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SuperintententChaos
Joe Biden has already said he won’t enforce the ban law on tik tok, going to leave it to Donald T to make the decision.
Ricter1439
Most of my TikTok use was finding and watching content creators that helped with VA disability claims. They helped to navigate through C&P exams, ratings, claims, higher level reviews, and paperwork. It'll take time to find that kind of help again. I also followed a lot of animal rescue shelters and, oddly, libraries. Gonna miss it.
Iblamemyparentstoo
I'm not advocating for tiktok here but trump did invite Xi Jinping to his inauguration, the threat from China is coming from inside the house
Hereagain
Yeah, this isn't a blow to free speech or anything.
DoakMD
I did use it and found it a far more positive place than Instagram or Facebook or twitter. I'd gladly see all social media shut down.
simonwentbananas
Tiktok is brain rot designed to rewire your neural synapses to become addicted to small snapshots of baseless content, now I'm gonna stop to the next image
Sulexar
You use imgur and I bet you use youtube.
frenofafren
YT is better than TV.
Sulexar
And when did we start talking about tv?
frenofafren
see my post above.
DeeplyBroken
The USA continually way overreacts to trivial threats, while blissfully ignoring real threats as it plows its ignorant course back into the past. Some of what I'm referring to is, the PATRIOT act weakened us as a nation, immigrants are an asset, and if any security agencies are doing anything about Russian cybertrolls, that's news to me. I suspect that it was largely Putin who got Trump elected.
PapaUbu
And nothing of value was lost
MyVerySmarterUserName
That comment there has actually not much value since it’s nothing more than a reductionist comment based on ignorance. And the irony is that probably moment later the commenter and upvoters swiped into a stolen TikTok post with or without knowing it, and enjoyed it.
OMGChris
Except for the notion that the US government couldn't control how people communicated with one another. That was lost and it's a big thing to lose. All 3 branches of government agreed that, in the name of "national security", they can stifle the 1st amendment as they see fit in a way that's never been approached before. So there's that. I'm sure nothing bad will come from that...
ImaThnake
Except this will be viewed as "evil Democrat suppression", and then Trump will swoop in and unban it and appear as the hero of TikTok to 170 million Americans. Not a great look for future elections
DriveByShitting
Which is funny considering Trump suggested the ban in his first term
Akurei00
And it had bipartisan support
ImaThnake
He goes back and forth depending on what makes him look more favorable at the time
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
If it does happen I am happy about the people who base their whole life on this being left in the dark
BramsonEldritch
Iirc it's happening tomorrow. Like it's actually officially been voted on and passed and tomorrow is the plug pull day.
Personally I never used it purely out of spite cause I hate that it tries to demand you make an account JUST to watch a video someone texts me a link to.
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
I have this strange feeling it will be back, shut down tomorrow but then somehow is magicall back unless it was the plan to get people on the Chinese one....even more of a security risk but pople want their dumb fucking videos
M34665
considering it was basically vine 2.0 it will be back in a different form, just hopefully not with so much CCP involvement
MyVerySmarterUserName
Let me get this straight, you are happy to see people loose their lively hood because you don’t like tiktok ?
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
When you use loose instead of lose? They will just swap to something else because idiots keep watching the shit
MyVerySmarterUserName
You pointed out that I am non native speaker and made a mistake. Have a cookie. “They will just switch to something else”… shows you clearly don’t know much and make reductionnist blanket statements in ignorance to feel good. But maybe your spelling is better than mine. Keep it up.
OMGChris
"I like it when people suffer just because I don't like or understand those people"
g9hvyb4cfj0
Considering who wants it banned vs who doesn't this isn't the flex you think it is.
g9hvyb4cfj0
For example 'This is AIPAC at work': Landmark TikTok vote in U.S. House provokes conspiracy theory https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-14/ty-article/.premium/this-is-aipac-at-work-landmark-tiktok-vote-in-u-s-house-provokes-conspiracy-theory/0000018e-3dd0-d9ae-ad9f-3dd44d100000?utm_source=App_Share&utm_medium=iOS_Native
g9hvyb4cfj0
Did not realize there were so many aipac supporters on imgur
theomni
I think, when looking back at history, this is going to be a much bigger deal when discussing this nation's descent into authoritarianism. Probably in context with the genocide in Palestine, since reporting on that was a major contributing factor to the ban of TikTok.
CALAMITEES
Same here, I hated it even more when a friend would share a TikTok video with me and sometimes it would FORCE ME to the Play Store to install the app just to view the stupid video, instant Nope.
There were times when I could view them in the browser but not always.
I'll never view content if I'm forced into downloading an app though lol.
AranaDiscoteca
Mostly it's the "get off my lawn" kind of socially out of touch side of imgur. The same group that was like "lol what was Twitter good for anyways" because they weren't far enough out of their own personal bubble to remember, say, people publicly sharing protest information or filming women before they vanished so we knew who they were in Iran or Brazil. People who say 'lol TikTok dumb influencer' are just saying 'im so out of touch' in different syllables.
valkrez
I loved TikTok. Learned a lot. Saw a lot of dogs.
drhobotron
The real danger here is that the Supreme Court has just approved of the notion that the government can shut down any social media site that isn't controlled by one of the administration-friendly oligarchies on nebulous grounds of "national security." If you think they're going to stop at Tiktok you're deluding yourself.
gablestout
Only apps owned by companies listed as "foreign adversaries" under the RESTRICT Act. Which is currently: China, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and Russia.
knexusatx
I've been hooked on enough drugs to recognize digital ones. Stay away from that shit
Sulexar
And yet you think imgur is the slightest bit different.
ARrocks
Subtilico
Well, I clicked on a tiktok link once or twice, but there I never saw something that made me keep scrolling.
fallswinkingtothefloor
Oh no, the Chinese government can't harvest my personal data any more. Is life really worth living???
noctynight
Anyone else concerned on how TikTok has become like crack for some people? Like I wouldn't expect this level of outrage if imgur was shutting down
Llama1129
I mean whether or not you used it, TikTok shop was a really big source of revenue for small businesses. Keith Lee and other food reviewers shed a lot of light on underperforming businesses as well. Their reason for banking TikTok applies to like 90% of social media.
OMGChris
The people HERE would be outraged though. There wouldn't be as much outrage because of the sheer number of users comparison. Fewer people use imgur therefore it'd make a smaller splash. If the government decided to shut down, I don't know, Taco Bell, you'd hear a LOT about it. If the government decided to shut down a small mom and pop restaurant, you would barely hear a whisper. But I guarantee that people would still be outraged.
applesforjuice
I wouldn't give a shit if imgur was banned honestly
attackOFwaffle
Then just leave. Seeing as you don’t care about our community.
OMGChris
That's fine and your prerogative. It just doesn't mean there'd be no outrage from other people 🤷♀️
applesforjuice
I think being outraged about a social media site being shut down indicates priorities that I'm not interested in. I was alive when MySpace collapsed, I had a Facebook until 10 years ago. I don't have any social media site that is so tied to my life or identity that I'd care at all if it disappeared
OMGChris
Right, and I agree with you. I'm just addressing the original comment about how much outrage there was about TikTok versus how much outrage there would be if imgur shut down. I'm not talking about your preferences specifically. Just about how much louder the outrage would be based on the overall number of users
Slayage
Why are we celebrating censorship?
gablestout
It has nothing to do with censorship. It has everything to do with the ability of the app to use permissions YOU granted it to access your phone's camera, mic, storage, contact list, messages, and that the app is owned by a corporation connected to the government of a known adversary. It's a national security risk, and security experts (both government and private) have been saying that for YEARS.
stinkyweaselt33ts
I just think it’s the correct move to ban this app that gives crazy amounts of data to the Chinese government. The Chinese government is not a benevolent entity. Far from it.
Slayage
The US, Google, Meta, X are benevolent entities?
stinkyweaselt33ts
This argument is false dichotomy. No, the USA, google, meta, x are not benevolent entities. I never claimed that they were. I believe the Chinese government is worse, more malevolent than all of those entities.
Slayage
I could argue Meta and X are worse than TikTok because they censored pro Palestina voices. As opposed to TikTok. Banning TikTok is just part of a wider economic war against China and has little to do with "scheming Chinaman".
MyVerySmarterUserName
Why worry about your own government actively building an oligarchy, removing fact checking, and going full fascist, when you can worry about the -potential- long term effect of data collection by an app, if it’s gets used by the ccp. No proof as of yet has been found, and that was admitted by the us government. Also China pushed propaganda on every single platform.
stinkyweaselt33ts
Again, this is a false dichotomy. I never claimed that I am not against the bad things done by the USA government. 2 things can be bad at the same time, correct? Where did this narrative come from that tictok doesn’t give data to the Chinese government? Please site some sources.
tinytyrant
but like politics even if you don't pay attention (or vote) it still impacts your world. but yeah, good riddance.
Subtilico
Yeah SM controlled by American Totalitarianism is sooo much beter than the ones controlled by Chinese Totalitarianism.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
... for 'Americans' it is 🤷♂️
tinytyrant
well... i wasn't making a relative judgement between different SM, i was just trying to point out non-participants of this one (and I guess any) are impacted in some way.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
Hardly. I hope Australia bans it too.
tinytyrant
i'm not suggesting it has the same level or size of impact as politics and it may only manifest as a superfiicial change in behaviour... but ignoring or not being exposed to it won't mean you'll have zero touch points via those who do not.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
It can. None of my family or friends use it 🤷♂️
M34665
"Australia
Australia banned TikTok from all federal government-owned devices in 2023 after seeking advice from intelligence and security agencies. The directive in April said officials had determined that “the installation of the TikTok application on government devices poses a significant protective security risk.”
In November, the Australian Parliament passed a law that banned the use of social media for children under 16 that included TikTok, as well as other platforms."
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
And there shouldn't be any apps on federally owned phones.
M34665
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/01/17/countries-banned-tiktok/
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
Children and government....
'banned' 😁
M34665
it's a start at least
necessity
Americans getting real excited about censorship lately. Swell. Love that for us.....
Stormycakes
I only use TikTok for crochet tutorials BUT it’s important to recognize that our govt. is not just threatening to ban TikTok, they’re threatening to ban it UNLESS the owners sell off their company (or maybe just the part that operates in the US?) to a US citizen. Think about it- the one major social media outlet not completely run by Republican clowns. Who do you think is expecting to get to buy it? They’re trying to create a social media monopoly.
didgeboy287
Crochet tutorials? But I thought TikTok was 6 teenagers doing cringe dances.
rd77Runner
now do same for all social media platforms who are scraping unrelared personal data and tracking their users... Remember, if it is free, you are the product.
attackOFwaffle
Um… Imgur? The social media site you’re using?
rd77Runner
This too. I have no illusion about it.
WhyDoThis
You could have stopped at "now do same fornallnsocial media." They all collect the dame crap. They all add to the brain rot. I like imgur, but if the Government was using the same logic for all social media apps, they'd all be gone... except meta because that's the only approved one, being theuly were spearheading the anti-tiktok
frenofafren
Has it gone dark yet?
SirGalahadKnight
It did last night at 10:30 Eastern
M34665
I believe it does on Sunday (1/19)
Jayboots
Same. Never had the desire.
VonBallsHausen
Usersub needs to be ready, cuz I’m certain that new Imgur staff is planning to catch as much of those users as they can.
ArmathyAndTheUnfinishedBusiness2
I feel you. It just seems like a brain rot app.
fishmaceins
The opposite actually... I was actively repelled by almost everything I ever saw from it. And even more so by the people on public transportation endlessly watching 3 second videos without headphones.
TuckerTheGuy
It's banned in India. Never used it.
yesdearmetoo
McBzz
BelialDenial
When they came for the communists I didn't say anything because I was not a communist...
batt3ryac1d17
It's probably for the best you didn't it's very good at showing you exactly what you like watching it can be really addicting.
Iwouldbenick
Check out what the app requires access to in the app store. Absolutely everything. Same reason i don't have Instagram. I also only use imgur for social media so what the fuck do i know.
Gas0
what happen?
Dedmunkey
First I've heard also.
t9dawg
They are giving Tiktok to MAGA.
Many people fail to understand this and just think TIktok is getting banned.
Biden gave the final say to Trump
KaJuN
Someone set up us the bomb.
mikeymikec
The US government set tiktok up the bomb.
Foxplay
Good
hyptosis
CommentProvider
Its an old meme but it checks out, sir
SneakyGaryTheSerialHorseDrowner
WHAT YOU SAY?
QuantumSpaceTacoGuitarist
Schwiggity Schuave
bankshotmcg
All your database are belong to U.S.
NeoAcario
Main screen turn on
HeadJamistan
IT'S YOU!
imemewhatimeme
How are you gentlemen? All your base are belong to us.
astralfields
You are on the way to destruction make your time
ElbowDeepInAMoose
We get signal
necessity
The ADA and Aipac recipients worked tirelessly to suppress leftist and anti-genocidal voices via banning tiktok under the guise of data security.
zenoshogun
You mispelt pro-genocidal, its unfortunate that many leftists have been conned into that agenda though.
clonedeeznuts
Corruption and billionaires wanting to control what platform you go on
TopBananna999
Check out a news organization once in a while, lol! https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/17/tech/tiktok-getting-banned-trump-biden/index.html
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Hey bud do you have room under that rock? I'd like to hang out under there too. This is all too much lately.
Chionati
Maybe they are from any other country besides the US?
stickywiggit
That's a great rock.
Santorrr
Trust me, US news gets everywhere even if we don't want it.
TheMershedPerderder
Sorry.
unannouncedguest
I too have no clue what is going on anymore... But I no longer have the desire to know
77thtimesthecharm
Based
newsguycraigevans
Here you go
dootdootfloop
You all use it when a large % or your consumed content is from there. Get off your high horse
itdoesntmatternoneofthismatters
Imgur is 30% tiktok, 30% instagram, 30% twitter, 9% tumblr, and 1% cosplay cleavage.
candar
I'd carve a reasonable percentage out for cartoon horse smut but youre basically correct
itdoesntmatternoneofthismatters
Touché.
candar
yuuup. content quality on here is about to tank for a while. I was here for vine, i remember how it goes.
walkingonmoonbeams
I’m concerned about the implications of TikTok being banned. The representatives that voted to ban all have stock in Meta. Thousands of small business owners and creators losing their source of income. And I know many of you weren’t on there but I actually found a great international community where we shared news, culture, recipes, skills, books, etc. it’s a source of media that the government couldn’t control and they wanted to censor it…that should be concerning to everyone…
BellsTheorem
I'm concerned about a hostile foreign government influencing our children through an addictive media.
TheMostModestMouse
"government couldn't control" hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha *inhale* ahahahahhahahahahaha wait... This wasn't a sarcastic remark?! Your kidding right?! I can see your other points. But it was quite literally. A fucking spyware app for a government. Piss on it's grave and move to another app. But this time, be more careful where you give your data away. It's almost like nearly ALL social media sights are after the same thing. YOU AND YOUR DATA. Youre the product. It's selling you. /Endrant
rbudrick
Its all those nice things on its face, but its main intention on the backend is CCP spyware. So, I really dgaf about all those other things.
GeekDadKevin
This is testing the waters to see what Americans will put up with. It looks like just about anything they put this 'China' label on. Politicians do not care about national security - classified documents cases have proven that.
Souhiro
as far as I know, business owners don't lose their source of income, as the business still exist. They can migrate to Instagram, or whatever they want. In fact, it would be wise to have a Linktree!
walkingonmoonbeams
It truly depends on the business. Some businesses sold products directly through the TikTok app (TikTok shop), while others may have earned additional income through social media engagement. But at minimum they’re losing a free marketing tool, which can impact the reach & growth of small businesses
DriveByShitting
There are a lot of foreign troll farms making posts on Imgur, as well as the replies supporting this take
CoqRoq
Just like there is a ton of foreign trolls fighting the ban and telling people to download the Chinese version of meta. It works both ways.
ObliviousPrime
You raise some completely valid points and I appreciate you sharing them. The only problem is, the app is a Chinese spy device, and a very good one at that. Source: I received multiple classified briefings while in the military.
attackOFwaffle
I can’t tell if this is trolling or not but the “trust me bro” source has seriously been used so much to condemn tik tok
jasondeslin
Source: nah, sorry, classified. /eyeroll
I might be concerned about tictok if literally every person warning about how dangerous it was didn't pull the same shit. You all either list a bunch of shit that ever other free app also does, or say how the government said it's bad, but won't say why.
And then you act like it's dangerous because it's Chinese, as if the US government isn't more fascist, and a greater threat to Americans than China could be.
Its competitors paid to have it banned.
walkingonmoonbeams
I truly appreciate your respectful response & experiences.
Tyrann01
Yeah sadly people were using it to spread nazi stuff to teenagers. So frankly I am glad it's gone.
Oh, and meta & twitter should go too.
walkingonmoonbeams
I hear you, but I see that on every app. That is part of a bigger conversation involving media literacy and parental supervision. It’s not isolated to TikTok. Now most speaking anecdotally, I never came across that type of content, so the end-user experience is very different for everyone.
darthnerdus6236
I am sure banning Huawei had everything to do with security and nothing to do with Apple's market loses...
CatEyebrows
Same. I use to be a hater but I’ve found 4 of my favorite gaming streamers on that site. And a bunch of other creative, smart people. I have been pleasantly surprised. I know china is foraging all my data but don’t all countries/goverments do the same exact thing? I think elno and zucky don’t like the competition.
pareidoliaperson
Yeah IDK why American imgurians hate it so much but god are they susceptible to propaganda.
TheMostModestMouse
Cus it's spyware?! And honestly I'd celebrate the burning of any social media site. You want media that can't be controlled (as easily), support places like Wikipedia and NPR.
TeachingClayGuy
100% agree. It's not that people are losing a place to watch silly videos, it's that those in power are making legislation based on thier financial interests. What's to stop them from banning any app or tech that they don't benefit from in the name of security. Wouldn't surprise me if we see arguments that non-american owned smartphones are a security risk in the future.
ToSisPoS
Unless they are generous in their lobbying.
rbudrick
Lets not pretend it's not also a foreign, brutally oppressive government's spyware as well, which really trumps any other reasoning.
TeachingClayGuy
Both are true, and both aspects should be addressed. My concern is that bans will continue in the name of security, whether the security issues are legitimate or not. It's a dangerous and fine line.
rbudrick
Look, mr 2344 points, you sound like a nazi saying, "but just hear me out" and I am 100% positive you are a member of a chinese troll farm meant to influence opinions.
ComradeBinch
Agreed! Just because it isnt something we partake in, its a free speech issue as well as after running the numbers, its been discovered millions will be lost by US businesses as a result. Its never as simple as "for the peoples protection" unless youre maybe lina khan. US govt basically shot themselves in the foot with this one.
ifixlasers42
Are you saying politicians can’t be trusted to do what’s right without a financial incentive for themselves? Well you don’t say.
TheThunderbirdRising
You also shared enough misinformation and harassment to create a new boom of conservatism in the younger generations. I don't have single ounce of sympathy for anyone who used that damn app. You know where else you can find news and culture from around the world? Literally everywhere else on the internet. So get over it.
itwasababyox
walkingonmoonbeams
I hear you, and to be honest with the TikTok algorithm I never encountered that type of content. There is certainly an issue with the red pill pipeline particularly for young men, but that is not isolated TikTok. That’s been a progression that has long preceded TikTok and will continue to be an issue once the app is gone. However, is that an issue of media or is that an issue of media literacy and lack of consumer regulations? It’s an important conversation to have.
MyVerySmarterUserName
The amount of disinformation shared is similar accross all major platforms. Tiktok isn’t special.
TheThunderbirdRising
And I wouldn't shed a tear if we got rid of all other major social media platforms as well
MyVerySmarterUserName
I’m getting some strong Goebbels vibe at this point. I know America is going full on fascist atm, but you may want to pause and rethink things through, just sounds like a childish reductionist form of expressing outrage. You do know social media is not only for politics and misinformation ? You do know that imgur isn’t special when it comes to propaganda ?.. sigh..
TheBigBadBonerBiter
More generally, it's also what helped ADHD fuckfest short form content to become so damn popular. It's like they took the worst aspects of Vine and cranked them to 11. I for one won't miss if it actually does go away.
Rabenstein
Wow. You must be fun at parties...
MrBill1
"I don't like something so no one else should like it or see it" ftfy
israelarenazis
Every person addicted to that app I ever knew has been a flat earther and/or crystal enthusiast, most of them were either transphobic or very uncertain about the topic, and every single one has been a COVID denier. Good fucking riddance indeed. Unfortunately Rednote seems to be creating a new wave of Tankie propaganda
jasondeslin
Yeah, it blows my mind that the same people that see and understand how fascist our government is acting on literally every other issue seem to suddenly trust it completely when it says tictok is a threat... Without showing any evidence as to why. Yes, it collects data, if the app or service is free you aren't the customer, you're the product. That's true for every free app. Sure it collects more data than most apps, but it's nowhere near as invasive as meta products, especially messenger.
ucandcantunc
The solution is to ban Meta as well.
walkingonmoonbeams
What time is free information, social media platform would you condone? How far should the government take the bans on social media?
ucandcantunc
I'd say free speech ends once you're spreading misinformation with total disregard .
CatEyebrows
Yes. 100%
DrWhy9
Honestly it should have been banned far earlier, it's not like its horrific data collection capability nor the fact that the ccp has direct access to ByteDance servers is a new development. Waiting till people start becoming financially dependent on the service was very stupid. There may have been other motivations to ban than just the security risk, could very well be, but frankly there is a huge security risk with the app that's a fact.
CoinedWatcher
Data collection capability? Where do you think that phone you used to view tiktok was made? If Israel can hide explosives in pagers, imagine the "capability" of the ccp to hide tracking devices in every phone
DrWhy9
Chips taiwan, plastic china, assembled Korea, operating system USA with some parts in Europe, though that is moot since I installed a new one, and I don't view tiktok. You know there is a difference between hardware and software right?
An explosive that can be build into a battery and a basically separate device that would need to be ably to send and record data are two very different things, so no, no big phone manufactures have a hidden chinese tracker in them.
CoinedWatcher
You have no clue about tech if you think they can't hide something to collect data on your phone that is smaller than you can see. The phone already tracks everything because people love the convience. Banning tiktok for surveillance reasons is idiotic, and not the point behind the ban at all.
No I don't think there are Chinese trackers in every phone, but your a fucking moron if you think banning tiktok will stop ccp spying on US citizens
DrWhy9
you'd need something that can run a separate OS capable of decoding the ram code in real time, since they wouldn't be able to control which operating system gets put on there and it would be obvious to anyone checking the OST. Then either piggyback off on your transitions which would require a hardware connection and show up on your data plan to or actually have a separate receiver which has unlimited free data. All in a from that is too small to see..... 1/
Nagodreth
Government agencies and private businesses have enforced TikTok bans on company hardware for years, it hasn't come entirely out of the blue. Issuing burner phones and laptops to employees travelling to China for business isn't uncommon specifically because it's a country notorious for IP theft and spyware.
walkingonmoonbeams
Facebook, IG, Google, DoorDash, Airbnb all collect more data than TikTok. Data collection is a huge issue, but let’s not fool ourselves into thinking that’s why TikTok is being banned
DrWhy9
If you think that US companies pose as much of a security threat as china, a nation the US very well be at war with in the future, to the US you are deluded. As for collecting more data maybe Facebook and google do, but I wouldn't be so sure, tiktok has keystroke recording capability and behaves weirdly when inspected. I am not saying there shouldn't be better privacy laws, but that's no reason to install chinese malware
ExquisiteConundrum
Tiktok was invested in by American venture capitalists. Tiktoks offices were in altadena California. Employing Americans. The servers for tt were located in Texas. I'm so fucking tired of this narrative. You can dislike tt for what ever reason, but you're entirely wrong if you think it's about data or the chinese. It's because it wasn't controlled media. And I got to watch the IDF throw Palestinian kids off of buildings and shoot people in the head for funsies. And so much more.
DrWhy9
You think data can only be on one server and cannot not be accessed from another country? Besides it's not what they were collecting, though if they wanted to collect from specific users that would have been hard to track, it's what they could do when the ccp asks them too. I never used tiktok outside of testing, and I've seen those too, frankly tiktok has just as much disinformation on it as youtube, neither are good sources of information.
walkingonmoonbeams
I’ve not seen any conclusive evidence that China has access to this data. Not to the extent that we should ban an information sharing app on the eve of trumps terrifying presidency. I absolutely believe US companies pose a huge security threat. We are their product and susceptible to propaganda. Did you hear that meta will be doing away with fact checking? The misinformation on twitter & meta is truly dangerous. Zuckerberg was the biggest lobbiest for the TikTok ban. Ask yourself why?
DrWhy9
TikTok owns the servers, they have admin privileges, bytedance owns TikTok they also have admin privileges, China can demand all data from bytedance.... it's not hard to understand. Oh Meta is bad and a danger the US democracy, as all social media is (it's not like tiktok was free of misinformation), but Mark isn't threatening to conquer a US Ally who is a vital economic trading partner.
letsloveeachother
Censorship apologists: I didn't use it or liked it, so I'm okay with my government blocking it. Of course in the future my government will never block a service I use like Imgur, right?
wallaceofspades
First they came for vine and I said nothing...
77thtimesthecharm
Slippery Slope ???? What's that ???? never heard of her
TheMostModestMouse
It's spyware and should burn. So should other spyware programs. Let it burn. Piss on it's grave. And move on.
Vegicoon
All social media is Spyware.
YouJustCommittedOneOrMoreFallacies
I don't care as much about the government side of things, but I am happy to see any social media platform fall. They are all brainrot and terrible for kids.
theaterscout
So by your saying, this app should be banned as well correct? I'm not intending to attack but pointing out the hypocrisy of saying this while on a social media platform.
YouJustCommittedOneOrMoreFallacies
This site is definitely brain rot and addicting too, but at least it's not built around profiles. No one knows who anyone is, there's no pictures of myself or any way for anyone to identify me, so the "social" side is massively downplayed. It's not built around projecting your real life onto the internet the way Instagram or Facebook are, so I think it has much less connection to people's feelings of self worth, so IMO it's not AS bad as others.
mezzidriel
People really are that stupid.
Kreviathan
For some reason people are trying to be divisive on the thing, but we shouldn't.
Tiktok was bad because of data tracking. Ban was bad because the motive was bad (Meta basically paid them to remove a competitor) and opens the door for authoritarian practice. But on the other hand we need harder regulations on these companies because EVERYBODY steals your data and sells it or passes it off to foreign powers.
Foxplay
Shows how stupid ppl are trying to defend spyware for the CCP. Its a good thing its banned ppl are dumb as fuck risking their privacy for stupid short form videos of ppl chasing fake internet fame
digiorno88
If you want to stop China from collecting data, go after China, not the American people
mezzidriel
Tiktok didn't track any more data than our locally owned social media platforms.
idownvoteplottwist
locally owned is the point
mezzidriel
You trust our billionaires to do good things with that data? Oh, to be on the drugs you must be on...
idownvoteplottwist
you're putting a lot of words in my mouth. "locally owned" was their argument
nizbit
No because people gave it for free and willingly to social media.
mezzidriel
They gave it to TikTok too