Facebook started out as a way for Nark Fuckerburg and his college cronies to keep tabs on classmates they thought were hot. It's always been a data gathering site. Now it's a data collection company and it will never not be a data collection company. Why do people keep trusting these Facebook apps? I wouldn't trust a Facebook app to track my bowel movements let alone periods.
The apps are getting spidery and talking to each other through the advertising bs
You used to be able to control who got what email and which data, anymore it's a free for all with some scammers info thrown in so shortly all data with be presumed bad
Sadly, any penalty (if there ever is one) will be pennies against the profit they made. And the people they committed the crime against will each get maybe the price of a meal out of it.
Dear Republicans: Leave women's private data and reproductive rights alone. Leave LGBTQ people alone. Live your life by your little 2000+ year old book of fairy tales if you wish.
I’ve downloaded the Flo app and have been entering erroneous data for the past few months. I’m a dude. I encourage every man do the same to help protect the women in your life.
As a man and a data scientist good idea. Make sure to add some but not too much randomness to throw off their machine learning models. Otherwise they will use something like IsolationForest to detect anomalous data and throw out fake inputs.
Take facebook and instant messengers apps off your phone and only look at that shit on an encryptted browser or using an extension like ghostery. Oh and Meta is trying to use AI to talk to children in overly sexualized and inappropriate ways...so we can see where tracking little girls' menstural cycles and hypersexualizing them go hand in hand. FFS
Any app that says they keep your data private are lying. There isn't a single app or website of any kind that keeps your data private. And all should be so heavily fined that they go out of business, and the money that they are fined should be redistributed back to us, the people they stole the data from. Any company using any bit of our data to make money should automatically give us a % of the money they make from doing so. Stealing our data for profit is digital slavery.
I've actually been working on a free one that does aim to keep data private by storing it only on the user's device - it never gets sent to servers. It's open source and easy enough to run an offline version if you wish. Not sure if I'm allowed to share the link here but, if you'd be willing, I'd really value any feedback - you have the exact same concerns that I had when I started building it.
I would build apps/sites that keep your data private, only problem with that is the second you need to scale, it's game over because ain't nobody paying for a subscription (and I can say that from previous experiences), so it either stays a hobby project, or you get outside investors at which point you've just started your way down the slippery slope of enshittification.
It's been known for a while, if not confirmed to this scale. For over a year now I've had Flo installed as a single, adult cis male with no periods or pregnancies, along with other users out there, to throw chaff into the system and try to protect the data of the women who still do use this app by spewing out nonsense into the system. I hope it works.
The easiest way for guys to do this, is to log when they feel like watching a "chick flick" or doing something "soft" (you might notice a pattern this way that can be helpful to you in making plans)
You can also just pick a monthly moon phase and sort of mimic it with the calendar, start or end it a few days before or after the half, quarter, full or new moon, but remain pretty consistent to that phase, unless you're over 35
Or a reminder system for something you are supposed to do monthly (like refill meds or visit a friend). Months when you run behind you log it as a “late” month.
Every time someone tells you they won't use your data, they're going to use your data. Every time. Just like those commercials that tell you you're private communications are private.
My job involves access to data, mostly contact info. I protect that information like it's my own. I always get vendors who just want me to hand them user data unfettered and every time I shoot them down. Their "special software" should be usable without a 3rd party getting access to the data I have. I wrote the digital privacy policy and revised it with legal. I'm going to stay true to my word because I've seen the data I can buy from brokers.
The problem is that nonsense data is easy to screen. If it never follows any pattern, that's the kind of thing that AI is pretty decent at flagging as noise.
A better approach would be to submit patterns that suggest abortions to throw false positives into the data.
I have unfortunately looked into it so it's not 100% nonsense. I do my best to emulate a regular and serious user of the app, that sometimes forgets to use it to track (or chooses not to). It's not going to be 100% effective, and without seeing their exact metrics for abusing it all I can't ever guarantee it will be, but I've put in some work to make sure it's hopefully not that easy to skim.
Eh, I appreciate, but who knows how effective it will be. The important part is getting a lot of people involved, or having someone with knowledge and competency to make a new app that isn't pissing data straight into the government.
I'm picturing the larger scale version of that: you're just out and about walking down the street, and get a push notification every time you pass by someone you're synced with.
Is anybody REALLY surprised by this? I said this would happen, when I learned of this app (and similar ones). When SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, the AG of Texas (Ken Paxton) even talked about requiring the companies that make these apps to provide the data to the state, so he could keep track of who's pregnant, to make sure those women don't have abortions.
Don't EVER put personal information into apps, especially if they can access the internet.
All those mobile apps are made for collecting data about you, to learn your habits and your routines. Don't make it easier for them, by voluntarily *giving* them data that makes it easier for them to profile you.
It's wild when people point to dystopian fiction like "OMG they predicted this!" No, they described current conditions and in some cases went on to elaborate on what the natural consequences of those would be.
Yeah I think it was Jon Stewart who a few months back was telling people not to compare the gov't to fascism or it would be a "boy who cried wolf" scenario. My friend was firmly on his side. I said "fuck no, this is fascism and we just haven't hit the part where people are disappearing". I hate that I was on the right side of the argument.
That would only work if the author of The Torment Nexus saw what TechCorp was doing and what it wanted to do and then wrote about how The Torment Nexus was the inevitable conclusion.
Its the same thing. Nazis are Christian Nationalists. Their entire cult of personality and incompetent hatred is founded wholesale in Christian Nationalism.
I disagree, but I'm not here to have a pedantic argument. If you have nothing to say other than complain about my choice of words on a casual forum, find something better to do.
Nazis are Christian Nationalists. The first treaty the Nazis ever made was with the Vatican. Their entire ideology revolves around the exact same tenants and superstitions that christian nationalism does. The term for Christian Nationalist is, and will always be, Nazi.
Ive been using one nust to fuck with their system after Texas started their crap about prosecuting women who go to another state for abortion. But im a guy ...
Its sad that our instinct is to hide it. But the only reason i even note it is because im not regular and when i go to the doctor for a cut thumb or a cough, and they want to know when my last cycle was... i need help. Lol
Doesnt matter. Its a standard question regarless of emergency. Just like saying there is no chance im pregnant seconds after discussing my tubes being tied for many years. Like IT support - there is a script they follow.
Can I get it to fill it up with false info. The first part being that I'm a woman with a uterus. Or would that be weird since I'm actually a 46 yo fat guy?
joedirt4242
What a surprise. I am shocked as well. Don't forget dumbfounded.
chrismsanders
OK, Now put the owner in jail!
BRDstheWord
Facebook started out as a way for Nark Fuckerburg and his college cronies to keep tabs on classmates they thought were hot. It's always been a data gathering site. Now it's a data collection company and it will never not be a data collection company. Why do people keep trusting these Facebook apps? I wouldn't trust a Facebook app to track my bowel movements let alone periods.
bertchstudio
The apps are getting spidery and talking to each other through the advertising bs
You used to be able to control who got what email and which data, anymore it's a free for all with some scammers info thrown in so shortly all data with be presumed bad
thornedrose27
We were warning women not to use this for last few years. No surprise that this private information is being mined for the governments use.
jursamaj
Sadly, any penalty (if there ever is one) will be pennies against the profit they made. And the people they committed the crime against will each get maybe the price of a meal out of it.
ParryLost
One of the downright CREEPIEST examples of privacy violation I've heard about, too...
PrinceMaxx7
Dear Republicans: Leave women's private data and reproductive rights alone.
Leave LGBTQ people alone.
Live your life by your little 2000+ year old book of fairy tales if you wish.
Fuck off out of other people's lives.
Sonicschilidogs
Part of that book tells them that they can't leave other people alone though, they gotta meddle and save some souls and stuff
smallteam
>>https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/07/jury-rules-meta-violated-law-in-period-tracking-app-data-case.html

https://www.labaton.com/cases/frasco-v-flo-health-inc
https://www.hipaajournal.com/jury-trial-meta-flo-health-consumer-privacy/
ignotoCiResto
and now rejoice! both whatsapp and instagram ARE owned by meta, just like facebook.
Now it start a new game: "Guess who mined your data!"
canigetofftheworldplease
How is anyone surprised? Why do people keep using facebook and related junk is incomprehensible to me
RealTurdFerguson
META’s appeal is a thinly veiled attempted to throw money at this in an effort to set precedent and further erode our right to privacy.
Howlingowl
I’ve downloaded the Flo app and have been entering erroneous data for the past few months. I’m a dude. I encourage every man do the same to help protect the women in your life.
shepahrdjhon
As a man and a data scientist good idea. Make sure to add some but not too much randomness to throw off their machine learning models. Otherwise they will use something like IsolationForest to detect anomalous data and throw out fake inputs.
wannasee
Take facebook and instant messengers apps off your phone and only look at that shit on an encryptted browser or using an extension like ghostery. Oh and Meta is trying to use AI to talk to children in overly sexualized and inappropriate ways...so we can see where tracking little girls' menstural cycles and hypersexualizing them go hand in hand. FFS
thrashingcows
AlwaysDownvotesDogs
fuck. this. clown.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktokgossip/comments/13w7x0w/as_tizzyent_gets_media_attention_again_lets/
taez555
doonerpjenkins
Fuck man, I need to read this book. It's been on my list for so long but I feel like I already know the plot.
pnersvfu
.. because you're in it?
cgt9803
Mark Zuckerberg demands to know your period schedule.
billstranger
That wasn't sweet baby ray's bbq sauce on his shelf after all...
chipjack
Maybe he just wants his schedule clear so he can be there when you need a douche.
TalkingSnake
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L0rdinquisit0r
that was zuckbot v1. Its been replaced
TI99Kitty
Arasaka would like to know your location.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
Any app that says they keep your data private are lying. There isn't a single app or website of any kind that keeps your data private. And all should be so heavily fined that they go out of business, and the money that they are fined should be redistributed back to us, the people they stole the data from. Any company using any bit of our data to make money should automatically give us a % of the money they make from doing so. Stealing our data for profit is digital slavery.
smirghel
I've actually been working on a free one that does aim to keep data private by storing it only on the user's device - it never gets sent to servers. It's open source and easy enough to run an offline version if you wish. Not sure if I'm allowed to share the link here but, if you'd be willing, I'd really value any feedback - you have the exact same concerns that I had when I started building it.
perlninja
I would build apps/sites that keep your data private, only problem with that is the second you need to scale, it's game over because ain't nobody paying for a subscription (and I can say that from previous experiences), so it either stays a hobby project, or you get outside investors at which point you've just started your way down the slippery slope of enshittification.
TalkingSnake
HeraldOfTheBadger
Nyyyeehehhehehe that's the one I was feeding fake data to lol
JackWinchester
I actually remember women foretelling this. This is truly, the darkest timeline. RIP Harambe
levyathyn
It's been known for a while, if not confirmed to this scale. For over a year now I've had Flo installed as a single, adult cis male with no periods or pregnancies, along with other users out there, to throw chaff into the system and try to protect the data of the women who still do use this app by spewing out nonsense into the system. I hope it works.
JackieTreehornProductions
use it to track when to give your dogs their flea and tick medications
RenaissanceFaireMan
You should log a regular period then stop for 6 to 8 weeks. Rinse & repeat.
levyathyn
I basically do it that way, it's just sort of a "pick a regular period schedule when I remember to check the app again"
LitheXD
I'm almost tempted to get the app just for that.
bertchstudio
The easiest way for guys to do this, is to log when they feel like watching a "chick flick" or doing something "soft" (you might notice a pattern this way that can be helpful to you in making plans)
You can also just pick a monthly moon phase and sort of mimic it with the calendar, start or end it a few days before or after the half, quarter, full or new moon, but remain pretty consistent to that phase, unless you're over 35
frozenlake247
Or a reminder system for something you are supposed to do monthly (like refill meds or visit a friend). Months when you run behind you log it as a “late” month.
JoeT85
Every time someone tells you they won't use your data, they're going to use your data. Every time. Just like those commercials that tell you you're private communications are private.
AmZero85
My job involves access to data, mostly contact info. I protect that information like it's my own. I always get vendors who just want me to hand them user data unfettered and every time I shoot them down. Their "special software" should be usable without a 3rd party getting access to the data I have. I wrote the digital privacy policy and revised it with legal. I'm going to stay true to my word because I've seen the data I can buy from brokers.
drGrafenberg
What kind of shit-show do you work at? That crap would never fly in a proper professional environment.
AmZero85
Sales people love to talk a big game, and then the true colors come out when you tell them no.
drGrafenberg
Sad to hear, but I guess it’s not that uncommon.
MissSiesta
Fighting the good fight little by little. Good on you.
BishlamekGurpgork
The problem is that nonsense data is easy to screen. If it never follows any pattern, that's the kind of thing that AI is pretty decent at flagging as noise.
A better approach would be to submit patterns that suggest abortions to throw false positives into the data.
lospaturno
I appreciate, but as a data scientist I can tell you that this nonsense is pretty trivial to filter out, though...
levyathyn
I have unfortunately looked into it so it's not 100% nonsense. I do my best to emulate a regular and serious user of the app, that sometimes forgets to use it to track (or chooses not to). It's not going to be 100% effective, and without seeing their exact metrics for abusing it all I can't ever guarantee it will be, but I've put in some work to make sure it's hopefully not that easy to skim.
lospaturno
in that case, kudos to you, sir
levyathyn
Eh, I appreciate, but who knows how effective it will be. The important part is getting a lot of people involved, or having someone with knowledge and competency to make a new app that isn't pissing data straight into the government.
Like2Fox
Oh no, I wonder what will happen to them 🙄
wadatahmydamie
Ideally, Zuck meets his own personal Luigi
Like2Fox
Be the change you wish to see in the world
GravyEducation
Are you familiar with Kenan's SNL work?
ontarioOT
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trinxter
Little alert pops up: "you have synced with your roomies!"
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
I'm picturing the larger scale version of that: you're just out and about walking down the street, and get a push notification every time you pass by someone you're synced with.
SergeyPrkl
And... did they detain the leaders of the company and sent them to the gibbets?
IdiotSavantTinker
But if I don't use a period tracking app, how am I supposed to give bad data to assholes who want to control women?
landbaronness42
Yes men needs to download it and feed it bad data
yamamasyamaha
It amazes me that people use free apps and assign his isn’t happening
Anyone her thing Imgur isn’t selling your data?
TI99Kitty
Is anybody REALLY surprised by this? I said this would happen, when I learned of this app (and similar ones). When SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, the AG of Texas (Ken Paxton) even talked about requiring the companies that make these apps to provide the data to the state, so he could keep track of who's pregnant, to make sure those women don't have abortions.
Don't EVER put personal information into apps, especially if they can access the internet.
TI99Kitty
All those mobile apps are made for collecting data about you, to learn your habits and your routines. Don't make it easier for them, by voluntarily *giving* them data that makes it easier for them to profile you.
invaderjak
The handmaids tale isn't a how to guide, it's an expose. There is nothing in that book that NatCs weren't already planning to do.
bobthefunny
herrcane
That they haven't already *done*. The book is fiction but based on real things that have happened to real people.
invaderjak
I know it’s fictional, but everything in the book is literally from the plans of the literal nazis taking over the country
Ninjainslippers
It's wild when people point to dystopian fiction like "OMG they predicted this!" No, they described current conditions and in some cases went on to elaborate on what the natural consequences of those would be.
invaderjak
All while being told that they're overreacting or being unrealistic.
Ninjainslippers
Yeah I think it was Jon Stewart who a few months back was telling people not to compare the gov't to fascism or it would be a "boy who cried wolf" scenario. My friend was firmly on his side. I said "fuck no, this is fascism and we just haven't hit the part where people are disappearing". I hate that I was on the right side of the argument.
JodyBird
Something something Torment Nexus?
invaderjak
That would only work if the author of The Torment Nexus saw what TechCorp was doing and what it wanted to do and then wrote about how The Torment Nexus was the inevitable conclusion.
idiotsonfire
You can call Republicans Nazis like they actually are them. Because they are. Stop censoring yourself for them. They're all Nazis.
invaderjak
NatC is specifically referring to christian nationalists. I am not censoring myself.
idiotsonfire
Its the same thing. Nazis are Christian Nationalists. Their entire cult of personality and incompetent hatred is founded wholesale in Christian Nationalism.
invaderjak
I disagree, but I'm not here to have a pedantic argument. If you have nothing to say other than complain about my choice of words on a casual forum, find something better to do.
ElChupaNuggra
It does a wonderful job of describing how they are both, thank you for introducing me to this term. :)
idiotsonfire
Nazis are Christian Nationalists. The first treaty the Nazis ever made was with the Vatican. Their entire ideology revolves around the exact same tenants and superstitions that christian nationalism does. The term for Christian Nationalist is, and will always be, Nazi.
NonExistingWisper
One day I'll get an app to track my cycle but today is NOT the day!
ladylambi
Canadian here... I used to use Flo... it actually helped me track when to get pregnant. But I'm deleting it today! Wooowww fuck that noise
tirpider
What is a calendar? A miserable pile of secrets?
IndigoThursday
I used to use a spreadsheet
My mum drew red dots on the wall calendar
SquashDemon
Honestly, just use a calendar for now. Too many intensely shitty people are in charge of things right now.
CaptainYesterday
Ive been using one nust to fuck with their system after Texas started their crap about prosecuting women who go to another state for abortion. But im a guy ...
NonExistingWisper
Brilliant! Keep doing it!
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Just get a notebook or paper calendar and some fun stickers in shades of red or pink. Like little angry faces.
NonExistingWisper
Angry uteruses stickers would be great!
fedupwithhumanity
Yeah... the little red dots on my wall calendar are good enough still.
NonExistingWisper
Yeah that feels enough for me & getting yet another app, opening yet another account sounds too much of a faff to me..
fedupwithhumanity
Much simpler to add a little mark to something i look at every day vs remembering to go somewhere to track it. Im too old school.
ElusiveThing
There's just too many apps now.. Pen on paper is how I still do my notes and calendar entries. Glad I'm not alone in the resistance!
TalkingSnake
Is it bad that I feel like you should obfuscate it better?
fedupwithhumanity
Its sad that our instinct is to hide it. But the only reason i even note it is because im not regular and when i go to the doctor for a cut thumb or a cough, and they want to know when my last cycle was... i need help. Lol
TalkingSnake
… did you cut your finger on your cooch?
fedupwithhumanity
Doesnt matter. Its a standard question regarless of emergency. Just like saying there is no chance im pregnant seconds after discussing my tubes being tied for many years. Like IT support - there is a script they follow.
xj4low
Can I get it to fill it up with false info. The first part being that I'm a woman with a uterus. Or would that be weird since I'm actually a 46 yo fat guy?
NonExistingWisper
Please do it! That sounds like a lot of fun! (I love lying on pointless forms one has to fill in sometimes)
DeepThought42
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adiving
Make it semi believable or it'll no doubt be filtered.
PectorialMuscles
I did that for a while. It is a genuinely invasive app though. Constantly pushing for subscriptions and advertising shit. Rather annoying to use.
xj4low
Remember, if it doesn't cost anything to use/buy, then you are the product they are selling to make money. The only exception to this is VLC.
PectorialMuscles
VLC! VLC!
Ezzy666
Why not. I've never had a consistent cycle and forget to mark it in my calendar. I should download the app to add inconsistent data
xj4low
My wife is on birth control that has pretty much stopped her cycles. She use to get horrible cramps.