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hotaru251
honestly America best hope the "big one" doesnt happen in next 4 yrs becasue with who is in control now....we're all dead.
ShadeMeadowsArt
That virus just showed us how inept most of us are.
lurksalotcommentssome
Now can we see this side by side with the casualties after all these years?
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
Probably not. The numbers are very unreliable due to the general lack of tests in many parts of the world, and especially at the start of the pandemic.
NVGoddesscottage
More than a year yeah?
WoodHandle
US is yellow until Jan 20.
ChewyTheWookie
HypnagogicHallucinations
2024 post about the anniversary in 2022 of the 2021 tweet about the 2019 study
Harm
France definitely wasn't in the most prepared camp. Gov in place let strategic stocks of masks expire and rot away,leaving us to rush for scarce resupplies in stores,where prices skyrocketed.
MYBR549
I love the Trumptard crowd, that doesn't realize that Donald Trump was personally responsible for the US pandemics poor reaction time. When he came into office, he literally dissolved the unit within the National Security Council, the Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense, that was charged with preparing for a pandemic.
bubblesuit24601
We all just gonna ignore the fact that the graphic was like, "Aaaaaand fuck Greenland. Ok, print this, it's ready!"
sothisishowashitpostfeelslike
Sweden did complete shit. I'm still mad about that.
stonecoldstevebuschemi
I can understand places such as Ireland, Japan and Iceland, as they can harbour via the isolation of an island. But why Norway? Sweden, you would think would be in a similar situation.
aThingWithAKeyboard
Ahahahhahhahhahahhahahhaha. You kind of fucked that map eh
DreamPhreak
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
It was accurate when the Obama-era pandemic response team and -playbook were still around (unironic "thanks, Obama"). But Trump felt he had to tear down everything Obama had accomplished, and his deplorable base elected him for this very reason. Make sure to thank your closest deplorable in the near future. Preferably with a brick.
clamjuicecoctail
I think some areas are backwards. Africa has been in an epidemic for over the past 30 years and learned to survive. I don’t think American’s are anywhere near as ready as they think. If the problems that hit Africa and India on a daily basis affected American’s…… Wow. That will be a case study.
imakebuns
30 years ago my father (who was involved in the financial side of health care system where I live) said they have meetings to plan for epidemics. That it would likely come out of China. (Due to pop size and cultural practices regarding animals). That's right. The science KNEW decades ago that it would happen at some point. New govt and new policies changed the plans many many times but the message always existed. They thought they were prepared.. they were not
ChelVanin
The sad par is we were prepared. We just voluntarily chose not to implement the preparation.
varesya
We had the ability - the administration at the time voluntarily chose to not do it.
DukeDarkwood
The image text is wrong, though. It says these are the preparedness levels for 2019 - which is before the pandemic even started, trues, but... Trump dismissed the response task force in 2018. So we were prepared in 2018, right up to whatever day that happened, but after... nope!
muffleMagnet
Now he is coming back for a new wave of cuts in 25. This time, headed by musk; The idiot that actually fired software engineers on the basis of lines-of-code written.
DukeDarkwood
And he's in charge of "efficiency". I. Can not. Even.
jsexton
Able but not willing.
Mr21782Man
We really weren't prepared. What little preparation we had wasn't put to use but even that was woefully inadequate. The medial stockpiles that GW Bush had instituted after 9/11 had run low. The infrastructure to rapidly manufacture vaccines was never put into place. Emergency plans hadn't been created or updated in decades. The curves would have risen slower and not peaked as high but a truly prepped country would have had the emergency room capacity.
MYBR549
Our emergency room capacity would have been adequate, but for the no maskers demanding their right to get infected. They helped infect the people wearing mask, since mask wearing requires everyone possible to be masked to truly work.
Mr21782Man
You're talking about two different problems. A lack of masking was always going to make this worse. But I don't think you understand how completely overwhelmed and overflowing the emergency rooms were. From mid 2020 to around 2022ish there where the hospitals in my city repurposed many urgent care centers and doctors offices to handle Covid patients. And this was as a new medical center opened. Never forget the tent cities they built to house patients.
MYBR549
I don't forget the overwhelmed E.R.'s.and I stand by my statement. People's lack of personal responsibility took a potentially deadly disease and actualized it.
artrald
That is TERRIFYING. In 2019 the UK had a pandemic preparedness drill that went so badly the report was basically squashed.
hsalonen3000
As a Finn, we were not prepared. And Swedes, oh boy, they were anti-vaccine until last minute.
TheLastGreatAudit
I have to say, as an American, that Im so jealous of the idea that your beef is between "acted on it" and "acted on it slightly later."
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
Were we? I can't remember that. We were pretty anti banning people from being outside though.
Huor
And when the next pandemic strikes …
tomatoboy
No no…the preparation part isn’t wrong, those countries were all very well prepared for a new flu pandemic…two issues unrelated to prior preparation are what caused a failure. 1) it wasn’t the virus family we’d prepared for, we had expected a new dangerous flu variant. 2) people in leadership were morons and 1/3 to 1/2 of the population are also morons, leading to the pooch being screwed.
Zamm005
It wasn't stupidity or lack of intelligence/information that fucked us, it was capitalism.
When presented with two options, capitalism always takes the one that funnels wealth to the rich... You and I see it as a deadly pandemic, but the rich saw it as a fantastic cover and excuse for their puppets in govts to pump them a whole loada public funds
Or, they're just bimbling idiots that just HAPPEN to keep enriching themselves in the most efficient way possible? They're just so blessed! :D
AVeryLongFuseWithAVeryBigBangAtTheEnd
best prepared for only one scenario is hardly prepared at all
"our preparations were great, the people were the problem" has undertones of blame shifting
Dasnekones
There is also a difference between being prepared to deal with something and actually doing it. Preparations does not guarantee automatic success.
Navrodel
I mean, sure, a worse flu was what we thought was most likely, but we were also watching SARS variants pretty closely - there were two major outbreaks of if in the 21st century alone - the one in '02-'04 was also considered a pandemic, that's why Bush made the pandemic response team in the first place.
Then Obama strengthened it, so Trump's ego demanded it be dismantled. That's why the map is so wrong about the US preparation. Well, that and Trump further undermining the CDC...
Navrodel
...seriously, we had the foremost expert on infectious diseases as the head of our government disease control, and so many people would rather listen to the con man telling them they there wasn't a problem as the bodies overflowed the morgues, and the refrigerated trucks brought in... If he hadn't retired, I'd say we have to stop letting actors in power talk over Dr. Fauci...
PorneliusHubertII
Trump literally threw out Obamas preparedness playbook a year before covid hit.
InTangier
It's not just the population being dumb, this shit was manufactured. The American cultural megaphone at work once again.
Trump and other right-wing figures turning vaccination into a "personal liberty" issue, when it has been perceived as a matter of public health. This idea was exported everywhere else. Every crazy right wing fucker took advantage of the easy political capital and/or easy money.
varonicaED
Well fact is, you can actually be well prepared for anything, but still fuck it up because you are being led by stupid people who don't actually follow the plan.
Chaetre
allowing idiots to consume misinformation is in fact being unprepared.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Yeah, ability ≠ motivation. I could theoretically go outside and start training for a marathon this very moment, but good fucking luck actually getting me to do that.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Preparedness is not only about a part of procedures and rules, it should include also the awareness campaign on population
TheLastGreatAudit
To paraphrase the philosopher Dubbya: They misunderestimated us.
FishieStardust
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, can't get fooled again.
ElroydIsGone
Even worse was that painful 10-20 sec gap before the last part, while he uttered and struggled to find the end.
I guessed in my 'kitchen psychology' take, that he surely had been so terribly humiliated for every failure as child by his harsh conservative parents, that his brain went into a lockdown, when he'd have to say "shame on me".
TheLastGreatAudit
ffffennek
I find your "to 1/2" an underestimate judging be recent events.
idiotsonfire
1/5th. Out of 268m 18+ individuals in the US, 338m total, only 21% are Republican.
rebelPiClicker
Educating the population is part of preparation. It's like buying fire extinguishes everywhere, but only 1/2 knows how to use them while the other 1/2 is throwing them directly into fire.
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
So there were major factors that nobody took into account and prepared for? You don't say?
ExecutiveProducerWolfDyck
This is like saying you were prepared for the weather, but you assumed it was gonna be sunny.
JokenPo0079
Man, Greenland is fucked.
RuijiRiku
As long as the infection doesn't start in Greenland they're pretty much untouchable.
DYSBcero
Yea it’s hard sometimes to infect Greenland in Plague Inc
cunninglinguist85
I was living in Vietnam while watching Boris Johnson back home shaking hands with people in hospital, who later said let the bodies pile high. Meanwhile I was given free visa extensions and inoculations with a death rate about a 1/4 of my home country. Guy was clown.
TheLastGreatAudit
The UK has long been the US of Europe. Ever since they made that fascist clam Thatcher PM, tbf.
CarlBassett
On the other hand thanks directly to Boris the UK led the world in vaccine procurement and rollout. We were so far ahead of the rest of Europe that they threatened to sue us, demanding we give them our vaccines.
corylusavellana
It was a joke, and if you've returned since you will see that brits collectively said 'fuck em' to the dead and pretended like it never happened. When it comes back around the UK public is almost an unprepared as it was for covid 19.
Thewayofthebear
Nope.
Sorrontis
Taiwan is yellow. It's not part of China.
notacobra
Australia had a huge federal reserve of pandemic supplies in case of an epidemic or pandemic.
In the bushfires a few months before covid, a handful of members of the coalition went against the advice of the health department and released those masks to reduce smoke particle inhalation - they were not fit for such a purpose and the bureaucracy meant they weren't released in time anyway......
Then the pandemic hit and there were no masks in the country.
Good times.
kurvarVillain
My local hardware store had a pallet of those masks for the bushfires. They were on sales by Christmas, so I stocked up. Lucky buy, really
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
Scomo was so incompetent that Old Kevvy had to ring up Pfizer to get some shipments ordered. Kevin hasn't been in power since 2013, but businesses knew even he was more efficient than the man in charge.
RuijiRiku
2020 was a wild year; This, Kobe's Death, Beirut Explosion, US west coast wild fire, covid
KennyBlankenshipandVicRomano
Man, I’d forgotten about the fires. Among so much shit all going on at once, the sky being just this grey smudge, ash raining from the sky and making your eyes sting and your lungs irritated - it felt like fucking Mordor
nightripper
It was orange where I was. Everything had an errie orange hue. The AQI was fucking purple.
UNHchabo
A tech site I read had their phone reviewer in the Pacific Northwest, he said all the phone cameras were having a REAL hard time doing automatic white balance because of the orange hue that everything had.
yogssothoz
McGowan closed WA up nice and tight. Then Fatty McFuckFace Palmer tried to sue the State about it. But we stayed closed. It was awesome.
NothingPrince
Thaks for posting this because, yes it was, we have too many spoilt brats here who complained about it.
tgiaa
Your regular reminder that while the border closures were an excellent strategy against the spread of COVID, McGowan is no saint.
petrovpoo
Yeah, those times were crazy. It felt like it was a competition between the UK, the US, and Australia to see who had the most moronic leader. The US won, hands down.
CarlBassett
Thanks directly to the UK leader the UK led the world in vaccine procurement and rollout. We were so far ahead of the EU in vaccinating people that the EU threatened to sue us, demanding we give them our vaccine. The EU even blocked a shipment of vaccine to the UK for no reason. They didn't use those vaccines themselves, they just didn't want the UK to have them. (Italy also blocked a vaccine shipment to Australia)
CarlBassett
petrovpoo
That maybe true. However Boris was a complete arse hat.
NothingPrince
laughting from Wets Aus, what lockdown we just closed the boarders :)
NothingPrince
If from West Aus. What pandemic all clear hear except for a few months. Lockdowns work
Gragnor
Madagascar, I am disappoint.
laserfrog
They don't have to be prepared if they close airports first.
whatsisname
Margrave9000
Sweden did really well, though.
LittlePinkAnimal
Really well is overstating it a bit. We did as well as most Western European countries. The interesting bit is that we did as well as we did without mask mandates and stay at home orders.
Cilvaa
Did they though?
Margrave9000
1, They reported very transparently and honestly. It's their culture. Comparatively, anti-democratic states must be much worse, while democracies are probably closer to Sweden.
2, Sweden, after careful deliberation, allowed society to carry on, so they did not choke their economy. Covid there mostly affected care homes, the sick and the elderly, so not many expected additional productive life years were lost. So this is a misleading statistic.
khora
"Due to varying protocols and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death, the number of confirmed deaths may not accurately represent the true number of deaths caused by COVID-19". Look at excess mortality instead: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
dashers
Actual COVID death rate:
TheBurpyPony
On the chart, "... the number of confirmed deaths may not accurately represent the true number of deaths...".
yerrific
Belarus tells an interesting story of under-/misreporting. Medical staff were told to put just about anything but COVID, and the government pursued a policy of denial. Was in Belarus throughout the entirety of 2020, still remember their “president” saying you just need a shot of vodka and some field work to stay healthy.
Feralkyn
What's it meant to be?? Thousands... out of a million, or?
Youhavinagiraffe
Read the chart title
Feralkyn
Yeah, uh, someone else beat you to it a bit ago but ty :D
Hammerwell
See headline in bold.
Feralkyn
Jesus I'm not doing good at reading today, thanks!
watisthisidontevn
The stats for India are suspect. At the time I read (bbc news I think) that they were only counting deaths from people that visited the hospital - which was a very small percentage of the people that caught covid there.
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
No, CONFIRMED death rates. A lot of poorer countries had terrible access to tests, so they could not verify most of the deaths. So there can be a big difference between confirmed deaths, and actual deaths. (and this does not only apply to poo countries either)
darkstarmc
To be fair, I think covid death rates from none developed countries are a bit suspect.
oaberbyamd
The only I beleive are nrz Zealand and Australia
graifazig
As the subtitle already says, that map depends a lot on how honest the reporting was for a given country. Just looking at Europe, seeing Belarus, something smells fishy there even if we consider the relatively low population density.
SlyeFox
During the pandemic there was a weird policy in the UK where if you died while infected, your death was reported as being from Covid... even if you were run over by a bus.
Youhavinagiraffe
Not just honesty but testing rates too. An excess deaths chart (i.e. death rates above the normal average) is probably going to be a more accurate estimate of the impact
TheSilverSeraph
Take the China statistics with a grain of salt. Actually, an ocean worth of salt
EverydayIsLegDayBecauseImRunningFromMyProblems
Same for India, with an even bigger grain or 2 of salt.
TheAziz
I take that whole map like that. Not a chance far east took it that much better than idk, Hungary. I know the country is being ruled by a shitbag but so is Belarus and apparently all was going so well there?
Wolfos
Belarus basically stopped counting deaths. It's all heavily politicized. Even in strong democracies there was *some* bullshit going on.
Wolfshead009
Sadly, the US ones are likely underreported as well. I find it very suspicious that Florida had a massive spike in "pneumonia" deaths when C-19 was active.
yamamasyamaha
USA could be over reported. Any time someone died and tested positive for Covid it was determined that it was a death caused by Covid, no matter what actually killed them.
TheLastGreatAudit
I lived in Idaho at the time. Outside of Costco, you'd never know COVID happened. Just a wild spike in pneumonia. And the even dumber Bundy boy will lead a lynch mob to your house if you dare suggest different.
Grinningatdoom
Glad you got out, been stuck here myself. Its sickening to watch the general public behave here, both during and after. People giving the second degree to anyone wearing a mask or talking behind their backs. Since we are so isolated up here, they just jump on the bandwagon of it being a hoax, fighting against any suggestion of a vaccine or booster shot.
Pokegeologist
Left Texas to move home at the end of December 2021. People thought I was nuts/overreacting because I masked the whole time in both states. I have health problems of my own, I couldn't afford to get COVID. Now it feels like you're part of some nutty conspiracy theory if you even imply you believe COVID happened in the first place. People legit gave up summer of 2021 and now you're a kook if you think it happened at all.
TheLastGreatAudit
Idaho is straight up a third world country. My wife visited family in another state for a month and came back reflexively donning a mask and *I* was fucking thrown by it.
dashers
Stats are in some places suspect. China and US reported similar number of cases, but the US had 1.2m deaths, where China 120k
haggerton
The Chinese was using TCM to treat patients from the very beginning. Their astonishing clinical results led to the second ever paper on acupuncture published in Nature. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/quieting-storm#:~:text=Animals%20treated%20with%20acupuncture%20immediately,from%2020%20to%2080%20percent.
Ofc this didn't stop Western MSM to label Chinese use of TCM as "unscientific" because clearly Aryan Übermensch can't lose to anyone. Even now most Westerners are brainwashed on this.
Zamerine
Aaaand you're being downvoted without any counter arguments.
Brainwashing at its finest
Biolog4Viking
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/acupuncture-points-dont-exist/
haggerton
I quote Nature and you quote some trashy blog? Imgurians are really fucking brainwashees.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04001-4
Wikipedo
China just stopped reporting numbers, then claimed they saved everyone
nightripper
Wink with both eyes if Winnie the Pooh in Chief forced you to write that.
khora
Even the definition of covid death varies. If you died in a car crash within 30 days of a positive covid test that counted as a covid death in many places. Excess mortality is the real number to look at.
Blanks56
Great source on a bullshit claim!
TheLastGreatAudit
Yes to the excess mortality rate being the true tell, no to the lying to *add* to the COVID total.
khora
It’s not adding. A lot of people died without having a covid test done prior to fatality or during autopsy.
ElroydIsGone
Might have been in some countries, but statistically, this only distorts the death rate by the rate of fatal accidents within the general population within 30 days, which - fortunately - is very low compared to the 1% covid rate.
wandermanspacebot
No, it didn't.
khora
To make it worse some countries changed the definition during the pandemic. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/
wandermanspacebot
To make the thing that never happened worse?
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
No, that was a common rumour but that's not how it works. In most places (at least as far as I know) they enter the cause of death and likelly contributors on a death certificate. But they can also enter other conditions that are not considered to contribute to your demise. So if you're in a car crash, the cause of death might be listed as internal bleeding or whatever, but there is also going to be a note about you havid covid. That's what confused people. It did not count as a covid death.
khora
It makes sense to include all deaths with a certain number of days of confirmed infection when it’s a new disease. Perhaps suicides would skyrocket if covid-19 affected depression. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-health-england-death-data-revised/
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
It makes sense to include it as a note, so that you can keep some statistics, and also go back and adjust the numbers later if a connection is found. But it makes no sense list covid as a cause of death for someone mauled by a bear. At least in Sweden, the reported deaths were only cases where the doctors judged covid to be a likelly contributor. So if you died from pneumonia, and had covid; covid death. Parachute did not open; not covid death, regardless of covid.
PanNonOpticon
I once calculated that even if that were true, which it isn't, it would hardly have mattered.
I'll redo that. On average in US there were about 100k positive covid test per day. So at any given moment 30 days from positive it'll be about 3M. Of the population 3M/450M. Less than 1%. In US about 40k die from traffic accidents. So out of those less than 400 were 30 days from positive covid test.
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
Iremember looking at the official numbers here in Sweden, and came to the same conclusion. Even if you counted the people who died of other causes, but also happenend to have covid, it only increased the numbers by a few percent.
Zamerine
The car thing is just an example, not the whole point my dear
PanNonOpticon
It doesn't matter. There are so few accidental deaths, and so few people within 30 days from positive test that it wouldn't make much difference for the death figures. On average less than 1% of population had less than 30 day old positive covid test. Even with all the deaths in US, about 3 million, it woudn't change much. That would be less than 30 000. Covid deaths 2020 US? 350 000. So 30k would have been a lot less than 10%. You can't whitewash deaths with that stupid 30 day claim.
Burke616
It's a lie to try to pretend that people who were counted as covid deaths actually died of something else. It's an effort to create the impression that the numbers were artificially inflated, in order to artificially deflate the numbers' credibility.