Come on, the cruelty IS the pointl

Jul 1, 2025 4:39 PM

and they won't care. they'll be too busy counting their money to think of what affects "the poors"

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

It’s back to the House to approve the Senate version. Let’s see how many of the Republicans who complained that they wouldn’t have voted for it if they knew what was in it fall back in line. Trump is going to throw a fit if it’s not on his desk by Friday.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So that's it. America is dead. I didn't think ww3 would be so soon against america.

3 months ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 2

so, violence it is then.

3 months ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

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May everyone who voted for this bill and the people who enabled them get everything they deserve.

3 months ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

The best purchase billionaires have ever made.

3 months ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I'm not sure how they sleep at night.

3 months ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

May the entire GOP rot in fucking hell!!! trump has long had a special place waiting for him there!!! 🤬🖕

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Are we talking about the big beautiful bill? :(

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

https://imgur.com/oe3PFJu.mp4

3 months ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Huh, never thought I'd see an Avatar reference that didn't involve dogging on the movie for no reason. A pleasant surprise.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I fucking love Avatar, +1

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Someone said the bill was Byrds Rule and needs 60 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/6/30/2330897/-Politico-reports-that-the-GOP-wooing-Murkowski-violates-Byrd-Rule-60-votes-not-50-will-be-needed

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The pAlaska Medicaid provision was thrown out at the last minute but Murkowski still got enough to concessions to “agonizingly” still vote for it

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Fuck, and now it goes back to the house?

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

yup where it also only passed by one vote the first time around

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Sadly yep, wish there was a way to stall.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We could gather a mob and storm the capital. It didn’t turn out so bad for the guys that did it last time

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Because Republicans are cowards.

3 months ago | Likes 364 Dislikes 4

Nah. Americans are cowards. Put an amendment in the constitution in order to stand against tyranny, then don’t use it. Fucking sheep.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

Little too early on that. Give it another couple of years. Things are gonna start getting bad.

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

*pussys and led by the biggest one of all.

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They're in on the gag, which involves voting system tampering. You either get on the bus or get fucked.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And Republicans always greatly increase spending while somehow blaming Democrats

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's doesn't seem so much as cowardice as it does malice. Why do positions of power draw some of the worst of our species?

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Because of its hierarchical structure that allows them to have power over those who they see as "lesser" while guaranteeing them the ability to enrich themselves through their control over economic forces.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

they need to grow more afraid of Americans than of Trump.
members of Congress should live in fear for their careers

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

cunts

3 months ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

you mispelled nazi's, but you can have an upvote anyway

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're not cowards, they want this and have wanted this for decades.

3 months ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 2

Yeah, I'm REALLLLLLLLLY tired of people dismissing every thing in this shitshow as "they're cowards/spineless", as if Trump is the only reason this is all being done. He's a dipshit that shits/pisses his pants, has a 5th grade level vocab, and literally spaces out, repeatedly walks towards walls (until he's grabbed by Johnson), and garbles his words often. He's the useful idiot puppet. The GOP is actually running the show. It's like saying Hitler was solely responsible for everything...

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

the Nazis did, and thinking all of his generals et al were just "spineless cowards" that went along with everything he wanted to do and had no hand it in themselves.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

*bought.

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

It won't bother a single one of them and that's the problem.

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

they would've been primaried if they stepped out of line, and besides, what do they care about the poors?

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

People who sat out the election or encouraged others to do so will 100% blame this on democrats.

3 months ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 3

Republicans are so devoid of reality they don't care. They are a cult concerned that EVERYONE is lazy and entitled. While giving all the money to people with infinite healthcare and benefits.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Isn't this the bill that basically allows Trump to say "nah" the next time an election is due?

3 months ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

It's the enabling act.

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

No, there was a post going viral a while back that misrepresented a lot of the bill - I don't know why, because the truth is fucking heinous enough without a dusting of misinformation.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

no.
**WE** will live with the horror - possibly for generations.

they are rather insulated from this tenmselves.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

3 of them tried to.

3 months ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 5

how does one try to vote no?

3 months ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 3

The sentence was "could have stopped this abomination". They tried to stop it, 3 of them.

3 months ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

There were 3 Republicans who joined all the Democrats in voting "NO."

3 months ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

oh ok

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is how you know this whole damn thing is rigged. Like the GOP knows they have 3 votes to spare, so they take the three senators most likely to be defeated by the impending backlash of 17 million people losing health care, and tell them "you can go ahead and vote no, we got this".

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

One was Rand Paul, who occasionally stands by principle (typically horrible principles, but principles nonetheless). One announced his retirement, partly over this nonsense. And the last was Susan Collins so probably yeah, exactly that.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Or 3 of them were allowed to vote No to placate their purple districts because they knew they had the votes to pass it without them.

3 months ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 1

This ... my guess is that it's all political theater and they made sure that Vance voted on it while hedging a handful of republican senator seats. I honestly don't count those swing votes as actual votes against it nor do I see them as actually reaching across the isle. They are all just playing the public perception while also getting what they want as a unified party.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

"Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Susan Collins of Maine joined all Democrats in voting against the bill."

3 months ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 0

Didn’t Tillis only speak out about it mere hours after deciding he didn’t want to run for office again?

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm waiting for the comments saying this was basically Democrats' fault

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

We blame Bernie and his godless communism!

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I heard NPR interviewing lisa murkowski, she was claiming she was so independent from trump.

Later she'll claim she didn't think it would be so bad, and she's doing everything she can to correct things.

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I'm just happily surprised that no Democrats voted for the bill

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Rand Paul voted against? Not that I follow American politics besides seeing what the International Orange embaressment did today, but I don't remember Rand Paul getting into the news as the voice of Republican reason...

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Rand Paul is a nutjob but he's a consistent nutjob. BBB is not attractive to an ideological libertarian.

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

At the very least, libertarianism is antithetical to authoritarianism. so Rand Paul has usually voted in line with less regulation and government control

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Rand Paul is as insane now as he was then. He only appears sane by contrast.

3 months ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Collins probably waited to see if her vote mattered before voting no, she would’ve voted yes if Rs needed her to, she’s a piece of garbage and up for reelection

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

No “probably” about it. That’s her M.O.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"I think he learned his lesson"

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

who were the 3 that did flip?

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Three Senate Republicans joined Democrats in voting against the legislation: Susan Collins of Maine, Rand Paul of Kentucky and Thom Tillis of North Carolina.

3 months ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

What's weird is I just assume Paul wanted it to be worse

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

federal debt/deficit spending is one thing he's reasonably consistent on

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh he does.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

lisa murkowski, or however the name goes, was one of them

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 14

No, I don't think she was.

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

She was the deciding vote! Had she voted no JD Vance would not get to vote.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, when it's 50/50 EVERY vote is the deciding vote. Don't let the other 49 assholes off the hook.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No shit, but had she voted no it wouldn't have passed and the fact that her deal with trump to vote yes was yanked right out from under her so not only did she sell out the American people but she was made a fool of on top of it!

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She voted FOR it.

3 months ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Yes. She flipped from NOT voting for it to voting for it.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Well America. You had a good run.

3 months ago | Likes 251 Dislikes 3

shhhhhhh... ut up, you prat.

read a book about american history.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Not in my lifetime, we didn't.

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

*looks at our nation's history* did we, tho?

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Ask manifest destiny's affected countries what we think about that run.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

All the potential in the world.

3 months ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

no we fucking didn't

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

1942 to 1963 was it for them.

3 months ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I think you may have been looking at only one side of things. It's been a bloodstained murdering shit show since the 1500's.

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

The US didn’t exist in the 1500s

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

They were sure raping, murdering, and infecting my native ancestors like they owned the place by then, even before the "birth of the country"

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

So I keep hearing.

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Did we though? I just see a LOT of atrocities. Like a lot a lot...

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is gonna sound weird, but the fact that people keep saying this as things get worse gives me faith that there are still people who believe it isn't over yet. One advantage we have today that Germany didn't is ease of communication. It's not as easy to isolate the good people, and it's not as easy to make people believe there is nobody left who is still fighting. Just an idle thought, I live in New Zealand so we're only feeling the ripples, not the waves

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

It's not over yet. BBB still has to pass House approval again. It probably will without changes, but still.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

If we ignore the fact that we've lived off destroying countries all over the world and installing dictators who commit genocide, sure.

3 months ago | Likes 53 Dislikes 1

We learned from the best...

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Meh. Standard procedure for the reigning global hegemon in fairness. We've all got China throwing its weight around to look forward to next.

3 months ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 5

Yup, people are gonna miss pax Americana

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

We will?

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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..... no we won't...

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Don't know about that now.

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That would have required a single one of them to have a spine or a shred of principles/morality. Those don't exist in the new world order the MAGAts have made

3 months ago | Likes 114 Dislikes 2

Lockstep...straight into the bowels of hell.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

3 of the Republicans didn't vote for it.

3 months ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 2

Three Republican Senators were allowed to vote against it, so the bill would still pass.

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

they probably all drew lots to decide who'd be 'allowed' to vote no on it. disgusting.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

To be fair, MAGA has spent the last decade plus driving everyone with any decency or courage out of any position of power in their party. They've done an amazing job of it.

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I hate that John McCain was someone I wouldn't have supported, but as flawed as he was, he still had good intentions. Trump politically danced on his grave, shit on it, and demanded McCain's friends clap as he did so... And they did.

The party stopped trying to even be remotely moderate after that. So much so they started attacking his military record. I didn't even like the guy and I found myself having to defend the dudes record from MAGA supporters. Ridiculous.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

McCain, Romney, Liz Cheney, even 2 term W Bush, former GOP elite, now pariah in the new MAGA order. Hell Pence was his VP fist term and they had the gallows ready to hang him.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

First*

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

MAGA is not new or anomalous, it's who Republicans have always been. They've just been more direct about it since 2016 because they realized they didn't need to speak in coded language.

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

It would have taken more than one. This is all pageantry allowing republicans in districts that may swing the ability to save their seats. They were allowed to vote no so long as they could hit 50-50 for the VP

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Yep, it sets up Vance as the bill's savior. It's a little cherry on top to raise his visibility and status.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Or when and if he "runs" for president in 2028 I hope it gets used against him

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

We'll see if it passes the House again. The number of people here who don't seem to know how this works is saddening.
it only passed the house just barely. 215 yea, 214 nay, 1 pass.


It now has to pass the house again. Then the senate, if they make changes.

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Ty for reminder, I'd actually forgotten

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's what I thought, I mean MTG said she didn't read it the first time, maybe she will this time and not like it?

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

MTG? Read? Good one.

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

As a non-American, what I don't get is why a gov of either party puts forth these bills that do something over like, 30+ years. As soon as any other admin gets in they'll just pass something different. Why don't all the bill do what they want them to in less than 4 years?

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The standard for comparison is ten years using numbers crunched by OMB. Back when we had the thin veneer of civil discourse, one could look at the OMB projections for different versions of a bill or different policy papers by candidates and get a rational, equal-basis comparison of consequences.
This was in part to debunk arson-grade tax cut plans that would show massive benefits for two years and then gut the IRS and cripple the entire federal government in four or five.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

IIRC, the beginning of the end was Rand Paul's use of a magic asterisk in his healthcare projections. Basically his policy paper forced the OMB to use assumptions they disagreed with, which generated the headlines he wanted and the perception of partisan leanings to cast himself as a victim of the big bad leftists. Sane people who could stay awake through the weaponized c-span discussion saw through this, but that's not exactly a thick slice of the population.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

From mine understanding: the US presidency is nothing short of untreated bipolar disorder. Because of this, current presidents try to set forth bills that extend further than 4 years to try and get some kind of progress done. Or to hinder the next president. It's also a constant game of whack-a-mole, doing away legislation that the current party finds bad. Republicans also love to use this delayed poison pit to spring on the next dem president, then run the hive mind to demonize Dems.

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3 months ago | Likes 69 Dislikes 0

In their eyes it’ll all be worth it since it’s affecting CA so hard compared to other states, relatively

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Texas too

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This really is insane

Emergency room costs are about to skyrocket

How are we this fucking stupid as a society

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This bill will close hospitals so good luck finding one

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

50,000 dead Americans per year because of this bill according to two separate university studies.

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I think Alaska got an amendment that it wouldn't be included in all the shitty parts of the bill.

3 months ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Well. That's if you can trust this fickle administration.

3 months ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

3 months ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Wow!!! An entire state said “Fuck you, got mine!”

3 months ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Nope, just the senate reps that voted. That states reps should live in infamy for selling out the rest of the country.

3 months ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Still ultimately the voters, why does bright blue Washington State have so many R’s representing them?

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

She was the deciding vote!

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

They get token exemptions. It doesn’t exempt them entirely and a lot of the stuff hits later just the same. It’s going to do serious damage to Alaska, too, but it gives Murkowski to say “Look what I did for you! Vote for me!” but she didn’t do much.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Make sure to hold up a sign about it. That'll teach 'em.

3 months ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 24

>Says protest is worthless
>Looks inside
>lives in Europe

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Am from the US originally
Am trans
Am terrified to return home
Fuck you

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Discouraging a form of protest makes me wonder what your motive is

3 months ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 3

Because peaceful protests are exactly what those in power want you to do. Peaceful protests are easy to ignore. Why do you think we've had the idea drilled into us that peaceful protesting is the "right" way to do it.

3 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

It's a knife edge. Dump and Bondi , et al are a trigger away from marshal law. Just waiting to any excuse to declare an insurrection. Fuck it. What else do we have to lose? I didn't plan on making to 60 anyway for other reasons.

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A protest does not work unless it causes, or threatens to cause, some sort of harm, be it financial, emotional, political, etc if the demands are not met. You hold a sign and yell? They'll ignore you until your voice is hoarse and keep doing things you'll need to yell about. MLK was nonviolent, but his protests worked bc the public saw that the alternative was Malcom X advocating Black ppl arm themselves to overthrow their oppression "by any means necessary." You sign a petition? They'll wipe 1/

3 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

their ass with if you're lucky, unless you've got prior examples of what you did last time a petition was ignored. At worst they'll thank you for self assembling a list of enemies for them. These are fascists. You cannot negotiate or yell fascism away. You have to make them fear consequences for their actions to get rid of them. And so far they keep doing the shitty fascist things no matter how many signs we hold up 2/2

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Protests are great! But they alone do nothing. Remember everything that changed after Occupy? or BLM? Oh, right, fuck all. A protest is a threat. If the protest fails to force the change you seek, you move beyond protest. People are literally dying due to America's apathy.

3 months ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 10

The Democrats delayed the passage of this bill, and used their knowledge of Senate rules to strip out some harmful provisions. The bill wasn't subject to filibuster so there are limits to how much they could delay.

The now well tarnished bill has to pass the House again, and that's not certain by any means.

That's a pretty good day in the minority.

3 months ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 2

Still, it's a shame they decided supporting Israel was more important than winning the presidency.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

And it's also a shame that some voters opposed to the genocide decided voting for the lesser of two evils wasn't the best possible choice.

I think had Harris won she'd likely be doing far more to oppose the genocide than Trump is. Not enough, but something.

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's not certain, but it's likely

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

It won't get less likely just surrendering.

3 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I hope the red states get everything they voted for.

3 months ago | Likes 321 Dislikes 9

Unfortunately it means i'm getting everything they voted for too so.

3 months ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I think you mean you hope all voters get what they voted for. Then I agree wholeheartedly

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Do you believe red states consist only of Republicans?

3 months ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 7

Those who didn’t vote for trump are effectively hostages.

And the more we negotiate with hostage takers, the more hostages they take.

3 months ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

No, but clearly the red states haven’t been hit hard enough with these policies. As they keep on voting these fuckers back in office. Soo, they need to feel the vote.

3 months ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 5

At least the leopards will be well fed.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Because of how this country works there's literally multiple states where democrats out number republicans more than 2 to 1 & Republicans still hold power cause it's fecking rigged.

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I don’t. I live in one.

3 months ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 3

If you come live in eastern Washington, it’s like living in a red state in the middle of a blue state

3 months ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

Oh, Spokane. Doing their best to lower local taxes, then blaming their crumbling infrastructure, failing public works, and countless potholes on Seattle. Classic.

3 months ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Common spokanistan greeting: “Got any meth?”

3 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

So do I, and I hope the people who voted for this die a slow, horrible death. Everyone who voted for a better future, i feel bad for, and I hope yall are okay.

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I hope the red voters get everything they voted for?

3 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I do too, and immediate impact on themselves is all the red cunts understand.

The only way we’re getting them to change is if they suffer immensely or if the lefties band together and start putting down the rabid red dogs.

There’s no other options.

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I imagine all most of the will "understand" is that they'll be told Biden and the Democrats are responsible for whatever bad thing happens to them as a result of this.

3 months ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Then it’s time for a euthanasia drive.

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