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ToonamiT0M
When you make peaceful progress impossible, violent revolution becomes necessary.
giganticroboticpenguin
Emrys12
Shook? Dang guys the standards are so low huh. I bet most of them just checked their phone sighed and resumed with normal operations.
hellospacemonkey
Make the rich remember
wrennsteven61101
One so far
AyatollahBahloni
PirateArrrgument
This is the reason the ruling class has for decades been trying to indoctrinate us with the phrase "violence never solves anything" when, historically, it's usually the one thing that actually solves assholes with no morals and unlimited power.
DocNitro
Luigi was a reminder to them, of the old days, before unions. When workers banded together and broke into their boss' house, to beat him to death in front of his wife and kids. Sure, a few of them might get gunned down by police, bodyguards and military, but the tide of bodies did prove successful often enough.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
Again so many killings in USA and not a single one serial killer who'd kill only rich assholes instead of blondes, innocent bystanders, kids, ...
notifybay151
ghostalker
Because peaceful organizing can simply be ignored. Other kind of protesting generates click revenue, which is why the news is willing to carry it at all.
mangoinparis
Peaceful organizing changed more for the working classes though. Disability Rights Act. Affordable Care Act (crap but better than before). Violence can make a difference (looking at you Syria), but it seems the exception rather than the norm.
mangoinparis
Syria looking pretty bad now.
RichardNunez
putcleverusernamehere
Yes, but we need a *whole lot* more peaceful protesting. CEOs along with Republican congressional "leaders" should look out their windows from home and see angry mobs carrying torches
Parad0xia
Only one? Those are rookie numbers let's get that higher.
RElGNMAN
FishieStardust
If Maggie could do it... She was ahead of the curve
JonSnowAKAAegonTargaryen
FishieStardust
peedrinkingcrapface
the dead CEO wasn't even a member of the ruling class. he was worth about $40M, making him exponentially closer to the average American than the average billionaire. for scale, if the average billionaire had $10,000, Brian Thompson would've had forty-three bucks. it's stunning how few people are aware of this. everybody just assumes CEO = Billionaire. that's not even close. this is supposed to be a Class War, yet we're misidentifying the classes by several orders of magnitude. wake up.
Josh25AP
Maybe not in terms of finances, but he had literal power of the life and death of many individuals.
peedrinkingcrapface
not saying he wasn't responsible. he was - in the way that all Executioners are. the problem is that most people assume he was also Judge and Jury. he wasn't.
UncleRat
When the powers that turned Luigi Mangione into a terrorist and not one of the many murders, you know he hit the correct spot. The real terrorists are those in a position of power that can say someone lives or dies as a matter of profit.
srsfaceI8C
So I've been thinking for a long time nothing is gonna get better until people start killing those in power, but I kept that shit to myself because you're not supposed to publicly call for what essentially is political violence.
But also, nothing is gonna get better until the corrupt people in power no longer have power, and murdering them is the only way to accomplish this.
Greed has killed the world, and we need to fight back.
AzgarOgly
Murder shakes people more than a peaceful talk. What a surprise...
Zarf42
Lick them boots.
FreshwaterViking
One bullet spoke louder than thousands of protestors.
GriffinMann41
Well this is just demonstrably false. They caught the guy and he's immediately going to prison, but don't delude yourself into thinking they're actually scared. You know what had them scared? The worldwide occupy protests that happened in the early 10s. THAT had them scared. They fearmonger *to this day* about the Occupy protests. They lied for YEARS about what Occupy was and asked. Hell I bet *tons* of you think Occupy "were just ecolosers angry at the world". Organize and riot. Dont pretend 1/
a01626323
History shows us that collective action can spark real change. The Occupy movement proved that peaceful protests can rattle those in power. Let's learn from the past and continue to organize for a better future
GriffinMann41
posting fucking memes on Imgur or Reddit or wherever has anyone scared. You know what scares them? When you ORGANIZE. PROTEST. and RIOT. Make an actual fucking difference. *Then* they'll be scared. 2/2
DarknessOfIce
No. The Occupy protests, at least as they were here, were a bunch of stoners standing around in a park. Luigi has companies scrambling to hire security.
GriffinMann41
This is exactly my point. The Occupy protestors had a wide variety of goals, of people in them. You have been deluded, exactly as I said, into thinking *they* were the bad guys. They had demands! They had a plan of action! They got PEOPLE CROSS THE WORLD to listen to their message and actually DO something. You know what Luigi did? He killed one replacable nobody in a system with people HAPPY to replace him. And he got people to post memes. In terms of tangible change he's done little else.
DarknessOfIce
I am not deluded into thinking they are the bad guys. I think that they are the useless guys. They did not get people around the world to listen to anything we hadn't heard before. They did not do anything. (as far as I know) You say they had goals and plans? What happened to those goals and plans?
GriffinMann41
What happened was people listened to the media who *were the ones saing they were useless*. Again, they *did* get people around the world to listen because the Occupy protests happened *across the world*. People across the world agitating about increased wealth disparity, the looming climate crisis, the centralization of wealth, the looming population crisis because *of* the wealth disparity. All issues that HAVE GOTTEN WORSE because people refused to listen and JOIN them at the time. Because 1/
GriffinMann41
the media told people they were 'just stoner losers' and 'people angry at their lot in life' and 'idea-less losers' and a whole slew of other lies. People were happy to ignore all these issues because they weren't as bad at the time. They were 'useless' because people, as always, would rather live in blissful ignorance of their problems, both current and impending. The occupy protests were people who saw the writing on the wall and wanted to *do* something about it, before the era of people 2/
Eldis
Protesting has been tried, not much if anything at all changed. It time to start upping the ante.
mattbl
Go for it pal.
GriffinMann41
The reason "not much if anything" changed is because Americans are fucking pussies. We'd rather post fucking memes about "the revolution" and "eat the rich" rather than ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING. Because the reality people don't want to face is the OVERWHELMING majority of people DONT want violence. They don't! Very few revolutions in history that have led to any good have had the actual majority of the population behind them. It's firebrands with charisma leading a radicalized core of people. Now 1/
Eldis
Culture shaping around it is how change starts. I'm tired of this attitude that creating momentum for change is somehow a bad thing.
GriffinMann41
"creating momentum" Don't delude yourself into thinking posting memes on social media does anything tangible. You know what *would* do something? Organizing. Protesting. Meet up with people. Plan a thousand, ten thousand, march, or a sit-down. Make yourself SEEN. Because when you do? Copycat protests of like-minded people pop up. All posting memes does is make you feel better and make other people go "See other people are posting memes, that's all we gotta do!"
Eldis
All I hear from you is whining how "nothing ever changes" when we have countless of examples in history were change was initiated by culture shift just like this one. No one's gonna pat your head if the outcome is negative and you say "TOLD YOU SO!"
GriffinMann41
When you look at revolutions that dont lead to dictatorial or authoritarian/oligarchic regimes of terror (which is remarkably few) in comparison to the MASSIVE history of organized protest enacting widespread change in a country, it's not a good luck for fans of revolution! The reality is that we'd rather post on fucking Imgur and Twitter silly memes than march on the streets like the people we venerate, the French, the Labor protests of history! You're not gonna get SHIT done crying waiting 2/
GriffinMann41
for someone else to start a revolution so you can benefit and get a better life. You know what you CAN do? Organize. Protest. Riot. *Actually* fight, realistically, for a better life. Like your fucking grandparents or great grandparents nearly certainly did. Because THAT works. It HAS worked. It CONTINUES to work, even. 3/3
jgjgjgjgjgjgjg
You mean, one person with an "ALLEGED" pistol.
IconicM
Bullshit. My mom's ambulance ride was denied a couple weeks ago, nothing has changed. There's also been no real organization or protesting in favor of single payer healthcare, the only organizing is a PAC *against* socialized medicine. Memes like this are only meant to prevent any actual organizing as y'all keep encouraging violence (stochastic terrorism) instead of actually organizing and holding the *politicians* accountable.
PicassoCT
Its not lead accupunture medicine, its alternative high energy single payer health care
VerboseDood61
I don't care if he's freed. But I would LOVE to see others follow his example. The rich villains of the world SHOULD be held accountable for causing death and suffering needlessly! #SorryNotSorry
Oatmealman1
Seems like most of us know what needs to be done. But fear for ourselves and families will make it very difficult. I can only hope it will happen before my children's lives are completely destroyed by trump's Nazi america
ptenopus
There will be resistance.
cambam3000
The way I see it, there's a limited number of good people in the world. Don't waste yourself on a one-off stunt.
That said, if you're terminally ill or have decided to commit suicide do something worthwhile, my doodes. If you can't stay use your end for something special, whatever that may be
zimirken
TheobromineAddict
Exactly so. As bad as it is, I haven't reached the point where I'm willing to abandon my family while I go on an assassination spree. But unlike Luigi, I and my family have not been directly threatened or harmed by the politicians and elites. If that changes, restraints are diminished.
Oatmealman1
My kids are mixed and those Nazi bitches are quite racist. I will turn into a rabid, cocaine fueld honey badger if ANYONE threatens my kids.
KommanderKayriel
Though, their self-serving decisions have indirectly hurt you, absolutely. Most of the problems in our lives can be traced back to them.
TheobromineAddict
I totally understand this. For instance, health insurance is a major hit on my income right now, and I've got expensive things coming up soon that are definitely opportunities for claims denials.
In the bigger picture, climate change puts all the oil company executives on the kill list.
I could go on, and on.
Mohareb
They also calls it terror. Meanwhile CIA insist that its not terror with the dude killing 10 people driving through them
thegarts
They called that act in Mew Orleans a terrorist act.
DukePhelan
They just arrested a guy with the most homemade explosive ever recovered in history here in VA. Somehow the feds aren't adding a 'terrorism' charge to the list he is facing. Its not terrorism unless it threatens or inconveniences the 1% it seems.
https://apnews.com/article/homemade-bombs-seized-virginia-firearms-c68488480ef8bd3de7b432272399aa28
iggylights
He's a right wing nutjob who was using a picture of Biden for target practice. Wonder how they would spin it if he was targeting Trump.
DarkTheme439
If your feeling get hurt, they call it terror now. If it serves their agenda.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
FBI, not CIA, but your point still stands and it's fucking insane.
Mohareb
Oh yeah. You're right
macdjord
I mean, it was an act of violence against a civilian, and we're literally looking at a post praising the effectiveness of it at causing policy change by fear. That is, in fact, the definition of terrorism. The fact that other crimes which should be labelled the same ay and aren't doesn't change that. (I still hope Luigi walks! But I'm not going to pretend it wasn't what it was.)
Mohareb
We're not disagreeing. It's purely the selective labeling from people higher up in the system that annoys me. They have reverted it anyway and now also calls it a terrorist attack (after ISIS flag was found)
RandomQuack
It's weird I've never felt less terrorized than when Luigi was at large.
knappy2010
Safflower777
Oh yeah they are. That driver had an ISIS flag....
Mohareb
Yeah. Suddenly they could call it a terrorist attack but they started out with the opposite
ProxyPlayerHD
i'm sorry this is a pretty serious topic, but i read your first sentence in fucking gollum's voice because of the wording...
Mohareb
I'm the one that posted. It's fine. I can see what you mean in the start of it. No reason to be serious all the time just because of the subject. Nobody is going to have a happy life from being serious 24/7
ChazzK
It's only terror if you kill for a reason beyond "I just want to kill people." Unless that reason is racism. Or homophobia. Or transphobia. Or xenophobia. Or ethnophobia. Or theophobia. Or....
mikeatike
They only care about terror if rich people are afraid.
OnceBotheredTwiceShy
AyatollahBahloni
JimmyWalkerTexasRanger
ElbowDeepInAMoose
Eldis
To be honest, it's not a discussion. Everyone and their mother agree Luigi is a hero - the rich pieces of shit might not say it aloud, but they know he is the very definition of one. It's only propaganda pieces released that claim otherwise and try to downplay him, it's a desperate attempt at controlling a population quickly coming to terms that nothing short of violence will not get rid of the genocidal, earth-raping ultra rich slavers.
VerboseDood61
I've been telling women this for years. If you want rights you've got to rise up and take them.
Kiares
Kill everyone involved in the media you say? /s for my fed
ShrokNil
I mean they all work for oligarchs in the end may as well.
m0problems
I don't know whether you actually believe this or you're trying to make some rhetorical point, but you are factually incorrect: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article297069729.html (TLDR: support for Mangione is 18% of the general population and 41% for people under 45, which is high, but very far from "everyone.")
Eldis
Both sample bias & sample size bias in full blown action here
NotAPervert
While not discrediting yourself, even a house of cards needs at least two cards. You can’t use a single poll from a single think tank in a single article to come to a full and reasonable conclusion.
NotAPervert
The poll referenced was by Center for strategic politics. From the bias check website about them, “CSIS is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that is funded through donations. The website discloses donors who have given over $5000. Some notable donors are Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, Carnegie Corporation of New York, and Charles Koch Foundation.”
Thecowes
What bothers me is that they claim the majority of adults have a negative opinion on Luigi when they only sampled 455 adults. There are around ~285.3 million adults in the US so unless this poll gets a substantial amount of that it’s not “factual” at all.
NotAPervert
“We sampled 455 adults who had enough spare time and initiative to do a poll” is another issue with methodology. I’d say an analysis of social media comments supporting and condemning would be extremely important to get useable data that isn’t tainted by “who is conducting the poll” as well as bypassing issue of sample size
m0problems
Of course sampling bias is a potential issue, but the numbers here are clear. It's not like a presidential election poll where 1% in either direction could turn a loss into a landslide.
kittyfajitas
Ntm the number of people that might not exactly want to admit to a stranger over the phone that they support Luigi. Within days of the shooting, a woman was arrested for terrorism for saying "delay defend depose" to an insurance agency. That *may* influence someone's willingness to go on record about this situation...
m0problems
You don't need a huge sample size to get an accurate result. A larger sample would reduce the margin of error, which is 4.6% for this poll. Even if it were off by double the margin of error - statistically very unlikely - it still wouldn't support the claim that "everyone" (or even a majority of people) thinks Mangione is a "hero."
NotAPervert
What methodology did they use that lead you to that conclusion?
NotAPervert
Put another way; best data I could find for how many cities in the United States is 19,495. The poll does not even represent one person per municipality, township, village, etc. the study would have to be conducted 42 times to have a represented population equivalent to one person per incorporated municipality.
BroWtfMann
Nothing became of it. Nothjng will. Just memes
languex
RollToSaveAgainst
They're treating the guy like public enemy number 1, they're scared shitless that others will follow in his footsteps. That's very solid proof that this wasn't nothing and they're doing as much as they can to discourage others
BroWtfMann
It's not that they aren't scared, it's not that luigi didn't do anything. It's that we the people largely won't do anything beyond post memes about it for a little while.
RollToSaveAgainst
Give it time, things are going to get a lot worse real quick for everyone
notifybay151
Tumescentpie
Well something good came of it. One less piece of shit. Hopefully the copycats start soon. I really wish the people who would shoot up schools would target the rich instead. That is the only way for meaningful change to happen.
One time is an anomaly and can be removed from a data set without consequence. It needs to be a trend for those cunts to start to change.
KaptainObveeus
There was at least one report of an insurance company that changed their mind about limiting the anesthesia coverage for operations that take longer than they think it should. His actions had a pretty big impact, it scared the ruling class. If there was a big organized coalition that started popping them off we would have the power to demand change. I don't like that it has to come to violence but that's definitely the only thing they will even listen to.
Kingdomonsterdeath
At least until the fuss dies down. Then it will be brought back quietly.
Mirrormancer
Don't let the fuss die down then.
Rogerwilco1974
Keep an eye on that company. It'll reinstate that policy at some point in the future, I'm sure.
KaptainObveeus
Agreed. They are just holding off for now. But the point is what Luigi did had an effect.
KommanderKayriel
Still, it showed them they can bleed. Luigi's sacrifice won't matter as long as people like you sit here bitching about how useless it was, when we could be following his example to MAKE the change happen.
Maxgaap
No meaningful legislative change will come. But private security firms are gonna get even richer
BroWtfMann
Well, that's true but I was more on about what people seem to want. Good for the people that is
AzgarOgly
And the patients are paying for that.
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
Correct. Nothing but a memerush.
Kingdomonsterdeath
Nothing significant came from the killing of Franz Ferdinand, either, right? Sometimes, just a spark can burn down thousands of kilometers of forest.
corpofilth
It's been almost a month since it happened and I don't see any fire. Just memes.
Kingdomonsterdeath
Rome didn't fall in a day. Maybe nothing happens, but I doubt it. The people who believe they are better than the peasants are going to continue squeezing until something pops.
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BroWtfMann
It's a good theory, but those examples are bad things that didn't affect the rich few. It's not that it can't be done, it's that we (American people) are so blinded and divided by nonsensical narratives driven by the media that we won't stop to realize we are doing what those people want us to.
akodorokku
Imo it already started with the two attempts on Trump the people who would have done school shootings have seen that school shootings don't get attention any more, but going after the rich and powerful does. And attention is what it's all about for the majority of mass shooters.
PoorBoyChevelle
Win-win then?
Eldis
Wow, how brave of you to make this bold statement! /s
Stop being a little bitch and contribute to the solution instead of being part of the problem. Cunt.
nyamcat
Not everyone on here is American you dimwit
Eldis
How do you jump into a conclusion where I think everyone's American? The fuck happened here?
Lexgeddon
As we have all learned, insults always change hearts and minds. Just ask movies.
CriminallyMysophobic
Only bitch ass cunt here i can see is you. Doubt you've done fuck all to contribute to anything in your "life"
corpofilth
What's your contribution been?
CriminallyMysophobic
No response of course
BroWtfMann
Sounds like you're the problem. People like you are exactly why people as a whole typically don't work towards a better goal, much less make one last.
Eldis
People have and will work towards common goals. There are countless examples of this in history, and that shit started with cultural shifts similar to this.
BroWtfMann
Not as long as the likes of you come out of the woodwork