The logistics of that whole thing must be a absolute fucking NIGHTMARE. JFC. Even if the movie turns out bad you got to give the people who make this credit. Also the practical web slinging is so cool.. but fuck that.. I would not trust the integrity of those wires. I think its a absolute crime that it has taken this long for them to put a stunt category in for the oscars...
I once took a wrong turn in Manchester and ended up on a Brooklyn Street, they'd redressed part of Ancoates for a movie shoot. It was night, only a few guys on set, no indication that it was a set... I was one confused traveler for a minute. Thought I'd teleported to NYC. There was even an NYC taxi, police car, and school bus.
I was once in a temple while a Korean historical drama was set to film. they politely asked me to leave since can't have a westerner hanging out in the wings for that.
There's a famous story of a movie shoot in Toronto that dressed a street to look like New York. In a break cleaners came in and cleaned up all the trash, so the movie people had to go and put it al back.
I wonder if Tom Holland has to change his name when they're not filming in the Netherlands... I bet that gets expensive. Though, when they return he splits the cost with the studio since they're going Dutch.
Dude, just get gift card to the theater, and use it to book a different show at the same time. Then go into the Spiderman theater. Assigned seating makes this more difficult to do now-a-days, but it’s what you have to do.
wait, are they really making a movie after the last one? I felt like that one left on a good note so we can say "goodbye" to his Spiderman. That makes me disappointed.
they'll basically use this to build off of. all the cranes and wires need to be painted out (including all reflections and shadows), city will need to be extended, the whole spiderman suit will need to be replaced, explosions made bigger, smoke denser, etc, etc.
painted like..; image by image by a human person? Or algorithmically painted computing nearest background? Do you like your job, by the way (I ask everybody this question).
there's a whole suite of techniques and tools but basically frame by frame by a human person but digitally. roto/paint or prep is a whole dept of it's own. i do like my job even though i complain about it all the time.
Probably. Glasgow "grew up" the same time as NY. The building styles are similar. There's tonnes of art nevau (sic) style architecture. Charles Rennie Mackintosh!
Movies pay for location use, filming here is cheaper than actually using New York for their sequences. This vid's is a few weeks old, they finished that filming a while back (I walked past it a lot).
For sure, but is exponentially easier to do it in a city that looks like NY but isn't nearly as busy or relies so heavily on all the infrastructure being usable at peak times so it costs exponentially less to do and doesn't have nearly as much impact.
Yeah, Liverpool and Manchester also get used for New York locations because they have the right styles and ages of buildings in certain bits of each CITY. Liverpool was recently used as Gotham for the recent Batman and upcoming Clayface spinoff. Manchester was new York in Captain America and Morbius.
I have a vague memory of Spider-Man losing his powers then trying to web-sling (since that's a gadget rather than a power) only to realise that trying to web-sling without super-strength results in his arms just about getting torn off.
Spider-Man's super strength has always been underplayed in the movies except for a few shock value moments sprinkled in. Peter can literally punch a dude's head off his shoulders but he always holds back
Yup, best example is when doc oc took over his body and punched scorpions jaw off because he didnt pull his punch. Thats when doc oc realized how much peter holds back.
This way they also get a reference for the local lighting conditions. Also means the reference footage will actually match the scene he's supposed to be swinging around in, rather than just being generic swinging footage overlaid on top of a city background.
Nah. It'll be "touched up" but mostly background stuff, removing lines/booms/etc. You don't put your people in those kinds of situations, and also set off explosives in a major city, just for "reference." You could do that anywhere.
duhitspollo
Damn that's cool! I want to be there too
shawnemack
SPOILERS!
Just kidding
ItsACrazyWorld
The logistics of that whole thing must be a absolute fucking NIGHTMARE. JFC. Even if the movie turns out bad you got to give the people who make this credit. Also the practical web slinging is so cool.. but fuck that.. I would not trust the integrity of those wires. I think its a absolute crime that it has taken this long for them to put a stunt category in for the oscars...
FlintNorth44
Fuck it. Fuck Disney. I love Spider-man, but I ain't watching this shit. They kissed the orange ring and I'm sick of their shit.
keyblader1985
Man, I can't wait for this. Spidey is my number one superhero.
ongabonga
Amazing. But fuck Marvel and Disney. Don't let them distract you.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
That mobile web slinging rig is pretty sweet and that looks like a ton of fun. Tiring, but fun!
Bigcurly2000
That's awesome, I assumed the web slinging stuff would be fully CGI or at least done on a green screen!
IKindaLikeImgurAlot
Is that Toby? Or Tom?
itrytoonlysaypositivethings
Those filming permits can't be cheap, but good on them for doing that instead of doing it in CG.
Seethreepeeoh
Wee spidey cunt
ultralunar
OP should be JasonM8.
shepahrdjhon
Still boycotting Disney.
anybodyjohn4
AI makes all this seem so archaic now
p4r4noid4ndroid
That has to be one of the funnest stunts in history wheeeeeee
Nephytis
oooo awwweeeee....Jimmy Kimmel still cancelled? Fuck yall.
Rips4w
Nothing I like better than seeing shit before it's finished. I don't wanna be surprised by shit. Give me all of it. Spoil all media.
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
I once took a wrong turn in Manchester and ended up on a Brooklyn Street, they'd redressed part of Ancoates for a movie shoot. It was night, only a few guys on set, no indication that it was a set... I was one confused traveler for a minute. Thought I'd teleported to NYC. There was even an NYC taxi, police car, and school bus.
SarcasticComment
I was once in a temple while a Korean historical drama was set to film. they politely asked me to leave since can't have a westerner hanging out in the wings for that.
CarlBassett
There's a famous story of a movie shoot in Toronto that dressed a street to look like New York. In a break cleaners came in and cleaned up all the trash, so the movie people had to go and put it al back.
eetsumkaus
maybe you did, and the Time Variance Authority just hastily redressed everything to make it look like a TV set so nobody realizes anything is wrong.
henhousefox
I thought ICE finally tried Philly this weekend.
nurmich
I wonder if Tom Holland has to change his name when they're not filming in the Netherlands... I bet that gets expensive. Though, when they return he splits the cost with the studio since they're going Dutch.
RicheTheBuddha
*Rolls eyes*
Ba-dum tish.
Neuronyx
carlitosmatute
*sensible chuckle.gif*
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Current top celeb story: Tom Holland and a stuntman have been rushed to the hospital, Tom has a concussion after a stunt gone wrong.
eion85
Really good to see the practical stunts.
Shame Disney is persona non grata for all freedom loving consumers with their capitulation to the Fascist Trump Regime.
Disney takes about 25% of the profits from standalone Spiderman movies in their agreement with Sony.
etherbunny41
Yo ho, me hearties. Can enjoy the media without payin' for it.
SedatedSl0th
Yo ho. Yo ho.
reichstein
Yarr, it truely is a shame to not sea this one.
Arbitrarynamehere
Aye, matey.
Wuz314159
Killed industry jobs too. https://www.wsj.com/business/media/disneys-marvel-abandons-georgia-taking-livelihoods-with-it-c3bd03c2
mkmac13
I’ll be sad to miss this one, but it as angry as I am at fascists :)
KellyCrazyCatLadyinTraining
Dude, just get gift card to the theater, and use it to book a different show at the same time. Then go into the Spiderman theater. Assigned seating makes this more difficult to do now-a-days, but it’s what you have to do.
eion85
Or you can just wait and buy a used copy of the physical media.
Used copies don't result in any payments to the studio.
UnaccomplishedWatcherImNotaBot
Yo, ho ho,
mkmac13
This made me lol thank you
moreporkruru
I wish people would stop watching fantasies about heroes stopping bad guys, and actually put some effort into stopping real life bad guys.
Babomonkey
That is literally a major appeal of the genre: seeing the bad guys actually get defeated and held accountable.
Colopty
It's possible for people to both enjoy movies and engage in activism, dunno why they need to be presented as mutually exclusive activities.
FlintNorth44
No...it isn't possible. And a world war and civil war is going to make things A LOT less enjoyable for you.
eetsumkaus
wait, are they really making a movie after the last one? I felt like that one left on a good note so we can say "goodbye" to his Spiderman. That makes me disappointed.
cryborg
$1.921 billion
eetsumkaus
and Endgame made $2.8 billion at the time, and yet...
Farreg
Spoiler warning ⚠️
pareidoliaperson
I've never seen these kind of footages from new york. You mean to tell me, new yorkers just don't care anymore??
GorgoZilla
why dont they just cgi the swinging stuff? surely it would be a lot safer.
kirmokum
they do and they will for this as well.
MichelGoussu
So this is just to create references for the cgi animation ? But doesn't it look beautiful as is ?
kirmokum
they'll basically use this to build off of. all the cranes and wires need to be painted out (including all reflections and shadows), city will need to be extended, the whole spiderman suit will need to be replaced, explosions made bigger, smoke denser, etc, etc.
MichelGoussu
painted like..; image by image by a human person? Or algorithmically painted computing nearest background? Do you like your job, by the way (I ask everybody this question).
kirmokum
there's a whole suite of techniques and tools but basically frame by frame by a human person but digitally. roto/paint or prep is a whole dept of it's own. i do like my job even though i complain about it all the time.
WoopDeFrickenDoo
lookit all the stars and stripes, are they going to Glasgow to shoot a location that's supposed to be in the US?
KerryCoder
To be fair, would YOU want to travel to the US these days?
GiddyKipper
Decided not to already… gutted.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Probably. Glasgow "grew up" the same time as NY. The building styles are similar. There's tonnes of art nevau (sic) style architecture. Charles Rennie Mackintosh!
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
And doing scenes there would be MASSIVELY cheaper than trying to do the same thing in New York.
That said, it's kind of admirable that they actually are doing it for real and not just using CGI for everything.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Bet you've never been to Glasgow on a Friday evening. That shit is pretty standard after 11pm
TheVampireDante
Movies pay for location use, filming here is cheaper than actually using New York for their sequences. This vid's is a few weeks old, they finished that filming a while back (I walked past it a lot).
Snarkywisecrack
But you will never get the "I'm walkin' here!" type of improvisation.
BrdCdn
Yep. That's why you'll find Toronto used in American movies so often as a stand in for American cities.
Evenmoreuselessname
Yeah, Spidey should be swinging through the streets of good ol'Toronto, like usual!
thedudeman519
If I had to guess, New York.
eion85
Studios tend to go to where the tax credits are. NYC is notoriously expensive to film in.
skyBASE17
New york has one of, if not the best, tax credits in the country
eion85
And yet still way too expensive for most productions. Expense also comes from the complexity in getting permits and things like that.
Wuz314159
Which is why Marvel built NYC outside of Atlanta.
StellarJay77
And also difficult, time consuming, or all but impossible to get permits to shut down sections of the city during times when filming needs to happen.
eion85
Which is totally the city's choice. It's asking a lot to shut down large parts of a city to film in.
StellarJay77
For sure, but is exponentially easier to do it in a city that looks like NY but isn't nearly as busy or relies so heavily on all the infrastructure being usable at peak times so it costs exponentially less to do and doesn't have nearly as much impact.
eion85
Absolutely understandable
paigezero
Yeah, Liverpool and Manchester also get used for New York locations because they have the right styles and ages of buildings in certain bits of each CITY. Liverpool was recently used as Gotham for the recent Batman and upcoming Clayface spinoff. Manchester was new York in Captain America and Morbius.
cryborg
Stunt performers do not get enough credit.
activeracer28
Neither does the rigging team or set design.
Grimmy32
That's why Fall guy is such a fantastic movie. Paying homage to the stunt actors.
7thor8thcaw
Loved Fall Guy. It didn't get enough attention.
shepahrdjhon
Fall Guy was a great movie highlighting that
GorgoZilla
they get no credit as it is.
thepandasbum
They get their credit vicariously through the main actors though! (Definitely/s)
eion85
They're finally adding an "Achievement in Stunt Design" category to the Oscars for the 2028 awards.
iMcFly
thedudeman519
Jesus that took long enough.
DanielAsparagus
I feel like they should hand out some legacy awards so we know where the bar is at.
eion85
Well, there are other annual awards for stunt work like the Taurus.
DanielAsparagus
I did not know that. Very cool. Will look it up. I’ve never seen watched a film for the hair and makeup.
Colopty
The bar is set in relation to other entries in the same year rather than needing to match or exceed winners from previous years.
ChelVanin
I wonder if that’ll lead to a “gold rush” of movies pushing incredible stunts to get the prize.
FireSolvesProblems
I think it's going to lead to an increase of practical effects.
eion85
That's absolutely a reason for giving as much advanced notice as they did.
dontrike
Tom Cruise will get nominated every year.
RogueAndPeasantSlave
The reason usually given for not doing it yet was because people could die trying to get the award
cryborg
I feel like they should be able to prevent that, but I don't know shit about it really.
eetsumkaus
risk should be negative points, especially now that we have CGI.
Quebeker
Credits are for sci-fi. It’s dollar in the real world. I know what you meant i find they don’t get enough money also.
dontfloatmygoat
They get a shit ton of cash. They do just fine.
Quebeker
I stand corrected
cloudface
I asked some of those guys on set how much they earned. Something like 3-5x what I was earning on set. Gold
ChelVanin
The practical web slinging is so cool
kirmokum
it will almost certainly be painted out and replaced with a digi-double. source: i've done VFX for 2 spoderman movies.
thematman92
Were they the marvel ones or the Sony ones?
kirmokum
homecoming and no way home.
darkusblack
Where can I watch spoderman? Sounds cool.
BoogaYooga
Don't forget to look for might nonkey too
kirmokum
didney+
brianglass10
And makes you realize why he has to be in shape.
etcnotect
I would be shocked if it wasn't a stunt double up there swinging. Can't risk the main actor flying into something.
brianglass10
Oh, yeah, don’t mentioned that. Soon and I posted this comment I read one about Stunt Doubles never getting enough credit and I felt really stupid.
Aksuuuh
I said I want that but my core muscles responded "no"
HaniiPuppy
I have a vague memory of Spider-Man losing his powers then trying to web-sling (since that's a gadget rather than a power) only to realise that trying to web-sling without super-strength results in his arms just about getting torn off.
xRHIN0x
Spider-Man's super strength has always been underplayed in the movies except for a few shock value moments sprinkled in. Peter can literally punch a dude's head off his shoulders but he always holds back
Kozoku808
Yup, best example is when doc oc took over his body and punched scorpions jaw off because he didnt pull his punch. Thats when doc oc realized how much peter holds back.
Smidge204
Genuinely impressed so much of it is actually practical stunts and effects...
Etrigan77
And almost 100% will be replaced with cgi. They just do it practical to get excellent reference.
Smidge204
If all they needed was references they could've swung the guy around on a sound stage.
Colopty
This way they also get a reference for the local lighting conditions. Also means the reference footage will actually match the scene he's supposed to be swinging around in, rather than just being generic swinging footage overlaid on top of a city background.
kirmokum
and to say "we did it for real", lie about the process, and throw the entire VFX dept under the bus all for marketing.
Fait
People hate hearing this, but it happens all the time.
DdCno1
See: Top Gun Maverick as one of the most egregious recent examples.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Nah. It'll be "touched up" but mostly background stuff, removing lines/booms/etc. You don't put your people in those kinds of situations, and also set off explosives in a major city, just for "reference." You could do that anywhere.
kirmokum
not "just reference" but it will basically all be replaced, including the stunt guy/tom holland.