fun fact: Nicolas Cage is a Coppola, he changed his name so he'd get cast on his own merits instead of people trying to curry favor with Francis Ford Coppola
Similarly, the author Joe Hill is Stephen King's son, but when he started getting published, he didn't try to leverage the King name.
Kind of the opposite is James J. Butcher, the son of Jim Butcher. Not only is he using his legal name bit his book covers kind of look like Dresden Files novels. That being said, I still enjoy James J. Butcher's books, but I wish I didn't go into them knowing they where Jim's kid so I could know how much of that enjoyment is not reflected off of his father.
Yeah they got jobs in the field but only after dedicating their lives to steves dream anyway. With their lnowledge and drive theyd stilll be qualified without Steve being famous.
To be fair, it's not quite nepotism in either case. They're all talented at what they do and just happen to be related to other people that do the same thing.
The Baldwins, the Fondas, the Redgraves, the Carradines, the Arquettes, the Bridges', the Douglas', the Chaplins, the Sheens, the Hustons, the Barrymores, the Coppolas, the American Cusacks, the Irish Cusacks, the Derns, the Fishers/Reynolds/Stevens', the Garlands/Minnellis, the Hawn/Hudsons, the Marx Brothers, the (Will) Smiths, the Stillers, the Sutherlands, the Voights and the Wayans'.
I thought nepotism was about wealth and access both, like bosses hiring their children to work in positions they may not even be qualified for, but because they're family they get the job anyway.
great actors, but I'm not sure that's the best definition of nepotism. (not to get political on a non political post, it's just the best example I can think of...) Nepotism is the president of the US hiring his daughter to head a committee on eliminating the practice of nepotism in the federal government.
"Nepotism" has nasty ring to it, but it's honestly just someone getting a leg up, no matter how minor, due to family ties.
In common parlance it's used as shorthand for "someone undeserving/unqualified got hired/became successful because of their family connections," but that's not what the word really means. Even though the Skarsgård brothers all skilled and accomplished actors, being "Stellan's kids" is guaranteed to have helped in one way or another, which is, by definition, nepotism.
Nepotism is any instance of you having advantage or favor due to your familial ties. If you landing a job/position was in anyway influenced because a relative's power/influence that is by definition nepotism.
If you audition for an acting role and the director/producer goes "hey arent you so and so's brother/sister/son/daughter/niece/nephew I've worked with them before they're great" chances are your relative just influenced that job offer and you have benefited from nepotism.
No nepotism is being given a job by a family member. If an actor auditions to a non family member and gets the role that isn't nepotism regardless of their last name.
So you're comfortable calling Carrie Fisher a nepo-baby? Liza Minelli? Jamie Lee Curtis? Isabella Rossellini?! JACK QUAID? WILLOW SMI- oh wait sorry I might have got carried away here.
They likely had a chance to prove their worth because they were someone's relative. There are so many talented people who will never get that first chance. Not all nepo babies are without their own merit, nepotism just got them their chance.
Yes, you make an excellent reference to the 3rd or 4th definition of nepotism. But it also includes "based on the relationship not merit". They are all very good actors, so not having merit might be a tough argument. But you're right, if Bill gets a job because Larry worked with Stellen, that is indeed a form of nepotism. Maybe nepotism-lite, or nepotism once removed. Thank you for making me think.
It becomes difficult to define in industries that are small and close-knit where everybody knows everybody (or knows of pretty much everybody). Are people getting jobs based on merit, or because somebody knows somebody? What do you call it when it's a little bit of both? I.e. they merited the opportunity, but the relationship helped? In some ways, actors who are children/nieces/nephews/siblings of other successful actors can't get work without it being nepotism to some extent.
Dennis Quaid is one of those actors who I used to really appreciate... It was a sad day when I heard some of his political commentary etc... yeah, not a fan anymore.
I mean I wouldn't say I was a FAN of how Drew Barrymore's career started... I'm a fan of how she survived. But I wouldn't wish that childhood on anyone.
The Thor movies were a weird series of ups and downs, where Thor seemed to get progressively dumber with each sequel. I am not sure why they kept Cap and Iron Man so close to their comic book versions, but made Thor into a himbo.
I genuinely think this is because Chris Hemsworth is his actor. Not that he's dumb or anything, but he has lovable dumb puppy vibes and after the first movie they start writing FOR the actors, so they keep falling further and further down that rabbit hole.
I don't think he was really a Himbo until Love and Thunder, which was baaad. Marvel completely misunderstood why he became so popular in the recent movies.
He was very much an immature child in the first two movies. Cocky. Arrogant. Naive.
Ragnarok was just a much goofier movie, but he was also dealing with the loss of his father. So he was basically a young adult dealing with loss. His arc in Infinity War/End Game expanded on that. Imagine a 20- something dealing with trauma.
That is another thing that bothered me. In the Avengers movies, he's often depicted as more calm and intelligent. It was like seeing two different Thors.
Yeah. That one feels less like nepotism and more like one incredibly theatrically gifted family. Nepotism tends to feel more like somebody getting an undeserved leg up. That whole family fucking nails their roles.
Nepotism isn't necessarily a negative thing. We view it as such, because it is very easy to see how it screws things up, and rightfully so, but just because the results end up positive, doesn't make it not nepotism.
Well, if my father was a world famous actor, chances are it would be a little bit easier for me to make it as an actor, even if I would have been incredibly talented either way.
The episodes are SO SHORT. There's a long intro credits sequence and an even longer end credits sequence, so you end up with like 15 minutes of show in between
Yeah I loved the show but it really suffered from the short episodes. Now that all episodes are out it's probably much better but if they make a season 2 I hope they get longer episodes
Yeah, I don't think anything was cut for time from the book, pretty sure they actually added stuff that wasn't there, like the scenes of the bots getting built. Next few books were short, too, so I don't have high hopes for longer episodes in season 2
I haven't read the book, but I feel like they could have halved the number of episodes and essentially put two episodes together to make them longer. Watching it week to week was annoying because it felt like the episode had just started, and then it ended again.
I just don't like how TV Murderbot is somehow way more sociable with yet also more contemptuous of humans. Also the wild non-canon twists in the last episode were unnecessary.
Still not as eBooks. At least in the stores I frequent (not Amazon, I refuse having to use Kindle & having all of my bought items controlled by Amazon)
Nightcaste
Are they making the casting decisions? I'm not sure this counts as nepotism if they aren't
Invisibleman1921
This family is unfairly talented.
They might not always be in the best movies, but they give a great performance.
sightlab
Jamie Lee Curtis
doctorId
Alexander's imdb profile pic
Shovi
Poor guy can't even afford pantaloons.
rshini
fun fact: Nicolas Cage is a Coppola, he changed his name so he'd get cast on his own merits instead of people trying to curry favor with Francis Ford Coppola
captapathy
Then how the fuck did he get hired if it was on his own merits?
nikinnorge
Yeah, changes his name... im sure that made the whole of Hollywood treat him like a total newcomer when they all went to the same schools and parties.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Similarly, the author Joe Hill is Stephen King's son, but when he started getting published, he didn't try to leverage the King name.
Kind of the opposite is James J. Butcher, the son of Jim Butcher. Not only is he using his legal name bit his book covers kind of look like Dresden Files novels. That being said, I still enjoy James J. Butcher's books, but I wish I didn't go into them knowing they where Jim's kid so I could know how much of that enjoyment is not reflected off of his father.
RoscoeDeBoscoe
Jason Schwartzman is Nick Cage's cousin, iirc, but definitely also a Coppola
LarvaLamp
Also Eddie Murphy
nikinnorge
Eddie Murphy is a Coppola!
Telemapus
Honestly I think he's the best example of the point OP is trying to make.
TCooley79
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlbWtzMWl1YTBvMWMwaGdubnZ0Z3BmNHNoNXY5djUzODQxODR1bWZpZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/6LFCug4VDMOwyV4P3M/giphy.mp4
linexnewt
hazelnuts4peace
Tom Morello's Grandson slays.
stoots24
Stephen King and Joe Hill?
lozeldatkm
I respect when people like Joe Hill or Nicolas Cage deliberately decide not to use their birth name to leech off their better known relative's fame.
stoots24
Lol can you imagine reading a book by someone name "Joe King?"
lozeldatkm
Or just meeting him in real life. "You must be Joe King!" "No, I'm dead serious..."
Drcheekibreeki10
Gustaf was the best Floki.
Tomigami
If I learned anything from watching Poker Face, it's that everyone is a Skarsgard
anitabieror6
maya rudolph, sean astin, clint howard... thats all i got right now. id say bryce dallas howard and miley cyrus but i dont care for them
MaybeIllDisappear
Steve Irwin's family
willisrock
That was earned.
SacrificialClam
Yessss
Ranos17
Not quite nepotism, more akin to having a legacy imo
Talbotous
Yeah they got jobs in the field but only after dedicating their lives to steves dream anyway. With their lnowledge and drive theyd stilll be qualified without Steve being famous.
Dedmunkey
Right that! That is one of the few famous persons to pass that made me a bit sad. My entire family is a huge fan of that guy.
Eldibs
To be fair, it's not quite nepotism in either case. They're all talented at what they do and just happen to be related to other people that do the same thing.
NoneOfYoBiseniss
Van Helsing's
Bunnies007
The Baldwins, the Fondas, the Redgraves, the Carradines, the Arquettes, the Bridges', the Douglas', the Chaplins, the Sheens, the Hustons, the Barrymores, the Coppolas, the American Cusacks, the Irish Cusacks, the Derns, the Fishers/Reynolds/Stevens', the Garlands/Minnellis, the Hawn/Hudsons, the Marx Brothers, the (Will) Smiths, the Stillers, the Sutherlands, the Voights and the Wayans'.
p7zjnq9gei9000
That’s not nepotism, but they are an a very talented family.
247Lurker
All independent and awesome. There not casting each other, right?
MrWobblyHead
*They're, the contraction of 'they are'
247Lurker
bananabonanza3
Sam Reich and Robert Reich!
Maulbert
That's not nepotism! He's been there the whole time!
Telemapus
Is it just the two Reichs or is there a third?
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Not since The Incident.
sightlab
I did not see that coming
IIikethecutofyourjib
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cXV3OWRlNzhiOGNoaHNvcmlheXJieDFremhsNTltbzh1bTJvbnY2YiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/l0MYrR7EqMWLmzL9K/200w.webp
Arbitrarynamehere
So nice of him to get his father a spot in the Obama admin
bigby4sheriff
People wouldn’t be so salty if they were a family of shoe makers
Telemapus
"Why do they all promote themselves as individual shoe designers? All the damn shoes look the same!"
maliciousGman
Shovi
Calm down murderbot.
LoopStricken
Oh, that's why Murderbot looked familiar.
rpsjameskelly2000
Pretty sure I've seen all of their junks. That fam hates clothes
MaleProstateMilker88
That comes naturally when you're Nordic.
Penetrecia
Europeans have no issues with being nude, it's mostly an American idea as far as modesty goes.
Shmick
Brit here. We don’t condone public nudity either, it ruins our tea and scones
photodepiction
Though compared to the USA the Brits are still pretty easy going about it.
Littledirtybirdyfeet
I know he was cooky, but I had a thing for Floki
MsMolly
Always updoot Floki
Isaveimages
That's exactly why we had a thing for Floki.
MaleProstateMilker88
I thought nepotism was about wealth and access both, like bosses hiring their children to work in positions they may not even be qualified for, but because they're family they get the job anyway.
Unindoctrinated
Stellan, Alexander, Gustaf, and Bill. Where's Valter?
TooSoonOldTooLateSmart
Peter in Green Lantern (2011)
Bunnies007
He's just popped out for coffee and doughnuts.
StNickCage
Where's Valdo?
meteorfall
Vhere's Valdo?
JohnCheshirsky
Vill Valdo vear vigs?
StNickCage
Ves
LawFiveGuy
great actors, but I'm not sure that's the best definition of nepotism. (not to get political on a non political post, it's just the best example I can think of...) Nepotism is the president of the US hiring his daughter to head a committee on eliminating the practice of nepotism in the federal government.
Cataleast
"Nepotism" has nasty ring to it, but it's honestly just someone getting a leg up, no matter how minor, due to family ties.
In common parlance it's used as shorthand for "someone undeserving/unqualified got hired/became successful because of their family connections," but that's not what the word really means. Even though the Skarsgård brothers all skilled and accomplished actors, being "Stellan's kids" is guaranteed to have helped in one way or another, which is, by definition, nepotism.
ExplodingPortaPotty
Nepotism is any instance of you having advantage or favor due to your familial ties. If you landing a job/position was in anyway influenced because a relative's power/influence that is by definition nepotism.
If you audition for an acting role and the director/producer goes "hey arent you so and so's brother/sister/son/daughter/niece/nephew I've worked with them before they're great" chances are your relative just influenced that job offer and you have benefited from nepotism.
aholloway199111
No nepotism is being given a job by a family member. If an actor auditions to a non family member and gets the role that isn't nepotism regardless of their last name.
Telemapus
So you're comfortable calling Carrie Fisher a nepo-baby? Liza Minelli? Jamie Lee Curtis? Isabella Rossellini?! JACK QUAID? WILLOW SMI- oh wait sorry I might have got carried away here.
ArchaeoEejit
Yes.
LawFiveGuy
+1 for the overall sentiment. I wish I could give another +1 for Willow Smi-
textilelover
They likely had a chance to prove their worth because they were someone's relative. There are so many talented people who will never get that first chance. Not all nepo babies are without their own merit, nepotism just got them their chance.
LawFiveGuy
Yes, you make an excellent reference to the 3rd or 4th definition of nepotism. But it also includes "based on the relationship not merit". They are all very good actors, so not having merit might be a tough argument. But you're right, if Bill gets a job because Larry worked with Stellen, that is indeed a form of nepotism. Maybe nepotism-lite, or nepotism once removed. Thank you for making me think.
ArchaeoEejit
Or just nepotism.
TakeAChillPill16
It becomes difficult to define in industries that are small and close-knit where everybody knows everybody (or knows of pretty much everybody). Are people getting jobs based on merit, or because somebody knows somebody? What do you call it when it's a little bit of both? I.e. they merited the opportunity, but the relationship helped? In some ways, actors who are children/nieces/nephews/siblings of other successful actors can't get work without it being nepotism to some extent.
DrForester
Jack Quaid.
TheGriffin
Hes a treasure, aware of how he got his breaks, and still a great actor
bananabonanza3
Jack Quaid is a treasure, Dennis Quaid is a cunt
LadyNetrex
That is very disappointing. He's great in movies.
CirB
Dennis Quaid is one of those actors who I used to really appreciate... It was a sad day when I heard some of his political commentary etc... yeah, not a fan anymore.
rbudrick
Randy is extra cunty.
DrForester
Yes, but Jack thankfully took after his mom, who is still a national treasure.
Carr0t
Is he another one who went MAGA?
bananabonanza3
Oh yeah. He played Reagan, another MAGA icon in that movie a minute ago
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Endorsed Trump. Same as Randy.
SlyMrFox
Seriously? He knows Randy yet supports who he supports? Crazy.
VictusVonGuyver
A shame too. I liked Randy as a kid and he did such strange fun movies... And now he's just a MAGA tool and a Reagan related icon now.
MadamPuddifoot
Quaid Army!
LNRO
Righteous kill
apollo1983
Please Don't Destroy and Dakota Johnson. Nepo Truce "A foot in the door and so much more."
bikergeek6249
The Barrymores. People forget that Drew comes from a long line of actors.
SpiderTrike2000
What about Michael ?
LoopStricken
Nice to see you...
SpiderTrike2000
To see you nice..
Telemapus
I mean I wouldn't say I was a FAN of how Drew Barrymore's career started... I'm a fan of how she survived. But I wouldn't wish that childhood on anyone.
MCTMCT
Zanzetuken
What my neighbors see when I step out to retrieve my Amazon package after shutting myself away for 3 weeks
Sticklebrickk
Not wearing pants helps him think.
Bunnies007
He looks like he's in need of a succulent Chinese meal.
Devlosirrus
THIS IS DEMOCRRRACY, MANIFEST
LincLoud
Thor: The Dark World
Illinifan88
The one part of that movie worth watching.
LincLoud
The Thor movies were a weird series of ups and downs, where Thor seemed to get progressively dumber with each sequel. I am not sure why they kept Cap and Iron Man so close to their comic book versions, but made Thor into a himbo.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
I genuinely think this is because Chris Hemsworth is his actor. Not that he's dumb or anything, but he has lovable dumb puppy vibes and after the first movie they start writing FOR the actors, so they keep falling further and further down that rabbit hole.
MechKelly
Taika Waititi is my guess. He directed the 3rd and 4th Thor movies and tried to force a bunch of silliness into them.
LincLoud
Which is why I have mixed feelings about him being handed Dredd
Illinifan88
I don't think he was really a Himbo until Love and Thunder, which was baaad. Marvel completely misunderstood why he became so popular in the recent movies.
He was very much an immature child in the first two movies. Cocky. Arrogant. Naive.
Ragnarok was just a much goofier movie, but he was also dealing with the loss of his father. So he was basically a young adult dealing with loss. His arc in Infinity War/End Game expanded on that. Imagine a 20- something dealing with trauma.
LincLoud
That is another thing that bothered me. In the Avengers movies, he's often depicted as more calm and intelligent. It was like seeing two different Thors.
idiotsonfire
That movie has my favorite quote in the MCU.
Sticklebrickk
"Meow meow!"
idiotsonfire
"There's nothing more reassuring than understanding that the universe is crazier than you are."
Glitchoff
MechKelly
"I had a god in my head, I wouldn't recommend it."
CouldntCakeLess
Every single one is worth a theatre visit.
pilomotor
What movies are those? I only recognize the clown from It.
CouldntCakeLess
1. PotC At World's End / 2. Legend of Tarzan / 3. Vikings (Show)
SenselessSentiments
I recognize the top left (Stellan) from HBO's miniseries Chernobyl, but not sure if that's a picture from it.
(Chernobyl is an amazing watch though)
vidmagnuson
Pretty sure it's just a headshot. Left column appear to be all headshots, right column are all roles.
CouldntCakeLess
Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End
zzxcvb
He's been a in lot. Andor, Dune, Marvel of Marvels Thor properties, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, Mama Mia, Hunt for Red October, Good Will Hunting
HeadJamistan
Rofl I love that it could be Chernobyl.
Sageypie
Yeah. That one feels less like nepotism and more like one incredibly theatrically gifted family. Nepotism tends to feel more like somebody getting an undeserved leg up. That whole family fucking nails their roles.
mechscientist
Nepotism isn't necessarily a negative thing.
We view it as such, because it is very easy to see how it screws things up, and rightfully so, but just because the results end up positive, doesn't make it not nepotism.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
*cough* Will Smith's kids *cough*
shankelstoff
Well, if my father was a world famous actor, chances are it would be a little bit easier for me to make it as an actor, even if I would have been incredibly talented either way.
JayDeeDubs
sonomarco
Martha Wells books provides great source material.
aThingWithAKeyboard
Unwatchable
JayDeeDubs
PocketCleric
Did the books habe nepotism, or is this one of those 'use a gif to say people are bad'
TheSecondPiewackit
No, the guy in the helmet is a Skarsgard. 2nd one down.
PocketCleric
Oh, nive. I might have to watch the show now. Loved to books, was unsure about the show
Nexus297
I
Jonmbram
Yaaaaaaaaa
SoberAndBored
The episodes are SO SHORT. There's a long intro credits sequence and an even longer end credits sequence, so you end up with like 15 minutes of show in between
aThingWithAKeyboard
Downloading them and stitching together a single film is pretty trivial
SIDSOS
Yeah I loved the show but it really suffered from the short episodes. Now that all episodes are out it's probably much better but if they make a season 2 I hope they get longer episodes
DimwitF
To be fair, the book has only 160 pages.
Jelhammer
Yeah, I don't think anything was cut for time from the book, pretty sure they actually added stuff that wasn't there, like the scenes of the bots getting built. Next few books were short, too, so I don't have high hopes for longer episodes in season 2
SIDSOS
I haven't read the book, but I feel like they could have halved the number of episodes and essentially put two episodes together to make them longer. Watching it week to week was annoying because it felt like the episode had just started, and then it ended again.
DimwitF
Oh for sure, they're like "80s sitcom" short but without the ads in between.
If you can get hold of the books, highly recommended!
Zuegma197777
I need to see this.. Ive read the 3 book series... I never thought of seeing it as a comedy.
JayDeeDubs
I'm pretty sure there's more than 3 books in the series, and found them pretty funny myself
Noogys
so surprisingly good
Mugendramon
The books were great and 90% of Apple shows are great, so mark me less surprised
cytherians
I wasn't going to see it, but now... seems like I have to give it a shot. 😏
brainkandle1
It's awesome. He hates humans but is 99% of the way to being one
causality
A lot different than the books though. Personally I like the books better.
Mugendramon
I disagree. Some changes are redundant, but overall, very similar to the book.
CirB
Books are pretty good, but IMO I feel the (visual) worldbuilding works better in the series.
And the books are irritating at how they're pretty much pamphlet-lenght, but publishers are asking for a full hardback prices (even for ebooks)
vanderzee
there is a simple solution to those unfair prices
causality
I just don't like how TV Murderbot is somehow way more sociable with yet also more contemptuous of humans. Also the wild non-canon twists in the last episode were unnecessary.
danwhitey
I enjoyed both. I just wish show was longer. Just take two books and run them together.
JayDeeDubs
You can get the books in much more reasonably priced per page collections now. And the last two are full novel lengths
CirB
Still not as eBooks. At least in the stores I frequent (not Amazon, I refuse having to use Kindle & having all of my bought items controlled by Amazon)