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https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/07/09/woman-faces-year-prison/
worldsokayestspeler
Imagine having such little dick energy that you, and armed cop, admit to being fearful of an unarmed 19yo girl
dogsshouldruletheworld
IAlwaysUpvoteSexy
Has a gun and is willing to use it on someone wielding a subway sandwich, but high heels intimidate him.
BSwann
Bruh you ever see someone hit with a Stiletto that shit will do some damage.
Italipino
I've actually been to this town. This post is probably the most attention little Panguitch has ever seen. Also, that cop is a little bitch.
BootsDusty
WhatTheDormouseSaid
maststick
If you carry a gun and taser and you feel threatened by a woman crushing a sign, I’d say you don’t get to carry a gun and a taser anymore
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
I carry a firearm, ive got a license to carry in my state. Know what scares me? Sharks, bears, things that directly threaten my life, not1/2
3RsReadingRitingRithmatic
A lady stomping on some bootlicker sign. Back the blue and thin blue line stuff is garbage. Bring on the police reform! 2/2
itsallinyourhead
The issue here isn’t about the flag, it’s about the smirk. Never. Smirk. At. A. Primate. It’s a sign of aggression.
Nnoodles
A reasonable judge would see fit to do this, but a reasonable prosecutor wouldn't let it go to court. A reasonable officer tho this is not.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
Office≠reasonable
Vegaspimp22
For real. Facts
TheBishopofBanterbury
Woman? She was 19. This guy had no honor and doesn't belong in any position of power.
becauseurwrong
I mean, it may seem like a kid to us but she's legally a woman. Cop is still a cowardly weasel tho.
KevlarKobra
NO. If you Consider the fact that you are carrying a gun and taser when faced with an unarmed woman threatening you, THEN is when you don't/
KevlarKobra
get to carry a gun and taser anymore.
WowSoSparkly
but she smirked! menacingly!
Heisanevilgenius
And she was making furtive movements!
RevolutionOnHerLips
Watch me do a hate crime: ?
sjbrooksy7447
Sounds like she might have a nice chance at a lawsuit.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Too bad she'll immediately have to move out of town, or spend the rest of her life being harassed by the Thin Blue Line.
therealsarahconnor
So unfortunately true.
welcometothedystopia
Smirking in an intimidating manner? Officer Karen Snowflake everyone
thedudeman519
I mean we all know he said it to trump up nonsense charges. But how the fuck could anyone not just laugh him out of the station .
jrntn
Because ACAB.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
Good to know that at least now cops won't smirk at anyone either
Italipino
Lol as if the law applies to cops in the same way it applied to the rest of us.
Georgetheimp
As soon as you get read your rights shut the fuck up. Don’t say a word. The cop is going to manipulate you.
brotherbuzz
Always SHUT THE FUCK UP!
LCPLunderground
Wrong. STFU well before. They rarely have to read Miranda if they know what they’re doing.
Fatbird
Correct. Miranda means they are arresting you. If they're arresting you, there's an infinitesimal chance they don't already have shit on you
th3guy
Never talk to a police officer under any circumstances.
PizzaStation
"I won't answer any questions until I have an attorney present." Then STFU
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
Those lazy cunts don't actually want to do their job finding actual suspects so getting anyone to admit guilt is good enough
kolr
DdCno1
Who are these guys?
MrHappySmiles
They’re the shut the fuck up lawyers. They propose a strong message. Often too strong for people to follow..
FuckThatUsernameIsTaken
what is the message of shut the fuck up laweyers ?
MAN9000
Be respectful. Follow their directions. I'm not discussing my day. Am I being detained? Shut the fuck up.
OptimisticSchrodinger
Khanmots
According to a *wonderful* court decision (Salinas v. Texas), in some cases you have to state you're exercising your right to remain silent.
OptimisticSchrodinger
No worries, I have the “shut the fuck up Friday” video saved. I’ll just play them the video.
soupiswhatitsoundslikewhenyoueatsoup
The paranoid part of my thinking says that it would be better to record the audio of the entire encounter, including this statement.
aggressivelysouthern
At this point that's a pretty solid plan.
jotchy
I plead the 5th or I’m exercising my right to remain silent, otherwise your silence can be used as a confession of guilt.
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datphone777365
Try salinas v texas
dudepool22
My momma taught me well. "I want a lawyer" and say nothing more. Can't hold what you say against you if ya don't speak
Georgetheimp
I am not discussing my day.
Khanmots
According to a *wonderful* court decision, you have to state you're excerisizing your right to remain silent.
reallynotbob
This needs unpacking. (1) the constitutional right is against being forced to witness against yourself; conduct is ordinarily separate 1/
reallynotbob
(2) custodial questioning —ie under arrest—is “compelled” so the right protects; no special claim of the right is needed; (3) you have to 2/
reallynotbob
assert the right if you want the questioning to stop, or if you want a lawyer; (4) non-custodial questioning is free game for the cops up 3/
Khanmots
Explicitly exercising your right can't be used against you. Just staying silent though when questioned, that can be.
Khanmots
or for a layman's explanation scroll down a bit at: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-how-invoke-your-right-silence.html
dudepool22
Learn new things every day thank you all.
JustAnotherRandomStranger
So in USA i have the right to remain silent, but if i do remain silent, i will get punished for it?
Khanmots
Salinas v. Texas, 133 S. Ct. 2174 (2013)
truthsmiles
Reading between the lines, it seems the “crime” they’re going to get her with is stealing the flag. The other stuff will drop I think.
macthelost
Wrongful arrest case there. Hope she wins.
btomaioan
Yeap, it's just a charge, likely a decent judge will throw it out
amk1031
I thought a hate crime required crime against a protected class. It couldn’t just be a random person.
thedudeman519
Police are a protected class
venomlash
Technically any random person is part of a protected class. But being a police officer isn't one of them.
elethomel
this incident seems to smell more like proto-fascism than police state but eh close enough
EmptyHouseBurglar
I imagine she wasn't armed. Real scary to an armed police officer. It's not a fucking effigy.
nalananda
Gettin pretty blurry
RocketrySurgeon
America has been fascist for a while mate
ElbowDeepInUserSub
Fascism wants a police state. The police state is the functional result. Fascism is the motivating purpose.
NotaCPA
they're not one and the same but you need one to have the other.
ArcaneConjecture
It's only "Police State" if it comes from the Österreich/Bayern regions of Europe. Otherwise it's just sparkling fascism.
dawr136
Nothing proto about it. European fascism did this sort of thing in the prewar stages.
itzJasonOP
That's what I was going to say. This IS fascism.
hitdog42
Same thng
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
A police state is the onramp to fascism.
FuzzyX
I seem to recall that a desecration of a flag was allowed under the first amendment
barnflop
Don’t be like that
ThePretentiousGentleman
Get rid of the proto part. It’s just fascism.
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smoovejazz
If any communist scum wants to fuck, however, I'm available.
hitdog42
Dtsmop: down to seize the means of production
idiotcube
Must be difficult to go through life not knowing what words mean.
kissmine2000
Fuck off you nazi cunt.
AtomIndigo
Post on your main you pussy.
InfocalypseRising
I mean, kinda the same thing
elethomel
na a police state doesn't imply or require a simpering and adoring general public that loves to lick boots
RednapxpandeR
Good way to put it
DarkZalgo
This. It's similar, but it's authoritarian (fascism) instead of totalitarian (police state)
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Fascism usually tends towards totalitarianism
DarkZalgo
I think typically it starts authoritarian and ends up going totalitarian.
FatherAlexanderAnderson
And I thank you for that clarification, because honestly I wasn't able to see the difference.
vegivamp
Proto?
JohnPtempkinReborn
the beginning stages or early formation but not yet the real/full thing yet (e.g. a fetus is a proto-baby and baby is a proto-adult)
vegivamp
I'm aware of the meaning, I was questioning it's use in the context.
JohnPtempkinReborn
I would say same. Proto-fascism describes the rise / early stages of fascism (not late stage, wartime, deathcamps that we recognize easily)
JohnPtempkinReborn
Something along the lines of this. (holocaust museum, never again, early warning signs)
vegivamp
Hoe long would you say it needs to be going on before it is so ingrained in the system that it's no longer in the early stages?
WhatTheDormouseSaid
BaconAlmighty
this can get you shot.
WhatTheDormouseSaid
I know, how pathetic is that?
bigkingdingaling
That's amazing that they line up in perfect order, but fuck you for joining the 6 color rainbow club. There's 7 colors damnit!!
thedudeman519
R O Y G B I V !
BaconAlmighty
BELL BIV DEVOE
SisterMidnight
WhatTheDormouseSaid
That is correct
FatherAlexanderAnderson
If burning the American flag is considered free speech, then burning that piece of shit flag is perfectly fine.
TormentedPenguin
if you owned it. she didn't own it, it was someone else's.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
It was given away for free so has no actual value.
RevolutionOnHerLips
I agree but it's still not a hate crime.
FatherAlexanderAnderson
And if I get arrested for it, I'll be going to jail twice.
gaidinbdj
Burning *your* flag is free speech. Burning someone else's flag is a crime.
KevynDietz
So the worst you should get is petty theft and/or vandalism.
gaidinbdj
It's typically arson. The inherent danger in burning something over merely defacing or stealing it is considered more serious.
GravyEducation
Assuming you mean someone else's flag to mean their property and not the flag they identify with, yes
gaidinbdj
It's a flag. It's a physical object. What anybody "identifies with" is irrelevant.
GravyEducation
I think we're agreeing here. I could buy a Mozambican flag and torch it if I wanted. But I'm not going to burn someone else's. I'm not 1/
GravyEducation
big into property damage
FatherAlexanderAnderson
I'll tell you this though, if I ever see a Nazi flag or a Confederate flag I'll burn it and do the time. Well, pay the fine more than likely
TheIrishman35
The question is would you be charged with a hate crime or targeting a specific group of people?
FatherAlexanderAnderson
I have no idea.
gaidinbdj
Like this case, it would depend on the phrasing of the state statute. Some limit the types of groups protected by hate crime laws, but...
gaidinbdj
..., in general, if you specifically target any group and run around burning their stuff, it's going to be at least some kind of enhancment.
KevynDietz
Hate crimes are crimes committed due to immutable characteristics of the vic. Since no one is born a Nazi it doesn't qualify as a hate crime
gaidinbdj
Not all hate crime statutes requires immutable characteristics. Notably, religion and disability are typically covered. Neither are...
asalleer
no one is born a police officer, yet she is being charged with a hate crime
GravyEducation
If you buy a flag and want to burn it, go for it. As long as it's not a fire hazard.
FatherAlexanderAnderson
Seems like a waste of money though for a very fleeting statement.
overthrowthegovernment
It is. I burn a flag annually on july 4th with some friends. Ends up being about $10
GravyEducation
So's fireworks on the 4th of July. You'll find both in America
FatherAlexanderAnderson
I'm not going to argue that point whatsoever.
ironman3010
That cop is a cowardly POS! They should staple that BS report to his back for life. "Arrested a woman for looking at me menacingly".
PizzaStation
He wasn't afraid. He saw an opportunity to ruin the life of someone who wouldn't lick his boots by using a shitty, vaguely written law.
PizzaStation
Ha, the bootlickers have shown up to downvote.
ButtersTheCat
Hate crime? Police aren't a protected group. And pretty sure destroying a sign is protected 1st amendment speech.
sleepinggreenidea
The Utah law is a hate crime law in name only. It doesn't even bring group identity into it - it's all about intent/potential to intimidate.
ButtersTheCat
So it's legal to burn a flag, but you can't be "intimidating" about it? Isn't that kind of subjective?
sleepinggreenidea
It's subjective but it only would apply if it WAS illegal to burn the flag. The law makes doing a crime "intimidatingly" an additional crime
sleepinggreenidea
That part is consistent with hate crime laws - they're meant to make punishments for other crimes more severe, not to criminalize non-crimes
ButtersTheCat
So where's the acceptable line between "destruction of property" and "flag burning", presuming she acquired the sign legally? I don't see it
StewedTomaters
Agreed, the only thing that might stick is damage to property. How are they going to figure out who she stole it from? It's not like people
StewedTomaters
are going to come forward and cry "thief!" because one of these blew off their lawn or some shit.
sleepinggreenidea
Given how the Utah law is written, the key point IS the property damage - if she can't be shown to have destroyed someone else's property,
sleepinggreenidea
the "hate crime" statute can't apply.
StewedTomaters
That's what I'm thinking. Which makes all of this seem like it's political theater to drag this young woman through the mud for protesting.
sleepinggreenidea
Yeah, that BS is common. LE very often arrests protestors & then releases them w/o charges. The point is to disrupt protest & send a message
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
So tax dollars are apparently being used to produce back the blue signs. We're all good with that, right?
Muzzledreaper
And what will we do about it? WHINGE ON IMGUR!
skapanda616
Not even a little bit ok with that.
WhatTheDormouseSaid
Absolutely the fuck not.
BootsDusty
Farbrook
So, the Fort Wayne PD is stipulating that they are all racists?
Dreigiau
Look at the twitter handle and guess what the rest of "Par..." is in the name
WhatTheDormouseSaid
SpamYarBlockers
Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire
Dreigiau
Parody account
BioGoji1989
Wait, so... are they ACKNOWLEDGING that their officers are racists?
TheIrishman35
Its a parody account.
BioGoji1989
Oh.
PeakExponent
The name has Parody in it, and the @ includes Unreal. It is a joke account.
BioGoji1989
I couldn't see the whole word. Parody is cut off at the "Par" part in the screenshot.
pyr0kid
it litterally says "unreal"
N0S4A2
kJerAFK
I laugh-wheezed
Ifacatsbuttholeisonly2inchesoffthegroundwhyisitalwaysateyelevel
But that's a novelty flag....
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
https://action.aclu.org/give/now
Klaxun
It's a desecrated flag. Our flag does not have a blue line on it.
vegivamp
I don't think it's black and white, either...
thealmightywalrus420
Close, desecration would be painting a blue line on an American flag, making a new flag that's similar isn't the same thing.1/2
thealmightywalrus420
Like you can make a t-shirt with the image of a flag on it, but you can't make a shirt *out of* a flag.
DustyMcKnuckles
Careful. Trying to explain what people choose to be willfully ignorant about hurts the fake internet points! Ohno!!
Shiznit007
You not supposed to change our actual country flag
ThrobbingThroatCoater
The patriotically correct crowd is woefully ignorant of flag code.
DustyMcKnuckles
That cop is a cowardly prick, but Id like to give you correct info cuz knowledge is power. The thin blue line is not desecration, like an
DustyMcKnuckles
American flag swimsuit is not desecration. Theyd have to take a regulation, flying grade flag and paint blue on it for it to be out of regs
DustyMcKnuckles
But those are just regs for official functions. Theres no authority police have, to do anything to anyone about that. Which is why this is
DustyMcKnuckles
such fucking bullshit. She could stomp on Old Glory and the 1st amendment protects that right. Fuck that cop. Little fucking whelp.
candyland83
It was for destroying someone else’s property, not for destroying a flag. I agree that it’s bullshit, but facts are important
thelocalcorner
What if it was a flag for any other kind of movement?
Magavyn
You already have people being charged with hate crimes for stomping on pride flags and such so it was only a matter of time for this one.
Tumescentpie
Other than the racist movement that the thin blue line flag represents? Why are you trying to make this about something other than it is?
thelocalcorner
Its not? Literally only this site has determined that flag as racist, literally any other modern flag this site would be applauding the guy
Tumescentpie
Only this site? You are an idiot. Stop being an idiot. I'm not a website I'm a person.
P0werSurg3
Then they still shouldn't be arrested for it but we can still judge them a dick based on their values, depending on the movement.
thelocalcorner
Any flag besides the obv, nazi/confederate flags yall would applaud the officer.
gorillaClutch
So your saying she should have burned it instead to dispose of it per flag code
LurkerOfDarkness
It has no more special status than your supermarkets sign announcing a sale on watermelons.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
It is important to a lot of people in ways that provoke strong varied emotions. Sounds like it's achieved a special status.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
It if hasn't, then she never would have used it to harass the cop.
LurkerOfDarkness
Just because some people like it doesn't automatically grant it any special status.
rollerskateorgies
Ok but this watermelon sale... Where?
LurkerOfDarkness
Well I know føtex has organic ones on sale for 20 DKK ...
MountainRedbeard
Crap, you made me realize I forgot to buy a watermelon. I was literally JUST at the store!
LurkerOfDarkness
Sorry. But the store is still there tomorrow...
IsendDickPicsIfYouAskNicely
Water mah looone
gorillaClutch
I know I was trying to be sarcastic
BarryTheCyborg
No it's a bastardized version of the flag that shouldn't see the light of day. #ACAB
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
Imagine somebody stomping a black lives matter sign while engaging in behavior to intimidate a black person. What would you think then?
Hawkofnight
Same thing. People are apes.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
Stomping on something that represents the protection of a people is a hate crime. Everybody's reaching to victimize but missing the point
BarryTheCyborg
If you have a gun, taser, pepper spray, baton, etc. And take that as a threat, you're a pussy and shouldn't have any of those things.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
You don't have to feel threatened for it to be a hate crime!
Rhino4
Your straw man is made of straw.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
Your ignorance is as dense as a black hole
TheOtherBoleynGirl
Not at all the same thing. Black people are born that way and can't change it. Cops choose to be assholes.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
Nothing about that makes it not a hate crime.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
The people are doing the same thing. What the people are titled as, declared as or the color of their skin... it doesn't matter.
sjbrooksy7447
I don't think there was a flag involved just a stupid sign.
murd0c1
It's the image of the flag.
LurkerOfDarkness
It's not though, it has similarities, but it's not a flag of any nation, state, province, territory, or any other public entity.
RiverHawk
So a sign or picture or image. But not a flag. Not that it matters as there's no special protection for a flag.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
Doesn't require special protection. The image represents the sentiment that cop lives matter.
Thoughttoolongaboutthis
Imagine somebody stomping a black lives matter sign while engaging in behavior to intimidate a black person. What would you think then?
Mec26
As Cap said, the flag without the ideals behind it is just a scrap of cloth.
SmilinSloth
I would like to say your right but your wrong look up 18 U.S. Code 700, flag desecration is illegal in the United states
RiverHawk
It's indeed still in the books, but the courts ruled this Act to be unconstitutional. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/496/310
AMBM2
“Smiled in a threatening manor.” Ah yes the smile, the most threatening of expressions.
BSwann
Have you seen how your mom looks at me If I've told her once I've told her a thousand times to stop.
HerdPapley
“She expressed contempt for my occupation and I am threatened by others looking down upon me, so I arrested her.”
StrideWideMan
If hostile smirking is grounds for arrest, every "debate me" guy is going down. Ben Shapiro will never see daylight again.
2cusswords
Not a hate crime.
hitthatbomb
^ no crimes are “hate” crimes, +1
StewedTomaters
They are if you're motivated by prejudice against someone's race sexual orientation gender religion, i.e. their "immutable
StewedTomaters
characteristics." Are you defending the guys who went on social media saying "I hate all X" before shooting up a Walmart and targeting all
StewedTomaters
members of group X? They told you why they did it.
VitaminJay
The SCOTUS already made the ruling that defacing a flag is still free speech. Congrats to her winning that civil rights case.
JustABookworm
What if it's someone else's flag?
The701
The current Supreme Court crew, or a competent one?
Vegaspimp22
Well said
VitaminJay
A competent one, not the Drunk Rapist Clubhouse.
semioticmadness
Doesn’t matter, precedent is set. Would take generational change to even have a chance of making a new decision
The701
Precedent certainly isn't set in stone though, and there's a 6-3 conservative majority there now.
The701
https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/decisions-overruled/
sleepinggreenidea
The current court has been signalling quite strongly they DGAF about stare decisis. They just took up a case that was settled < 10y ago.
PballQhead
Also that saying "White son of a bitch, I'll kill you" to a cop is protected, this fuckin whiny pussy shitpig is in for a world of hurt.
PballQhead
Aww, did I piss off a bootlicker? White son of a bitch cops are NOT PROTECTED. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/405/518.html
venomlash
You stupid motherfucker, did you even read the ruling? It's not about whether the speech was protected or not. It's literally that the
PballQhead
venomlash
"fighting words" ordinance under which Wilson was convicted did not properly specify WHAT kind of speech was prohibited, making it
venomlash
unconstitutionally vague & overbroad. The majority decision specifically noted that a more precisely worded statute COULD ban what he said.
MajMalfunction2
coronakilla
HotSauceOnMyButthole
Damn. I live adjacent to a Trump loving ultra Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn. This image is hitting me in an odd way.
BallsDeepinaDragonscloaca
I need a full-size version to fly from my hybrid sedan in my conservative town.
Nargawal
... I can't like this enough
funkeejunkee
uuuhhmm...
vegivamp
What?
isitinteresting
Turns out…
AFelineMassofEyes
Can't help but notice how the blue stripe only touches black parts of the flag.
orivalx
Ngl I work in a jail and there is like 4 of the regular ones hung up. Kinda wana hang this one up as a power move but I'm afraid it'll be
orivalx
Taken the... other... way
MrTruTru
Dont compare them. At least nazis had a purpose.
OptimusPantry
Your country is so fucked. No trust anywhere and u all hate each other. So fucked.
Sasurau
Boatsntoes
Dude this is accurate as hell
PcJunky
52 cops scared of 17 year olds stomping pieces of paper disliked that.
MaybeIllDisappear
I want stickers of this to cover up all the ones I see everyday.
iLikeTurtlesAndPizza
Now do BLM with the hammer and sickle.
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JanieKSmith
ARandySavageGifForEveryOccasion
Yeah, those blacks are a buncha commies for not wanting to get shot by cops ammirite?
palladian
bOtH SiDeS...
TekDragon
Your parents should be fined for failing so hard.
KarakLohr
Ok. I’m game. How exactly does BLM have anything at all to do communism or the Soviet Union?
nakashima97
One prominent person identifies as a communist. That’s what they hang their hat on. It’s BS.
MajMalfunction2
stingraysds
IOnlyPostThatOneGorillaGif
PizzaStation
Officers who embrace the punisher logo have clearly never read the Punisher comics.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Especially the issue where he confronts a couple of cops for using it. "If I find out you're trying to do what I do, I'll come for you next"
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PizzaStation
paulbennis
you imply that they can read
thedudeman519
"Hey gee this character represents a failure of the military industrial complex, law enforcement and our justice system. Let's use his logo!
PizzaStation
DatUncle
His utility belt is part of the skull logi now?
thedudeman519
Good run but I can't stand Steve Dillons art lol