It’s not freedom of religion to cover up child abuse. Your freedom of religion ends when it starts hurting others. I can’t say it’s in my religion to kill 10 people per day and then commit murder without consequences.
What do mean "what is wrong?" Conservatives protecting pedophiles is working as intended. These are the same people who routinely vote in favor of child marriage laws.
I was SAed when I was 6, a church covered it up in 1990 and 1994. When I went public in 2021, the church took me to court to try to remove my website from the internet. Link in bio.
Fuck all the non-voters and maggots. They voted for this. They love it. It protects their churches that give them validation and repentance from their sins in exchange for cash.
Epstein. It all goes back to Epstein. These guys don't want justice for children. They want to fuck them. Literally. They are running the show and want to fuck children so they are making it legal.
To be fair, I actually kinda agree with this one. Confessing crimes to a psychologist, lawyer, or religious guide allows the criminal to get guidance. They're still a piece of shit, but a guided piece of shit is better than an unguided piece of shit. I want justice, but above that, I want goodness, kindness, reform. If someone manages to evade the law, gets help, and stops hurting children, that's better than nothing, and I'd trade 2 people getting fixed vs 1 thrown in jail.
Also note, it doesn't say they can't report it, if they feel they need to, if they feel the crime needs the attention of the judicial system, if the child is the one that comes to them, or if they feel other children are in danger. It just says they aren't in legal trouble for keeping a confession between themselves and the confessor, which is a pretty important part of their job.
What constitutional right is that? It violates “the sanctity of confession”, but I would think that acting in accordance with the teachings of Jesus (note: I did NOT say the bible) is more important.
Christ flipped tables and whipped people to drive MONEYLENDERS out of the temple… If he found it full of pedophiles he’d burn it to the fucking ground.
*Money changers (and merchants selling livestock for sacrifices among other things). Background: the priests at the temple in Jerusalem expected visitors to pay a temple tax for the upkeep of the premises, and this tax had to be paid in Tyrian shekels (silver coins minted in Tyre). People who only carried locally minted shekels, Roman denarii and sestertii, or Greek assaria had to use the services of money changers, whose exchange rates were of course heavily in their own favor.
Additionally: according to their own law, the temple was supposed to be maintained purely on the tithes of Israel. The temple tax was a made up money grab for enriching the religious ruling class.
Are you SURE you want to propose that? Women in Jesus's time were usually married off at 13. That time being chosen not by their age, but by the onset of puberty. Marrying a girl of 12 1/2 was not at all unusual, as long as she had menstruated and grown some pubic hair it was fine. (Younger than 12 1/2 however was taboo.) Jesus grew up with that standard (his own mother was only 14 when he was born). So yes, Jesus opposed pedophilia, but only meaning sex with prepubescent children.
They use the consitution like they use the bible, they don't give two shits what's in it or what it says it's just an appeal to authority. "Word of god/founding fathers agrees with me you can't argue!!" "They don't though, they say the opposite" "I just said you can't argue with them, time to kill you because you're a pedo!"
Also, on that: "the sanctity of confession" only applies to 'genuine acts of contrition'. If someone says they did something in the past, but no longer, and are truly sorry for it, then the priest isn't supposed to tell anyone... but, really, they should be telling that person to go confess to the cops too, as their penance. If someone is telling the priest, but clearly keeps doing it and intends to keep doing it, then "the sanctity of confession" doesn't apply. Either way, cops should get told.
This. This is what I was taught in secondary school in a catholic grammar school. In Ireland. Its only a confession if the person is truly sorry and repentant about their actions.
To be clear, I'm not defending this, only trying to answer your question. Generally speaking, there are several categories of people that are not permitted to testify against you; your lawyer, doctor, spouse, clergy. Not an all inclusive list and there are exceptions for all of these.
Actually it was very common for women to get married when they had their first period. The virgin mary was only 9, and Joseph was 99 thats how we know she was a virgin, his dick didn't work. That's why 999 is a holy number, the opposite of 666.
It was already turned over a long time ago. I’ve been saying this for a long time. It’s not just Trump. It’s the fundamentalist Christians who backed him. They love child brides that’s why they chose him.
Since people started looking bad at priests molesting children the church had some country in the world that would shield the molesters. For a long time it was Poland but due to, as we say "bending the dick", they needed to look for different one. And what's better than a third world country with first world amenities.
The Republican War On Children is proceeding apace. No food for the starving.No education. Protection for their abusers. Pardons for their murderers. Abortion outlawed, so mothers that hate/don't want them/will sell them. Labor laws and protections revoked, slavery reinstated. No health care for their mothers or them. The disabled abandoned to die. Make America the most dangerous place outside of Palestine for kids? Republicans vote yes.
Republicans believe it's a MAGA's constitutional right to rape children. They want to make it legal so when it inevitably comes out that trump frequently raped children, they can say "So what, it's not illegal"... The cult will be okay with it because they share the same pedophilic desires.
Hey if adultbwomen are refusing to have children. Gotta get them pregnant young so you have easy access to breeding cows. Ugh. Threw up a bit typing that /s if not obvious
I mean.... Half of America still has legalized child marriage. I don't know why that isn't talked about more. In the State of Georgia, last I looked, you can marry your 12yr old off to someone.
Nope, biological father. Not sure about the facts, maybe someone else can add, but it's a story where 2 woman raped their father to get pregnant, because there were no other men around or he didn't agree to a match or something. But the women wanted a family, so they made him drunk and raped him.
Nope, your own father. Lot and his daughters, were the only ones to make it out of Sodom, well I guess his wife made it out of town too, but she ignored the warning not to look back and was turned into a pillar of salt.
Well, both daughters got their father so drunk they could have their way with the man, and get themselves pregnant. They did this because they thought they were the last 3 people in the world, kind of like the new Adam & Eve(s)
This is somewhat misleading. Source provided at the end. The state of WA put in a new law requiring child abuse told during confessions must be reported and is being sued by 3 Catholic Bishops. The Trump Justice Dept is backing them. There is no federal law that requires abuse disclosed to clergy be reported and there’s been a long “precedent” of clergy being exempted. Is that precedent bullshit, yes.
Now, if a priest hears about something outside of confession, they must report it still. /1
In Washington state you are already required to report child abuse, or even *suspected* abuse, if you're a teacher, social worker, daycare employee, police officer, etc etc. You can be charged for NOT reporting if it comes out that you knew about it. But they want to carve out a nice specifically for priests???
Another example of why I think religion has been a detriment to the world. So a confession from one of your congregation of abuse is more important to protect than another member of your congregation that is being abused? Why is the confessors privacy more important?
CyanideBreathMint
Thought SCOTUS already did this. Something along the lines of attorney/client privilege, but it is really pedo clergy/victim privilege
hohohoooo
No surprise... The passionate bedwetter wanted to become the next pope...
nimeton0
Mack1986
The republican base is a bunch of child fucking evangelicals. So this tracks
Nanntuckett
It’s not freedom of religion to cover up child abuse. Your freedom of religion ends when it starts hurting others. I can’t say it’s in my religion to kill 10 people per day and then commit murder without consequences.
TedBuckley
Hiding behind confession and forgiveness does not make you a good person. Much the same as a hat is not a substitute for a personality.
Exdeath5000
medimr
What do mean "what is wrong?" Conservatives protecting pedophiles is working as intended. These are the same people who routinely vote in favor of child marriage laws.
petonious
So the children have no rights?
lurkyloos
I was SAed when I was 6, a church covered it up in 1990 and 1994. When I went public in 2021, the church took me to court to try to remove my website from the internet. Link in bio.
Fuck all the non-voters and maggots. They voted for this. They love it. It protects their churches that give them validation and repentance from their sins in exchange for cash.
p7zjnq9gei9000
And they don’t care about victim’s rights
updowncenterinner
Epstein. It all goes back to Epstein. These guys don't want justice for children. They want to fuck them. Literally. They are running the show and want to fuck children so they are making it legal.
Matrelith
Constitutional rights to what...?
lightfoot2
Given the Bible is ok with raping women and children, I guess it's a constitutionally protected right. SC will uphold it.
pibyte
Project 2025 in full swing.
Make sure you at least remember who voted this sh** into power.
cousteau
Oh look, another distraction from the Epstein files!
Taokan22
To be fair, I actually kinda agree with this one. Confessing crimes to a psychologist, lawyer, or religious guide allows the criminal to get guidance. They're still a piece of shit, but a guided piece of shit is better than an unguided piece of shit. I want justice, but above that, I want goodness, kindness, reform. If someone manages to evade the law, gets help, and stops hurting children, that's better than nothing, and I'd trade 2 people getting fixed vs 1 thrown in jail.
Taokan22
Also note, it doesn't say they can't report it, if they feel they need to, if they feel the crime needs the attention of the judicial system, if the child is the one that comes to them, or if they feel other children are in danger. It just says they aren't in legal trouble for keeping a confession between themselves and the confessor, which is a pretty important part of their job.
Otomasoteraph
So, in Dorito Mussolini America raping a child is a constitutional right? What the fucking fuck is happening in USA?
AyatollahBahloni
Something that Stephen King and HP Lovecraft writing together could not possibly have imagined.
invalidobject
Sauce? Link? More info?
fallswinkingtothefloor
The clergy are reporting child abuse?? Hadn't noticed that
CorvidPrime
What constitutional right is that? It violates “the sanctity of confession”, but I would think that acting in accordance with the teachings of Jesus (note: I did NOT say the bible) is more important.
Christ flipped tables and whipped people to drive MONEYLENDERS out of the temple… If he found it full of pedophiles he’d burn it to the fucking ground.
SteveMND
It's not so much a violation of the 'constitutional rights', so much as it is a violation of this SCOTUS' _interpretation_ of those constitutional rights. With the majority of the Justices being corrupt and complicit in this fascist regime, it should come as no surprise. https://www.aclu.org/news/religious-liberty/the-supreme-court-benches-the-separation-of-church-and-state
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
*Money changers (and merchants selling livestock for sacrifices among other things). Background: the priests at the temple in Jerusalem expected visitors to pay a temple tax for the upkeep of the premises, and this tax had to be paid in Tyrian shekels (silver coins minted in Tyre). People who only carried locally minted shekels, Roman denarii and sestertii, or Greek assaria had to use the services of money changers, whose exchange rates were of course heavily in their own favor.
TechnicolourFerret
Additionally: according to their own law, the temple was supposed to be maintained purely on the tithes of Israel. The temple tax was a made up money grab for enriching the religious ruling class.
GoneSolo
I'd make a smore on that fire.
OliverOtter
Are you SURE you want to propose that? Women in Jesus's time were usually married off at 13. That time being chosen not by their age, but by the onset of puberty. Marrying a girl of 12 1/2 was not at all unusual, as long as she had menstruated and grown some pubic hair it was fine. (Younger than 12 1/2 however was taboo.) Jesus grew up with that standard (his own mother was only 14 when he was born). So yes, Jesus opposed pedophilia, but only meaning sex with prepubescent children.
meme2zombie
They use the consitution like they use the bible, they don't give two shits what's in it or what it says it's just an appeal to authority. "Word of god/founding fathers agrees with me you can't argue!!" "They don't though, they say the opposite" "I just said you can't argue with them, time to kill you because you're a pedo!"
NoNameFred
Also, on that: "the sanctity of confession" only applies to 'genuine acts of contrition'. If someone says they did something in the past, but no longer, and are truly sorry for it, then the priest isn't supposed to tell anyone... but, really, they should be telling that person to go confess to the cops too, as their penance. If someone is telling the priest, but clearly keeps doing it and intends to keep doing it, then "the sanctity of confession" doesn't apply. Either way, cops should get told.
TheAngryEngineer
This. This is what I was taught in secondary school in a catholic grammar school. In Ireland. Its only a confession if the person is truly sorry and repentant about their actions.
austinwizardforhire
To be clear, I'm not defending this, only trying to answer your question. Generally speaking, there are several categories of people that are not permitted to testify against you; your lawyer, doctor, spouse, clergy. Not an all inclusive list and there are exceptions for all of these.
UniquenessReviewed
Actually it was very common for women to get married when they had their first period. The virgin mary was only 9, and Joseph was 99 thats how we know she was a virgin, his dick didn't work. That's why 999 is a holy number, the opposite of 666.
Sonicschilidogs
Lay off the crack pipe for a second boss, you're talking nonsense.
MeowWoof
...ya got any sites for any of that?
VinnyVeritas
Priests have rights... but children DON'T ? Should tell you everything you need to know about Trump
SternLecturePlumbing
It was already turned over a long time ago. I’ve been saying this for a long time. It’s not just Trump. It’s the fundamentalist Christians who backed him. They love child brides that’s why they chose him.
JAPONfan
Since people started looking bad at priests molesting children the church had some country in the world that would shield the molesters. For a long time it was Poland but due to, as we say "bending the dick", they needed to look for different one. And what's better than a third world country with first world amenities.
PerthAussieMike
And the poor child has no rights :(. Disgusting. Animals look after their offspring better than some humans.
lightfoot2
Once you realize children are property (you know, like colored people) things make more sense in MAGA world.
awholelotofnothin
The Republican War On Children is proceeding apace. No food for the starving.No education. Protection for their abusers. Pardons for their murderers. Abortion outlawed, so mothers that hate/don't want them/will sell them. Labor laws and protections revoked, slavery reinstated. No health care for their mothers or them. The disabled abandoned to die. Make America the most dangerous place outside of Palestine for kids? Republicans vote yes.
VelvetWarhol
CallMeMcGyver
Republicans believe it's a MAGA's constitutional right to rape children. They want to make it legal so when it inevitably comes out that trump frequently raped children, they can say "So what, it's not illegal"... The cult will be okay with it because they share the same pedophilic desires.
Catodactyl
At what point do we actually take out the trash, throw it in a dumpster, and set it on fire? Asking for a friend.
nspriest233
Hey if adultbwomen are refusing to have children. Gotta get them pregnant young so you have easy access to breeding cows. Ugh. Threw up a bit typing that /s if not obvious
Timesarrows
trump spoke he would not prosecute christian clergy rapists/pedophiles and no media reported and DNC dems too afraid to make it an issue? originally mormonism was legalized pedophilia... details with sources /gallery/long-factual-history-of-christian-conservative-republican-pedophilia-rape-sexual-deviates-JBzd2GW
Etherealvalentine
I mean.... Half of America still has legalized child marriage. I don't know why that isn't talked about more. In the State of Georgia, last I looked, you can marry your 12yr old off to someone.
ihavethelowground
All trump supporters are pedophiles and rapists. Start normalizing that
lightfoot2
Oh and incest is ok in the Bible, so raping your kids or siblings is fine. *sigh*
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
Don't forget raping your father is well established.
irrelevantsentence
When you say father, do you mean my priest?
Chionati
Nope, biological father. Not sure about the facts, maybe someone else can add, but it's a story where 2 woman raped their father to get pregnant, because there were no other men around or he didn't agree to a match or something. But the women wanted a family, so they made him drunk and raped him.
Markuspsyches
Nope, your own father. Lot and his daughters, were the only ones to make it out of Sodom, well I guess his wife made it out of town too, but she ignored the warning not to look back and was turned into a pillar of salt.
Well, both daughters got their father so drunk they could have their way with the man, and get themselves pregnant. They did this because they thought they were the last 3 people in the world, kind of like the new Adam & Eve(s)
RealTurdFerguson
Bitches always trippin’
cytherians
IN OUR FACES.
They are sexual predators who protect sexual predators, while their influencers proclaim that Democrats are the sexual predators.
Not hiding it either. How FUCKING STUPID can MAGA voters actually be?
KixStar
Pedos protecting pedos. Tale as old as time
nimeton0
77+ million Americans voted for this.
mandomh
And millions more decided not to vote at all. Never before had more meaning the phrase “Every country has the government it deserves.”
cousteau
Not to speak about the millions that saw both options and said "meh, can't see any difference"
gitguuud
This is somewhat misleading. Source provided at the end. The state of WA put in a new law requiring child abuse told during confessions must be reported and is being sued by 3 Catholic Bishops. The Trump Justice Dept is backing them. There is no federal law that requires abuse disclosed to clergy be reported and there’s been a long “precedent” of clergy being exempted. Is that precedent bullshit, yes.
Now, if a priest hears about something outside of confession, they must report it still. /1
gitguuud
Source https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-administration-intervenes-help-block-002033102.html
TheMomaw
In Washington state you are already required to report child abuse, or even *suspected* abuse, if you're a teacher, social worker, daycare employee, police officer, etc etc. You can be charged for NOT reporting if it comes out that you knew about it. But they want to carve out a nice specifically for priests???
gitguuud
It’s not carved out. It’s national precedent. This law makes special consideration. It’s in the article.
PectorialMuscles
The niche was already there, read. It always has been. It should be bricked up with the priests inside in my opinion. Then set on fire.
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Another example of why I think religion has been a detriment to the world. So a confession from one of your congregation of abuse is more important to protect than another member of your congregation that is being abused? Why is the confessors privacy more important?
Aelonwy
DING DING DING we have a winner!