They aren’t looking for religious freedom, they’re looking for forced religious doctrine.
If m fine if anyone wants to learn, study or follow any religion, but making it a requirement, even to those who are unwilling, is against the constitution of this country, and far too many are willing to forego that document if it benefits their bullshit agenda.
As a parent living in Texas can someone point me to who the people arguing for putting the Ten Commandments are? What are their names and office numbers? Cause as a Christian, they need to hear from another Christian how stupid and evil they are.
He's doing god's work. They are traitors to the constitution they appropriate to advance their christo-fascist agenda. They should self-deport to North Korea or be tried for sedition.
Why is it the 10 commandments and not the beatitudes? You know the thing Jesus “The old law is done away in me” Christ actually taught? For extra fun if it is a Mormon pulling this ask why they are following Satan’s plan and forcing people to do what is right?
This is going on in Texas while Oklahoma is now required to teach conspiracy theories. Red states if I were a CA lawmaker I would be strongly pushing secession from the union right now no joke. We don't want to take part anymore you red states say you don't want us. So maybe we take our economy and leave? Maybe Oregon, Washington and Nevada will come with us? I mean the red majority clearly dosent want us as badly as we don't want them.
I just wanna say, that if CA, WA, OR all defected to Canada, The UCSA(United Canadian States of America) would be the 3rd largest economy in the world,
They don't care. Its never been about facts or freedom, it's always been about christofascism and control of women, children, minorities, lgbt+ people, and basically everyone except ultra wealthy conservative straight rich white men.
What's always funny is how they respond to "separation of church and state" by mentioning that it "never is explicitly said in the constitution" and only said "in letters" yet completely ignored that those "letters" were by the head writer basically reexplaining the first amendment from their perspective
It would be like dismissing an AMA post by an author explaining the intended symbolism of a character, just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the book.
"It would be like dismissing an AMA post by an author explaining the intended symbolism of a character, just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the book."
It's an entirely bad faith argument on their part, and it's also proof of how corrupt SCOTUS is that the "originalists" don't defer back to the contemporary writings of the dude who wrote the thing they're interpreting when they don't like what they say.
These zealots don't care. We don't even need the direct quotes from the founding fathers when they explicitly wrote the separation of church and state into the Constitution. They wouldn't have ratified it if they didn't believe it to be necessary.
The never-ending, ever-present fucking bullshit from these people. Their own disregard for the values they claim to follow, is the best evidence that this is only about social control and indoctrination.
same as it ever was. like literally since the beginning of time. these fucking lizards have never really understood anything except violence and force.
It takes some special character flaws to rise to prominence in the GOP. The bigger the snake the faster the rise. It’s because their base absolute morons who navigate their lives with the only motivation of being a member of an aggressive in group.
It's funny that in the UK our head of state is also the head of the official church, and the archbishops sit in our upper house, yet we keep religion entirely out of politics. Issues like abortion, birth control, gay marriage etc are not even issues here. (last Parliament the Conservatives had the most out gay MPs, and the only trans MP) If a Prime Minister in the UK started talking about god we'd think he's gone nuts. Blair didn't start talking about his faith until well after he left office.
It’s always interesting how totally allergic they are to giving straight answers. Even when something is put very simply to her, she won’t admit what she really wants to say.
Oh, she did say it. He asked if she agreed government and religion should be separate. She agreed she didn't want government telling religion what to do. She very clearly does want religion (HER religion, of course) telling government what to do.
"So, you'd be fine with Roman Catholic doctrine being displayed in every classroom? And it would be perfectly acceptable to discuss the various saints prevalent in the doctrine of the Holy Roman Catholic Church? What about the Greek Orthodox Church?"/s
“Hey lady if you’re so into religion being expressed in the classroom, you’re cool with a daily call to prayer for the Muslim students to pause five times a day and pray, right? No? Okay, so if that’s too far, what’s the line? Including any faith besides honkytastic evangelical pyramid schemes?”
They always will accuse others of what they are doing. They cry about grooming (and many other things) because that's what they do and the reality that they live in.
I dont care if they display the ten commandments as long as they also display every other religious ideology that there is without banning lgbtq banners.
Personally I think the religious displays should be in classrooms for religion, just like chemistry posters would be in chemistry classrooms or historic posters in history classrooms. It is silly to put same posters in every classroom when they also need their own posters. But yeah should be all religions too.
Indeed, at school we got to pick our religion if we followed one. Kids that picked a religion got a different class when we had ethics class. It was called Zedenleer in Dutch, IDK the equivalent but I think it was Ethics. We had one kid that had a niche religion/following and school called in a teacher for that 1 kid. We had different classrooms for each.
I think a religious display in a classroom is pointless. Christians alone have 40000+ denominations. You can't possibly represent all religions without it just turning into a fucking mess. Therefore don't represent ANY. All of this is about simple fixes 'get God back in schools' and it will 'fix everything' 'cause God. Its straight religious propaganda horseshit
Ask them about maps, then ask them to name as many countries from a global map. If they can’t even get one continent other then the one there living on, right. Tell ‘m to go back to kindergarden class and learn something about other things then bible quotes.
That's because it wasn't translated. It was recompiled, and only loosely based on the source material. King James allowed the church to make it because he wanted them off his back about his boyfriend.
(This is a trick question where "yes" means that you're a blithering idiot, and "no" means that you're a dishonest, malicious actor. You put yourself in that position.)
SheriffJackCarter
They aren’t looking for religious freedom, they’re looking for forced religious doctrine.
If m fine if anyone wants to learn, study or follow any religion, but making it a requirement, even to those who are unwilling, is against the constitution of this country, and far too many are willing to forego that document if it benefits their bullshit agenda.
jtwood
Cunt
Ranb40
I wonder why they are not posting Christ's "Sermon on the Mount" talking points? Too woke now?
Blessed are the poor, the mourning, the meek, the hungry, the merciful, the pure, the peacemakers?
Matthew 5 thru 7.
androgenoide
That is the essence of Christianity.
FlintNorth44
The fucking smug face on her...
thetails88
As a parent living in Texas can someone point me to who the people arguing for putting the Ten Commandments are? What are their names and office numbers? Cause as a Christian, they need to hear from another Christian how stupid and evil they are.
Dailywitchery
He's doing god's work. They are traitors to the constitution they appropriate to advance their christo-fascist agenda. They should self-deport to North Korea or be tried for sedition.
EinsteinHair
Why is it the 10 commandments and not the beatitudes? You know the thing Jesus “The old law is done away in me” Christ actually taught?
For extra fun if it is a Mormon pulling this ask why they are following Satan’s plan and forcing people to do what is right?
PrinceMaxx7
Do you know who DIDN'T think the 10 Commandments should be in public schools?
The founding fathers you fucking religious nitwit!
secularink
Hear, hear.
Drew442
This is going on in Texas while Oklahoma is now required to teach conspiracy theories. Red states if I were a CA lawmaker I would be strongly pushing secession from the union right now no joke. We don't want to take part anymore you red states say you don't want us. So maybe we take our economy and leave? Maybe Oregon, Washington and Nevada will come with us? I mean the red majority clearly dosent want us as badly as we don't want them.
Clippyjustwantedtohelp
I just wanna say, that if CA, WA, OR all defected to Canada, The UCSA(United Canadian States of America) would be the 3rd largest economy in the world,
trhopkins
Well that would be escaping religious persecution.
fractalsphere
Banning books but not guns tells you what we need to know about them
CrouchingCorgiHiddenLurker
Need more Luigi
jetact12
Need more James Talerico's
kitskinner19538
Indeedwearethedead
People using your name to accumulate power and punish those they don't like. You know, usual shit
Nanntuckett
“The United States of America was not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion” - John Adams, POTUS, 1797
herrcane
The forefathers she's referring to:
isthisjunkmail
All you’ve got are facts and the truth, and somehow those two things just don’t work in these situations.
Darkwell
"All I have on my side is facts and science, and people hate facts and science." - Leslie Knope
mksu
That's when you hit them up with a quote from Jefferson about how much religion sucked.
Iaddnothing
No no. Use their own bibles. Luke 16:16 - The Law and the Prophets were until John
Sooner70
And point out that part of why the 1A was instituted was the fact that not all the founding fathers were Christians.
androgenoide
And many of those who did call themselves Christian had ideas far removed from those of modern evangelicals.
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
I want to print that quote on a poster, roll it up real tight and than hit her with it. Does this still count?
becomethechangeyouwishtosee
Yes 👍
ilovetraveler
They don't care. Its never been about facts or freedom, it's always been about christofascism and control of women, children, minorities, lgbt+ people, and basically everyone except ultra wealthy conservative straight rich white men.
antoinettehaupt2
Yes 👆
TheWombatStrikesAgain
And they won't care, because they think they're doing god's work, so they can do no wrong.
MadamPuddifoot
You could hit them with 24 quotes about how much religion sticks, how they're needs to be a separation, etc.
They still won't care.
MadamPuddifoot
Fucking typos.
MCNewYorkLives
What's always funny is how they respond to "separation of church and state" by mentioning that it "never is explicitly said in the constitution" and only said "in letters" yet completely ignored that those "letters" were by the head writer basically reexplaining the first amendment from their perspective
It would be like dismissing an AMA post by an author explaining the intended symbolism of a character, just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the book.
SupernaturalReactions
"It would be like dismissing an AMA post by an author explaining the intended symbolism of a character, just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the book."
That happens all the time. Only geeks can out-zealot religious zealots....
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mksu
It's an entirely bad faith argument on their part, and it's also proof of how corrupt SCOTUS is that the "originalists" don't defer back to the contemporary writings of the dude who wrote the thing they're interpreting when they don't like what they say.
untrugby
Almost like all the 2a haters dismiss letters written about gun ownership by the founders 🤷♂️
Siohwenoeht1
And he cut up 3 Bibles to remove all instances of divinity to boil it down to the ethical and moral lessons.
MeekrabJones
These zealots don't care. We don't even need the direct quotes from the founding fathers when they explicitly wrote the separation of church and state into the Constitution. They wouldn't have ratified it if they didn't believe it to be necessary.
mksu
I don't expect them to care. It would just be funny.
viasycosis
You can SEE the cognitive dissonance holy shit
SmergBlaerghl
The never-ending, ever-present fucking bullshit from these people. Their own disregard for the values they claim to follow, is the best evidence that this is only about social control and indoctrination.
cepacolusmaximus
TheLastGreatAudit
It stops once they're scared of the rrepercussions. At present, they aren't.
killstapp
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surfacefried
I think you would enjoy the ever-present fucking bullshit from these people *creepy smile"
0xBADA55
It’s always been, religious wars have devastated humanity for millenia
Livetinydienever
This lady seems to lack critical thinking skills based on her retorts..just like more than 59% of this country
Ihadntrealisedeveryonewroteajokeinsteadoftheiractualnames
Amen to that.
StarscreamAndHutch
That all that religion is. A way to control the masses.
keystotheairlock
Nobody this dumb should have fuck all to say about a damn thing that happens anywhere, let alone in a single school.
Eyeetsass
It takes some special character flaws to rise to prominence in the GOP. The bigger the snake the faster the rise. It’s because their base absolute morons who navigate their lives with the only motivation of being a member of an aggressive in group.
DJOldguy
Interesting...
secularink
<3
Foehammer262
mrsdowneyjr
Oops, these facts need to be ignored.
jetact12
You mean, they get in the way of the Christian NATIONALIST agenda, right?
scuba7jb
Can we mandate the display of a globe and savagely berate anyone that suggests the earth is flat.......? I'm just asking questions here.
StarscreamAndHutch
James Talarico - one of the very few worth a fuck legislators in the state.
jetact12
Agreed. He restored my faith.
SpartaWolf117
half the first ten commandments are just yhwh jerking himself off. and yes, there are far, far more commandments than just those 10
OperatorWay
Scripture in the classroom, but no free meals for starving kids.
There's no hate like kkkristian love.
thrashingcows
unluckyandbored
That wall needs to be circular, with a dome on top. And no way in or out.
Carlin's third commandment. "Thou shall keep thy religion to thyself."
CarlBassett
It's funny that in the UK our head of state is also the head of the official church, and the archbishops sit in our upper house, yet we keep religion entirely out of politics. Issues like abortion, birth control, gay marriage etc are not even issues here. (last Parliament the Conservatives had the most out gay MPs, and the only trans MP) If a Prime Minister in the UK started talking about god we'd think he's gone nuts. Blair didn't start talking about his faith until well after he left office.
CarlBassett
And we don't make all our kids stand and pledge allegiance to a flag every day.
JustAnotherBoredUserAtWork
You are a civilised nation, that is a big difference
rotinaj
It’s always interesting how totally allergic they are to giving straight answers. Even when something is put very simply to her, she won’t admit what she really wants to say.
yoyo42
Oh, she did say it. He asked if she agreed government and religion should be separate. She agreed she didn't want government telling religion what to do. She very clearly does want religion (HER religion, of course) telling government what to do.
DarthWaiterSE
"So, you'd be fine with Roman Catholic doctrine being displayed in every classroom? And it would be perfectly acceptable to discuss the various saints prevalent in the doctrine of the Holy Roman Catholic Church? What about the Greek Orthodox Church?"/s
rotinaj
“Hey lady if you’re so into religion being expressed in the classroom, you’re cool with a daily call to prayer for the Muslim students to pause five times a day and pray, right? No? Okay, so if that’s too far, what’s the line? Including any faith besides honkytastic evangelical pyramid schemes?”
Thresholdpush
These neofascisti scumbags talk about grooming frequently. Hypocrisy is just as engrained in christianity as racism & sexism at this point.
huffnpuff72
But it's not grooming if you're teaching the right things /s
Ifarsenicfailstrysalgebra
They always will accuse others of what they are doing. They cry about grooming (and many other things) because that's what they do and the reality that they live in.
Exyr
I dont care if they display the ten commandments as long as they also display every other religious ideology that there is without banning lgbtq banners.
Gracethehedgehog
J.R. BOB DOBBS has entered the chat.
TalkingToTheVoid
Like the satanic rules of the earth. satanic rules of the earth are FARRRRRR more Christian like than anything Christianity could come up with.
Judany73
They proposed other religions be represented, I believe they voted that down.
celestedrake
Of course they did. >:(
jtwood
Church of Satan loves doing this stuff
TokyosNotFarEnough
I live in Texas & teach. I can't wait for the Satanists to get busy!
astromoondoggie
The Satanic Temple are the ones who do this stuff. Church of Satan are the ones founded by Anton LaVey who follow Satanism
jtwood
Noted and filed away for future reference 😬
celestedrake
Personally I think the religious displays should be in classrooms for religion, just like chemistry posters would be in chemistry classrooms or historic posters in history classrooms. It is silly to put same posters in every classroom when they also need their own posters. But yeah should be all religions too.
Gnakenheimer
Indeed, at school we got to pick our religion if we followed one. Kids that picked a religion got a different class when we had ethics class. It was called Zedenleer in Dutch, IDK the equivalent but I think it was Ethics. We had one kid that had a niche religion/following and school called in a teacher for that 1 kid. We had different classrooms for each.
Photeus
I think a religious display in a classroom is pointless. Christians alone have 40000+ denominations. You can't possibly represent all religions without it just turning into a fucking mess. Therefore don't represent ANY.
All of this is about simple fixes 'get God back in schools' and it will 'fix everything' 'cause God. Its straight religious propaganda horseshit
fknbastard
Religious displays are based on faith. Periodic Table of Elements is based on science.
fknbastard
Religious classrooms just seems like an oxymoron
Exyr
Religious studies is a thing g tho
fknbastard
Which would be different. Subjects vs pedagogy.
nimeton0
Ten Commandments poster in every classroom? Here ya go!
Verbodentoegang
Ask them about maps, then ask them to name as many countries from a global map.
If they can’t even get one continent other then the one there living on, right. Tell ‘m to go back to kindergarden class and learn something about other things then bible quotes.
mrsdowneyjr
Not only is it required to be in English but, if I'm not mistaken, it must be the king James version.
Eiladar
And even among bible scholars (the real academic ones, not Aunt June from Facebook), the KJB is considered to be one of the worst translations.
BrigidtheMechLady
That's because it wasn't translated. It was recompiled, and only loosely based on the source material. King James allowed the church to make it because he wanted them off his back about his boyfriend.
Ranb40
No. The stupid bill requires that the words be in English. https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1342719
Zuegma197777
In high school we had a sign that said... "Don't run in the halls".. You think a sign of whatever will make a difference? Lolz They are dumbasses.
eggmuffin
Do you truly believe that is relevant?
(This is a trick question where "yes" means that you're a blithering idiot, and "no" means that you're a dishonest, malicious actor. You put yourself in that position.)
Zuegma197777
My point is, If there's a poster of the 10 commandments... It's will be viewed as a poster decoration that everyone will ignore. 🤡
JockoV
Why do you believe the poster will be ignored and treated as a decoration? Please be specific.
eggmuffin
That is not the point, and you know it.
So disingenuous, malicious actor it is, then.