I saw this on TV when I was a kid and no one would believe it. It was the first thing I used a search engine for, probably Ask Jeeves, and it made sense that it was Steven King.
My sister got earring soon after she was born, it was a perfectly normal thing around here, Europe, '80s. I've never heard since then that it's something bad, this reaction is new to me.
I don’t remember the pain, when I got my ears pierced as a baby. I got a second set of piercings a few years ago… the pain was irritating and frustrating to get through. I understand your concern for babies but I can assure you, they’re very resilient and in my case, forgetful. Hope this helps.
As much as I dont think a baby needs an earring, I also never saw an issue if parents want to do it. It causes no real harm so I'm curious why it upsets you so much. Once again, I have no strong feelings either way. Just curious
Well, babies move very uncoordinatedly, and it's possible they could injure themselves. It could also potentially trigger infections and allergies. The immune system is still very fragile at such a young age.
Couldn't you say that about "going outside" too? Im wondering specifically what about a piercing is so awful that separates it from the "acceptable". Im just seeing a lot of rage/very strong emotional response from a lot of people about this and curious as to the why. I agree there is a "risk" something can go wrong (ie infections/ allergies) but that risk is generally extremely low and easily dealt with isn't it?
This is completely commonplace in many countries around the world and part of the culture. If when the child grows they don't want them, they can just stop wearing them, but I assure you they'll never remember what it felt like.
Isn't that a bit like pulling someone's teeth out instead of giving them a toothbrush? I agree it is "cleaner" if there is less there to get dirty but sounds like an extreme solution when soap solves the problem perfectly. If people aren't practicing good hygiene WITH a circumcision than it would still be dirty (even if technically "less" dirty) and a health issue correct? In my opinion it has never been necessary.
I see gradual differences. Earrings can be removed, and over time, the small hole in the ear will close again. With a circumcision, on the other hand, nothing grows back. Once it's gone, it's always gone. Even the occasional side effects associated with it can be permanent.
I'm just thinking of the focused weight when my cat walks over me, and the little puncture wounds when he did the kneading thing. Oh, and how my kid would grab and throw things.
Please tell me thats just a clip on ear ornament.. and even if it is, wtf the skin of a baby is soft and squishy as it is. Applying permanent preasure on a spot like that can be bad
Depending on their age, infants may not yet be able to focus on objects at different distances very well with their eyes. This is especially difficult at close range.
Honestly the video stresses me out. As someone with cats these adorable idiots are spooked SO EASILY. I clip their claws almost weekly now because the fucking WIND will flutter wrong and they use my head and chest as spring boards with claws fully extended. My fattest little bastard likes to sleep on my neck when I sleep and something spooked him as he went to step on my face. It's a miracle I still have two functioning eyeballs.
1. Does it have depth? 2. Does it have warmth? 3. Does it have flexibility? 4. Can it take a pounding?
The test of not-a-cunt (aka you-might-be-mysogynist-if test):
1. Is cunt being used to put someone else down? 2. Is being called a cunt meant to be non-gender affirming, inequitable, or noninclusive? 3. Is being called a cunt meant to be mysogynistic by comparing the insulted to anything woman/feminine?
In Portugal we have/had the tradition of piercing the ears as a baby.m. I tried to do some piercing in an older age and dammmm no yay Jose... anyway depends on the country and the tradition I think...
Bottom surgery does not happen on minors (unless they're intersex neonates so they match a binary gender even when they aren't solely for their parents own comfort), but circumcision happens to babies all the time.
Y'all get angry about fake fantasies y'all dreamed up and yet somehow shrug at literal nazism.
I agree with you I think there are worse things. I got my ears pierced as a small baby obviously I don’t remember it, but it is an a part of my culture. Would I do it to my baby, idk but I respect my mom’s decision and I love my pierced ears.
Agree but sometimes it's not the parents. My sister had her ears pierced at 6 months old by a babysitter/friend of my mother with no permission from my mother or the father. My mother never spoke to her again. A friend's baby had their ears pierced by her mother-in-law, again without any parental permission. The mother-in-law didn't see the problem.
My sister got earring soon after she was born, it was a perfectly normal thing around here, Europe, '80s. I've never heard since then that it's something bad, this reaction is new to me.
I think it’s more altering someone’s body without permission for strictly cosmetic reasons. They should be able to make that life-long decision themselves. (I don’t believe earrings have ever been deemed medically necessary like other procedures that are done without consent.)
The permission comes from the parents, and the "alteration" isn't life-long: if the earings are not fhere, it heals within months. I've seen it on my sister's and cousins' ears.
If they are taken out before they are healed, maybe? Have you never known someone who only uses earrings sometimes? How would that be possible if they were closing all the time?
I can't say I agree with it but some cultures pierce both boys and girls ears with a month of birth. I am not defending it, but it is very common globally.
Agreed, this is not common to white culture so this looks like it could be child abuse and cultural misappropriation.
In many of eastern/ Asian cultures where males are more valued than females at birth, it is common to see all babies dressed in female gendered clothing and have their ears pierced so that male babies are not stolen away from the family. So ear piercing is a safety measure for a lot of these cultures.
What is a "white culture" ? I live in a country were most people are born with blond hair. Some people pierce their kids, soþe people dont. Where does "white culture" comes in ?
But you are correct. There is NO white culture - just a bunch of people who have misappropriated everything they call their own. Other caucasian people say they are of some euro-anglo-saxon background but whites in heterogenous cultures will say different - because their skin color may be the only they have common!
Except dog bday parties and putting mayonaise in everything - that is definitley something the white people can and should take credit for.
I dont know man... we, here,... we are just never wondering what race we are , or other persons. I dont have a clue if I have Euro-anglo- saxaphone shit, or Euro-mayonaise- Trumphet. We are all just people here... (and most of them bad at it) . As a European, I wouldnt toutch a jar of mayonaise with a stick!! :)
The real answer as I thought of this comment through the day is Dunbars number. Which is theoretically 150. 150 the average person can literally can maintain a social relationship. Yet see the number. Our society is huge and organizations can and need more than that. So what do we do... We factionalize, we think groups and swathes and creeds as us or them. In doing so we rationalize while groups as innately good or evil for the better process due to our own human nature, hardwired and exploited.
This started as a religious and hygienic practice. The Jews first started it and continue to now. If you’re in an area that’s hot, sandy with very little water, cleaning under the foreskin can be challenging. If not done it can harbor bacteria that can cause PID in female sex partners and lead to sterility and possibly death. This was continued when the Jews that followed Jesus split off and continued many of the Jewish practices. So it became a Catholic ritual.
The answer is opinion. Although there are people of all ages, race, religion, culture and sexual identity, we still align w imaginary sides. Not just in personal opinions, but matters big and small. People are forever opinionated and reasons won't justify most anybody.
I'm used to culturally children get earrings young, but other groups will see it on other terms that never catch me. Just bears to think about...
they also don't have a say In what food they eat , what they watch and when they bathe . is that a limit on their freedom or somehow a form of torture? and I ain't being argumentative or edgy I honestly am asking .
Well, with the food thing, at least they can make it clear whether they like it or whether they want to mess up the dining room. I'm thinking of spinach, for example. A great color for splashing around the room!
Piercing is a risk of infection which a baby is already particularly vulnerable to as their bodies are still developing defenses. A piercing can also leave scaring or potentially be a permanent alteration to the body. Every person deserves the respect of having consent considered on such unnecessary aesthetic procedures when they are old enough to comprehend and make such a decision for themselves. Babies are small people not property like a stuffed animal. Risk & consent matter.
I wouldn't say it's acute cuntery, it can be cultural just like circumcision. Social norms are POWERFUL and people will do some fucked up shit without really thinking about it. The test of how cunty these people are is if they turn around, slap on a red hat and say gender-affirming care is "mutilation".
I don't disagree but there is a LOT of social pressure in a lot of parts of the world (including here in the U.S.) to do it. Don't underestimate social pressure, it doesn't just make people do cunty things, it can make you hurt yourself or make huge sacrifices just to avoid small inconveniences or awkward interactions with other people. It's easy to say "What a cunt!" if you just ignore human psychology but when you do a cunty thing because of it what will be your defense?
I don't underestimate it, at all. I think a lot of people (including myself) have done and continue to do cunty things due to social pressure. What is my defense for having done something cunty due to pressure from others? None, there is no defense. No one made me, it was my choice, I was a cunt and I try to be less of a cunt now.
I'm not defending circumcision, FYI, I think it's a horrific and barbaric form of genital mutilation. I'm saying culture can convince people to do fucked up shit that normally would register as a red flag for sociopathy but they're regular people you interact with daily and don't think of as criminally insane.
Whether or not it's cultural I'm not defending it but I think you're ignoring a big part of white American culture, especially in the '80s and '90s. Everyone in my neighborhood growing up did this kind of stuff. All the boys were circumcised, all the girls had pierced ears by age 2 because they said it was "less traumatic" to do it that young. Does that mean everyone I know is a piece of shit? I think they were just ignorant. A lot of those people probably feel differently now.
I'm white and my ears were pierced by the time I was 6 months old for cultural reasons. Are you saying whites don't have cultural practices? It's such a wild take. Like yeah, we're more informed now and there shouldn't be pressure to do these things for culture or religion but depending on where in the world the baby's family lives, the access to more modern takes could be limited, or familial pressure higher.
I mean... that's WHY I included it as an example. I'm not defending it, I'm saying that there's a subtle difference between bad behavior fueled by personal choices and bad behavior fueled by social pressure. A person who is just a shitty person might not be worth your energy but social "norms" can be changed and people affected by them can be educated instead of just called cunts and written off.
I said it wasn't "acutely" cunty as in that parent is just a shitty person doing something they know is wrong or controversial because they do not care. Through ignorance I know a lot of people thought that ear piercing babies was somehow *more* ethical because they wouldn't remember the pain, just like a lot of people wrongly think circumcision on infants is less traumatic or necessary for hygiene.
1. Does it have depth? 2. Does it have warmth? 3. Does it have flexibility? 4. Can it take a pounding?
The test of not-a-cunt (aka you-might-be-mysogynist-if test):
1. Is cunt being used to put someone else down? 2. Is being called a cunt meant to be non-gender affirming, inequitable, or noninclusive? 3. Is being called a cunt meant to be mysogynistic by comparing the insulted to anything woman/feminine?
That might depend on where you’re from. I do tend to use “asshole” because everyone has one so it’s universal but “cunt” has nothing to do with genitalia for many parts of the world.
Its true both look like the same warm wet hole when globally ignoring the person attached to the wet hole - and the hole probably doesn't feel any different when you stick a dick in it (aside from the smell and color of said dick on the pull out). But anyone who has a cunt can tell you they are not the same holes at all.
So if the term isnt being used to put down someone by comlaring them to the people who have cunts, then what does that term have to do with?
Vakkeran
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SteveTheEgg
Literally just pushed an orange cat lying the same way on me.
linuxfailer
it fits kinda perfectly.
Otomasoteraph
It's soft, it's clean, it smell good and has (occasionally) some food in strange places
Allthememe2me
And warm
VinnyVeritas
That smile confers the necessary consent.
Jessicajessy5
cute 🙀 cat
stanmattan
This is fairly common where I live (Poland), especially in the rural parts of the country. Why would you do it though, I have no clue
klean9
You know, that cat licks its ass with that mouth
WindowStreetJournal
Doesn't matter, the point is WhY hEr eaRs piErCed?
WazigeWiebe
@alwaysthecheesegrater
alwaysthecheesegrater
Aww. It's warm and smells like food and love.
BusterWinkmeyer
Making sure no creature comes out of the wall to steal the baby's breath.
Dlaw25
I saw this on TV when I was a kid and no one would believe it. It was the first thing I used a search engine for, probably Ask Jeeves, and it made sense that it was Steven King.
TheVampireDante
No tiny trolls allowed in that house.
akashakat
Tis a sacred duty!
CrabbyBlueberry
Every move you make. Every breath you take. I'll be watching you. At 45 rpm.
cytherians
Kitteh: "OK, I put myself right in your face and where are my scritches?" 😏😹
Thorketil
Totally cute and all, but piercing a baby's ear for an earring? Really?
Slidje
First thing I noticed. What the fuck
WindowStreetJournal
My sister got earring soon after she was born, it was a perfectly normal thing around here, Europe, '80s.
I've never heard since then that it's something bad, this reaction is new to me.
Lisaccino
I don’t remember the pain, when I got my ears pierced as a baby. I got a second set of piercings a few years ago… the pain was irritating and frustrating to get through. I understand your concern for babies but I can assure you, they’re very resilient and in my case, forgetful. Hope this helps.
MrStealUrChange
As much as I dont think a baby needs an earring, I also never saw an issue if parents want to do it. It causes no real harm so I'm curious why it upsets you so much.
Once again, I have no strong feelings either way. Just curious
Thorketil
Well, babies move very uncoordinatedly, and it's possible they could injure themselves. It could also potentially trigger infections and allergies. The immune system is still very fragile at such a young age.
MrStealUrChange
Couldn't you say that about "going outside" too?
Im wondering specifically what about a piercing is so awful that separates it from the "acceptable".
Im just seeing a lot of rage/very strong emotional response from a lot of people about this and curious as to the why.
I agree there is a "risk" something can go wrong (ie infections/ allergies) but that risk is generally extremely low and easily dealt with isn't it?
SidewalkWidflower
This is completely commonplace in many countries around the world and part of the culture. If when the child grows they don't want them, they can just stop wearing them, but I assure you they'll never remember what it felt like.
TheLastBootyBender
And when the baby manages to take it off and swallow it?
SidewalkWidflower
You've really never seen baby earrings clearly
ieatkix
Disgusting, should be considered child abuse.
MrStealUrChange
What are your thoughts on circumcision?
ieatkix
No longer necessary, used to be a way to prevent health issues related to poor hygiene.
MrStealUrChange
Isn't that a bit like pulling someone's teeth out instead of giving them a toothbrush?
I agree it is "cleaner" if there is less there to get dirty but sounds like an extreme solution when soap solves the problem perfectly.
If people aren't practicing good hygiene WITH a circumcision than it would still be dirty (even if technically "less" dirty) and a health issue correct?
In my opinion it has never been necessary.
lujotu
Who pierces an infant's ear?
origosaved
People around the world.
lujotu
I suppose so. Doesn't strike me as the greatest idea before they really have a functional immune system. I dunno.
origosaved
I think the cat is a bigger threat to that immune system, than a tiny hole on the ear.
lujotu
Very good point
SometimesIJust
I really thought that was Frank for a second
fedupwithhumanity
Yep. Esp that tail
8gigsofshark
Same, that was my first thought
WhiskyBravo
ditto, I was like "oh look, Frank made a new friend!"
Conz
Does that baby already have earrings ? Isn't that illegal ? Literal child abuse ?
EmeraldLight
Nope, but it should be. Tons of shitty people do it to their babies, but babies have no autonomy. Similar to circumcision.
Thorketil
I see gradual differences. Earrings can be removed, and over time, the small hole in the ear will close again. With a circumcision, on the other hand, nothing grows back. Once it's gone, it's always gone. Even the occasional side effects associated with it can be permanent.
WhiskyBravo
Cat is like, he you're warm! Also... where's the food? Also Also.... baby's pierced ears made me grimace
WhiskyBravo
*hey*
dashers
I'm just thinking of the focused weight when my cat walks over me, and the little puncture wounds when he did the kneading thing. Oh, and how my kid would grab and throw things.
apple88dash2
Please tell me thats just a clip on ear ornament.. and even if it is, wtf the skin of a baby is soft and squishy as it is. Applying permanent preasure on a spot like that can be bad
Laylah77
Aww
ISofaKingWeeToddDid
Baby can’t move now
OnFridaysWeWearBeskar
I guess they aren't getting up and walking away for certain.
Default87
I dont think that was going to be a problem.
SlippeyPetey2000
Baby won't remember it, but that's a core memory right there
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
This isn’t meant to be disrespectful, but is this how you can tell if your baby is far-sighted?
Thorketil
Depending on their age, infants may not yet be able to focus on objects at different distances very well with their eyes. This is especially difficult at close range.
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
FA sho. Sometimes you don’t know your baby blind until they’re like 4 and can’t see the light on top of a mountain
EmeraldLight
I assumed it was watching a tv
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
Ah!
OnFridaysWeWearBeskar
My guess is someone is to the right of frame getting the baby's attention.
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
Could be!
familiarusername
Cunty parents sticking earrings on a baby are fucking trash.
familiarusername
Cat is cute tho
Thesaya
Indeed, I was enjoying the vid until I spotted that.
Soufange
Honestly the video stresses me out. As someone with cats these adorable idiots are spooked SO EASILY. I clip their claws almost weekly now because the fucking WIND will flutter wrong and they use my head and chest as spring boards with claws fully extended. My fattest little bastard likes to sleep on my neck when I sleep and something spooked him as he went to step on my face. It's a miracle I still have two functioning eyeballs.
EggFooYung
I saw that and i was like WTF.
IJUSTLOVEIT
In Portugal
AZJackeen
I could say the same thing about cunty parents letting they're kids shoot assault rifles, but a lot of Americans would think its fine.
wannasee
The test of cunt:
1. Does it have depth?
2. Does it have warmth?
3. Does it have flexibility?
4. Can it take a pounding?
The test of not-a-cunt (aka you-might-be-mysogynist-if test):
1. Is cunt being used to put someone else down?
2. Is being called a cunt meant to be non-gender affirming, inequitable, or noninclusive?
3. Is being called a cunt meant to be mysogynistic by comparing the insulted to anything woman/feminine?
IJUSTLOVEIT
In Portugal we have/had the tradition of piercing the ears as a baby.m. I tried to do some piercing in an older age and dammmm no yay Jose... anyway depends on the country and the tradition I think...
kiara8942000
You surely are against male circumcision, right?
familiarusername
Unless for medical reasons, I am.
ionlyregisteredtosavelinks
Mutilation is in the vogue. Jewish people take it even up a notch - genital mutilation!
MrStealUrChange
Not really a big fan of it, but i don't think its really a bad thing either.
Whats the issue with it in your opinion?
Poonzilla1
But I'm sure you're ok with mutilating their genitals though right?
familiarusername
Weird flex
Wolvenlight
Bottom surgery does not happen on minors (unless they're intersex neonates so they match a binary gender even when they aren't solely for their parents own comfort), but circumcision happens to babies all the time.
Y'all get angry about fake fantasies y'all dreamed up and yet somehow shrug at literal nazism.
eirebadboy
Why?
MrStealUrChange
Im with you.
I dont really see the issue.
Etherealvalentine
Nonconsensual altering of a human body
MsladyRiver
I agree with you I think there are worse things. I got my ears pierced as a small baby obviously I don’t remember it, but it is an a part of my culture. Would I do it to my baby, idk but I respect my mom’s decision and I love my pierced ears.
PrincessWasabi
Same, I’m glad I don’t remember that lol
cluelesscookie
Because it doesn't align with their views and that makes everyone else trash.
PookieDog
Apart from.the facy that ear piercing is painful; if you did it to an adult without their consent it would absolutely be a problem.
familiarusername
God, your username really checks out 😂
cluelesscookie
Different cultures, different standards, but I know that is hard to grasp.
ToriThoes
Right and wrong does not care about cultural norms. That’s like conflating morality with legality…
agentmcgee
Agree but sometimes it's not the parents. My sister had her ears pierced at 6 months old by a babysitter/friend of my mother with no permission from my mother or the father. My mother never spoke to her again. A friend's baby had their ears pierced by her mother-in-law, again without any parental permission. The mother-in-law didn't see the problem.
PrincessWasabi
Thats assault yo
WindowStreetJournal
My sister got earring soon after she was born, it was a perfectly normal thing around here, Europe, '80s.
I've never heard since then that it's something bad, this reaction is new to me.
WindowStreetJournal
Another SJW hysteria topic as I read the comments. Worrying about infections while there's a bag of toxoplasmosis on the baby.
ToriThoes
I think it’s more altering someone’s body without permission for strictly cosmetic reasons. They should be able to make that life-long decision themselves.
(I don’t believe earrings have ever been deemed medically necessary like other procedures that are done without consent.)
WindowStreetJournal
The permission comes from the parents, and the "alteration" isn't life-long: if the earings are not fhere, it heals within months. I've seen it on my sister's and cousins' ears.
ToriThoes
If they are taken out before they are healed, maybe? Have you never known someone who only uses earrings sometimes? How would that be possible if they were closing all the time?
dillluethesciencedude
I can't say I agree with it but some cultures pierce both boys and girls ears with a month of birth. I am not defending it, but it is very common globally.
wannasee
Agreed, this is not common to white culture so this looks like it could be child abuse and cultural misappropriation.
In many of eastern/ Asian cultures where males are more valued than females at birth, it is common to see all babies dressed in female gendered clothing and have their ears pierced so that male babies are not stolen away from the family. So ear piercing is a safety measure for a lot of these cultures.
Lionanar
What is a "white culture" ?
I live in a country were most people are born with blond hair. Some people pierce their kids, soþe people dont.
Where does "white culture" comes in ?
wannasee
What a homogenous society you live in!!
But you are correct. There is NO white culture - just a bunch of people who have misappropriated everything they call their own. Other caucasian people say they are of some euro-anglo-saxon background but whites in heterogenous cultures will say different - because their skin color may be the only they have common!
Except dog bday parties and putting mayonaise in everything - that is definitley something the white people can and should take credit for.
Lionanar
I dont know man... we, here,... we are just never wondering what race we are , or other persons.
I dont have a clue if I have Euro-anglo- saxaphone shit, or Euro-mayonaise- Trumphet.
We are all just people here... (and most of them bad at it) .
As a European, I wouldnt toutch a jar of mayonaise with a stick!! :)
Mhynt
The real answer as I thought of this comment through the day is Dunbars number. Which is theoretically 150. 150 the average person can literally can maintain a social relationship. Yet see the number. Our society is huge and organizations can and need more than that. So what do we do... We factionalize, we think groups and swathes and creeds as us or them. In doing so we rationalize while groups as innately good or evil for the better process due to our own human nature, hardwired and exploited.
DoctorWookie
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dm5zcXQ1YnhnZmF1cGRucWtxNmduMWtzbHBlcTJpb2s3MnlodW90ZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/tFgqMnnW3zE1a/200w.webp
ChicanoBatman
Hola from Mexico....
Retrikaethan
that sounds like saying a whole lot of people are actually garbage.
familiarusername
I know, but honestly, given the shown environment and the very white baby, my money isn't on a cultural thing, I'm sure you can agree to that.
wannasee
Yeah this looks like cultural misappropriation
hatsuseno
Yeah, nah, you're off the mark if you think white folks haven't been doing this forever as well. They have where I'm from.
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Wouldn't bet on that. There also are a lot of white people getting their male baby circumcised, like 80% of the male babies in the US.
familiarusername
And they’re all idiots. Sorry.
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
No need to say sorry: they are!
migratingotter
This started as a religious and hygienic practice. The Jews first started it and continue to now. If you’re in an area that’s hot, sandy with very little water, cleaning under the foreskin can be challenging. If not done it can harbor bacteria that can cause PID in female sex partners and lead to sterility and possibly death. This was continued when the Jews that followed Jesus split off and continued many of the Jewish practices. So it became a Catholic ritual.
wannasee
And you will rarely see such a barbaric action misappropriated by other cultures.
IneverWantedToBeBorn
yeah , I'm kinda curious as to why it's a "county" move
Mhynt
I'm sure it's just a typo.
The answer is opinion. Although there are people of all ages, race, religion, culture and sexual identity, we still align w imaginary sides. Not just in personal opinions, but matters big and small. People are forever opinionated and reasons won't justify most anybody.
I'm used to culturally children get earrings young, but other groups will see it on other terms that never catch me. Just bears to think about...
AccidentallySecretPillow
Forced body mutilation
captainnewbi
It's not permanent is it?
MadamPuddifoot
It's still getting stabbed with a sharp object without giving permission.
ToriThoes
You maintain the piercing for a few weeks while scars form around the metal. It is meant to be permanent.
MadamPuddifoot
Cuz they have no say in a sharp object being jammed into their body? It's body modification against their will.
IneverWantedToBeBorn
? most ladies have their ears pierced ?
lujotu
Do you consider a 2 month old to be a lady?
MadamPuddifoot
Yeah if they CHOOSE to.
IneverWantedToBeBorn
they also don't have a say In what food they eat , what they watch and when they bathe . is that a limit on their freedom or somehow a form of torture? and I ain't being argumentative or edgy I honestly am asking .
MadamPuddifoot
Keeping them healthy and alive is a lot different than adding decorations to their head. 😑
Thorketil
Well, with the food thing, at least they can make it clear whether they like it or whether they want to mess up the dining room. I'm thinking of spinach, for example. A great color for splashing around the room!
muffmunchies
Piercing is a risk of infection which a baby is already particularly vulnerable to as their bodies are still developing defenses. A piercing can also leave scaring or potentially be a permanent alteration to the body. Every person deserves the respect of having consent considered on such unnecessary aesthetic procedures when they are old enough to comprehend and make such a decision for themselves. Babies are small people not property like a stuffed animal. Risk & consent matter.
Wikipedo
I mean, FGM is common, but horrendous anyway
sal0qwerty
Don't even ask about MGM
TimeFoDat
I wouldn't say it's acute cuntery, it can be cultural just like circumcision. Social norms are POWERFUL and people will do some fucked up shit without really thinking about it. The test of how cunty these people are is if they turn around, slap on a red hat and say gender-affirming care is "mutilation".
ancalime
Circumcision for cultural reasons is absolute cunt behaviour. It is a medical procedure and should only be used for medical reasons.
TimeFoDat
I don't disagree but there is a LOT of social pressure in a lot of parts of the world (including here in the U.S.) to do it. Don't underestimate social pressure, it doesn't just make people do cunty things, it can make you hurt yourself or make huge sacrifices just to avoid small inconveniences or awkward interactions with other people. It's easy to say "What a cunt!" if you just ignore human psychology but when you do a cunty thing because of it what will be your defense?
ancalime
I don't underestimate it, at all. I think a lot of people (including myself) have done and continue to do cunty things due to social pressure. What is my defense for having done something cunty due to pressure from others? None, there is no defense. No one made me, it was my choice, I was a cunt and I try to be less of a cunt now.
BladeTurMoiL
Fuck circumcision even with culture. It should only ever be done for medical reasons. Mutilating babies is not okay.
TimeFoDat
I'm not defending circumcision, FYI, I think it's a horrific and barbaric form of genital mutilation. I'm saying culture can convince people to do fucked up shit that normally would register as a red flag for sociopathy but they're regular people you interact with daily and don't think of as criminally insane.
DinkyDoinky
Genital mutilation you mean?
familiarusername
Look at the baby; this isn't a cultural thing. It's some Karen who wants her baby to look cute and has no problem hurting her when doing so.
8gigsofshark
You're an idiot if you think "culture" is something only POC do. White is not default blank state humanity.
familiarusername
I have no idea what you’re saying, sorry.
8gigsofshark
Ok then what do you mean by saying that by looking at the baby you can tell the parents don't have cultural practices?
TimeFoDat
Whether or not it's cultural I'm not defending it but I think you're ignoring a big part of white American culture, especially in the '80s and '90s. Everyone in my neighborhood growing up did this kind of stuff. All the boys were circumcised, all the girls had pierced ears by age 2 because they said it was "less traumatic" to do it that young. Does that mean everyone I know is a piece of shit? I think they were just ignorant. A lot of those people probably feel differently now.
runesky77
I'm white and my ears were pierced by the time I was 6 months old for cultural reasons. Are you saying whites don't have cultural practices? It's such a wild take. Like yeah, we're more informed now and there shouldn't be pressure to do these things for culture or religion but depending on where in the world the baby's family lives, the access to more modern takes could be limited, or familial pressure higher.
donorkort
Cultural circumcisions of your infants are a cunty move too. This shouldn't be hard for you to realize.
TimeFoDat
I mean... that's WHY I included it as an example. I'm not defending it, I'm saying that there's a subtle difference between bad behavior fueled by personal choices and bad behavior fueled by social pressure. A person who is just a shitty person might not be worth your energy but social "norms" can be changed and people affected by them can be educated instead of just called cunts and written off.
donorkort
Sorry, that is not how I read your message at all. I read it as "it isn't cuntery, it can just be ".
TimeFoDat
I said it wasn't "acutely" cunty as in that parent is just a shitty person doing something they know is wrong or controversial because they do not care. Through ignorance I know a lot of people thought that ear piercing babies was somehow *more* ethical because they wouldn't remember the pain, just like a lot of people wrongly think circumcision on infants is less traumatic or necessary for hygiene.
wannasee
The test of cunt:
1. Does it have depth?
2. Does it have warmth?
3. Does it have flexibility?
4. Can it take a pounding?
The test of not-a-cunt (aka you-might-be-mysogynist-if test):
1. Is cunt being used to put someone else down?
2. Is being called a cunt meant to be non-gender affirming, inequitable, or noninclusive?
3. Is being called a cunt meant to be mysogynistic by comparing the insulted to anything woman/feminine?
TimeFoDat
That might depend on where you’re from. I do tend to use “asshole” because everyone has one so it’s universal but “cunt” has nothing to do with genitalia for many parts of the world.
wannasee
Its true both look like the same warm wet hole when globally ignoring the person attached to the wet hole - and the hole probably doesn't feel any different when you stick a dick in it (aside from the smell and color of said dick on the pull out). But anyone who has a cunt can tell you they are not the same holes at all.
So if the term isnt being used to put down someone by comlaring them to the people who have cunts, then what does that term have to do with?