Nah, that woman was fundamentally changed. A MAGAt would be the same afterwards, maybe a bit more shit in their pants and drool on their face, but that's it.
Facts are facts. And it's sometimes a hard pill to swallow.
The thing that gets me is trying to get them to be empathetic. Empathy is easy when compared to truly accepting facts counter to your beliefs. Loving the foreigner, feeding the hungry, and forgiveness. All that hippy shit from the sermon on the mount.
Fascists don't care about facts. They believe reality is dictated by a higher Truth; when reality contradicts their Truth, it is reality that is lying. Reality changes, it is ever subject to reappraisal. Truth is eternal, however it is now is how it has always been and will always be. Yet, when the needs of today contradict the needs of yesterday, the eternal, perfect Truth changes, but it has always, retroactively, been as it now is. They see you as weak for basing your beliefs on base reality.
You're never going to change their mind because you're not on the same level with them. When you think of politics you are thinking about policies, morals, diplomacy, and the economy. When they think about politics they think about standing on one side of the road and throwing rocks at the people on the other side of the road. They want to be on the side with the most rocks and the best throwers. You have to convince them that their weird idols are not on the same side of the road as they are.
As Abigail thorn said, "They're just not listening". Conservatives have honed their brains into a smooth rock hard shell that doesn't allow independent thought.
I'm convinced there's not actually a brain in there. Instead it's one of those greeting cards where you can record a 30s message that plays every time you open it
My retired Air Force meteorologist ass got into a fb fight with MAGA. He told me he thinks the rising sea levels are caused by rocks falling in and not the by-product of the industrial revolution. So that was fun
They hear, but they don't listen. As soon as they hear your fact filled response starting out, they shift to "nah, nah, nah, lah, lah, lah, can't hear you, fake news, Marxist radical Democrats always lie, blah, blah, blah, blah..."
They've cemented their mindset to auto-reject anything coming from the left. It's that insidiously fucked up.
Thats why you have to get them to explain. Look at every video where you see their arthritic brains sputter to a halt at basic questions. It forces them to think about the bullshit that they constant regurgitate. If you attack them by giving actual facts they lock down and repeat their memorized dogma. If you ask for a thorough explanation of their side and how it connects to the world around them, they freeze. And in that moment they think. That is how you break them.
Hammering that same tactic over and over will break them out of it. It will take ages, it will take insane amounts of effort and frustration. It is only remotly worth it when dealing with close family that you actually want to salvage. Otherwise its a waste of effort. These are people that fall below the "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" standard. You have to trick them into even moving by convincing them it was their idea the whole way.
The more you try to demean and dehumanize conservatives, the more you’ll continue to lose elections. And for a group as unhinged and insane as you, I couldn’t be more thankful.
Wolfshead009
If you could reason with a Drumpf supporter, they wouldn't BE a Drumpf supporter.
Shade169
nah - that forcibly converted them - trumptards cant be convinced
SavageDrums
Nah, that woman was fundamentally changed. A MAGAt would be the same afterwards, maybe a bit more shit in their pants and drool on their face, but that's it.
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
Facts are facts. And it's sometimes a hard pill to swallow.
The thing that gets me is trying to get them to be empathetic. Empathy is easy when compared to truly accepting facts counter to your beliefs. Loving the foreigner, feeding the hungry, and forgiveness. All that hippy shit from the sermon on the mount.
Alvatore
Well now they're on about "Empathy is a sin" and "jesus is a weak liberal" so..
PhailRaptor
It defies all *uarp* logic, Morty!
PrinceMaxx7
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StrandedonEarth
This was the comment I was looking for....
dbox
Not a good meme based on what he was trying to make her see in the movie.
dragonsdemesne
Well, you aren't wrong about that. Dunning and Kruger wrote a paper on it.
LtRooney
Fascists don't care about facts. They believe reality is dictated by a higher Truth; when reality contradicts their Truth, it is reality that is lying. Reality changes, it is ever subject to reappraisal. Truth is eternal, however it is now is how it has always been and will always be. Yet, when the needs of today contradict the needs of yesterday, the eternal, perfect Truth changes, but it has always, retroactively, been as it now is. They see you as weak for basing your beliefs on base reality.
qtRaven
DemonKysho
Gryphonosiris
The irony of this is that Jerry Doyle went on to become a conservative radio show host.
jimmythehat1
trump supporters value their opinions and feelings more than facts.
evitavresnoc
The irony of this posted on the liberal cesspool that is Imgur…
TheSecondPiewackit
Nice first comment.
GoodBrotherGrimm
Go on then. How is this "ironic"?
buffetbear
SteerpikeSteerpike
This is the scary part. A lot of them know. They just dont care. They know he lies and cheats and flip flops, but they just dont care.
He could SA their own children in their dining room table and still follow his every command.
That's why it's a cult.
GeneralPrower
They will endure any degree of suffering if they believe "duh libz" are suffering more.
SteerpikeSteerpike
"It could always be worse". Its both a comfort and a threat.
MAGAts comfort themselves with the fact that it could always be worse than it is now, supposedly, if a Dem was in office.
Its a threat by way of if they dont continue to follow the word of the king, it will be for them.
They are prisoners of their party, and too far gone to turn back now.
ApothecaryGrant
You're never going to change their mind because you're not on the same level with them. When you think of politics you are thinking about policies, morals, diplomacy, and the economy. When they think about politics they think about standing on one side of the road and throwing rocks at the people on the other side of the road. They want to be on the side with the most rocks and the best throwers. You have to convince them that their weird idols are not on the same side of the road as they are.
BIGMARCUS
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NnJ6OHYwNW5rem84dmd5YnUwZGJvdzR5aHZxeDk4bXZvMXl0MWc5byZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/eunrMjB8lBUKeL1fqD/200w.webp
Sebastopol140
cattlegrazer82
Oh, what a world
GatorConspiracy
I wish
Clockworkdancerobot
As Abigail thorn said, "They're just not listening". Conservatives have honed their brains into a smooth rock hard shell that doesn't allow independent thought.
Gonstackk
Not sure where this originally came from but here ya go.
Rabeandre
I'm convinced there's not actually a brain in there. Instead it's one of those greeting cards where you can record a 30s message that plays every time you open it
StarscreamAndHutch
Smooth brains!
Bigblackdick69
My retired Air Force meteorologist ass got into a fb fight with MAGA. He told me he thinks the rising sea levels are caused by rocks falling in and not the by-product of the industrial revolution. So that was fun
cytherians
They hear, but they don't listen. As soon as they hear your fact filled response starting out, they shift to "nah, nah, nah, lah, lah, lah, can't hear you, fake news, Marxist radical Democrats always lie, blah, blah, blah, blah..."
They've cemented their mindset to auto-reject anything coming from the left. It's that insidiously fucked up.
Asadsadsadclown
Thats why you have to get them to explain. Look at every video where you see their arthritic brains sputter to a halt at basic questions. It forces them to think about the bullshit that they constant regurgitate. If you attack them by giving actual facts they lock down and repeat their memorized dogma. If you ask for a thorough explanation of their side and how it connects to the world around them, they freeze. And in that moment they think. That is how you break them.
Asadsadsadclown
Hammering that same tactic over and over will break them out of it. It will take ages, it will take insane amounts of effort and frustration. It is only remotly worth it when dealing with close family that you actually want to salvage. Otherwise its a waste of effort. These are people that fall below the "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" standard. You have to trick them into even moving by convincing them it was their idea the whole way.
evitavresnoc
The more you try to demean and dehumanize conservatives, the more you’ll continue to lose elections. And for a group as unhinged and insane as you, I couldn’t be more thankful.
GoodBrotherGrimm
Qaetan
Maybe you should start acting like humans, then.
You wouldn't survive a day if progressives treated conservatives like conservatives treat progressives.
Kbantar
Anyone that calls empathy a sin is beyond redemption.
dontrike
Perhaps the pedophiles should start thinking for once in their god damned lives instead of listening to fascists.
TheSecondPiewackit
Nice second comment.
Wolfshead009
We don't need to demean and dehumanize them. They are doing nicely on their own.