For everyone saying we should shoot these officers, set the example: If you find yourself in this kind of situation, take out your gun and shoot every officer present, then come back here and tell us how it went.
For everyone else, remember that those in power WANT us to get violent so they can crack down even harder and use lethal force at will. We have to be smarter than going for the knee-jerk reaction.
You know, that masked bounty hunter spilling the beans was "trying" to "do the right thing" to give notice to authorities. He let his own perspective on capitalism get in the way, and that's why he was shutdown. He said, "That's not right, that's *your* problem" --- he really should have said, "That's what the problem is." If he'd have said it like that then it would have helped the information to continue.
Yeah. That train of thought is a big reason why politics are the way that they are. Politicians and government officials get it in their head that they "don't need" to hear this sort of discourse. They are sorely wrong.
VIOLENT REACTION IS WHAT TRUMP WANTS. He wants to declare marshal law. He is itching for it. Marshal law will allow him to suspend all protests and let him take his final step towards dictatorship.
He HATES that we have made him look like a pointless, money-squandering idiot. It is fracturing the GOP down MAGA/Fiscal Conservative lines. Los Angeles is winning.
Yes, this is ICE being inexcusably brutal. But the casualties would be 100x worse if we gave them the violent reaponse they long for
Btw- Sorry for the spelling. I did too much on Monday and will be paying for it via exhaustion & brain fog for the next week. Trump fucked up thousands of folks like me his first term, and now he’s looking to screw over the rest of the country.
A bounty hunter came to them with intel, saying that he was alarmed at ICE's offers of 1k-1.5k "per illegal" and instead of being concerned that ICE is putting cash bounties on the heads of immigrants, the panel is butthurt because the guy said the word "illegals"??? Effing hell, typical liberal b.s. being more offended at problematic language than they are offended by the actual problem of people being trafficked by ICE.
I hope one day (2028 election), someone takes over America's government, declares all this hugely illegal, pulls out records of who got paid what, and arrests all these modern day 'slave catchers' as well as reclaiming all the money they were paid, jailing them and the people that authorised it all. And they all get their own publicly released factfile with mugshots so they can never wash the stink off what they did.
Trump said last April, "homegrowns are next." If you're going to record ICE use zoom/telephoto from a safe distance. This will give you a good head start to escape their grasp.
So this is the new American Cartel that focuses on trafiking people, american born or not. Got it.
I honestly can't wait to start seeing people with baseball bats and machetes ganking on these pathetic puppets of "agents" to rescue whoever is getting detained.
I'm seriously just wanting something to happen to these ridiculous "agents"...
Wouldn't it be justified to use the 2A for this very thing if it is illegal tyranny? Isn't that what the 2A is supposed to be for? The whole 'protection of a free state'?
I dunno so much bout Murrican "Cartels," unless it's the TINY Peen Energy Syndicate, ICE. I wanna see ICE step foot in like the S. Side of Chicago, or like any of the Chicago or Chicagoland Italian, Slavic, Hispanic, Black, Asian, & Arab "Nations/Hoods," (Folks & People, like Mid-West Bloods & Crypts). These ICE fuckers would drop somewhere between their rides and w/e house or building to which they were going, while their ride(s) get(s) magically "POOFED," before Cops & Ambos arrive. -_- LMAO!
Addendum; why do you think they're ONLY going to like Home Depot, busting protesters, & going after weird "tips" (Snitches SHOULD get STITCHES). They couldn't even dream of approaching REAL, Organized Crime, Illegals. PLUS, it's always the worst when the Gov gets involved. Look what happened to ALL the fuckin big Unions when the Feds got involved to bust the "Head Mobsters". All those Unions went to shit, so all the fuckin rank & file workers had their insurances lowered & got fucked on payroll.
It gets even better. Our Gov literally went in front of US Congress & said, we pay our local cops for local law enforcement, the Fed pays their LEOs for Fed law enforcement. As such, the Feds can't ask for the help of locals, because that's double fuckin dipping or in laymen's terms fuckin FRAUD. The best part of this is, besides the INTERNAL "Cop Gangs," a LOT of Cops have deeeep "Nation/Hood," affiliations. ICE here would be like strange bacteria trying to grow on BLUE (Penicillin) Cheese. LOL
I can't be the only one who noticed the one cop in the orange shirt, stepping on his asshole and balls while punching him in the small of his back in the first clip, right? Fucking unbelievable.
Um... N.B.: That fucker in the first video pulls on the man's legs past the normal rotational extent (i.e. it hurts like fuck), punches his coccyx, and even *CLEARLY* violently steps on his balls with full force from behind. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK DID I JUST WATCH!?
a bunch of paid bounty hunters attacking a man. This isn't ICE or FBI or SHERIFF or whatever bullshot patches they buy off the internet. These are just men hired to collect "illegals" for $1000/head
It's legal because the government says it is (regardless of the law) and the people aren't killing the kidnappers or the fascists in government responsible for their actions. The US no longer has rule of law.
Go listen to the behind the bastards podcast on the history of ICE and border patrol. It's informative, if depressing and infuriating, and should be wider spread knowledge.
Essentially they are working as intended. They've done this before, and will continue to do this.
"Violence solves nothing" is a phrase made up by oppressors to trick you into letting yourself be oppressed. History teaches us that yes, violence does work. And they believe it too because they are literally using violence to enact their agenda.
Time and time again it is non-violence that doesn't work, to a point where even the indomitable Dr. King admitted that, while he was not willing to make the jump himself, he saw the efficacy and necessity of it for others to perform.
Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that 'violence never settles anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoléon Bonaparte and of The Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee..." — Lt. Col. Jean V. DuBois
The whole "violence is not the way" bullshit was created by violent people so they could get away with their violent ways.
Yes, violence is an option, now more than ever. Don't try to be "the better person" when nazis are involved. Shoot them in the fucking face, clock them in the fucking jaw, beat the living shit out of them.
Same as "money can't buy happiness". Bitch, money would solve literally every one of my problems. I'd gain a lot of happiness with this whole "where to live, what to eat" situation sorted out..
Non-violence was brainwashed into the US population by the rich and powerful so the population would not rise up and kill them for corruption! It's all a fallacy of the rich who control the minds of the non-rich.
A lot of liberals genuinely believe, because I've seen it argued first-hand, that worker's rights just 'happened' one day because bosses saw the benefits of having a more robust and rested work-force, when in reality the only reason worker's rights exist is so that bosses could barter themselves out of getting beaten to bloody death in front of their wives and children.
Nobody wants to escalate but literally violently stopping ice would, bare with me, stop ICE. The fact none of these fuckers have been shot yet is astounding.
You don't even need to shoot them to make them stop. I think a few hits while dragging the abductee to safety would do it. And if it happens enough times, they would back down, because fascists inherently do things because they think they can get away with it- they break down at the slightest actual opposition, like school bullies.
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Peoples that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms” - Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
He's right but I don't want to glaze Starship Troopers (the book) too much.
Heinlein was a really complicated man, with a lot of his literature highly contradictive, which leads me to believe his work to be more about exploring questions within certain ideologies than necessarily holding them. But it's difficult to take the chance on him.
I think the idea of restricting the franchise to those willing to invest a significant portion of their lives in public service is certainly interesting (note that in the book he makes it clear that service is not necessarily military and is an absolute right for anyone, so that the only bar on the franchise is the willingness to devote a portion of your life to the good of the state) but in practice, like most proposed restrictions on franchise, it would be manipulated to oppress people.
It would be a lot more grim if it was set in a humans-on-humans scenario, choosing bugs- even bugs that earth antagonized into war- seemed like a pretty deliberate suspension of disbelief, there.
The bugs were a fairly transparent analogy for communists to be fair, down to the 'wave of bodies' tactics that were popular with soviet and chinese commanders.
Violence is the answer. It solves everything. They use it on us every fucking day. Because it fucking works. Violence not being the answer was invented by a man with a whip.
If only you knew how many times I've come to blows with protest-busters in country.
But, that said, I'm not a US citizen, and if an anarchist like me were to try and come to the US, I'd pretty much be put on a straight detour to El Salvador. So, why don't you defend yourself and your own people?
No, I'm not. I'm just a regular person. I'm just joining protests, and I'm gearing up for resistance because time and time again we're being assailed.
To not bring things like masks, or water, or steel-toed boots is to just make myself a potential victim. Which is usually the thing far-right agent provocateurs try to dissuade people of- protecting themselves, revealing their face at all times, not gathering and staying quiet and at home, and 'fixing your own life'.
Luigi took the initiative, and y'all just sat back and went 'cool', and let him get sentenced to whatever he's going to get. Life in prison? Death penalty? I'm not sure anymore.
I was on the street in my country and honestly as an actual leftist who fights fascism, anyone who glorifies Luigi going around posting picture of him as jesus etc. is a coward and a moron in my eyes. Idiots who are waiting for someone else to do the dirty work for them. I'm outside. Catch me there if you want to actually do something against fascism.
I mean the SRA, NAAGA, redneck revolt, black rose, ect are showing up to protests and helping people organize but the current government doesn't seem to respect Americans or Congress. I don't see a peaceful resolution as possible especially since the majority house Democrats voted against impeaching Trump. Although I am a traditional anarchist, I am biased against the belief that political systems can be reformed without failing first.
Are you saying I'm not 'an actual leftist'? Because I mentioned earlier that I'm out there protesting and marching, I just don't happen to live in a country where cops are shooting out eyes with rubber bullets. But even if that were the case, that wouldn't stop me, that would in fact increase the importance of getting out there.
Nice way to tell me that you're a fucking piece of shit coward who is waiting in his comfort zone for the Nazis to be done with putting people into concentration camps. If you'd live in Nazi Germany you'd be watching them kill jews. You're doing exactly that right now.
These same people protesting ICE are the same people who spent the last 30 years demonizing gun owners and trying to make it as miserable as possible to own a gun in my state. I've seen a lot of posting by them demanding that these same gun owners now come out and put their lives/freedom on the line for them, with zero acknowledgement for the part they've played in making it harder to do that.
I think a good leftist knows the value in having an armed populace capable of defending their interests. Unfortunately, a lot of the less-committed American people have been suckered into the liberal delusion that inaction and complacency is the optimal route to peace and happiness. At least, that's the impression I get looking at the bulk of their leadership.
To be fair those enforcement guys are not very bright, not very well trained or disciplined but they are very pumped up with aggression and entitlement. Their president has shown them they'll be immune from justice via pardon so the chances of coming out of that situation with your liberty and/or your life are slim
I get your frustration however, that lady at the end... What would she be able to do there? Now if you're talking about ganking up on them... bro... Let's go feet first!
Mostly you only need one to lead on and other will follow. But I have to say, I'm not from the US and not sure if I would be brave enough out of fear of getting shot to Go all in. Here in my home country I've done things and do them again to help others I'd fear to do in the US. To me it seems they lost all civilized restaint already.
As someone who traveled across my country to take part in protest with numbers that shit hole US would wish they had and has fought actual skinheads... get that log out of your ass and stop projecting your own discomfort in doing nothing against this on to others. Just because you're not doing shit, doesn't mean we're not doing shit. So get off of your high horse and fucking do something you coward.
It’s the 100 men vs a gorilla. Yea the 100 could beat him but they signed up for that. Random bystanders are not going to be coordinated enough. But filming it is probably the best weapon they have. It separates the attackers to confront them at a time of our choosing, preferably in front of a judge and striped if all authority, dignity, and privilege they once had.
"I would simply defeat the ice agents with my Kung Fu and mastery of magic"
Shut up with the larping. You do that, you get shot, and the regime have an excuse to become even more extreme in their violence.
People live in the real world where 3-4 dudes equipped, expecting, and prepared for violence are not pulled off an innocent man by an impromptu tag team of passers by.
Funny fact about a cage, they're never built for just one group So when that cage is done with them and you still poor, it come for you The newest lowest on the totem, well golly gee, you have been used You helped to fuel the death machine that down the line will kill you too
Or deported themselves after being disappeared. No trial case to prove you are a resident citizen of the US. Just retaliatory action by a government funded gang that operates anonymously with no checks or fear of retribution because they won't be held accountable.
greggbert
Love that order "stop shaking"
depotdan
I'm surprised that someone hasn't been 'in fear of their life' and shot some of these unidentified masked kidnappers
HistoricalContext
They're very pointedly only operating in areas where that would be unlikely.
armstrongdavidmorgan360
There comes a point where it will need to be like force for like force against them. Because human rights deserve that.
circlebreaker
Long past that point.
MyVirginityIsGrowingBack
Imagine if they put this much effort into stopping school shooters.
fknbastard
There’s what like 10+ ICE, 1 FBI, and then looks like another half dozen LAPD for one undocumented immigrant.
UseYourVoice
For everyone saying we should shoot these officers, set the example: If you find yourself in this kind of situation, take out your gun and shoot every officer present, then come back here and tell us how it went.
For everyone else, remember that those in power WANT us to get violent so they can crack down even harder and use lethal force at will. We have to be smarter than going for the knee-jerk reaction.
afyrwench
Still reminds me of nazi’s attacking the Jews
richaMarblePrince
Arbitrarynamehere
Never really liked ice / water
vericon151
I like ice in my glass, not beating some guys ass.
nation543
You know, that masked bounty hunter spilling the beans was "trying" to "do the right thing" to give notice to authorities. He let his own perspective on capitalism get in the way, and that's why he was shutdown. He said, "That's not right, that's *your* problem" --- he really should have said, "That's what the problem is." If he'd have said it like that then it would have helped the information to continue.
jackal696
Didn't really seem like the "authorities " cared too much anyways, oh he's being angry, go away la la la la la la
nation543
Yeah. That train of thought is a big reason why politics are the way that they are. Politicians and government officials get it in their head that they "don't need" to hear this sort of discourse. They are sorely wrong.
Userlivewire
Time for liberal people as a group to start learning how to carry firearms.
Zootsoot
VIOLENT REACTION IS WHAT TRUMP WANTS.
He wants to declare marshal law.
He is itching for it.
Marshal law will allow him to suspend all protests and let him take his final step towards dictatorship.
He HATES that we have made him
look like a pointless, money-squandering idiot. It is fracturing the GOP down MAGA/Fiscal Conservative lines. Los Angeles is winning.
Yes, this is ICE being inexcusably brutal. But the casualties would be 100x worse if we gave them the violent reaponse they long for
Zootsoot
Btw- Sorry for the spelling. I did too much on Monday and will be paying for it via exhaustion & brain fog for the next week. Trump fucked up thousands of folks like me his first term, and now he’s looking to screw over the rest of the country.
DeadWhiteMale
Criminals. All of them.
Truitti
Cant you call them in for armed assault or something?
FromQueerToEternity
ICE are enemy combatants.
torokunai
Same shit, different century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1850
Saturniidae
A bounty hunter came to them with intel, saying that he was alarmed at ICE's offers of 1k-1.5k "per illegal" and instead of being concerned that ICE is putting cash bounties on the heads of immigrants, the panel is butthurt because the guy said the word "illegals"??? Effing hell, typical liberal b.s. being more offended at problematic language than they are offended by the actual problem of people being trafficked by ICE.
speerface
4 cops struggling to handle a single dude? What a bunch of fucking losers.
sharperimage
Fucking Gestapo
VonDiesel1977
I hope one day (2028 election), someone takes over America's government, declares all this hugely illegal, pulls out records of who got paid what, and arrests all these modern day 'slave catchers' as well as reclaiming all the money they were paid, jailing them and the people that authorised it all. And they all get their own publicly released factfile with mugshots so they can never wash the stink off what they did.
TimmyTimm
How long before kidnappers put on ICE shirts and grab people they want to ransom?
TheHelleri
Police, so called bounty hunters, doesn't matter who they are. Anyone who aids ICE is a fascist collaborator and should be treated as such.
rippert
Welcome to the land of the free... Or do you call it the American dream
SaintSleepyWeasel
In California we are trying to pass a law where officers are not allowed to cover their face.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Im sure ICE will 100% cooperate with that law /s
FelonyRaptor
I don't think these are officers nor do any laws apply to them. They're Trumps own Gestapo with unlimited power.
chatawillybilly
Trump said last April, "homegrowns are next." If you're going to record ICE use zoom/telephoto from a safe distance. This will give you a good head start to escape their grasp.
PJamz
So this is the new American Cartel that focuses on trafiking people, american born or not. Got it.
I honestly can't wait to start seeing people with baseball bats and machetes ganking on these pathetic puppets of "agents" to rescue whoever is getting detained.
I'm seriously just wanting something to happen to these ridiculous "agents"...
iiiliiiiliiiiilllllllllii
Wouldn't it be justified to use the 2A for this very thing if it is illegal tyranny? Isn't that what the 2A is supposed to be for? The whole 'protection of a free state'?
EleganceIsDead
I dunno so much bout Murrican "Cartels," unless it's the TINY Peen Energy Syndicate, ICE. I wanna see ICE step foot in like the S. Side of Chicago, or like any of the Chicago or Chicagoland Italian, Slavic, Hispanic, Black, Asian, & Arab "Nations/Hoods," (Folks & People, like Mid-West Bloods & Crypts). These ICE fuckers would drop somewhere between their rides and w/e house or building to which they were going, while their ride(s) get(s) magically "POOFED," before Cops & Ambos arrive. -_- LMAO!
PJamz
HAHAHAHAAHAHAH I LOVED THIS!!! (upvoted)
EleganceIsDead
Addendum; why do you think they're ONLY going to like Home Depot, busting protesters, & going after weird "tips" (Snitches SHOULD get STITCHES). They couldn't even dream of approaching REAL, Organized Crime, Illegals. PLUS, it's always the worst when the Gov gets involved. Look what happened to ALL the fuckin big Unions when the Feds got involved to bust the "Head Mobsters". All those Unions went to shit, so all the fuckin rank & file workers had their insurances lowered & got fucked on payroll.
PJamz
I love you (upvoted again)
EleganceIsDead
It gets even better. Our Gov literally went in front of US Congress & said, we pay our local cops for local law enforcement, the Fed pays their LEOs for Fed law enforcement. As such, the Feds can't ask for the help of locals, because that's double fuckin dipping or in laymen's terms fuckin FRAUD. The best part of this is, besides the INTERNAL "Cop Gangs," a LOT of Cops have deeeep "Nation/Hood," affiliations. ICE here would be like strange bacteria trying to grow on BLUE (Penicillin) Cheese. LOL
PJamz
ICE needs a kick in the dick... several times....all of them. LI-TE-RA-LY
fractalsphere
fucking gestapo tactics
wadatahmydamie
They hate being called Gestappo agents but like, what is it they think the Gestappo did?
OldNewAccount
ICE is not police. Shoot them on sight.
zanaria
Looks like they were trying to put his head on the curb and kneel on his neck...
circlebreaker
I can't be the only one who noticed the one cop in the orange shirt, stepping on his asshole and balls while punching him in the small of his back in the first clip, right? Fucking unbelievable.
n0n53n53
these are not trained law enforcement. They are contracted thugs. They need to be resisted at all costs
zanaria
To be fair, police aren't "trained" law enforcement either...
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Which, even if they were actual police (they are not) is illegal for police to do.
flamingflamingo
And then that guy literally stepped on his balls and punched him either in the ass or lower back, wtf.
RaspK
Um... N.B.: That fucker in the first video pulls on the man's legs past the normal rotational extent (i.e. it hurts like fuck), punches his coccyx, and even *CLEARLY* violently steps on his balls with full force from behind. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK DID I JUST WATCH!?
circlebreaker
Law enforcement that's beyond the reach of the courts. They can do whatever they want and get away with it.
RaspK
"Law enforcement" is one way to put it...
n0n53n53
a bunch of paid bounty hunters attacking a man. This isn't ICE or FBI or SHERIFF or whatever bullshot patches they buy off the internet. These are just men hired to collect "illegals" for $1000/head
RaspK
I am aware of what *they* are, but the point is that this is *BEYOND* excuses; it's completely unconscionable!!
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
HOW IS THAT FUCKING LEGAL. That’s some third world country cartel shit.
Remmon1
It's legal because the government says it is (regardless of the law) and the people aren't killing the kidnappers or the fascists in government responsible for their actions. The US no longer has rule of law.
RaspK
I sure hope it's *NOT* legal in any way; definitely excused by the regime, still.
magus200342
Go listen to the behind the bastards podcast on the history of ICE and border patrol. It's informative, if depressing and infuriating, and should be wider spread knowledge.
Essentially they are working as intended. They've done this before, and will continue to do this.
rusrsdude
Tbf a similar thing happened in the Phillippines, which is a 3rd world country.
n0n53n53
I'm sure it'll turn out that it isn't legal and someone will say "oops" and ain't shit gonna happen about it
GenStrike
That's what America was founded on.
IchtacaSebonhera
People be like "violence solves nothing"
Correction. Violence would stop every one of these individual abductions.
aap71
by the same token, violence effectively deported illegals
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
It could even rid this planet of assholes who dehumanize people as "illegals".
notmyrealface
"Violence solves nothing" is a phrase made up by oppressors to trick you into letting yourself be oppressed. History teaches us that yes, violence does work. And they believe it too because they are literally using violence to enact their agenda.
IchtacaSebonhera
Time and time again it is non-violence that doesn't work, to a point where even the indomitable Dr. King admitted that, while he was not willing to make the jump himself, he saw the efficacy and necessity of it for others to perform.
JackDeHearts
Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that 'violence never settles anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoléon Bonaparte and of The Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee..."
— Lt. Col. Jean V. DuBois
johnvictor
I'd just run into them, barrel them down.
JustAnInternetPerson
The whole "violence is not the way" bullshit was created by violent people so they could get away with their violent ways.
Yes, violence is an option, now more than ever. Don't try to be "the better person" when nazis are involved. Shoot them in the fucking face, clock them in the fucking jaw, beat the living shit out of them.
ThatHurts
Same as "money can't buy happiness". Bitch, money would solve literally every one of my problems. I'd gain a lot of happiness with this whole "where to live, what to eat" situation sorted out..
n0n53n53
they're are way outnumbered on the streets. Stop waiting around for the real cops to do nothing
terdFerguson3electricFergaloo
Non-violence was brainwashed into the US population by the rich and powerful so the population would not rise up and kill them for corruption! It's all a fallacy of the rich who control the minds of the non-rich.
IchtacaSebonhera
A lot of liberals genuinely believe, because I've seen it argued first-hand, that worker's rights just 'happened' one day because bosses saw the benefits of having a more robust and rested work-force, when in reality the only reason worker's rights exist is so that bosses could barter themselves out of getting beaten to bloody death in front of their wives and children.
terdFerguson3electricFergaloo
It's an informal agreement, between the owner and the laborers, that a lot have forgotten over the generations since.
Remmon1
Don't forget "After strike breakers and police murder failed to stop laborer protests and those protests started to turn violent"
IchtacaSebonhera
Well, yeah, but oppressive work conditions were violence too, so even the Pinkertons weren't the start to violence. Dangerous working conditions were!
nipplepanties
Nobody wants to escalate but literally violently stopping ice would, bare with me, stop ICE. The fact none of these fuckers have been shot yet is astounding.
IchtacaSebonhera
You don't even need to shoot them to make them stop. I think a few hits while dragging the abductee to safety would do it. And if it happens enough times, they would back down, because fascists inherently do things because they think they can get away with it- they break down at the slightest actual opposition, like school bullies.
chrisawhitmore
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Peoples that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms” - Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers
IchtacaSebonhera
He's right but I don't want to glaze Starship Troopers (the book) too much.
Heinlein was a really complicated man, with a lot of his literature highly contradictive, which leads me to believe his work to be more about exploring questions within certain ideologies than necessarily holding them. But it's difficult to take the chance on him.
chrisawhitmore
I think the idea of restricting the franchise to those willing to invest a significant portion of their lives in public service is certainly interesting (note that in the book he makes it clear that service is not necessarily military and is an absolute right for anyone, so that the only bar on the franchise is the willingness to devote a portion of your life to the good of the state) but in practice, like most proposed restrictions on franchise, it would be manipulated to oppress people.
IchtacaSebonhera
It would be a lot more grim if it was set in a humans-on-humans scenario, choosing bugs- even bugs that earth antagonized into war- seemed like a pretty deliberate suspension of disbelief, there.
chrisawhitmore
The bugs were a fairly transparent analogy for communists to be fair, down to the 'wave of bodies' tactics that were popular with soviet and chinese commanders.
Eyeetsass
Violence is the answer. It solves everything. They use it on us every fucking day. Because it fucking works. Violence not being the answer was invented by a man with a whip.
RaspK
I wish I could be there. No gun required. Steel-toed boots for the win.
Bollramm
I'd be on the roof, with my trusty little friend.
14NipplesAndSomeGin
You and @IchtacaSebonhera should go for it then, or do you just want everyone else taking the risk of being murdered on your behalf?
RaspK
a. Some of us *CAN'T* even though we would, because we would be arrested/deported upon entering the fucking country.
b. Talk to me when you get sober.
IchtacaSebonhera
If only you knew how many times I've come to blows with protest-busters in country.
But, that said, I'm not a US citizen, and if an anarchist like me were to try and come to the US, I'd pretty much be put on a straight detour to El Salvador. So, why don't you defend yourself and your own people?
14NipplesAndSomeGin
Yeah, yeah. You're all so super tough and badass.
IchtacaSebonhera
No, I'm not. I'm just a regular person. I'm just joining protests, and I'm gearing up for resistance because time and time again we're being assailed.
To not bring things like masks, or water, or steel-toed boots is to just make myself a potential victim. Which is usually the thing far-right agent provocateurs try to dissuade people of- protecting themselves, revealing their face at all times, not gathering and staying quiet and at home, and 'fixing your own life'.
Why are you aiding them?
IchtacaSebonhera
Mandatory at protests, because you never want to be unarmed against the repeated and unceasing violence of the state if it comes down to it.
RaspK
These boots were made FOR KICKING ASSES UP THEIR ASSES!!
Multipew
Ok Napoleon Dynamite
RaspK
Lick the boot, if you'd like, but you lot should stop finding excuses at this point. The degree of violence exacted on that poor fellow is horrifying.
Raikupath
and we have yet to see a single good guy with a gun.
terdFerguson3electricFergaloo
Crooks, he just missed
IchtacaSebonhera
Luigi took the initiative, and y'all just sat back and went 'cool', and let him get sentenced to whatever he's going to get. Life in prison? Death penalty? I'm not sure anymore.
Raikupath
I was on the street in my country and honestly as an actual leftist who fights fascism, anyone who glorifies Luigi going around posting picture of him as jesus etc. is a coward and a moron in my eyes. Idiots who are waiting for someone else to do the dirty work for them. I'm outside. Catch me there if you want to actually do something against fascism.
adamswebster
I mean the SRA, NAAGA, redneck revolt, black rose, ect are showing up to protests and helping people organize but the current government doesn't seem to respect Americans or Congress. I don't see a peaceful resolution as possible especially since the majority house Democrats voted against impeaching Trump. Although I am a traditional anarchist, I am biased against the belief that political systems can be reformed without failing first.
IchtacaSebonhera
Are you saying I'm not 'an actual leftist'? Because I mentioned earlier that I'm out there protesting and marching, I just don't happen to live in a country where cops are shooting out eyes with rubber bullets. But even if that were the case, that wouldn't stop me, that would in fact increase the importance of getting out there.
dpidcoe
Do you consider yourself a "good guy", then get a gun and be the change you want to see. Nothing is stopping you.
Raikupath
Nice way to tell me that you're a fucking piece of shit coward who is waiting in his comfort zone for the Nazis to be done with putting people into concentration camps. If you'd live in Nazi Germany you'd be watching them kill jews. You're doing exactly that right now.
dpidcoe
???
IchtacaSebonhera
I have a gun, but I'm not in the US.
dpidcoe
Good on you then.
These same people protesting ICE are the same people who spent the last 30 years demonizing gun owners and trying to make it as miserable as possible to own a gun in my state. I've seen a lot of posting by them demanding that these same gun owners now come out and put their lives/freedom on the line for them, with zero acknowledgement for the part they've played in making it harder to do that.
Raikupath
You're a coward
IchtacaSebonhera
I think a good leftist knows the value in having an armed populace capable of defending their interests. Unfortunately, a lot of the less-committed American people have been suckered into the liberal delusion that inaction and complacency is the optimal route to peace and happiness. At least, that's the impression I get looking at the bulk of their leadership.
TexMexHex
Kinda getting sick and tired of large groups just recording with their phones instead of pulling 3 or 4 dudes off of an innocent man.
reinharder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
pixelsauras
Not really applicable here.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
To be fair those enforcement guys are not very bright, not very well trained or disciplined but they are very pumped up with aggression and entitlement. Their president has shown them they'll be immune from justice via pardon so the chances of coming out of that situation with your liberty and/or your life are slim
SaintSleepyWeasel
That's a federal crime :(. I agree with you, but asking people to commit a federal crime with years in prison is a very hard ask.
fartharder
That 3 or 4 dudes turned into like 12 pretty quick
PJamz
I get your frustration however, that lady at the end... What would she be able to do there? Now if you're talking about ganking up on them... bro... Let's go feet first!
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Mostly you only need one to lead on and other will follow. But I have to say, I'm not from the US and not sure if I would be brave enough out of fear of getting shot to Go all in. Here in my home country I've done things and do them again to help others I'd fear to do in the US. To me it seems they lost all civilized restaint already.
ModestButtstallion
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the least and 10 being the most, how comfortable would you say your armchair is?
TexMexHex
Ahhhhhhhhh hahahahahhahahaha...uh uh uh ahhhhhhhhhahahahahahahhahahahahahaha. Good one
Raikupath
As someone who traveled across my country to take part in protest with numbers that shit hole US would wish they had and has fought actual skinheads... get that log out of your ass and stop projecting your own discomfort in doing nothing against this on to others. Just because you're not doing shit, doesn't mean we're not doing shit. So get off of your high horse and fucking do something you coward.
foreverinchains
First, they came for the immigrants...
jackal696
Umm thats all Americans except for the native American tribes
redpandabanana
It’s the 100 men vs a gorilla. Yea the 100 could beat him but they signed up for that. Random bystanders are not going to be coordinated enough. But filming it is probably the best weapon they have. It separates the attackers to confront them at a time of our choosing, preferably in front of a judge and striped if all authority, dignity, and privilege they once had.
Gramsar
It would be easy to identify them if only they didn't wear masks or would show their badges or something.
sombradeamigo1742
Its almost as if the "3 or 4 dudes" have fucking guns. Funny how that works.
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
What if we all just carried around about six tasers and handed them out to those around for a simultaneous deployment?
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
Man, I wish we had a Constitutional amendment allowing us to arm ourselves to overthrow a tyrannical government.
Multipew
Have you sprayed a skull on your combat vest yet?
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
To be fair these guys
manhands
We live in an insane world where that would be punished violently.
twoamartist
If they keep this up, we’re going to see people getting involved.
PuzzledCompletely
Being willing to get those recordings is huge.
seenunseen
People are afraid of being disappeared into a detention center for months and getting felony assault charges
Multipew
"I would simply defeat the ice agents with my Kung Fu and mastery of magic"
Shut up with the larping. You do that, you get shot, and the regime have an excuse to become even more extreme in their violence.
People live in the real world where 3-4 dudes equipped, expecting, and prepared for violence are not pulled off an innocent man by an impromptu tag team of passers by.
Wylekat
Welcome to America! :/
phalanxausage
You start
spankeyfish
people don't want to get shot
n0n53n53
Funny fact about a cage, they're never built for just one group
So when that cage is done with them and you still poor, it come for you
The newest lowest on the totem, well golly gee, you have been used
You helped to fuel the death machine that down the line will kill you too
Raikupath
so let's stand back and wait for the Nazis to do their job because you might have to step out of your comfort zone if you had to do something real.
LoudBirb
"Step out of your comfort zone" is the wildest rewording I've ever seen for "die".
Because that's the reality. Those ICE agents (or the LAPD or both) will absolutely kill you if you rush them.
I support direct action, but I don't support criticizing bystanders who don't take action in a situation you've never been in.
johnvictor
When it's you on the ground, you'll be asking why nobody is helping.
TexMexHex
Yep, until they come for them. Then they expect people to help them. Their tiktok told them so
FreewindGlider
Then shoot first.
xj4low
Or deported themselves after being disappeared. No trial case to prove you are a resident citizen of the US. Just retaliatory action by a government funded gang that operates anonymously with no checks or fear of retribution because they won't be held accountable.
Wild976323562349625369
It's a riskI would've taken if I had super powers or body armor
IchtacaSebonhera
Until they're the last ones left, getting grabbed one by one, and then they're the ones wondering why nobody is helping them.
TexMexHex
Guess this person never read the poem. Shame. This is why when this person gets taken, no one will be left to give a shit about their whining.
IchtacaSebonhera
Me, or the person above me?
TexMexHex
The individual above ye.