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ArkoneAxon
The mice voted to bell the cat.
hotaru251
fun fact: The rest of the world can also stop Trump....just stop importing/exporting to the USA.
Literally make a public announcement that as long as he is in pwoer no nation will do business w/ the country or any company based there.
That would casue the rich & pwoerful to turn on him as he would be actively denying them profit which is all they care about.
awholelotofnothin
To be fair, it took 12 years of taxation and violence before the Revolutionary War started. French Revolution took decades to pop off, and lasted 10 years. Right now, people are only a bit upset about their grocery bill. What they need is to have their kids die of preventable diseases and starvation before they feel enough hatred to take action. Like by attacking kids Israel will never have peace again for the hatred they've caused. Sowing the seeds of their own downfall as we've sown our own.
desra
You guys are dying of diabetes and mass gun violence. You can't, with a straight face, keep normalising insanity and move the goalposts like that.
awholelotofnothin
Demonstrably, we have. The repeated actions of the violent conservative movement have changed the goal posts of reasonability to include pointless cruelty and utter lack of shame or accountability. What makes it worse is the hypocrisy of our holier-than-thou attitude on the world stage when we are no better than any other examples of human rights violations. Performative cruelty is acceptable to 77 million Americans, and that's a large war not fought in a day, 5 months, or even 8 years.
IncognitoEnthusiast
Yeah, the big G wasn't the start spangled hero people make him out to be by a long shot.
sransbury
Or we could just, you know, vote.
Arcamedes696
This time the majority voted for it. I hope they are all getting exactly what they want from it. Morons.
Eyeetsass
I love the memes of tough talk today’s revolutionaries post from the toilet. It’s how we got here. Believing posting is resistance. Too worried about being seen to form any substance.
Wuz314159
We should storm ~Area 51~ the White House. They can't stop us all. Ò_o
HUGHgReaction
Meh, it’s what the people want.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
If he was alive, he wouldn't have let me vote, so... I don't give a shit what he says or would want.
jimmycricket85
GundamHeavyarms
pretty sure the founding fathers would mow down congress for giving up so much power to the executive
GratuaCuun
Depends on the father - Washington wanted most of the government power (especially the power to vote) in the hands of the wealthy and the elite
Ya know
Like it mostly is now
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blaghart
George Washington would bitch slap us poor people for daring to think we should have a say in government. He literally led US troops against veterans demanding they get *checks notes* FUCKING PAID THEIR WAGES FOR SERVING IN THE MILITARY
RockSmith666
Always has been. They wrote wealthy minority rule into the constitution and you can see what they do to unarmed people at peaceful protests. When the Judicial and Legislative branches (and fourth estate) fall in line behind a fascist dictator the people no longer have representation. Most of the original colonies required you to own 50 acres to vote (and be a white guy), so let's not pretend the guy with a mouth full of slave teeth who stole sons of poor farmers to fight his war was a hero.
freshthrowaway1138
"the people no longer have representation"
We have had elections this entire time, across the country, and we currently have a government/governments that are controlled by the Party that won those elections. The fact is that this is what representation and Democracy look like. Not a perfect D, but a real world version according to our Constitution. Let's not forget this reality, elections have consequences. And winning elections is the only thing that matters for representation.
WarmVanilla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5r_BKDrA6E
draconicus
Slave teeth
SergeantMajorSpoiler
No, but - you see - the 'Murkan right only refer to the Founding Fathers when *convenient*, and when it advances their agenda.
trouble4you
The person posting this is most probably sitting in southern Asia 🤣.
Foxplay
Listen to a slave owner? No thanks... the founding father worship is stupid as shit
ToSisPoS
He is advocating for bottom surgery transmascs, which is surprisingly progressive.
kraeftig
the 14th was the third largest recorded protest in american history (second largest single-day protest). It's not like we're doing nothing but stuff takes time to ramp up.
HerbyHuia
The American People are evidently starting to find the collective spines they should have had decades ago and especially since 2016. Here's hoping they keep raising the pressure and not back down.
freshthrowaway1138
We have had dozens of massive protests over the years, if marching and yelling is what demonstrates a "spine" then we've always had that. Personally, I think that winning elections is what shows whether someone has a spine or not. Because protests mean nothing if they don't create real election victories. The massive 2020 protests led to the 2020 Dem victory, but it failed to get '22 or '24 victories. Which means Americans are too lazy and ineffectual to actually have the spine for Democracy.
ToSisPoS
You freed WHO?!
Thornaxe
He would simply shake his head in disbelief that so many people would vote for someone so despicable. No system of government can survive a third of its population choosing someone like trump.
Knotpocket
Okay, so please explain in detail what you expect the majority of Americans to do. Keep in mind that there's more distance between them and anywhere politically relevant than the entire land mass of some countries people telling them to take action are from. Travel can take days, is expensive, and US police are heavily militarized and already freely kill civilians with no repercussions. So please, other than pointlessly throwing their lives away, tell us what you expect most Americans to do.
NeonKitsune
Nobody has any idea. It's easy for people to play Che Guevarra from their phones, but they're all waiting for someone else to do it. It's like all the stupid assassination memes of people begging 'Someone just needs to do it, you know what it us!', but they're not exactly loading a rifle up and driving to DC either
talldean
There were eleven years between “we are free” and “cool that worked” in American revolutionary history.
GratuaCuun
Nah, he'd get his slaves to do it - while insisting the poor and the middle class don't get to vote because such matters should be handled by their betters
glovelyday
Well considering who support Trump, he wasn't 100% wrong.
GratuaCuun
You're right - we should hand more power over to wealthy people like Bezos and Musk - they'll save us
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SpaceHaggis
This.
GratuaCuun
Hate when edgy Bros try to rally shit with Washington - Malcolm X - MLK Jr - John Addams - JFK - people who actually fought or died (or both) for liberty
Nah
Use teh rasist slave owner capitalist overlord
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LespritDeLescalier22
While the economy was largely built on slavery, there WERE some heavy hitting US politicians who recognized LONG before the civil war that America would face a reckoning like none other regarding the evils of slavery, and how everyone was so economically dependent on it.
GratuaCuun
Yeah, sorry
Fuck. Slavery.
"-wrings hands- nerrrr! But teh eco-nominy!!!"
I'll say it again for those in the back
Fuck. Slavery.
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rfleming1080
You first.
Even if you don't live in the US, your country probably has someone just like Trump almost win during your last election.
Koldfront
This uniquely American what-about-ism style of 'counter argument' is so predictivly boring. Even in argument they demand to be educated on their immense ignorance, despite the burden of proof being on themselves.
AshenRaine
Yes. And ours is now being judged by the Supreme Court due to attempting a Jan 6-style coup. Something the US could have done more of.
trythebleucheese
Korea?
AshenRaine
Brazil. Unlikely to lead anywhere, given that the far-right was ressurrected by our "tropical Trump", but at least they're trying.
whyisthisusernamealwaystaken
We tried. Congress refused to do anything.
ExplodingPortaPotty
If he was alive he'd probably be wondering why the farming equipment was daring to speak to him.
blaghart
Exactly. I fucking despise this liberal veneration of the founding fathers like they didn't explicitly design the US government for the express purpose of preventing people like you and me from having a say in it.
quzar
I don't participate in that veneration, but then as now there were different factions to be a member of. Generally the politicians we hold in high regard nationally were the ones who argued for more rights even if they compromised for fewer than they wanted (and didn't want as many as people would imagine).
Nobody is venerating Founding Father Pierce Butler, who proposed a draft of the constitution that included a version of the Fugitive Slave Act.
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jayman0123
he also would have made sure that trump was dead by sunset on january 7th. He wouldn't have waited for the "wheels of justice"
ExplodingPortaPotty
I mean Washington and Trump would have likely shared a lot of beliefs on the matters of non-white people.
jayman0123
Yeah but trying to overthrow the country and be dictator would have had him shot.
ClooneyWasTheBestBatman
I am alive, and I wonder that.
HeraldOfTheBadger
Are you being racist or tripping balls or did the cyberpunk dystopia install AI in your actual farm equipment?
kobun253
You want us to violently overthrow our governm
ent when 77 million people voted for this administration?
When we've been yelling about the failed coup attempt on Jan 6? You want us to try our own violent coup attempt?
We literally just had a huge multi city protest about ICE?
Do we need to be marching every day?
We don't have the class consciousness or the ability to feed and shelter millions of workers who stop getting paychecks while striking
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GratuaCuun
I just finished a 70 hour workweek - I send money to friends in Europe as well as two sisters in red states and I donate what i can to my other siblings Dem group
I've nothing else to give
whyisthisusernamealwaystaken
Fascists only speak two languages: fear and violence.
adamswebster
One needs to seize the means of production. Since the industrial revolution humans have been a post scarcity species, but a minority of humanity have spent considerable time and money to prop up scarcity because without wealth inequality everyone would be equal.
Cyrilion
Look, im just tired of being threatened by the people my country has supported for over a hundred years. Its bullshit, and i want to see that orange moron hang for it.
Just further proof we need nukes and to increase military spending if we want our allies to stop coveting our lands.
PorneliusHubertII
I agree with you. I am a worker that lives check to check. Call me when we have a plan or when the shooting starts.
Vortexhelios320
From one person 'stretched too thin' to another:
Survive, don't get too numb, and do what you are able if/when you are able. Tyrants never last, there WILL be an opening at some point. That is the entire point of resistance.
Even if the ones that finally succeed are 4 generations away, they will only have their chance if we keep fighting whatever small battles we can.
RuminatingYak
Yes you idiot. If the Trump admin are truly Nazis, then you should be killing them. KILLING! But you're not. So they're either not as bad as everyone claims, or your inaction gets you what you fucking deserve.
GratuaCuun
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FoxyEllie
there's a major difference here which I feel is worth pointing out.
the right attempted a coup because they were encouraged to by powerful interests who fed - and continue to feed - their base with blatant lies and misinformation. They *thought* they had to overthrow the government because they were lied to about its tyranny.
if it happens, the left would do a coup because of actual tyranny.
TheMrPendragon
This. You need more upvotes. The only problem at this juncture: such a situation boils down to each side believing/claiming their side is the correct/truthful side. Basically, he said/she said. There needs to be a clear and irrefutable delineation of justification for a coup for the “left” if one is attempted.
DaftFrench
I mean, just consider the alternative : letting them in power.
ExplodingPortaPotty
I mean the last Fascist Superpower that popped up required a world war to bring to an end. So unless you are willing to match that kind of resistance don't be surprised if nothing changes.
kobun253
You don't think that organized mass movements of people working together to get laws changed on a local, state, and national level would be less effective than armed civil war resistance?
stokessd
Nope. See: reconstruction
ExplodingPortaPotty
The thing about Fascists is that they rarely care about laws. They are also historically not often voted out either. History has shown that the most effective means to overthrow a Fascists regime is with force.
kobun253
I like how you ignored my points and are trying to incite a civil war. Which is what it would be.
Unless you are suggesting a coalition of nations should come and occupy the states?
Yeah the French resistance resisted but France still fell and was occupied and required a multi country invasion of a continent.
The red army and the allied powers used a multinational full war scenario.
Be realistic.
ExplodingPortaPotty
I mean Id go with Civil War if I thought it would work but you guys fucked up on the follow through with the last Civil War which is honestly probably why you are in the position you are now.
Foreign occupation until you can be trusted to govern yourselves responsibly again honestly doesn't sound to bad. The US is to powerful a player in global politics to allow it to be led by wanna dictators and regressionist.
ExplodingPortaPotty
But I promise you that the way you are doing things now is only going to lead to your situation getting worse not better.
kobun253
Oh so wait. You aren't american?
Why don't yall invade us to end the threat if he's literal Hitler level?
Why aren't you protesting in your streets to make your politicians stop trump?
Or are you just being a shitmixer
ExplodingPortaPotty
Norway has actually been pretty firm in it's stance opposing the current US regime and their current dealings with and support of Israel. If Europe decided to form a coalition to openly oppose the US we'd be one of the first to sign up.
So trust me our politicians are already very aware of the general sentiment the average Norwegian has for the Trump administration. Even our version of rednecks don't much care for how you guys are allowing things to be run.
airwoman
Dude, you both have the same understanding of the situation except that you have a complete lack of sympathy on how much a war, civil or otherwise, can cost the people. Get off your high horse, think about what *you* can do in your country to help the Americans in this situation, and stop pointlessly arguing with people who are on the same side as you.
ExplodingPortaPotty
No I fully understand and sympathize with the cost both human and material of War. But sometimes War is the only fit answer to a problem regardless of what it may cost.
SarcasticComment
Imgur users love screaming for others to do violence they themselves are not participating in.
ArandomDane
So the system of oppression is working...
SarcasticComment
have you done anything to push back? it is far easier to type judgment of others than taking any real stand yourself.
ArandomDane
Funny that you think highlighting that the woes presented are by design is judgemental...
but to answer your question. Yes. I am political active.
Aar0ns
Where does this say violently overthrow the government?
And a multi-city protest a couple times a year is not going to cut it. It needs to be a continuous, in your face protest until the current wanna-be-fascists are out of power.
More importantly than that? We need to fucking vote.
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Aar0ns
I'm not overseas, I'm out there protesting too, and ICE protests in my area are only when there's a big news story on it. The no kings protest was huge here but even after ICE raided several businesses there were only large anti-ICE protests for 2 days after.
vystral
Remember: most Americans do not want this. It’s happening TO us.
kobun253
You're being obtuse if you think "take back your government" isn't a rallying cry.
America does not have the class counciousness or collectivist mindset to continue to feed and shelter millions of people striking and protesting.
How do you expect to run these entrenched career politicians without an uprising?
Aar0ns
You're being obnoxious if you think that people gain a collectivist mindset by just sitting on their asses and not coming together daily or weekly while protesting.
You do need an uprising, but non-violent uprisings are effective. You'd just prefer to give up and say "well if everyone else won't do it, I won't either." You're also trying to play both sides "You want a violent uprising? Wtf" and "You can't change things without violence" are contradictory. Thus the obnoxiousness comment.
kobun253
Lmao pointing out that america has a class consciousness problem is not the same as not doing anything.
I don't have to explain my political group involvements as some sort of "I'm trying hard enough' litmus test.
I fully believe that a mass uprising is the only way to solve America's problems but im also not so much of a blind idealist to think it's actually achievable.
The best we can do is change our city and state governments to serve our needs better and to dismantle the union.
Aar0ns
I didn't say you weren't doing anything. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I don't blame you for that, but I don't want to continue saying x for you to debate Y after advocating for Z.
I agree that voting is the correct way to solve the problem and I'll refer you back to my previous posts.
Good luck with your attempted outrage and appeals to emotion.
trythebleucheese
are you planning on being a part of what you're calling for?
Aar0ns
On protesting as often as possible and voting against fascism? Yes? Why else would I be saying it?
Violence/coups is not the answer and I didn't say it was.
trythebleucheese
Sometimes, violence is all that's left.
Aar0ns
Yep, as soon as elections are cancelled/provably corrupted it can be time for violence. We're not there - not even close.
NinjaCongo
Full respect. It's easy to sit abroad and have opinions. That said, historically similar scenarios have turned dire. The future of your situation seems to present some pretty extreme choices either way.
cluelesscookie
We tear down our country with a baguette in one hand and a croissant in the other when something happens that we don't like.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
All due respect, US is 18 times larger than France. Not saying we ain’t gonna try, or that it’s impossible, but we’re comparing apples to watermelons.
DewiMorgan
We know exactly how fucked we are. Posting cheap memes saying "lolzor, it's your own fault, you shoulda done something" is kinda like kicking puppies at this point.
FrancsTireur
No it isn't and no ones laughing, what we are saying is whether you are aware of this or not; this is going to get worse if you don't act.
And by worse and this simply cannot be stressed enough, we mean apocalyptically bad. What America is experiencing is no different to what Trotskyites thought in Russia as Stalin was on the rise or most German officers when Hitler was beginning to sound the drums of war.
You don't want to trigger violence because it will cost you and yours a heavy price 1/
FrancsTireur
In blood. That's a natural reaction, no one wants to be the person who fires a first shot in a civil war unless you're Edward Ruffin. However years after those thoughts, virtually every single officer wished they had been braver and taken their chances, and most Trotskyites who were still alive did too; though most were dead by then.
And it's not just limited to civil wars, a similar discussion took place at 10 downing street in the summer of 1914, do we honour our obligations to Belgium 2/
FrancsTireur
And France at the cost of perhaps millions of our own people or do we stand aside and what reality would we face at the end of all that if we did. 3
DewiMorgan
"this is going to get worse if you don't act." STFU. PLEASE. You're mansplaining something that is really, REALLY painfully obvious to literally everyone here. Want to usefully contribute to the discussion? Suggest a SPECIFIC NEW AND DIFFERENT ACTION YOU THINK CAN BE TAKEN TO AVOID IT, that isn't already being done. You'll risk being wrong, but at least you'll have *tried*.
FrancsTireur
Firstly I'm not a man, so I'm not mansplaining fuck all. Secondly you know exactly what I'm suggesting, I'm not being cryptic. You can lose thousands, perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands now, or you can lose millions later. I've been a soldier my entire adult life, whilst that might sound a little cold or even sociopathic, the truth is that there's no salvation to be found in quibbling over morals and ethics, you save as many as you can and sometimes that means sacrificing others.