I had a stroke last summer, thr movements are.there but slow. 3 weeks ago I leaned over to pick up a dropped pen at work, and a co worker offered to get it. I politely said no, I have to so it so that my brain can recognize what I'm doing and relearn it. In 3 weeks, if I'm not fatigued, I can almost pick up as fast as a normal person.
New connections among neurons isn't the primary method of learning. It's (mostly) changing the relative likelihood of activation among already connected neurons.
One of the weird things about concussion was the brain reconnecting with old memories, and playing back child hood songs I hadn't thought about for half a century. * sings *
Ha, true! I noticed a similar thing where handy man stuff eg replacing a door bell, or even reading instructions, was suddenly a lot easier than ever before. My theory is that we lost access to our usual fears so we stopped blocking off our own smarts?
And somehow, this architectural arrangement and neurotransmissional connection allows me to remember my address from when I was a child and grandmas meatball recipe. There's no "file" anywhere saving that data, its just a configuration of cells. I diagnose and treat a lot of neurologic conditions, but I'm still no closer at explaining what a memory "is" or where it "lives". The brain is wild.
Makes sense. Basically, when a thought (mental chain reaction from neuron to neuron) happens very often, shortcuts are created. Or that's how I've always understood it.
I realize the character limit doesn't really allow a deep explanation of how memory formation works but that title is basically oversimplified to the point of being wrong.
Well YMMV but I'd say that's not particularly accurate. But more importantly, we certainly do know that memory formation is not simply one neuron linking up to another neuron. Memory formation, consolidation, retrieval etc occurs over large networks of cells. A single cell or connection doesn't have the capacity to store any significant amount of information.
"But more importantly, we certainly do know that memory formation is not simply one neuron linking up to another neuron." ...What the strawman heck is this? Absolutely nobody claimed or implied that it was. The title simply asserts that it happened "as we learn something". Which is not remotely the same thing as being the entirety of that learning, as you're bizarrely trying to claim.
Actually that is pretty clearly implied by the title, but setting that aside, surely you're not implying that memory formation comes from neurons physically connecting? Getting within signaling length is a precondition for all neurons anywhere in the body to function but it's merely the first step in encoding engrams in the network.
"Actually that is pretty clearly implied by the title..." It is very clearly not. That's 100% you. "...surely you're not implying that memory formation comes from neurons physically connecting?" AGAIN with the strawman. What is WRONG with you? There was ONE assertion - that neurons connect as we learn something. It's RIGHT there. Stop reading more into it.
There are reasons why neural paths form at the speed they do. If you want super fast forming neural pathways, forming at low thresholds, get ready for being flooded with junk. You wouldn't be smarter. Just more confused.
And after learning important stuff all day you relax for a bit with a zombie flick. Then you go to bed and leave it to some 3 million yrs old autonomous brain process to sort out which new memories are important enough to be long-term-potentiated & which ones can be pruned. A process that hasn't changed much since the days our australopithecine ancestors were eaten by leopards. And you know what this archaic process deems extremely important? Fucking zombies. So they chase you in your REM sleep
Had a dream last night where some friends and I were exploring a very haunted building and I decided it was time to go after someone found a skeleton with six legs in a crib. I woke up saying “we need to leave, hurry up” out loud
And to add to that - its super unhealthy to overschedule young children. Much like we need REM the mind also needs unscheduled freetime to sort itself out once a week. Kids need to sit around for an afternoon and play with lego or poke something with a stick. Constant lessons, music class, dance class, karate, swimming, and social get togethers on the weekends wreak havoc on kids and overachieving parents are notorious for it. Let the kids have their chill time!
Of course the important stuff is mostly gone the next morning. Your brain's calcium resources were needed to potentiate more important synaptic connections, all of which have to do with outrunning zombies. Abstract algebra wouldn't have helped with this crucial survival skill. So said the primitive ape who governs your subconscious brain and makes many of your decisions even when you're awake. Your higher, conscious brain is mostly just along for the ride.
You can control this to a small extent. If you practice thinking about what you think is important, as you're getting ready for bed, and then think about it as you're falling asleep, you can influence what you're dreaming about. I've also managed to teach myself to just get annoyed at nightmares, and I'll literally think to myself "fuck off brain, we're not doing this shit. I'm just going to wakeup if you're pulling this crap."
Why the fuck do I remember some stupid shit that happened in primary school but not stuff I need in day to day life now, today? Stupid brain could free some space that's no longer, and never will be, relevant.
My brain is broken. Ape brain has always said unimportant scifi/fantasy/gaming nerd lore is more important than literally anything else. It is the most important stuff out there according to him.
nosilazurc11
I had a stroke last summer, thr movements are.there but slow. 3 weeks ago I leaned over to pick up a dropped pen at work, and a co worker offered to get it. I politely said no, I have to so it so that my brain can recognize what I'm doing and relearn it. In 3 weeks, if I'm not fatigued, I can almost pick up as fast as a normal person.
sadurdaynight
I like how one tries to immediately pull away ... "No! Not more sonic the hedgehog fan fic!"
iwanderedlonelyasacloud
We are just fungus to the 2nd power
paynoattentiontousernames
My brain when I see this post:
kabow94
My last 2 brain cells working
zbobet2012
New connections among neurons isn't the primary method of learning. It's (mostly) changing the relative likelihood of activation among already connected neurons.
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GuitarBobMonterey
'few' is too misleading, it's the huge numbers that make it happen
chittychittybangbanglovesustoo
Ok that is cool.
DJOldguy
Making new memories?
Boatsntoes
Aaaand it’s gone…..
VeryStableGenius
I'm starting to get it....no...wait...maybe....no....
khun2
"Just give me your hand!!!"
jasjourno
One of the weird things about concussion was the brain reconnecting with old memories, and playing back child hood songs I hadn't thought about for half a century. * sings *
" Puff the Magic Dragon, who lived by the sea .."
IjustsaywhatIthink
My concussion resulted in A's in math until I recovered. Then back to C's. What does that say about Mathematicians?
Mistruths
They care more about math than you do.
jasjourno
Username accurate!
jasjourno
Ha, true! I noticed a similar thing where handy man stuff eg replacing a door bell, or even reading instructions, was suddenly a lot easier than ever before. My theory is that we lost access to our usual fears so we stopped blocking off our own smarts?
snrsquishy101
Is this what causes that tingly feeling you get sometimes? I remember feeling it when teachers helped me understand something.
NotASpeckOfCereal
AH, so that's where I left the keys ...
pr3viso
Two neurons, you say?
TheMayorOfTittyCity
And somehow, this architectural arrangement and neurotransmissional connection allows me to remember my address from when I was a child and grandmas meatball recipe. There's no "file" anywhere saving that data, its just a configuration of cells. I diagnose and treat a lot of neurologic conditions, but I'm still no closer at explaining what a memory "is" or where it "lives". The brain is wild.
markm0101
I just remberec I’d forgotten that before.
cousteau
Makes sense. Basically, when a thought (mental chain reaction from neuron to neuron) happens very often, shortcuts are created. Or that's how I've always understood it.
joshcrimson
Meanwhile, in my brain:
CincoProductsINC
And they never hold hands 😂😭
AwwDamn321
Dude this had me dying
cousteau
Holy shit please do unmute! (Sorry in advance)
gIoblobbIobgob
“Eww, gross. Can you not?”
lildude52ca
...... ooooOOOOHHHhhhhh
IOftenDeleteCommentsCauseISuckAtTyping
Fascinating. And to think that's all some people get!
Thintegrator
It’s too bad only half this country believes you.
TheCunningLinguists
Make a circuit with me! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOgJrr7y6bM
UncleScarwasright
neamtu
Core memory unlocked
mardukkur
I realize the character limit doesn't really allow a deep explanation of how memory formation works but that title is basically oversimplified to the point of being wrong.
MickeyCallahan
Last I checked, we don't really KNOW how memory formation works in any sort of detail.
thedysentery
you might want to check again
mardukkur
Well YMMV but I'd say that's not particularly accurate. But more importantly, we certainly do know that memory formation is not simply one neuron linking up to another neuron. Memory formation, consolidation, retrieval etc occurs over large networks of cells. A single cell or connection doesn't have the capacity to store any significant amount of information.
MickeyCallahan
"But more importantly, we certainly do know that memory formation is not simply one neuron linking up to another neuron." ...What the strawman heck is this? Absolutely nobody claimed or implied that it was. The title simply asserts that it happened "as we learn something". Which is not remotely the same thing as being the entirety of that learning, as you're bizarrely trying to claim.
mardukkur
Actually that is pretty clearly implied by the title, but setting that aside, surely you're not implying that memory formation comes from neurons physically connecting? Getting within signaling length is a precondition for all neurons anywhere in the body to function but it's merely the first step in encoding engrams in the network.
MickeyCallahan
"Actually that is pretty clearly implied by the title..." It is very clearly not. That's 100% you. "...surely you're not implying that memory formation comes from neurons physically connecting?" AGAIN with the strawman. What is WRONG with you? There was ONE assertion - that neurons connect as we learn something. It's RIGHT there. Stop reading more into it.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
So let's just make drugs and treatments that rapidly connect neurons as super smart drugs?
mercyPandaRunner
There are reasons why neural paths form at the speed they do. If you want super fast forming neural pathways, forming at low thresholds, get ready for being flooded with junk. You wouldn't be smarter. Just more confused.
StevenFarmer
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
And after learning important stuff all day you relax for a bit with a zombie flick. Then you go to bed and leave it to some 3 million yrs old autonomous brain process to sort out which new memories are important enough to be long-term-potentiated & which ones can be pruned. A process that hasn't changed much since the days our australopithecine ancestors were eaten by leopards. And you know what this archaic process deems extremely important? Fucking zombies. So they chase you in your REM sleep
GottaGetThoseSeedsMorty
Had a dream last night where some friends and I were exploring a very haunted building and I decided it was time to go after someone found a skeleton with six legs in a crib. I woke up saying “we need to leave, hurry up” out loud
METROlD
And to add to that - its super unhealthy to overschedule young children. Much like we need REM the mind also needs unscheduled freetime to sort itself out once a week. Kids need to sit around for an afternoon and play with lego or poke something with a stick. Constant lessons, music class, dance class, karate, swimming, and social get togethers on the weekends wreak havoc on kids and overachieving parents are notorious for it. Let the kids have their chill time!
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Of course the important stuff is mostly gone the next morning. Your brain's calcium resources were needed to potentiate more important synaptic connections, all of which have to do with outrunning zombies. Abstract algebra wouldn't have helped with this crucial survival skill. So said the primitive ape who governs your subconscious brain and makes many of your decisions even when you're awake. Your higher, conscious brain is mostly just along for the ride.
Danack
You can control this to a small extent. If you practice thinking about what you think is important, as you're getting ready for bed, and then think about it as you're falling asleep, you can influence what you're dreaming about. I've also managed to teach myself to just get annoyed at nightmares, and I'll literally think to myself "fuck off brain, we're not doing this shit. I'm just going to wakeup if you're pulling this crap."
LessStupidThanYesterday
To me that just sounds like a way to not dream at all, because my brain would be too busy mulling over stuff for me to ever fall asleep.
TheAziz
Why the fuck do I remember some stupid shit that happened in primary school but not stuff I need in day to day life now, today? Stupid brain could free some space that's no longer, and never will be, relevant.
KafkasKarma
That's why you need to do something calm and relaxing after studying
alwaysacleric
My brain is broken. Ape brain has always said unimportant scifi/fantasy/gaming nerd lore is more important than literally anything else. It is the most important stuff out there according to him.
demoncatmara
Lol mine is exactly like that. And I wouldn't have it any other way
chaylar
He is wise