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Saving rhinos
are now saving rhinos!
EDIT:
More recent article on the topic, going over a lot of the same points you all mention:
http://www.businessinsider.com/biotech-startup-trying-to-stop-rhino-poaching-2016-9
Includes photo of what current printed rhino horn looks like.
bobbynixon
Not sure this’ll work. People still buy diamonds and there’s tones of substitutes...
theyar
This story had been going around for years.
N01Q
Source?
emorfer
https://www.pembient.com
emorfer
The company doing this is US based: https://www.pembient.com, so for once it's a US knockoff of an African good, being sold in Asia
krapmyself
How that work? It has to be done gradually, right? If you just toss them on the market at 1/8 people would figure that out, right?
FreebasinFreemason
Lower human horn?
MattDude
ExtraWoody
stabby506
What is a "genetic fingerprint"?
DemiGuy
Can... a chinese market really be flooded by knock-offs? That is like drowning a fish
combatwombat0
It already is apparently
18Litre
I've heard this year's ago and nothing's happened
TheEmeraldProphylactic
It’s a lot easier to burn existing stocks, increasing demand and making existing ivory more expensive - because reasons :(
combatwombat0
Pushback by the International Rhino Foundation and Save the Rhino International. They claim it won't help the problem
Twzking
Thought I read all it changed was poachers killing the rhino either way. Either it has a real horn or they kill it to stop tracking a decoy.
AStegosaurus
They don't go glue the fake horn to a living animal. The fake is simply released into the market because you can't tell it's fake.
Twzking
Ah my bad
uploaderzero
Because everyone trying to stop the trade opposes it. Lower prices = sell more horns for same amount of $ = INCREASE in rhino poaching.
notme222
I'll help. You're correct that it will increase demand. But it dramatically reduces the profit margin, driving out high cost (real) supply.
IllegalDuckling
You never hear about things like this making a change, even if they change the world. They'll be forgotten until generations later.
theyar
It's universally opposed as likely to make things worse or at best do very little to help.
WeaponizedJerk
Or maybe you don't hear about it because it's utter bullshit. :P
uploaderzero
It simply won't work. Lower prices = sell more horns for same amount of $ = INCREASE in rhino poaching.
TheEmeraldProphylactic
Literally the opposite. Less horns=More scarcity=Higher value=More profitable for sellers. It’s economics 101 and to explain further 1/2
TheEmeraldProphylactic
2/2 the idea is flood the market with fakes. Once market is aware of sheer number of fakes indistinguishable from real horns, it collapses
TheEmeraldProphylactic
If I told you that you’d never be able to identify fake Jordan’s from real ones for the rest of time, their sneaker market would implode
iCurse
Not just that, a horn at an 8th the price is obviously fake
TylerTheAnarchist
Here is kind of why. https://youtu.be/8umDNRWvB80
hofbrauhauss
Dot to watch later.
sadn00b
How does this stupid bitch get into a position of power?
sadn00b
with single digit IQ ?
minxcat
This actually really informative... for an Anarchist.
TylerTheAnarchist
I mean I believe the government never successfully does anything good. So this is pretty aligned with me.
billionyearoldcarbon
TLDW plz
TylerTheAnarchist
Someone comes up with a solution, Dumb bitch in charge of NGO & in bed with government thinks her solution is better but hers doesnt work.
TylerTheAnarchist
also the facts clearly indicate that knockoffs do reduce Rino murder and her solution increases it by about 4,000%.
TylerTheAnarchist
Its frustrating because she literally ignores the facts right in front of her face.
EmmersumBigguns
The real effect of rhino horn is eating the people who eat rhino horn
upvotehypnotoad
I had one poached with extra salt, and I've never felt better
Droppedmywispa
Fuck yeah. Solid thinking
BURNtheZEPPELIN
They eat that shit?
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10tacles
You could use it as a dildo if you are brave enough. That might help with sexual functions too.
cowpiefatty
China will eat any part of any cool animal to try and get their pee pee hard ive given up on not hating them because of this.
Huldra
Why are they so obsessed with their erections? Like they dont mind killing animals for the sake of the boner. Its beyond stupid and provocin
cowpiefatty
I don’t get it either especially when like cialas and viagra are very proven and readily available things.
romicra88
You must be American. You have such HUUUUUUGE penis. They have shameful small penis. Here is crowd to cheer for huge American penis
romicra88
Guess some of you don't watch south park
CaldariBob
So big, American penis.
ElChupaNuggra
Sadly since this was BIG news they just changed tactics. No one WANTS the Fake Horns so 'trusted' distributors simply made the demand 1/3
ElChupaNuggra
of their suppliers for 'proof of kill', each horn harvested must be presented with a dated digital image of the dead animal. And since 2/3
ElChupaNuggra
'Proof of Kill Horns' are rarer now, they command a higher price, aka, it's now MORE profitable to poach than ever.... No good deed.. 3/3
AlaSnackbar
Hell ya. So would a fake rhino horn cause a fake boner?
Whatsname
Thing is, this boner idea is pure, undiluted, organically produced bullshit. Just like the shark fin soup delusion.
viila
Since the whole thing is placebo anyway, it would cause exactly the same reaction in the consumers. They believe it works, so it works.
LarvaLamp
I hope its fucking lethal.
emorfer
Rhino horn isn't consumed for boners. They use it to 'cure' cancer and hangovers and anything in between
frankxcid
Same genetic signature? I don't people understand what that means
KarlPhylos
Do you dog understand?
nevetsx
KarlPhylos
He didn’t people understand, so...
TomZarekVP
yeah that's a hard one
slinkiisu
FUCK YES.
AnalCrusader7
Chinese people are very smart, why tf do they stiiillll think Rhino horn is anything but just keratin.
Gantzz321
because they still believe in Chi, Hot an Cold balance in your body. they have a lot of 3rd world beliefs when it comes to medicine combined
Gantzz321
with western medicine. Chicken Noodle soup is just soup, but so many people still have it when sick, multiple this by 1000 = Asia
Whatsname
If they were very smart they would not believe this bullshit, along with the shark fin thing, don't you think?
AnalCrusader7
Hey man, I was just tryna be nice about it. Its fucking stupid.
Whatsname
My bad, I get all triggered with anything regarding China, anal, or the crusades.
Predicto
there are 1.4 billion of them. The smart ones don't believe it has any use except maybe as a status symbol
AnalCrusader7
Even worse then tbh. They know the repercussions and nonetheless still allow this shit.
dfoxtails
But what is their plan in regards to aliens hunting for human horn?
FreakLemur
DiracsDelta
WannaSeeMeWalkLikeAShrimp
I think there are already plenty fake human “horns” already on the shelves.
Gayforbae
WHWN WERE YOU IN MY HOUSE?!?!
GhostofBillyMays
Scout70
"Don't tell Lrrr." -Ndnd
Ancient0history
Humans aren't an endangered species - yet.
dryrunner
"I think I'll have fry's horn jerked"
dfoxtails
IT'S USED TO IT!! Whooooooo......
crusader1089
This joke is often muted in syndication and there is just a few seconds of awkward silence.
DrBonerman
Asking the real questions
dumbinsults
Human horn is great! I use it every time I have sex!
jaymckool
They plan to harvest as much as they can from humans and then get freaky with their alien girlfriends
Silentview
Futurama will never die
MostlyJeffGoldblum
DOOOOOOM!
nalananda
Let them
LegendNemesis5
What's human horn
cancerriddenlung
As long as they don't hunt for deese nuts
TheStaffmaster
Harvest the lower horn!
KassAss
Let it happen. Trump is president. Its our time to pass.
nlmaya
Will this work? Does anyone have a clue?
combatwombat0
https://www.savetherhino.org/poaching-crisis/synthetic-rhino-horn-will-it-save-the-rhino/
allmostthere1234
Dr Nichola in the study with the candlestick!
idontwantafunnyname
Sauce?
emorfer
https://www.pembient.com
defiantiger
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/3d-printed-rhino-horn-developed/ it’s not likely to solve the problem that simply
uploaderzero
Correct. People should learn economics. Lower prices = sell more horns for same amount of $ = INCREASE in rhino poaching.
KarlPhylos
Walk me through that. Lower profits make people do difficult things more?
combatwombat0
The International Rhino Foundation and Save the Rhino International have stated that similar fakes have not put a dent in poaching
Vergenbuurg
Besides, this story has been making the rounds for YEARS, with no progress of note whatsoever. It gets reposted every month or so.
IAmNotTomBrady
Thanks for that link
TylerTheAnarchist
Watch this it covers a lot of that. https://youtu.be/8umDNRWvB80
BraveSlayer
Real horn prices will skyrocket, making them even more sought after, which will in turn make the hunt against Rhinos even more aggressive.
BraveSlayer
I know what I'm talking about. I play MMOs.
HenryAlas
How can you invest into this? I would love to contribute, to such an amazing cause.
uploaderzero
If you think lowering prices makes poachers sell less of something, rather than more, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you cheap.
theyar
It's universally opposed by conservation groups and economic experts. 90% of horn sold is already fake horn.
Crestedtit
But Rhino horn has no genetic material. It may have the same protein structure, which is just keratin.
stvhunt132
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22237520/
Crestedtit
Looks like I am wrong!
Sunderlion
The horn (like hair and finger nails) is made from cells which are pushed out of the animal. They contain a ton of keratin, but also DNA
sanfranbaby
DNA can be obtained from hair and fingernails
Arcticor
only the hair follicle. Fingernails primarily bc there's a lot of extra crap stuck on them normally, like dead skin
gummyloaf
They’re 3d printing something that doesn’t work, to stop people from killing animals for what doesn’t work. This is top tier capitalism.
uploaderzero
Yeah, it's an amazing con. A basic knowledge of economics will tell you that making horns cheaper will cause poachers to kill more rhinos.
ledious
People like to hate china... as a US citizen I'm not even mad. Good for you China!
frankxcid
I hope this is true but somehow I don't think someone invented a 3d printer that prints proteins
KarlPhylos
Maybe it’s some protein infused SLA method?
Jounan
There's printed livers and shit, so why not?
KarlPhylos
Printed shit. The equivalent of robot poop.
nikpappageorgio
What do people buy rhino horns for? Asking for a friend
LarvaLamp
Chinese rhinos dont have horns and they are jealous
emorfer
They take because they think it cures hangovers, fever, and cancer. And the growing Vietnamese middle class drink it as a status symbol
theyar
Chinese Viagra.
SciNZ
This could backfire, creating a method for laundering actual horn which people will pay top dollar for. I used to work for a NGO on this.
MajinXenu
Yeah, or poachers could just go along with the new prices and kill eight times more rhinos.
OrangeFlavours
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/3d-printed-rhino-horn-developed/
KarlPhylos
I like Snopes as a litmus test, but the truth of the matter is usually more complex than they present. I updated the post for this reason.
KarlPhylos
That is the best argument here! However, it turns out 90% of all rhino horn is already fake. Diluting the diluted.
Headstereo
they should have flooded the market before releasing the info?
IAmDrBanner
I think the point is that the actual horns are indistinguishable from the printed ones, so there is no way to know which one is "actual".
theyar
Right but that means you can't investigate or prosecute those who are still in the real horn trade.
IAmDrBanner
I am not entirely sure I believe this, just pointing out what the idea here seems to be.
Chickenlicker
I worry that it'll drive purchasers to only buy rhino horn where there's still bleeding flesh left attached.
allmostthere1234
my first thought also
ArmoredWanderer
Well... the actual horn would be the one that is full price, right? If it's the cheap one then it's the fake being sold to undercut poachers
RNeato
But then someone could buy the cheap ones and sell at the higher price so it looks legit, if they're otherwise indistinguishable.
UnluckyScarecrow
Fake horn potentially isn't illegal if it's fake. So it enters a wider market. And real horn is indistinguishable, so... 1/
UnluckyScarecrow
call it fake to sell it in more places. Taking a lower price on your horn isn't so bad if you're selling 100x more of it
notme222
Assuming supply isn't limited and that you get economies of scale. Neither of which is true for poaching.
ReallyNotSure
OrderingTacos
TinyCactusss
You can see his soul dying in this... A+ acting
chromMemeAthlete
Yes!!
iEatRainbowsForBreakfast
Anyone know what movie this is from? I’m a huge Alan Rickman fan.
DameMarjorieChardem
Galaxy Quest! It’s a wonderful little movie :)
DrSanchezChristianAbortionClinic
If you were a true fan.........ffs
BrokenTimeMachine
kaitco1984
You’re a “huge fan“, but you can’t quote this movie? That’s like saying JK Rowling is your fave author and you’ve only read Casual Vacancy!
iEatRainbowsForBreakfast
Well you didn’t quote the movie either, so
kaitco1984
I’m saying that you’re a lame “huge fan” if you’ve not seen it enough to quote. Your comment was like not knowing he was in Die Hard.
iEatRainbowsForBreakfast
You seem so fun.
iEatRainbowsForBreakfast
And you’re kind of embarrassing yourself by taking this so seriously.