All non-fashy French should be proud! I'm American, but I love France. I lived and worked there for a couple years in my 20s and had good French for a while. It's not a perfect country, but it's a good one in most ways.
Their programme says they want to send weapons to Ukraine, take the russian oligarch's assets, even send blue helmets to the nuclear power plants (Zhaporozhia) to secure it.
you're persistent in your lies. you know absolutely jack shit, you could learn, their program is available online. But you chose to lie instead. why is that ? are you one of those piece of shit troll with no self esteem ?
Oh my God, I am so relieved. I live in the US, but seeing people in the UK and France both avoid going further and further right has genuinely renewed my faith in western, liberal democracy. Not that it was entirely gone, but it sure had been damaged.
The french made it a tradition with initially losing to the far right becoming their wakeup call that it's time to take the vote seriously. I'm old enough to remember when it was her dad, JMLP's FN that got more than 30% only to be crushed later by a large voter turnout. It's always heartwarming to see my country with all its problems uniting behind the old ceremonial custom of taking out the fash.
Never won, but citizens mustn't count on that staying the same every time. It takes effort to keep clownish vermin under control, and just one slip to let them reach where they should never be. We've seen that happen, after all.
Sort of. Her party hasn't been able to form a majority but has consistently increased its vote share over the past three elections since she took over. In 2022, they secured 41% of the vote. This latest result is surprising though due to a strong performance in the previous round of voting.
France’s polls were predicting an absolute majority for LePen - the youth vote turned it upside down.
Remember: Polls only count people who answer the phone to strangers - what matters is what we do in November, not what pollsters and right wing media ghouls scream about now.
I’m old because I actually answer poll calls lol. My job means most legit calls are from people I don’t know. But I turn 35 this month so I am not actually in the “young” bracket anymore anyway….*le sigh*
Ya know I'd be open to responding to those pollsters but the amount of calls I dare answer from random usually out of state numbers are just dead air for 10 seconds and end so I block them.
I fucking hate speaking on the phone, so the odds of me ever being represented in the polls is damn near zero… but you better believe I’ll be represented in the voting booth (or postal ballot in my case)
It's a huge and awesome turnaround for the left, but also... the far right won almost 1/3 of seats, just behind the center right. That's up from 2 seats in 2012 to 120ish now. The left and center should coalesce, but also take it as a stern warning that the far right is growing ever stronger. Eternal vigilance.
The Left must lead the fight against Nazis, as always. The so-called center (moderate right, liberals, etc.) must either follow their leadership or inevitably fall in with the fascists.
The center fought and beat the nazis. I don't know who is teaching you history, but Eisenhower and Truman and FDR were not socialists and none of those teenagers sent on to Normandy were leftists. I happen to be progressive, too, but I'm not so blind that I think progressives are an overwhelming majority. The left trying to lead without compromise is exactly what pushes the center into the hands of the fascists.
What compromise are you suggesting with effing Nazis?! It was the Left that picked up the fight despite all odds, convinced the center to join forces and led them against the fascists. Without the Left, the entire world would have been conquered piecemeal by the Right.
You don't compromise with the nazis, that's the point. You compromise with the center, the undecideds, the moderates AGAINST the nazis. You drop far-left things like nationalizing industry, you compromise on things like regulation, and in return you get to stay at the table and shape the conversation on defeating nazism. When you start talking things like UBI the center spooks and all of the sudden you're outside while they discuss politics with the right. And just like the old story of the
Jokes aside, to my fellow Americans out there, please take these wins as proof that we aren't completely fucked. We have a chance to kick these fascist fucks to the curb as well. Please vote guys
And also take these results as proof that polls mean very little. The Right was expected to easily win in France based on the polls, but reality was different.
Mostly okay, instead of the far right winning it's now the left leaners that are the big winners. Far right still got a fair number of seats but they aren't a majority, as far as I can tell. Crisis temporarily avoided, I guess...
Considering what was expected: yes, it did. The left coalition won the most seats, and the far right came third. I'm really happy it went this way, but the far right having close to 150 seats is still baffling.
Not really. Instead of having the usual majority party that becomes unpopular but can still do something, you now have 3 parties that can't do anything. This will lead to even more public frustration as nothing will get done (even for already low French standards). Fascists got mainly defeated in run off elections where it was sanity against them. Still they pulled 40%+ of the votes in most of these setups. I don't see how people can see that as a win.
It's still up for grabs. The left coalition won the most seats, but fell short of a majority. It's now going to be up to the centrist party and seeing who they decide to support
It's essentially a three-way split between left, center-right, and far right. Most likely next step is a coalition between the left and center-right. I also have full confidence in Macron overestimating the strength of his position, fucking the whole system up, and getting Le Pen elected to the presidency.
Sorry to all of you thinking that yes, it went well, but no. It's terrible that they once again came this close. They keep getting traction since early 2000 and them making it first in the first round is awful.
It can go much better than expected and still fall short of what is needed. I say to take it as a sign that it can be pushed farther next time. Nobody is suggesting we stop the push after the first, slight improvement. But that improvement is still a good sign that the pushes work.
As i understand it, it is currently split between 3 blocks. Though that would mean a 3rd round, but only a small fraction of the french understand the rules of french elections....
3 way split means if 2 sides aka parties empowered with way of 50% of the population agrees that the thing they are doing is a good.... So miles better than a fair 2 party system, not that there are any of those.
Huh? nop. The "3 blocks" are composed of people who won their elections, not who just qualify for the next step. The Vth Republic was designed for a bipartite system, much like the US, although is much better at representing smaller factions. Yet, like most governments it becomes dysfunctional when 3 almost equal factions with very separate ideologies can't agree on anything. The political goal of the minority parties become to frustrate the electorate even more to oust the majority.
In that the biggest bloc is leftist, fucking absolutely - I’m SO happy to see it… But the caveat is that it leaves the National Assembly split into 3 deadlocked parties. That’s gonna make it really hard to get anything passed, so the appointments of President and Prime Minister will be the real litmus test for the legislative future.
But for now? Savouring this. Loving it, and loving the pictures of overjoyed young people dancing in the street. I’m so relieved: first the UK, now France ❤️
Given that the center and left cooperated to reach this result, and block the far right, I'm hopeful that they can form a coalition. But either way, this is a vastly better result than was anticipated, and both parties did the right thing by having their third-place candidates drop out in favor of the other, to stop Le Pen.
It really was an excellent display of solidarity and cooperation in the face of a terrible threat - it was great to see, and I hope that spirit sticks around.
This should be the end of their fascists. The new generations of voters don't buy racism. They are far too diverse for that. The end of the ethnostate has irrevocably begun (at last). Tge Left has only to manage it through the necessary steps.
Cmon America, you can do it. I believe in you. Everyone get your friends and go vote blue. I don't care how old he is. I don't care if he wins and turns the reins over to kamela on day 2. Trump and the GOP must be removed from our government forever.
It was smart of Macron to call the snap election. This didn't let the far right assholes gain momentum from their EP win. Hate or like him he made a good move here.
What a take. Do political decisions usually get made in an environment where both outcomes are tested or are elections an inherently unsuitable example of an event which can be measured in this way?
centrist and left cooperated and had the weaker of their candidates resign in all the voting districts in the hopes that their voters would jump to the other one and not to the fascists, apparently that worked, but overall macron did indeed lose a bunch of seats to the left...dunno if thats good or bad, macron doesnt really get shit done like most centrists in europe, but the problem is the left in many countries are bought by putin same as the right, dunno how it is in france...
The far right advanced but a lot less than feared/hoped (depending), the presidential party Lost some seats but less than feared and in a big surprise the left coalition is the biggest winner of the three (but without enough seats to rule alone)
weird I coulda sworn the totally credible news source that is the front page of imgur was screaming just yesterday about how fascists had taken over France...
To be fair that's because that's what the polls *said*. That's what galvanized the left and centre to band together to a degree and kick the far right in the teeth so that they don't make nearly the gains they were projected to
DenStortalendeMester
ttm2
Pardon my German, but shadenfreude is delicious
Clockworkdancerobot
Fuck the fascists.
Nikolai5
I'm from the UK, our Putin party didn't get in, nice to see our neighbours are not voting for theirs either.
metalrulercid
This is my country. It's not perfect but I'm proud of us. Vive la France
TheChunguskaEvent
All non-fashy French should be proud! I'm American, but I love France. I lived and worked there for a couple years in my 20s and had good French for a while. It's not a perfect country, but it's a good one in most ways.
Bludabeagle
As an American......FIRSTLY....T H A N K YOU!! For helping us out 200+ years ago, I hope we can still keep our Democracy, now!
Sebastopol140
arobaseche
False photo. She was crying out of joy 2 years ago in a comedy show mocking her (in front of her, yes).
Starbug1306
spontaneous9
Allez! Allez!
CrisprCAS
Turns out the racists were le tired, and needed a nap.
Override9636
And we need to vote them all out before they fire ze missiles
glovelyday
Hon-hon.
Txernobog
Poor Vladimir...
ThatSceneWithElisabethShue
afaik the French "leftists" want to stop helping Ukraine so...
Txernobog
Their programme says they want to send weapons to Ukraine, take the russian oligarch's assets, even send blue helmets to the nuclear power plants (Zhaporozhia) to secure it.
ThatSceneWithElisabethShue
I based my comment on Melenchon's positions on Ukraine, here you can find a summary (with linked sources):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_M%C3%A9lenchon#Ukraine
Particularly the idea of NATO annexing Ukraine is straight out from Russian propaganda.
ThatSceneWithElisabethShue
Anyway, if the NFP has come to a more reasonable position about the matter it's fine by me. Time will tell.
Shoutrr
you're persistent in your lies. you know absolutely jack shit, you could learn, their program is available online. But you chose to lie instead. why is that ? are you one of those piece of shit troll with no self esteem ?
spirz
Un sacré soulagement, pour être franc.
Thelrishlnquistion
SecretAgentSuperBooger
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Starbolt81
*clap* *clap*
Chefpnut
I sang that to the tune of “If you’re happy and you know it”
WarmLiquidGooPhase
trigonman3
You got the single entendre, congratulations
sevenfingerman
Good, fuck her. Little French Hitler.
JabesMcJabesface
Oh my God, I am so relieved. I live in the US, but seeing people in the UK and France both avoid going further and further right has genuinely renewed my faith in western, liberal democracy. Not that it was entirely gone, but it sure had been damaged.
ikeseff
I think you mean le mao
ballsoutflyer
heyletsbefriends
fuck yeah. is it over? what kinda win are we talking about?
FellaWithUmbrella
Counting is still going on but here is latest estimate:
PhoenixFalling
What do French geese say?
Hon Hon
arobaseche
I don't get it.
PhoenixFalling
Instead of Honk they do the stereotypical French laugh Hon
arobaseche
Oh ! I didn't know that we have a stereotypical laugh. 😊
CrisprCAS
Get this tube out of my throat! I don't want to eat that much!
Maaatth
♪ La jeunesse emmerde le front national ♫
GordonFreeman59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuZB9hOQ0DQ :)
Sebastopol140
Ahhh, on voit les connaisseurs !
BettyVeronica
Can someone explain to my not so very smart friend who this person is and why we are laughing at her please.
LondoMollari58
She's another Putin Pal and her party of fascists got their asses kicked in today's elections in France. So, y'know, real good shit.
BettyVeronica
Ah good stuff.
WardSharlow
Ça ne vaut pas Le Pen.
Surullian
Niobe68
livinglife9009
Didn’t her party loose like the last three elections in France?
Override9636
She wasn't very tight about it, that's for sure
kongfuchicken
The french made it a tradition with initially losing to the far right becoming their wakeup call that it's time to take the vote seriously.
I'm old enough to remember when it was her dad, JMLP's FN that got more than 30% only to be crushed later by a large voter turnout.
It's always heartwarming to see my country with all its problems uniting behind the old ceremonial custom of taking out the fash.
AnOceanOfStars
Never won, but citizens mustn't count on that staying the same every time. It takes effort to keep clownish vermin under control, and just one slip to let them reach where they should never be. We've seen that happen, after all.
bigdukesix
Sort of. Her party hasn't been able to form a majority but has consistently increased its vote share over the past three elections since she took over. In 2022, they secured 41% of the vote. This latest result is surprising though due to a strong performance in the previous round of voting.
Thelrishlnquistion
alisa2089
Comet260
We'll see come November. VOTE, GODDAMMIT! 😠
JWarder
HA Ha ha ,,, sob.
ronin1031
Might as well add the Canadian flag above the American flag at this point
IToldYouSo1
🗽🤣
MyRespectableAlterEgo
France’s polls were predicting an absolute majority for LePen - the youth vote turned it upside down.
Remember: Polls only count people who answer the phone to strangers - what matters is what we do in November, not what pollsters and right wing media ghouls scream about now.
alisa2089
I’m old because I actually answer poll calls lol. My job means most legit calls are from people I don’t know. But I turn 35 this month so I am not actually in the “young” bracket anymore anyway….*le sigh*
CPTBRUMBL3Z
Ya know I'd be open to responding to those pollsters but the amount of calls I dare answer from random usually out of state numbers are just dead air for 10 seconds and end so I block them.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
I fucking hate speaking on the phone, so the odds of me ever being represented in the polls is damn near zero… but you better believe I’ll be represented in the voting booth (or postal ballot in my case)
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
we get
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
saw this 2 posts over, hated it and thought it should go here
cardinal29
Sebastopol140
Cry more, racist POS.
DarwinsWeasel
If this was WW2, she'd have been a Vichy collaborator.
Mortbise
Vas-y, chiale, vieille pute facho.
(Come on, weep, old fascist whore)
SadsPikkelson
It's a huge and awesome turnaround for the left, but also... the far right won almost 1/3 of seats, just behind the center right. That's up from 2 seats in 2012 to 120ish now. The left and center should coalesce, but also take it as a stern warning that the far right is growing ever stronger. Eternal vigilance.
Margrave9000
The Left must lead the fight against Nazis, as always. The so-called center (moderate right, liberals, etc.) must either follow their leadership or inevitably fall in with the fascists.
SadsPikkelson
The center fought and beat the nazis. I don't know who is teaching you history, but Eisenhower and Truman and FDR were not socialists and none of those teenagers sent on to Normandy were leftists. I happen to be progressive, too, but I'm not so blind that I think progressives are an overwhelming majority. The left trying to lead without compromise is exactly what pushes the center into the hands of the fascists.
Margrave9000
What compromise are you suggesting with effing Nazis?! It was the Left that picked up the fight despite all odds, convinced the center to join forces and led them against the fascists. Without the Left, the entire world would have been conquered piecemeal by the Right.
SadsPikkelson
You don't compromise with the nazis, that's the point. You compromise with the center, the undecideds, the moderates AGAINST the nazis. You drop far-left things like nationalizing industry, you compromise on things like regulation, and in return you get to stay at the table and shape the conversation on defeating nazism. When you start talking things like UBI the center spooks and all of the sudden you're outside while they discuss politics with the right. And just like the old story of the
DarkRedCape
That’s two out of three, don’t let us down America!!
n0d2ablindh0rs3
Prepare to be disappointed. If he loses there will be violence. If he wins, there will be violence.
LoTRFanatic42
Canadian here, don't count us out yet. I'm seriously worried conservatives will win our next election
Narwhilian
*narrator voice* America will let them down
Jokes aside, to my fellow Americans out there, please take these wins as proof that we aren't completely fucked. We have a chance to kick these fascist fucks to the curb as well. Please vote guys
SilentScreamsX
And also take these results as proof that polls mean very little. The Right was expected to easily win in France based on the polls, but reality was different.
Coltaine
So elections in France went well?
perlninja
Mostly okay, instead of the far right winning it's now the left leaners that are the big winners. Far right still got a fair number of seats but they aren't a majority, as far as I can tell. Crisis temporarily avoided, I guess...
AidanPrydeCork
looks like it: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ck7gydwgvy8t
WhatTheFrog
Considering what was expected: yes, it did. The left coalition won the most seats, and the far right came third. I'm really happy it went this way, but the far right having close to 150 seats is still baffling.
Sebastopol140
Much MUCH better than anticipated, yep, quite well.
Funkypeeg
Not really. Instead of having the usual majority party that becomes unpopular but can still do something, you now have 3 parties that can't do anything. This will lead to even more public frustration as nothing will get done (even for already low French standards). Fascists got mainly defeated in run off elections where it was sanity against them. Still they pulled 40%+ of the votes in most of these setups. I don't see how people can see that as a win.
TheGriffin
It's still up for grabs. The left coalition won the most seats, but fell short of a majority. It's now going to be up to the centrist party and seeing who they decide to support
Friendlyhedgehog
It's essentially a three-way split between left, center-right, and far right. Most likely next step is a coalition between the left and center-right. I also have full confidence in Macron overestimating the strength of his position, fucking the whole system up, and getting Le Pen elected to the presidency.
Mortbise
Sorry to all of you thinking that yes, it went well, but no. It's terrible that they once again came this close. They keep getting traction since early 2000 and them making it first in the first round is awful.
BallDoctor
It went a hell of a lot better than it looked like it would, yesterday. So we can be happy about that for a moment.
DukeDarkwood
It can go much better than expected and still fall short of what is needed. I say to take it as a sign that it can be pushed farther next time. Nobody is suggesting we stop the push after the first, slight improvement. But that improvement is still a good sign that the pushes work.
ArandomDane
As i understand it, it is currently split between 3 blocks. Though that would mean a 3rd round, but only a small fraction of the french understand the rules of french elections....
3 way split means if 2 sides aka parties empowered with way of 50% of the population agrees that the thing they are doing is a good.... So miles better than a fair 2 party system, not that there are any of those.
Funkypeeg
Huh? nop. The "3 blocks" are composed of people who won their elections, not who just qualify for the next step. The Vth Republic was designed for a bipartite system, much like the US, although is much better at representing smaller factions. Yet, like most governments it becomes dysfunctional when 3 almost equal factions with very separate ideologies can't agree on anything. The political goal of the minority parties become to frustrate the electorate even more to oust the majority.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
In that the biggest bloc is leftist, fucking absolutely - I’m SO happy to see it… But the caveat is that it leaves the National Assembly split into 3 deadlocked parties. That’s gonna make it really hard to get anything passed, so the appointments of President and Prime Minister will be the real litmus test for the legislative future.
But for now? Savouring this. Loving it, and loving the pictures of overjoyed young people dancing in the street. I’m so relieved: first the UK, now France ❤️
tombeithemist
...and with luck, the US, in November...
varesya
Given that the center and left cooperated to reach this result, and block the far right, I'm hopeful that they can form a coalition. But either way, this is a vastly better result than was anticipated, and both parties did the right thing by having their third-place candidates drop out in favor of the other, to stop Le Pen.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
It really was an excellent display of solidarity and cooperation in the face of a terrible threat - it was great to see, and I hope that spirit sticks around.
Margrave9000
This should be the end of their fascists. The new generations of voters don't buy racism. They are far too diverse for that. The end of the ethnostate has irrevocably begun (at last). Tge Left has only to manage it through the necessary steps.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
We can’t rest on our laurels though - Nothing fights harder than an animal that knows it’s dying.
phalanxausage
It's sad to think about how many generations have believed this. I wish it were true.
Thelrishlnquistion
Instead of lurching far right it’s lurched left, so yes, very well!
Coltaine
Good!
Ultratoxic
Cmon America, you can do it. I believe in you. Everyone get your friends and go vote blue. I don't care how old he is. I don't care if he wins and turns the reins over to kamela on day 2. Trump and the GOP must be removed from our government forever.
zFUBARz
So was it left pickng up seats, and centrist Macron losing a few? And the right did not make the gains it hoped for?
TheFastpaws
It was smart of Macron to call the snap election. This didn't let the far right assholes gain momentum from their EP win. Hate or like him he made a good move here.
bromanbro
Easy to say that now. Good luck performing an AB test to examine the counterfactual.
DrMarioSThompson
What a take. Do political decisions usually get made in an environment where both outcomes are tested or are elections an inherently unsuitable example of an event which can be measured in this way?
RecurringNightmare
centrist and left cooperated and had the weaker of their candidates resign in all the voting districts in the hopes that their voters would jump to the other one and not to the fascists, apparently that worked, but overall macron did indeed lose a bunch of seats to the left...dunno if thats good or bad, macron doesnt really get shit done like most centrists in europe, but the problem is the left in many countries are bought by putin same as the right, dunno how it is in france...
Shmotzel
The far right advanced but a lot less than feared/hoped (depending), the presidential party Lost some seats but less than feared and in a big surprise the left coalition is the biggest winner of the three (but without enough seats to rule alone)
zFUBARz
Well excellent, I'd heard about the right underperforming, but the left showing up in droves is a delight.
blaghart
weird I coulda sworn the totally credible news source that is the front page of imgur was screaming just yesterday about how fascists had taken over France...
GriffinMann41
To be fair that's because that's what the polls *said*. That's what galvanized the left and centre to band together to a degree and kick the far right in the teeth so that they don't make nearly the gains they were projected to