Another amusing bit of science

Sep 14, 2024 6:56 AM

https://phys.org/news/2024-09-science-fair-glugging-effect.html

As Rohit Velankar, now a senior at Fox Chapel Area High School, poured juice into a glass, he could feel that the rhythmic "glug, glug, glug" was flexing the walls of the carton.

Rohit pondered the sound, and wondered if a container's elasticity influenced the way its fluid drained. He initially sought the answer to his question for his science fair project, but it spiraled into something more when he teamed up with his father, Sachin Velankar, a professor of chemical and petroleum engineering at the University of Pittsburgh Swanson School of Engineering.

They set up an experiment in the family's basement and their findings were published in their first ever paper together as father and son.

"I became quite invested in the project myself as a scientist," Sachin Velankar said. "We agreed that once we started on the experiments, we'd need to take it to completion."

The paper is published in the journal Physics of Fluids.

The science behind the glug
Rohit's first experiments found deli containers with rubber lids emptied faster than those with plastic lids.

"Glugging occurs because the exiting water tends to reduce the pressure within the bottle," Velankar said. "When the container is highly flexible, like the bags that hold IV fluids or boxed wine, the container may be able to dispense fluid without glugging. But there are other types of flexible bottles out there, so surely their elasticity must affect its draining."

They created their own ideal acrylic bottles with rubber lids using tools available at Fox Chapel Area High School's makerspace. A sensor was placed near a hole at the bottom of each bottle to measure the pressure oscillations with each glug. The Velankars were able to simulate flexibility by adjusting the diameter of the hole, confirming that flexible bottles drain faster, but with bigger, more infrequent glugs.

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The size of the hole and the rate at which you pour have everything to do with whether it will”glug” at all.

11 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If there's need to get fluid in / out any container fast you have to compensate for the lost / gained volume in the container. No?

11 months ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

You know, I'm somewhat of a scientist myself

11 months ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

A bottle drains faster too when you make the liquid spin inside it, so air can get in in the centre unhinderd by the outflow.

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11 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As they say, fucking around, finding out, and then writing it down. =)

11 months ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

The difference between science and fucking around is whether or not you write it down.

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11 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Why would the lid material matter? Usually it drains faster if you remove the lid.

11 months ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think the experiment was in containers where you don't remove a lid, like I bags you have a hose coming out of it, and boxed wine you open the little spout. The lid is still on the container you just are releasing liquid from a hole in the container. Either way lid no lid, the premise is the same, you've got a container, there is a hole in the container and liquid comes it of it, makes glug sound and speed changes based on container size and material

11 months ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But that’s not a lid, that’s the thingie around the hole that the lid screws onto.

11 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And that thingie is not even always made from the same material as the lid to simplify sorting for recycling.

11 months ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Uh, I thought this was already common knowledge... wtf?

11 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It is.
As with 99% of these "students discover answer to mystery that has plagued science for centuries!!", it's usually a case where students answered a question that had already been answered, often better, decades before they were born.
At least it's a break from the orphan crusher

11 months ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

There can be lots of assumptions, but having the scientific peer reviewed research means there's more confidence in moving forward with applications for these assumptions.
And hell, a high school kid getting interested enough to engage the full scientific process is awesome. The fact Dad got involved and worked together on it is amazing

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