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SithElephant
For added fun, measuring mental health is typically done with mental health score tests that assume a physically healthy patient. For example, asking 'Do you enjoy the things you used to', ... For conditions that radically change your ability to perform common tasks, this mixes up can't and won't to a dangerous degree. And may score severely ill people as depressed or anxious. https://www.reddit.com/r/cfs/comments/nvvfdl/comment/h15l0vn/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 in moredetail
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
That's a bit like the argument that chemistry is just applied physics.
Tengenstein
Physics is just applied mathematics.
CogentMoment
A persons mental well being is dependent on the balance of chemicals in the brain. There are theories that gut health plays a role in that balance. And then we're all familiar with something as simple as being "hangry". So, yes?
Alurkerforcedtologin
You have a core assumption here that is invalid. It doesn't matter if the illness is physical or mental, it's still an illness. One kind is not "more real" then the other, so identifying it illness as being a mental illness does not "downplay it".
YeroctheBarbarian
Well that’s a complex question but here’s what I can explain in my admittedly limited knowledge. There is psychology and psychiatry which are similar in a lot of respects but one of the big differences is psychiatry is able to prescribe medication for mental illness but both are important. But being able to go to either is important because it allows us to parse are emotions. The other part of the equation is epigenetics and being able to heal and prevent generational trauma via mental health.
mksu
There's very little we can do to physically intervene in the root causes of mental illness in most cases because our understanding of them as physiological conditions is inadequate. In many cases, simply dealing with them from a behavioral perspective is all we can do, though researchers continue to investigate the root physiological causes of common ailments.
depressedscientist
Although many mental illnesses are physiological in their cause, there are illnesses where physiological changes were the effect of a traumatic mental experience (cause). Shell shock or PTSD are good examples.
HerTheyCandybar
Yep. I completely agree with this. Gut bacteria is linked to so much, including insomnia, depression, and neurodivergent behavior. We just keep pushing drugs and whatnot instead of addressing what's going on physically.
faethorferenc
Correlation =/= Causation
HerTheyCandybar
No one said it CAUSES the diseases. There are many symptoms associated with poor gut bacteria. You would do well to read for comprehension and conversation rather than just copying and pasting terms you've seen in order to try to cause argument.
HogWashDiddler
The answer to the meme...both. It depends on what the root cause it, may be physical, may not.
jahsouljah
But is mental illness downplayed in comparison to physical, due to the fact it's mental? Eventhough it can have either a physical prereqisite or manifestation linked to mental states, and it is quite difficult to differentiate, what is the cause and what the consequence. Anyhow, we don't appear take them serious enough...
HogWashDiddler
Unfortunately it traditionally was downplayed. Its starting to finally change and the stigma of mental health is fading.
rkingesd365
It might not be treated as seriously or as real but it has gotten better in the past 30-40 years. Not by much but there has been an improvement in understanding and treatment
QQTrain
Latest I've heard is a report that they're attempting to use targeted electromagnetic pulses or what not to alleviate symptoms of ADHD. As someone with a grandfather who was obsessed with magnet therapy in the 80s, and lifelong ADHD kid this sounds like I'm circling back to the start of knowledge in my life. If your genetics cause the brain to not form in standard ways, which do you treat? Should you? Likely each case will be unique.
faethorferenc
Illness and disorder are not the same thing. ADHD is a disorder, or as i prefer to say, a deviation from the so called "normal".
QQTrain
Splitting hairs on that one. Not a single example was utilized in the setup, therefore it's open to interpretation of the meaning. People around me will consider any deviation from the norm to be illness. Autism, ADHD, homosexuality, you name it.
faethorferenc
An illnes usually can be cured. A disorder can not. So yeah i am splitting hairs. While both are deviations from "normality" they're not the same.
QQTrain
Can you please give even one single example of such? Thus far I've heard none.
faethorferenc
The flu is an illness, can be healed, ADHD and Autism are disorders and can't be cured, homosexuality doesn't even fit illness or disorder.
jahsouljah
Is being sociopathic an illness or a disorder?
faethorferenc
A disorder.