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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keshia_Thomas
Aug 26, 2025 11:29 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keshia_Thomas
rbudrick
I dont want goodness beaten into bad people. I want them beaten until they keep their bad to themselves. Sometimes that's a lot of beatings.
Toqom
Ya, I'm not interested in waiting for Nazis you come around.
AShartInTheWind
Nazis should always be met with extreme violence.
Gruesslibaer
I don't think anyone was trying to beat goodness into him.
9z2nf02h
If you beat a fellow klansman half to death, the others will come with their red and blue lights flashing.
newsguycraigevans
funkwise100
Just look at that white trash face. It screams racist.
ArdentNature
Well, I'm sorry to say that that attitude is the reason you're in this mess and reps learned they can do whatever the fuck they want. Just saying.
woozle
bet he's the Grand Wizard by now.
BayazTheBenevolent
He looks the part for sure.
PaperinoVB
Maybe not. But sometimes you can beat the bad out of him.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
You can try...
bippityboppitybuttsex
No, but you can remove them from the threat board.
RocMage
"Don't touch me"
Kuhnible
I respect the humanity but reality wins the day all day, the only way to make a Nazi good is to kill them....
Dpatgotbanned
And that is why white nationalists are as numerous as they are. Being kind only goes so far. Imagine if we kept appeasing Hitler instead of taking the fight to him. Sometimes it takes letting people know you will not tolerate their hate is necessary.
whatdidyoureallyexpect
You
Can keep
Them
From
Breeding.
quzar
`Since the event Thomas has gone on to become a human rights activist and in 2016, noted that "The real accomplishment of all this to me is to know that his son and daughter don't share the same views. History didn't repeat itself. That's what gives me hope that the world can get better from generation to generation.`
- https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2016/06/saving_man_from_beating_at_kkk.html
djangojazz
The problem is we have been trying to be nice to fascist bigots for forty years and they just inflict fascism knowing we protect them. They hurt others.
TickTockDeadMan
No, you can't beat goodness into a person. But when the person is incapable of being good, or ya know, being openly hostile to other people, then the beating is not for goodness, but for survival. Plus I don't give a fuck what anyone says-- You willingly tattoo a hate symbol on yourself, that should be an open invitation to get your ass kicked. No amount of talk will teach them anything if they brand themselves like that
DownloadOnIphone
‘Since the event Thomas has gone on to become a human rights activist and in 2016, noted that "The real accomplishment of all this to me is to know that his son and daughter don't share the same views. History didn't repeat itself. That's what gives me hope that the world can get better from generation to generation."’
Too bad, was hoping to hear the guy changed for the better.
BayazTheBenevolent
The fact that he was left out entirely save for the fact that he died almost makes me believe that he probably stayed a racist piece of shit, but they didn't want that downer in their little feel-good story.
paulpagz838
Hell nah you think any white woman stop kkk members from hanging black men or killing my indigenous ancestors when they stole USA land
dragonsdemesne
Could we at least... try?
McFrazzlestache
I mean, this is noble and everything, but, it's giving gazelle protecting an alligator. At least the alligator doesn't know any better. Nazi lives don't matter. We literally fought 2 whole wars about this and won.
landcfan
WWI didn't have Nazis.
McFrazzlestache
As if fascism needs a moniker for its foot soldiers to exist, or even the term fascism. Research MAIN WW1. Militarism, Alliances, Imperialism, Nationalism. Sound familiar?
mjperk
No, but you can beat the badness out of them if you take it far enough.
RadioFloyd
This kills the racist.
Greypuppy
Good ending achieved.
twoamartist
According to Wiki his kids changed. One person at a time. There’s always hope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keshia_Thomas
FlintNorth44
Nazis tend to lay low and sow doubt in the minds of those who aren't aware of their tactics. Just look at 4chan.
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
It doesn't say that. It says she was thanked by one of his sons. But for all we know he was never racist to begin with. There's no shortage of people who have racist parents.
twoamartist
Since the event Thomas has gone on to become a human rights activist and in 2016, noted that "The real accomplishment of all this to me is to know that his son and daughter don't share the same views. History didn't repeat itself. That's what gives me hope that the world can get better from generation to generation."[12]
friendsofsandwiches
no, but you can keep him down.
GOD...I HATE how we were willing to accept discourse from these fuckers, but look how they repaid it.
I asked a friend of mine about that 'I may not like what you say...' thing, and she told me, "that does NOT work if they're breaking the social contract." To which she explained, if someone is saying things to HURT others, in any way shape or form, that's breaking the social contract, and why they should be in JAIL.
Sad that it took us nearly 20 years to figure
friendsofsandwiches
it out
WhattaMattahYou
agree and bonus: it's not a logical fallacy, it's a broken contract
if they break the social contract, they are no longer bound by OR PROTECTED BY the social contract
real simple stuff / fuck them jagoffs
fluens
This really jives with my autism. If people intentionally fuck up, fuck them entirely. I am very okay with designating trash people as trash. If you have a view that another humans worth is less from race/religion/gender/etc then you yourself lose your value as a person.
terwashere
I appreciate the thought, but considering this type of guy would lynch that type of lady, I feel like his thoughts would be "oh boy, a human shield!" or somesuch. This is like a rabbit defending a hunter.
mikeatike
2025 is a much different time than 1996.
Questionmorality
I doubt he'd lynch that type of lady
Skywatcher16
if this were the case, he wouldnt be wearing that shirt either.
fillerbunny9
The dude wearing a “you wear your X I’ll wear mine” confederate flag shirt definitely has tons of respect for black people.
Sure, Klan.
friendsofsandwiches
The hens guarding the fox.
WhattaMattahYou
nah, it's like a leopard defending a hyena
but it's lterally a good person doing the moral thing in the face of everyone hating her
she's not a victim, not prey, she's courageous as FUCK
OuchMyBrainHurtz
And through her courageous actions, likely helped expand that man's previously narrow perceptions.
WhattaMattahYou
it apparently made a difference to the man's kid
at least one life changed, who knows how many lives saved
HeyHeyDoubleA
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Lontri
I was a nazi and the threats of violence I received did not make me want to change my opinions. Heck, they made me feel like the people threatening to beat me up were the bad guys.
Note that I was a teenager/in my early 20's and it was usually older guys wanting to beat me up.
People different to me treating me nicely was what started the process of changing my mind. Now I'm so far on the left that apparently the Finnish communist party matches my views the best lol.
BayazTheBenevolent
You want a pat on the back or something? Good on you for growing a fucking conscience, I guess. Shame it took others to help you do something so fundamentally basic.
Someshithead241
Thats pretty much the consensus throughout history. Not that it will ever change the minds of these people.
Because they don't actually want them to change or improve. They just want a target, someone worse than them.
terwashere
A teen has some hope to change. At that age, they're usually parroting their parents. A middle aged (at best) adult has little hope to make such a drastic change.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
I'll explain it the simple way: It takes a nazi being willing to change, and someone willing to do months or years of emotional labor with that nazi, to change them.
It takes a baseball bat and a skull to make a nazi scared to do nazi-shit.
BayazTheBenevolent
Fucking right. And with how many Nazis asshole there are now I simply can't be assed to check which ones have a bit of empathy in their bald skulls. I don't fucking care if they feel excluded, I want these evil cunts afraid.
LuminoZero
I'm glad you changed, but every second these dangerous people exist openly in our society, innocent people are in real danger for no reason other than being different.
You should have gotten the shit kicked out of you until you were terrified to hold those positions in public. I acknowledge that you are a good person now and I wish you well, but it's not just about you. It's about all the people who have the RIGHT to feel safe in public, but couldn't because of people like you were.
omgzwtfs
To be fair, having the shit kicked out of you doesn't stop you from holding those positions and spreading them. I'd also argue spreading them anonymously online is far more effective than tattoos or demonstrations, and being a "victim" of violence will reinforce others in that community and sway some on the fence. @Lontri changed by being reasoned with. I got out of crazy far-right and religious views the same way. (Not claiming to have a perfect solution, just opinion from personal experience)
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Not trying to beat goodness into them. We doing it to show them they aren't welcomed in our communities. Last thing I want is a fascist to feel safe
tellmeivelivedagoodlife
Jayzus, sounds a lot like segragationists from the '60s..."Last thing I want is a * to feel safe"
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Cry harder.
People choose to be fascist. People can't choose their race. Nice false equivalency trying to bring up segregation.
frosss
Prove him wrong. Hopefully her actions did something for him.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Hopefully, but not at all likely. More than likely he went on to believe she is just "one of the good ones" while still adhering to his bigoted mentality.
I don't owe them any proof. Instead of relying on hope that they change, I prefer to rely on community defense running these pricks out of town.
If they want to change, they can do it elsewhere and come back begging for forgiveness. Until then, they don't get to feel safe espousing their bullshit in our cities.
RedJacketHero
Unfortunately that just chases them into all fascist communities, in which fascism becomes normalized for them.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
If someone doubles down after being told "stop being a fascist or else", then they were already fascist to begin with. They weren't being chased into fascist community, they are the fascist community and their absence is the desired goal.
Don't want to be treated like a fascist? Don't act like a fascist. Simple. It's not hard.
knottheusual
The way I see her point is to show some mercy, and let him live to remember that, if you've already kicked his ass a bit and he's one guy against your whole mob. If it's a mob of them and a mob of you then yeah it's a fucking war now, and getting them the hell out of your neighborhood is job one.
BayazTheBenevolent
Fuck mercy. They got mercy before and look where we are again. If we are ever to defeat fascism we can't do it by allowing them to feel safe in our society, period. I'm done turning the other cheek.
Questionmorality
Your attitude justifies their every action.
BayazTheBenevolent
Go fuck yourself.
SamAndJanetEvening
No, but you can beat the hell out of them
ThatsJustWhatWeCallPillowTalkBaby
Which doesn't take away from what a powerfully empathetic act this was for her. Most people are not as good as this, she has a strong moral compass.
vigilantvigilantes
Maybe we can trick trump into thinking that’s how he can get to heaven.
GrosseChung
If you can’t change their minds, make them scared of expressing their intolerant opinions
Richter12x2
And if you do it long enough, it stops being a problem
GravyEducation
I think that's antithetical to her point
kindpanda
It is. I commend and admire her resolve. I still would've bear the hell out of him
misterCT
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GravyEducation
DarthGoodguy
custardandfishfingers24
She's still a hero.
mikeatike
I'm not a hero. I'm a good guy. *stabs* Well I'm all right. *stabs again*
Strategicgnomer
Just like the guy who got over a hundred klansmen to give up their hate by just being their friend and talking to them with kindness, the only way to deprogram the indoctrinated is by being a safe space for them to learn better.
Questionmorality
Daryl Davis
omgzwtfs
Agreed. She felt morally obligated to keep someone from being beaten. I have some cognitive dissonance going on - wouldn't step in or be upset even if he died there, also wouldn't be on the "find out" end and don't think others here would either (the opportunity is available to everyone)
Arbitrarynamehere
If he got beaten to death I wouldn't spare a thought for anyone involved
omgzwtfs
As in it's morally neutral? Sounds shitty but I'm always torn on that. Feels like everyone should be on one side or the other - calls back to my own cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy
Arbitrarynamehere
No I mean I'm not gonna feel bad for the Nazi and I'm not going to feel compelled to see the assailants meet justice either