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How many sliderules and pocket protectors do you think are in this image?
Drafting School. You can tell they're in school since no neckties.
Probably not a lot of desk fans.
Roll up your sleeves and get to work, kiddo.
They all appear to have the same jackets for some reason. ....Japan, maybe?
Basking in all the fluorescent glory.
Getting modern here. That's an electronic calculator.
The paper was big at times, wasn't it?
I'm sure there was some significance to the slanted vs horizontal desks, but I don't know what it was.
Making the most of the available space.
Did I mention the paper was big?
...and lots of it?
Sokonomi
Next time you see a locomotive or steam engine, remember. Some dude with a caliper and a number 2 pencil figured that shit out.
rdcd11
Them chiropractor visits though.
jenw
a good drafting table helps
YourMethadoneFuel
I think the slant allows you to look straight 'down' at the drawing stopping back problems, also for a T ruler to hang vertically easily.
AtlasRook
I think you're right with the drawing part and they were the drawing creators; and the flat desks are the reviewers
jhsuber
helps with perspective when drawing, so you don't accidentally slant things from looking at it at an angle
JayEnfield
You can also reach more area.
dellfargus
Ex drafter here. I always thought it was a comfort/ergonomics thing. Sort of like those newfangled stand- up desks.
QuiGonChuck
I'll stick with my CAD & Revit, thank you very much!
notlikelyrichard
Been working with Revit for less than a year and it's like a third arm sprouted out of my chest. I can't imagine having to do without it.
LinkaAdoptsACouger
I went to school for this, and when I got out all the jobs wanted CAD drafters
ballsdeepagain
The slanted desks make it easier to get to the top of the page. So you don’t have lean over the whole thing and smudge your lines.
Kightzeareau
I saw one woman in the pictures. See if you can find her.
erwanairone360
I found her too, and thinked it's really old, nearly no woman at work
Yueling
The last pic, with the curls?
Kightzeareau
tdstar
2...
tdstar
First and last.
Kightzeareau
You're right! Good eye!
Imacatflushingthetoilet
I've worked in Japanese factory before. Everyone wear the same uniform even the company director.
IamNotAnAlien
thank fucking christ for autocad
GlobalConstitution4all
Ctrl P.
MrPakEDerm
Showing this to my boss later. He hates how reliant we've become on computers in this industry.
railgap
The better someone's Solidworks skills, the worse their engineering skills. :/ But an do I love me some Solidworks.
theyar
All this stupid paper, I bet none of them know how to properly care for a slate and chalk set!
Corona688
My uncle did a lot of CAD. Some things, they learned they needed paper for, like signing documents. Otherwise signatures get copy-pasted
DarkSock
A couple of years ago no one was available to produce a digital rendering so I busted out my pens and colored pencils & did a quick sketch…
DarkSock
... The young architects thought I was a wizard...
MrPakEDerm
And rightly so! I'm still amazed when my boss draws building elevations just to explain specific details to me.
DarkSock
Well I’ll be damned if I can figure out how they bust out photorealistic renderings from a BIM model...
PaintYourWagon
Really sucks how what used to take a team of people weeks to accomplish can now be done by one person in a few hours. Damn you progress!
sekseabritches
Things still go a lot smoother if you use your team as a resource though. Share all the ideas
PaintYourWagon
Ok, I never said that they didnt.... the difference is your team can now work much faster and accomplish a lot more work.
astrangehop
I know a guy who has a masters in cartography from the 90s. He's a wilderness guide now.
PirateRubberDuck
The construction industry is really behind in technology. So many are still on AutoCAD, it is embarrassing.
SpacebatMcbat
"BUT IM SO MUCH FASTER IN AUTOCAD" if you learn to 3d model effectively it can be faster than 2d and 100 times more useful
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
What are you using, Revit? Something else?
PirateRubberDuck
Revit. Mostly parametric family modelling and information management.
TheMovieGalaxyQuest
Welp, we have maybe 10% on Revit, rest of them are either AutoCAD or on the way to Civil 3D
entercleverusernamehereplease
Got me degree in Technical Drafting. Used the drafting table and AutoCAD. The board drafting was pretty enjoyable, actually.
Greyeyes1973
My dad was a structural steel draftsman in the 70-80s but got out when computers came along. I miss his drafting table
CaffeineManic
This machinist saying "U fuckin kidding me?"
CaffeineManic
I used to go down to the machine shop with a crude sketch and ask the best machinist what was the easiest shape to make that would work.
Yueling
Blame Groucho Marx in front
ididntmeanto
I can smell the ammonia from here.
AlexanderGibson
There use to be an art form to my profession. Computers make it faster and more accurate but we lose an important part
grandpasonlylivingheir
Lost the science also.
WolnyLogin
I love engineering books from the 50s, the drawings made with technical pens are SO CLEAR. Pieces of art, as you said.
SunAnvil
I was always jealous of the guys that could do words freehand and look better than mine while using a template.
ITalkAboutGoats
Do you though? What is art in the face of lives saved?
deathloop
ITalkAboutGoats
If architecture is more precise, then buildings and bridges are less likely to fall down. That's was my take on it. Sorry if I was wrong.
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
Really enjoyed my architectural drafting class, but it was leaning towards PC so kinda left it
IMissZach
I remember standing at a drafting table for days drawing schematics on D and E paper using plastic templates, and then doing the PCB 1/..
IMissZach
layout on velum and taping the layers on an exterior window so I could trace and review them. Used to take weeks to do a 2 layer board 2/..
IMissZach
and now we do 12 layer boards in a couple of weeks. 3/3
viv680611
Here are some from my work.
viv680611
These are early 70s prints, in decent shape for 40+ years of use
erwanairone360
What was the yellow sticker for?
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
"Jim...this fuckin blows"
cominginhot
that's the original idea from the owner of the studio
viv680611
Covering up the facility name.
erwanairone360
I got it. Anonymous paper. Great. I worked 15 years ago on cruise ships, lots of big papers too to drow on, I think they still had that.
Stuey1221
Big paper is for town/estate planning
SercMoodle
I love doing technical drawings by hand instead of generating them in CAD
Timeisapieceofwaxfallingonatermite
Still have all my drafting pens, ultrasonic cleaner, triangles, templates, etc.
procrastinatingagain
This is fascinating.
BernarDoc
I sure don’t miss the ammonia smell from the blueprint machine. Blueprints and Sepia copies
mikeatike
I bet these guys have to poop a lot.
ImGonnaSquirtHnnnnnggggg
This was beautiful ❤️
BozoThePie
Do you think there are any remaining pictures of their dogs? I'd like to inspect their nostrils.
jumpoff69
https://imgur.com/XS5LK.gif
DarkSock
Can confirm
wolfpackpgh
came back just to upvote this comment!
dansypants
Ditto
ExtremelyHappyGuy
Ha! nice reference.
SieghartEX
meta af
YouGotNoJamzz
Rustee245
Skibszilla
theyar
sik ref bra
Beanyoneyouwantcreateausernamedontstressyoucanchangeitanytime
I got that reference!
slipright
Mariko Aoki, is that you?
srsgiraffe
msftensoc365
Well they have plenty of paper for it.
DARfuckinROCKS
Ha! Our scrolling sinc-ed up
FatherNeal
*synced. Not to be a dick, just for future reference.
zochRot
that's hot
neoptolemus1
My friend wants to know what that means...
OliverClothesoff70
I did not understand that reference.
camigray
Lol! You read the B&N imgur!
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ShiningForceMax
Uh. Thank you?
smpat04
From a post 25 minutes ago haha
rawdoggins
lickmyfiddlestick
Pooped himself. This is how I’ll forever see this now.
GymMatMeat
Dunder Mifflin’s golden era.
UnknownVD
The people person paper people?
profssrfink
Dinder Mufflin
pennyeater
Muffdivin Diddlin
pappawiggles
Libvision
Stanley is the best
Stiggygur
What's that, some kind of muffle manufacturer?
Applepotamus
yes they made this
SteamingTheCat
That's crazy talk. Clearly they make dindles
sianine365
Naw man. They make mittens.
zWarlord
I do not miss drawing stuff out. What would take days, I can do in hours now.
ExceptFluffyDuck
So where you could think about what you did for days, you now do in hours. Imagine the reduction to attention to detail in modern arch.
linmanden
And you get paid just these hours.
zWarlord
Most CAD work is going to be by the job, not the hour.
retroman688
Praise be to AutoCAD.
BugEyedLemur
Yea but deadlines are now a bitch
brainstream
But drawing the different line weights, shading, lettering, etc. were all actual artforms back then. Not so much now.
ME2G
My dad was an engineer who quit to become an artist.
brainstream
I was an Architect for 30 years. CAD is cool, but it took a lot of the "romance" out of the profession.
ME2G
My dad was an engineer from the early 1940- 80’s. He officially quit at age 50. CAD wasn’t appealing to him.
brainstream
I don't think the drawings are "beautiful" anymore, but erasing and re-drawing sheets all over as things changed sure got old really fast!
DougDeNasty
Did three years of drafting in high school... I've drawn so many Buick transmission gaskets... right when I graduated, CAD became cheap.
NeoHelios
I prefer drawing, personally. Not as an occupation, certainly! Something about getting close and personal with the work. Like hand-tools1/2
NeoHelios
...in woodworking. Bench planes and chisels. The smell of the Vellum. The feeling of rotating the pencil as you draw to keep it sharp. 2/3
NeoHelios
...the little nuances of the process that make it human. Almost Zen-like.
ThisIsPelicanECHO419isAnybodyReadinMe
You're fuckin psycho lmao
NeoHelios
Haha I wouldn’t necessarily disagree! Drafting takes all sorts :) And I should add that a big part is the nostalgia. Reminds me of 1/2
ArgonSpark
My dad is the other way around. He's great with AutoCAD and stuff but if he's doing stuff at the house he gets out the drafting table lol
ruthinatotr
My mom greatly preferred the drafting table
LongoloidFartExplosion
https://media3.giphy.com/media/AZ1PPDF8uO9MI/giphy.gif
MrFnortner
50 years from engineering school and I still draw out every DIY project--and change it nine times--before starting.
dokpsy
Ever have that one that's almost perfect but your line isn't quite straight or turned a little too soon so now there's a gap? 1
RogueMachinae
Any DYI project should be planned out first! Helps figure out issues before hand. I like drawing it out. Actually can be faster @times
MamaJeaux
I bet you get a lot of DIY projects done. And I don’t mean that in a bad way, no!
MrFnortner
Yes, thank you.
dokpsy
2 so you have to redraw the whole thing because you will see it every time? Or is that just me
Corona688
CAD gets you buried in the details before you have the big picture. It's hard to beat cardboard-aided design sometimes.
MrFnortner
A friend who is a landscape architect still draws and paints his plans by hand because of the human touch he can't achieve with CAD.
ImSorryFriend
I never did tech drawing again after school, but seems to me you'd have a detailed sketch before drafting plans, regardless if paper or CAD?
Corona688
I'm talking about DIY projects.
gandraw
Why would you wear a necktie in that job though, some dumb dangly thing over the paper seems like the worst idea ever.
GoodColonizer
You just tuck it in to your shirt when youre drawing, just like in the military.
pennyeater
thats what the suit vest is for.... duh
CorsaC20XE
Same reason why now we work behind computers all day - don't see any customers and wear long sleeve shirts when it's 35 deg C outside ...
Zoetstukje
I don't get the labcoats! Are they trying to protect themselves from papercuts and ink? Necktie is big in pharma too...it's a status thing
mangor
Dress code.
Muttons1337
CTRL +Z = Heaven on Earth
Holedemort
I still look think "ctrl-Z!" when I draw sometimes. stupid reflexes
whiskeyvillage
CAD is awesome but sometime I like doing it old school. It's a completely different set of discipline coupled with fine motor skill activity
CorsaC20XE
Also drawings look like a piece of art.
WellThatsOriginal
Hey! I learned in one of those drafting boards. Does that mean I'm obsolete?
DarkSock
I was the last generation of Architect’s to draw manually; within 5 years of graduating they put me on one of the firm’s first CAD stations.
Freightshaker
For my arch. drafting degree, I had 1 quarter of CAD, with an optional extra quarter. Everything else was manual.
BellaCose
And I'll bet your lettering is absolutely perfect still, isn't it? :)
DarkSock
My lettering typically cost me half a letter grade in school; I was a pig. When I heard the PC would do all the lettering I volunteered 1st!
wanderingsibyl
Pretty much the same for my dad. He worked with Fay Jones before the days of autoCAD. Some of his blueprints are works of art.
ME2G
I framed a bunch of my dad’s smaller pieces.
TechnicalDrift
I took drafting the last year my school had it, 2008. Seriously though, it was the worst.
WaltLeach
Same boat here. Started on the boards and gradually switched to Acad, now Solidworks 3D. I miss the boards. I still write in all CAPS!!!
ME2G
I learned writing all caps because of my dad (engineer). He started in the late 40’s.
Freightshaker
:) I've forgotten how to make the lower case letters.
avastmehearty
I worked with people who had taken IC circuits drawn on mylar graph paper and cut out "ruby" mylar and taped it onto sheets to make a mask
avastmehearty
When I started circuits were still drawn by hand, then taken to a service where they were "digitized" on a work station
avastmehearty
By 1985 we had workstations of our own for both schematics and mask layout...
OliverClothesoff70
I experienced the transition while in school. It was paper drafting classes when I started, but I finished with AutoCAD on a PC running DOS.
jenw
My first drafting class was in 7th grade. I loved it.
helmutboy
VisiCalc and Lotus 1-2-3 were my life...
pennyeater
I took several semesters of drafting in high school because the school was way too underfunded to purchase CAD workstations that were out
pennyeater
I consider it more of an artistic background now since theres nothing still useful about using a t square to transcribe to ISO
helmutboy
Change those 5.25 floppy disks out, boy!
DarkSock
We used Xtree Gold as a DOS interface... ...damn, we are olde... *kaf kaf*
OliverClothesoff70
Oh, hells yeah. XTree was incredible. SO much better than typing all those DOS commands. Do you remember Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files?
DarkSock
Yep. And we used the big SummaSketch 12”x12” command tablets; when I moved to my current firm they used the mouse...I was so lost...
atesomebadfugu
I think I still have a vemco arm in storage somewhere.. yes I'm old.
ImNotNermal
I bought my first electronic calculator on hire purchase
friggenjeebus
I still use mine
InsipidInspector
My bosses just cleared out an office and were amazed a 36 year old knew what one was. My dad still has his drafting table
neatoburritobandito
Hi Old. I’m dad.. Oh shit. I guess I am too. Damnit.
EightyMeterLongDong
Hi too, I'm dad. Oh...
IFavouriteEveryPostISee
Hi dad. Oh..., I'm dad.
ObscureStarWarsReference
My dad's drafting desk at work had a styrofoam cup taped upside down on the corner. After you sharpened your pencil, 1/2
ObscureStarWarsReference
you poked it through the cup to remove any extra graphite dust that could possibly transfer to your work.
atesomebadfugu
that's awesome.
DopeNessMonster
I still have a Vemco arm on a Mayline table in my home office. My dad bought it new, still works perfect.
GoodColonizer
I love my dads drafting table, it huge, has a big ruler, and has a sick old style light on top.
ChoovaMonster
My dad still writes in drafting handwriting
MnM997
We still use that in our college, instead of cad
NoNotHimTheOtherGuy
Remember the terror of Drawing Changes? Yeah, I'm old too.
STINKPICKEL
I have a T-square and triangle in my basement .
thatssirtoyou
What's that
atesomebadfugu
go outside and play, kid..
DogeTopMK2
Let the adults talk.
WilwoWaggins
Me too. Learned with pencils, now use SolidWorks.
jemosor9000
No that is freaking awesome! What did you work with?
atesomebadfugu
drawing plans for cabinets.
doggo
I still have my drafting instruments.
cheeseguy3412
My dad is retiring soon. He's already brought home some of his old stuff, drafting table supplies and such. Very neat old hardware.
DogeTopMK2
I have the whole drafting desk and a Vemco in storage. Along with a florecent desk lamp that weighs about 50 pounds. Same era.
MooseSK
Interested in selling it?
atesomebadfugu
They're all over fleabay!
Ryebread91
Why so many people? Was everyone working on the same floor or is this like a sky scraper and everyone has their own?
DadofImgur
If there is something with many components being designed, you could have dozens of engineers designing parts for the given constraints.
DadofImgur
Speeds up the process dozens of times.
Ryebread91
So like one doing air duct the other doing lighting and so on?
DadofImgur
Typically in architectural drawings things are relatively simple, as compared to mechanical drawings.
clamdriver
#1 I was there, in a tie.
ravenfool
Were you the one in the blue shirt, or the other guy in white just superimposed in all those different positions all over the room
atesomebadfugu
I was the kid with the K2 shirt in #2.
PompatusOfLove
My dad still has a 4 foot drafting compass. For them big circles!
Dsharppe
Mine too! lol.
jetah
i like big circles.. an i cannot lie.