Pollution is bad, but it's more because there are a lot of humans. Humans have multiplied so much there's just not much room for other mammals. Like humans and their livestock outweigh all other land mammals 23:1.
Hello! I'm basically an expert in climate change, as I've kept up with the latest news coming from the top scientists for 10 years now (11 maybe?).
The protests haven't worked. We're now in "minus time" on the counter to get a really bad future. Regardless of what we do today, because we kicked the can so long, it's going to be bad. HOW bad is up to people like you and me.
On a bright note, I got my 5 yo daughter some young environmentalist books from the library recently. She loved them and when I explained that she didn't have to wait to grow up to be an environmentalist she got very excited. I have a tab open right now looking for volunteer opportunities we can do together.
Suggestion from a fellow eco-nerd. We clean up our local creeks and rivers using thick gloves, a grabbing stick, and thick bags. Parent takes care of sharps and other unmentionables, but otherwise it's safe, free, and requires no organization. We just clean as we go bird watching or stick finding.
I already do "trash walks" from time to time (just a walk with a bag and a grabber) and sometimes she comes. One of my proudest moments was when she was three. We'd gone to a nearby playground without a bag and when she saw that someone had left some litter, she insisted we go back home, get some bags, and clean up the area before playing.
Seconding this. My desert area is full of trash dumped everywhere. Filled up a pickup truck bed in 2019 on a local lake bed and still had to leave lots behind
Hey, for those of you who are new...it's not your fault, and it's certainly not our fault. I MAY LOVE BUDDY..., but Im smart enough to know that pollution isn't our responsibility
I mean, they did, essentially. The corporations dismantled public transportation, push for zoning laws that make cities unwalkable, and force people to work jobs in order to survive. American corporations and their slavish politicians absolutely made America (and Canada for that matter) unwalkable
And I mean we all know about the problems of pollution now (mostly) and still refuse to do anything. We're not *as* bad as powerful people who plan evil deed that happen over decades, but we're definitely partly guilty.
I mean "refuse to do anything" no, the corporations involved are the ones that need to be stopped as they're the ones active polluting and pushing for legislation that actively harms the environment. Any problem you're talking about goes back to some law or some policy put out by big business.
Buddy Gator. Thank you for the bright optimism. Trump bringing back plastic straws is just one tiny example of the “screw everything” nature of the current “government”.
yeah, but its those people why we have to suck a milkshake thought melting paper. Society means taking care of the weak, and it also means compensating for the assholes.
I dont know about you but when I'm done with my plastic straw, I throw it away in the garbage. How did that straw get in the ocean? That's the route you need to worry about. The straw is literally the straw man fallacy. It's never about the straw but it functions as an excuse and example on how our government treats the world and us in it.
It should be noted that the often-quoted statistic "90% of the plastic in the oceans comes from 10 rivers" is not correct, but extreme oversimplification.
In a recent study of the amount of plastic litter transported by 57 river systems, 10 rivers were estimated to be responsible for 90% of it. In other words, 90% of the plastic coming from rivers is from these 10. It does not mean that 90% of all plastic in the ocean is coming from these 10 rivers. — https://marinelitter.no/myth1/
The straw that got into the ocean came from the soda that some heedless tourist chucked on the beach when they were done. Not everyone is as good about putting their trash in the bin as you are, and it adds up.
The most straws in the oceans came from garbage that was sold to other countries. We import trash from Italy and we sell our own trash to India and Indonesia. I'm not saying that these countries chuck my garbage in their rivers but that much transport is absolutely ridiculous.
The fact that they're shutting down profitable renewable energy projects just goes to show how beholden they are to fossil fuel capitalists. Fossil fuels being the most profitable *anything anytime*. Only people that insanely rich get so insane they literally just take over an entire country to crush their competition (that was trying to save your children).
Plastic straws were a feel-good nothing though, gone or restored. Getting rid of them worldwide was using an eyedropper to fill the ocean, and restoring them is negligible. What's really needed is to get rid of the gill nets used by Asian fishing fleets, and make them recover lost trawl nets. Free-floating "ghost" nets are orders of magnitude worse than all the straws we've ever used.
Don’t lump all us “Americans” with maga-minions! He doesn’t speak for me, I didn’t vote for him & he’s most certainly not my president! He’s a POS voted in by POS.
Not me. I have heat resistant plastic straws that I bought years ago. I've tried finding metal ones to phase out my plastic ones as they do eventually break, but I've had no luck so far.
Just a tip: If you like hot or cold drinks don't get metal straws. Glas it the way to go IMO (Also reusable straws aren't really hard to find. In the worst case check Amazon)
Finding reusable straws is easy, just seems like all the ones stores around me carry are the disposable plastic ones, or the ones like I've already got.
No, it's a rally to restore something that many Americans preferred and now miss. Banning plastic straws had pointlessly made the environmental movement a lot of enemies, with negligible good effect to balance it. The intended effect was to give people a sense that they could easily contribute to saving the planet, so as to stave off hoplessness. They weren't meaningful, and it backfired.
But FFS, don't litter and have them wash down to the ocean, put them in a proper trash receptacle.
Straws constitute 0.03% of total plastic waste; banning them completely would accomplish nothing meaningful. Certainly not worth the backlash. Nor the moral license to feel you've done your part because you carry around a reusable straw, so you can keep a clear conscience as you do genuinely damaging things like buying inexpensive seafood imported from Asian countries.
Snooj
But I need a thneed, though.
BlackDragoness
When the last tree has fallen.
And the rivers are poison.
You cannot eat money, oh no.
akaychattin8
Buddy Gator gives me hope
TheFastpaws
Sadly humanity at large doesn't care enough. We are doomed as a species.
teardropivyyearofthetiger
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
barnwolf
Pollution is bad, but it's more because there are a lot of humans. Humans have multiplied so much there's just not much room for other mammals. Like humans and their livestock outweigh all other land mammals 23:1.
wadatahmydamie
I’d go to war for Buddy Gator, but I’d rather exhaust all peaceful means first
peridotstar
I'm certain that Buddy would want it that way :)
Ree81
Hello! I'm basically an expert in climate change, as I've kept up with the latest news coming from the top scientists for 10 years now (11 maybe?).
The protests haven't worked. We're now in "minus time" on the counter to get a really bad future. Regardless of what we do today, because we kicked the can so long, it's going to be bad. HOW bad is up to people like you and me.
loki1328
On a bright note, I got my 5 yo daughter some young environmentalist books from the library recently. She loved them and when I explained that she didn't have to wait to grow up to be an environmentalist she got very excited. I have a tab open right now looking for volunteer opportunities we can do together.
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
Writingpastwit
Suggestion from a fellow eco-nerd. We clean up our local creeks and rivers using thick gloves, a grabbing stick, and thick bags. Parent takes care of sharps and other unmentionables, but otherwise it's safe, free, and requires no organization. We just clean as we go bird watching or stick finding.
loki1328
I already do "trash walks" from time to time (just a walk with a bag and a grabber) and sometimes she comes. One of my proudest moments was when she was three. We'd gone to a nearby playground without a bag and when she saw that someone had left some litter, she insisted we go back home, get some bags, and clean up the area before playing.
mohavewolfpup
Seconding this. My desert area is full of trash dumped everywhere. Filled up a pickup truck bed in 2019 on a local lake bed and still had to leave lots behind
Wrest216
The little straw and the turtle got me, dam it!
SinisterDuff
Hey, for those of you who are new...it's not your fault, and it's certainly not our fault. I MAY LOVE BUDDY..., but Im smart enough to know that pollution isn't our responsibility
mithiwithi
We're responsible for electing people who will rein in polluters. This may even require... gasp... voting in primaries.
rooik14
It isn't you or I that caused it, but it's our responsibility to stop it by any means necessary
Ree81
Yyyyeah, no we consumers definitely caused a lot of it too. 30% of all microplastics in the world come from tires.
Unless corporations held a gun to your head and forced you to drive a car, you're partly guilty as well.
rooik14
I mean, they did, essentially. The corporations dismantled public transportation, push for zoning laws that make cities unwalkable, and force people to work jobs in order to survive. American corporations and their slavish politicians absolutely made America (and Canada for that matter) unwalkable
Ree81
And I mean we all know about the problems of pollution now (mostly) and still refuse to do anything. We're not *as* bad as powerful people who plan evil deed that happen over decades, but we're definitely partly guilty.
Ree81
deeds
rooik14
I mean "refuse to do anything" no, the corporations involved are the ones that need to be stopped as they're the ones active polluting and pushing for legislation that actively harms the environment. Any problem you're talking about goes back to some law or some policy put out by big business.
polepolekaz
Buddy Gator. Thank you for the bright optimism. Trump bringing back plastic straws is just one tiny example of the “screw everything” nature of the current “government”.
Grimmrog
plastic straws aren't bad it's humans throwing them away whats bad. it's always humans.
Spotafire
yeah, but its those people why we have to suck a milkshake thought melting paper. Society means taking care of the weak, and it also means compensating for the assholes.
Grimmrog
Not really society mwans educating them properly and letting assholes commpensate for themselves.
Woestkonijn
I dont know about you but when I'm done with my plastic straw, I throw it away in the garbage. How did that straw get in the ocean? That's the route you need to worry about. The straw is literally the straw man fallacy. It's never about the straw but it functions as an excuse and example on how our government treats the world and us in it.
ExTechOp
It should be noted that the often-quoted statistic "90% of the plastic in the oceans comes from 10 rivers" is not correct, but extreme oversimplification.
In a recent study of the amount of plastic litter transported by 57 river systems, 10 rivers were estimated to be responsible for 90% of it. In other words, 90% of the plastic coming from rivers is from these 10. It does not mean that 90% of all plastic in the ocean is coming from these 10 rivers.
— https://marinelitter.no/myth1/
mithiwithi
The straw that got into the ocean came from the soda that some heedless tourist chucked on the beach when they were done. Not everyone is as good about putting their trash in the bin as you are, and it adds up.
Woestkonijn
The most straws in the oceans came from garbage that was sold to other countries. We import trash from Italy and we sell our own trash to India and Indonesia. I'm not saying that these countries chuck my garbage in their rivers but that much transport is absolutely ridiculous.
Ree81
The fact that they're shutting down profitable renewable energy projects just goes to show how beholden they are to fossil fuel capitalists. Fossil fuels being the most profitable *anything anytime*. Only people that insanely rich get so insane they literally just take over an entire country to crush their competition (that was trying to save your children).
OliverOtter
Plastic straws were a feel-good nothing though, gone or restored. Getting rid of them worldwide was using an eyedropper to fill the ocean, and restoring them is negligible. What's really needed is to get rid of the gill nets used by Asian fishing fleets, and make them recover lost trawl nets. Free-floating "ghost" nets are orders of magnitude worse than all the straws we've ever used.
Footpair
This may be correct, but the advocacy for plastic straws is a rally for Americans to willfully destroy the environment out of gleeful spite.
Xenarion
Cardboard straws suck tho. That being said, I switched to using a re-usable straw instead.
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
Don’t lump all us “Americans” with maga-minions! He doesn’t speak for me, I didn’t vote for him & he’s most certainly not my president! He’s a POS voted in by POS.
Theory89
Not All Americans?
AFallenDragon
Not me. I have heat resistant plastic straws that I bought years ago. I've tried finding metal ones to phase out my plastic ones as they do eventually break, but I've had no luck so far.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Just a tip: If you like hot or cold drinks don't get metal straws. Glas it the way to go IMO (Also reusable straws aren't really hard to find. In the worst case check Amazon)
AFallenDragon
Finding reusable straws is easy, just seems like all the ones stores around me carry are the disposable plastic ones, or the ones like I've already got.
OliverOtter
No, it's a rally to restore something that many Americans preferred and now miss. Banning plastic straws had pointlessly made the environmental movement a lot of enemies, with negligible good effect to balance it. The intended effect was to give people a sense that they could easily contribute to saving the planet, so as to stave off hoplessness. They weren't meaningful, and it backfired.
But FFS, don't litter and have them wash down to the ocean, put them in a proper trash receptacle.
aslum
And now they've got you two argueing with each other over whether or not some small amount of personal pollution actually matters when big
aslum
corps and billionaires are polluting more in a day then 60% of us do in a year. Carbon Footprint, etc, all a distraction.
FloatingOnACloudOfTitties
Plastic straws are a major contributor to killing of ocean life & other wildlife. Single use plastics are an environmental disaster!
OliverOtter
Straws constitute 0.03% of total plastic waste; banning them completely would accomplish nothing meaningful. Certainly not worth the backlash. Nor the moral license to feel you've done your part because you carry around a reusable straw, so you can keep a clear conscience as you do genuinely damaging things like buying inexpensive seafood imported from Asian countries.
