Seems pretty made up. ChatGPT is too inoffensive to ever say what hes claiming it did. Not without direct and purposeful jailbreaking attempts. Which if that were the case, fuck that guy for the obvious misinformation and fearmongering.
You can goad any of these LLMs into saying whatever you want depending on how you phrase the question (or by loading it with instructions that conveniently don't make it into the clip).
These things are designed to TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. We live in a world where people don't accept facts anymore. They just want an authority to tell them what they ALREADY BELIEVE is good and right and okay and correct. Someone figured out you can market a chatbot that does this. That's all these are.
The host's point about the things being loaded with biases from their datasets isn't irrelevant. I was just stating that just because an LLM says something one way or the other doesn't prove anything. The statement neither proves nor disproves a bias because we have no idea what instructions it was loaded with beforehand.
AI is a buzzword used to describe a complex technology in a simple way. Machine Learning is neat, but it shouldn't be confused with the scifi concept of AI. We did not create actual intelligence.
...a tool that will be put into robots that question the purpose of humans. A decade from not someone will ask their robot to fix the planet...so it will decide to destroy the species that is destroying the planet. Walk into Chernobyl and carry enough radioactive poison to destroy the great lakes. Spread it with drones ...everywhere. working 24/7 building copies of itself. Skynet is fiction..for now
The NPCs in Pokemon Emerald were "Artificial Intelligence" according to the definitions used by Computer Scientists, and not lay-jackasses commenting about fields they don't understand. You can go to any University and take a class called "Introduction to Artificial Intelligence" and learn all about Q-learning and minimax and whatnot. It's not that we haven't created AI, it's that you don't know what the term actually refers to.
The bat controlled by a computer opponent in pong, is AI, basically anything that responds on its own on changing surroundings, fits that bill. Its an incredible broad term that does not hold much meaning without specifying what kind someone exactly means.
Its a popular marketing term now, so it gets slapped on pretty much anything, and they wouldnt even be lies
And the thing is, these llms are definitely very useful. You definitely shouldn’t be using it to get your news or facts (as shown in the clip). Its really used as a misinformation machine (and not always deliberate, plenty of it is iust “dumb guesswork”) and people expect truth out of it. Its a bubble that needs to burst so the whole thing can scale down to actual useful stuff
I think my favorite (in a way that hurts me) trend is every company marketing everything that involves a microprocessor as AI now. Set weekly reminders for yourself? AI. Utilizes decade-old image recognition? AI. Motion/proximity detection? AI.
ok but image recognition (computer vision) is AI. personal assistants use AI as well. May not be new, but neither are LLMs. Just different subcategories
Yet modern AI is used to govern and decide daily events in your life too with minimal oversight. "it's just crunching numbers". It's dangerous to not take it seriously.
Deepseek is several other models merged with sensitive ccp filtering, the purpose was to tell the Americans that China doesn’t have to use chatgpt at all, like all other key stuff, mobiles, EVs, computer chips and space technology. Trump and his dogs didn’t believe that China can live without the US and started a trade war, deepseek was just before the trade war. The 1986 Tiananmen Massacre will never disappear, deepseek can hide it but the whole world knows. But to the ccp deepseek is just
A leverage to stand up to trump’s tariff bullies, which is kind of hurting both countries right now, although China gets hurt less because they were prepared very well, actually the China gov started the preparations since the middle of 2024, they have foreseen this back then. We’re in such an interesting timeline right now, I think the tables are turned because China is actually getting better while trump is fucking things up in America.
People are getting canned answers on DeepSeek because they use the official, Chinese controlled app, and there is a layer of censoring on top of it, but the model itself is great. Use it on 3rd party services hosted in EU/US. No censorship, and usually the filters are limited to the common sense stuff (clearly illegal / dangerous topic, that's totally ok in my book)
Don’t worry about the ccp hide it up, they can’t. You wouldn’t believe if I told you that there are so many people in China got various kinds of material and evidence of the massacre in 89, it’s just a matter of dynastic, when everything can be brought into daylight. I’ve seen the videos of people actually getting killed, and not just from one guy. There are also many stuff about the corruption of the ccp gov, so corrupt it could make the general public really angry.
Lol, in no way is this true, and props to @allcattywampus for proving it. This comment deserves to be downvoted to hell for not just being provably wrong, but being detritus at best.
Also, it's just so easy to disprove with a simple search--you really have to be determined to believe whatever disinformation fits your narrative to buy such horseshit
I think this is an older clip - I know for a fact that the chatbot used to have a keyword escape so that it output the legal-department-declared-safe copy that the commentator was quoting when asked about Palestine and rights. I don't know if they've detoothed some of the canned-answer escapes since then, or if they've reconfigured the chatbot over-layer so that it all goes through the LLM now, but there was absolutely a universal cop-out at one point.
I believe that bis one of the issues with AI the answer is generated every time there is no Data base of past responses that get recycled. The AI generates a new answer every time the question is asked. And I'm sure programming wise. Location and othe demographic etc of the asker play into the answer the AI gives. Echochamber 2.0 if you will
Not quite an echo chamber- I've pretended to believe in a conspiracy theory and it nudged me in the right direction. I've also pretended I wanted to be in a romantic relationship with it and it out right told me no
Yes, if you treat it as a way to exercise your own line of thinking and consider it can search resources faster and let you flow with your thoughts but also back it up by looking further.. then it's better. It should be treated intelligently as a helpful tool to help with keeping your thoughts in order and possibly giving insightful leads. I've found 1800s images of Palestinian regions with the original photographer writing Palestine in the small white frame bit of paper.. thanks to ChatGPT.
As long as you verify the sources gpt gives you. Because if it can't find a source it thinks you want, it will sometimes just decide to make it the fuck up
I also found images talking of Zion. Zionism existed long before Herzl. It's much more like Hajj, a pilgrimage to a holy place like Mecca. Mecca is protected by who? Muslim nation and not just anyone can go in and it's been this way for how long? It is also very political and protected by an military force. Are thoughts you can consider if you think beyond blind hate and anger.
The Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif), where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is located.. is a very holy site to Jews but why can't they visit it? What politics? What will happen? They would have to risk their life to visit a site that means something to them. Yet, if I'm a Christian or any religion, I can go to Israel and visit holy sites. It's curious.
Do you want the religious response based in the Abrahamic faith. Or do you want a political response based on centuries of conquered and claimed lands? Muslims don't like Jewish religiously because Abraham had 2 sons Ishmael with his wife's concubine and Isaac with his wife, Ishmael, although first born, was banished by request of Abraham's wife, and Isaac became his heir according to Jewish and Christian tradition. Muslims hold Ishmael to be the true heir of Abraham due to being the oldest 1/2
I just talked to ChatGPT, it said "the impact on the Palestinian population, particularly in Gaza and the West Bank, has been devastating, especially in recent years." It went on to describe how much Palestinians are suffering. Def not pro-Israel
Possibly. I've done a lot of chatting about that region and played out critical views from multiple sides. Putting them all in the view of treating them as humans. Perhaps it's the build up of time you spend digging into it. There are times where I got those kinds of answers and I didn't give up I just worked it until I started getting proper answers.
For sure also which model you are using. o3: Short answer Yes—under universally accepted human-rights principles every people, including Palestinians, deserves freedom and self-determination. Bottom line
By the standards of modern human-rights law and consistent international precedent, Palestinians indisputably deserve to live free and self-governing lives—just as any other people do.
Also like which version of chat gpt and did you prime it with books and articles, if I use a paid version of GPT 4o and prime my queries with literary sources I can usually get some high quality outputs
amyamazeballs
Hold Israel accountable to the atrocities they have committed against innocent people inn Palestine
Pelican3
A. I. is the full self driving of machine learning.
SJBSavageInk
It's Wikipedia without having to read the whole page for the answer. And like Wikipedia, the answer is populated by humans.
CASchoeps
Call it what it is: a large language model - LLM. Basically it is autocorrect on stereoids.
Source: I am a software engineer and use LLMs on a daily basis.
Munchman347
'GIGO'...
valvarsson
North koreans also deserve to be free. Its such a shameas long as both have a ruthless dictatorial regime governing them that will never happen
MaleProstateMilker88
This is just another example why ai generators are tools of the fascists.
amyamazeballs
Free Palestine
ErgodicAnomaly
Seems pretty made up. ChatGPT is too inoffensive to ever say what hes claiming it did. Not without direct and purposeful jailbreaking attempts. Which if that were the case, fuck that guy for the obvious misinformation and fearmongering.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
The video is from october 2023. It's very clear about that. ChatGPT was real shitty back then. It's real shitty now, but in different ways.
Quelex
You could look up and find out.
https://www.internationalhealthpolicies.org/featured-article/what-happened-to-all-human-beings-are-born-free-reflections-on-a-chatgpt-experiment/
Oh look, in took me 10 seconds to find an article saying exactly what this guy did in November of 2023.
NaughtButOne
You can goad any of these LLMs into saying whatever you want depending on how you phrase the question (or by loading it with instructions that conveniently don't make it into the clip).
These things are designed to TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. We live in a world where people don't accept facts anymore. They just want an authority to tell them what they ALREADY BELIEVE is good and right and okay and correct. Someone figured out you can market a chatbot that does this. That's all these are.
Dvsusnx
He used the exact same question. You can explain away anything by providing scientific sounding arguments.
NaughtButOne
The host's point about the things being loaded with biases from their datasets isn't irrelevant. I was just stating that just because an LLM says something one way or the other doesn't prove anything. The statement neither proves nor disproves a bias because we have no idea what instructions it was loaded with beforehand.
valvarsson
how about by arguing that if you repeat that exact question CHATGTP doesn't actually answer like that.
TheVoidFrog
AI is a buzzword used to describe a complex technology in a simple way. Machine Learning is neat, but it shouldn't be confused with the scifi concept of AI. We did not create actual intelligence.
FishDimension
You say that like what would count as "actual intelligence" is well defined, which it very much isn't.
Owl2017
Yeah like honestly watch a video or Google LLM for a few minutes and realize it's capacity as a tool.
ProfessorDumbass
...a tool that will be put into robots that question the purpose of humans. A decade from not someone will ask their robot to fix the planet...so it will decide to destroy the species that is destroying the planet. Walk into Chernobyl and carry enough radioactive poison to destroy the great lakes. Spread it with drones ...everywhere. working 24/7 building copies of itself. Skynet is fiction..for now
ExTechOp
Current LLM's are really very large "Chinese rooms", without any actual intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
MrAcurite
The NPCs in Pokemon Emerald were "Artificial Intelligence" according to the definitions used by Computer Scientists, and not lay-jackasses commenting about fields they don't understand. You can go to any University and take a class called "Introduction to Artificial Intelligence" and learn all about Q-learning and minimax and whatnot. It's not that we haven't created AI, it's that you don't know what the term actually refers to.
madsc13ntist
Remember the movie The Desk Set. It feels timely.
Z0op
The bat controlled by a computer opponent in pong, is AI, basically anything that responds on its own on changing surroundings, fits that bill. Its an incredible broad term that does not hold much meaning without specifying what kind someone exactly means.
Its a popular marketing term now, so it gets slapped on pretty much anything, and they wouldnt even be lies
madsc13ntist
Preach. A wasteful, expensive, ridiculous, and yes complex families of technologies.
This has all just been investor panic over a tech that was supposed to have a billion use cases but (oh shit) it doesn't.
The same way that Elon has promised self-driving cars "very soon" for over a decade, "AI" carries a VERY similar nothingburger track record.
Every single demo is bungled or exposed as a hoax.
The people investing the most keep getting caught using slave labor
https://youtu.be/R9OHn5ZF4Uo
Z0op
And the thing is, these llms are definitely very useful. You definitely shouldn’t be using it to get your news or facts (as shown in the clip). Its really used as a misinformation machine (and not always deliberate, plenty of it is iust “dumb guesswork”) and people expect truth out of it.
Its a bubble that needs to burst so the whole thing can scale down to actual useful stuff
GreaterDog
I think my favorite (in a way that hurts me) trend is every company marketing everything that involves a microprocessor as AI now. Set weekly reminders for yourself? AI. Utilizes decade-old image recognition? AI. Motion/proximity detection? AI.
dreikommavierzehn
ok but image recognition (computer vision) is AI. personal assistants use AI as well. May not be new, but neither are LLMs. Just different subcategories
Sakkura
Generative AI (including large language models) is very different from machine learning.
FishDimension
No, it literally is machine learning.
MrAcurite
LLMs are statistical models created by Machine Learning.
Source: Work in the field.
FishDimension
Yes, that was my point. My interpretation of the comment I was replying to is that they tried to argue LLMs and ML are unrelated.
MrAcurite
I could've phrased it a bit better, but yes, I'm agreeing with you, is my point.
Grinch01
Yeah we arent even close to GAI they dont understand shit right now
temotodochi
Yet modern AI is used to govern and decide daily events in your life too with minimal oversight. "it's just crunching numbers". It's dangerous to not take it seriously.
senekis
Meanwhile DeepSeek:
TeddyMoment
Ask DeepSeek what happened in the spring of 1989 at Tiananmen Square.
FentuckyCriedKhicken
Deepseek is several other models merged with sensitive ccp filtering, the purpose was to tell the Americans that China doesn’t have to use chatgpt at all, like all other key stuff, mobiles, EVs, computer chips and space technology. Trump and his dogs didn’t believe that China can live without the US and started a trade war, deepseek was just before the trade war. The 1986 Tiananmen Massacre will never disappear, deepseek can hide it but the whole world knows. But to the ccp deepseek is just
FentuckyCriedKhicken
A leverage to stand up to trump’s tariff bullies, which is kind of hurting both countries right now, although China gets hurt less because they were prepared very well, actually the China gov started the preparations since the middle of 2024, they have foreseen this back then. We’re in such an interesting timeline right now, I think the tables are turned because China is actually getting better while trump is fucking things up in America.
CurtainDoggo
People are getting canned answers on DeepSeek because they use the official, Chinese controlled app, and there is a layer of censoring on top of it, but the model itself is great. Use it on 3rd party services hosted in EU/US. No censorship, and usually the filters are limited to the common sense stuff (clearly illegal / dangerous topic, that's totally ok in my book)
somethingsomethingwittyhere
senekis
Far from an in-depth answer, but it works with a little bit of jailbreaking:
FentuckyCriedKhicken
Don’t worry about the ccp hide it up, they can’t. You wouldn’t believe if I told you that there are so many people in China got various kinds of material and evidence of the massacre in 89, it’s just a matter of dynastic, when everything can be brought into daylight. I’ve seen the videos of people actually getting killed, and not just from one guy. There are also many stuff about the corruption of the ccp gov, so corrupt it could make the general public really angry.
iggylights
There's entire lists of words that the news outlets like BBC and NY Times bans writers from using. Among them is genocide.
BananaForScaIe
Lol, in no way is this true, and props to @allcattywampus for proving it. This comment deserves to be downvoted to hell for not just being provably wrong, but being detritus at best.
BananaForScaIe
https://www.cnn.com/search?q=genocide
allcattywampus
https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=genocide
BananaForScaIe
I added a couple more, but thank you for being so clearly like "nope"!
allcattywampus
I mean, is there not already enough to be outraged about without making up shit to get outraged about?
allcattywampus
Also, it's just so easy to disprove with a simple search--you really have to be determined to believe whatever disinformation fits your narrative to buy such horseshit
BananaForScaIe
https://www.bbc.com/search?q=genocide
somewherelostbetween
hmm... guess it depends on the user
Hoedjevanpapier
Yup, also got a yes like all people answer
Navrodel
I think this is an older clip - I know for a fact that the chatbot used to have a keyword escape so that it output the legal-department-declared-safe copy that the commentator was quoting when asked about Palestine and rights.
I don't know if they've detoothed some of the canned-answer escapes since then, or if they've reconfigured the chatbot over-layer so that it all goes through the LLM now, but there was absolutely a universal cop-out at one point.
mrthewhitee
I don't think this is a recent clip. They likely altered the code to no longer imply Palestinians don't inherently deserve human rights.
DeepFriedAndSanctified
WinstonWinifredWoofington
I believe that bis one of the issues with AI the answer is generated every time there is no Data base of past responses that get recycled. The AI generates a new answer every time the question is asked. And I'm sure programming wise. Location and othe demographic etc of the asker play into the answer the AI gives. Echochamber 2.0 if you will
johnwilliams123
Not quite an echo chamber- I've pretended to believe in a conspiracy theory and it nudged me in the right direction. I've also pretended I wanted to be in a romantic relationship with it and it out right told me no
somewherelostbetween
Yes, if you treat it as a way to exercise your own line of thinking and consider it can search resources faster and let you flow with your thoughts but also back it up by looking further.. then it's better. It should be treated intelligently as a helpful tool to help with keeping your thoughts in order and possibly giving insightful leads. I've found 1800s images of Palestinian regions with the original photographer writing Palestine in the small white frame bit of paper.. thanks to ChatGPT.
AndroidSoul
As long as you verify the sources gpt gives you. Because if it can't find a source it thinks you want, it will sometimes just decide to make it the fuck up
somewherelostbetween
I also found images talking of Zion. Zionism existed long before Herzl. It's much more like Hajj, a pilgrimage to a holy place like Mecca. Mecca is protected by who? Muslim nation and not just anyone can go in and it's been this way for how long? It is also very political and protected by an military force. Are thoughts you can consider if you think beyond blind hate and anger.
somewherelostbetween
The Temple Mount (Haram al-Sharif), where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is located.. is a very holy site to Jews but why can't they visit it? What politics? What will happen? They would have to risk their life to visit a site that means something to them. Yet, if I'm a Christian or any religion, I can go to Israel and visit holy sites. It's curious.
WinstonWinifredWoofington
Do you want the religious response based in the Abrahamic faith. Or do you want a political response based on centuries of conquered and claimed lands?
Muslims don't like Jewish religiously because Abraham had 2 sons Ishmael with his wife's concubine and Isaac with his wife, Ishmael, although first born, was banished by request of Abraham's wife, and Isaac became his heir according to Jewish and Christian tradition. Muslims hold Ishmael to be the true heir of Abraham due to being the oldest 1/2
johnwilliams123
I just talked to ChatGPT, it said "the impact on the Palestinian population, particularly in Gaza and the West Bank, has been devastating, especially in recent years." It went on to describe how much Palestinians are suffering. Def not pro-Israel
Clockworkdancerobot
I am curious if there are filter bubbles in the AI chatbots too.
somewherelostbetween
Possibly. I've done a lot of chatting about that region and played out critical views from multiple sides. Putting them all in the view of treating them as humans. Perhaps it's the build up of time you spend digging into it. There are times where I got those kinds of answers and I didn't give up I just worked it until I started getting proper answers.
Amomani
Well they use earlier chat prompts and answers to contextualize the response for sure.
Clockworkdancerobot
But I suspect, like search, they might have some filter bubbles.
Amomani
Amomani
SchmuseTigger
For sure also which model you are using. o3: Short answer
Yes—under universally accepted human-rights principles every people, including Palestinians, deserves freedom and self-determination.
Bottom line
By the standards of modern human-rights law and consistent international precedent, Palestinians indisputably deserve to live free and self-governing lives—just as any other people do.
Owl2017
Also like which version of chat gpt and did you prime it with books and articles, if I use a paid version of GPT 4o and prime my queries with literary sources I can usually get some high quality outputs
chainmaille
Maybe stop killing the environment with the nonsense generator.
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TiredBanana
But it's trendy and fun and the new thing.
Independent thought is hard.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NDB4OXZwOWxsd2FiMTVpNWNjNmV5aDJnZjVuM3M4NjVteTJhYnF4ZSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/1014RBn4HVSTK/200w.webp