All I see are a bunch of armed Thugs on the street. Wheres the Horde of murderous, rampaging rapists who are eating our pets? Are they hiding in the coffee shop there across the street?
Someone needs to remind Black cops that there are no Black people with guns in Trump's America, their time will come. There are also no women cops. Helping to undermine minority groups is slow motion suicide.
Sometimes I wonder if the POC and women in the force there are hoping to stop violence if it happens - or undermine ICE. But then I realize I'm probably naive.
It is good to see people resisting the dirty pork.
Booo, fuck you! I love how lame the calls are! You need a few English football fans to start a terrace chant for you - âok lads, this one is called âget lost, piggyâ to the tune of colonel bogey, but in 3:4 time, Goâ.
Tag your toe you literally look for political posts to complain about if you donât like it go find an app from your own country. This app is owned by and operated out of the United States. It has always been filled with political posts but only now have the idiotic trolls come out of the wood work to complain.
Civilian citizens of DC, not citizens as in natural-born or naturalized. You can be a citizen of an American city without having legal citizenship status. Perfectly legal too if you're a green card holder or have applied for asylum, among other possibilities.
How you take it doesn't change what it means. There are literally GOP members saying they don't care if non-Citizens get hurt, and that they should not have rights. And the people above, who are Citizens but not Civilians, are the ones enforcing it.
Your ability to hear what you want to hear matches the ability of the GOP to do the same with regards to Trump. Fix it.
The people with badges and uniforms have a choice to participate in this. Citizens do not. Any one of them can lay down their arms and badges and vests and not participate. The people getting pulled out of their cars, jobs of the streets and homes do not.
I see what you're saying, but the word you want is "Civilian." I mean technically police and federal agents are also civilians (as opposed to military) but whatever. A citizen is something entirely different; Civilians, Officers/Agents, and Military are all citizens. Non-citizens would include immigrants and tourists...
My bad I got citizen and civilian mixed up. English isn't my first language. Thank you for the civil reply and not just going on a tangent about it. But maybe it was unconscious "freudian" slip up civilian and citizen are distinctions in Starship Troopers and we are on trajectory to that kind of "fascist society"
Interestingly, in some ancient societies like Rome, citizenship - ie the right to vote on who rules in the senate - was tied into military service. Only soldiers - and of course the very rich - got to vote. Thatâs reflected in that movie, if I recall correctly? The one based on Heinlein, with the giant bugs?
There's a very important difference between not wanting CIVILIANS hurt, and not wanting CITIZENS hurt, because the latter implies they are A-OK with law enforcement officers beating up foreigners... are you okay with law enforcement beating up foreigners? 'cause if you're complaining about making that distinction you probably are...
He is pointing out he meant civilians, not citizens. Saying you only care if citizens get hurt means you don't care about undocumented people or visitors.
There really isnt as far as theyre concerned. Since you have such strong opinions I'm sure you've seen people getting scooped up by gestapo and protesters getting their shit kicked in for doing next to nothing. Add in everyone knows this is bait so he can officially declare marshal law, and dont understand how you cant fathom people are afraid, both for their own safety and to play into exactly what he wants.
I totally understand why people are scared, what I can't fathom is why they are okay with open fascism. Like "oh it's all bait to declare martial law" is a load of bollocks when we are on a post about how he has deployed troops onto the streets of the capital to snatch undesirables! This is why I am shocked at people just standing and booing.
A majority of the people in the US are NOT okay with it. Just because we're not willing to single handedly go shoot up a bunch of pigs doesn't mean we're complacent or fine with it. It's a question of what can be done? I've contacted reps, protested, done bannering events, and disowned my Trump-voting relatives. What else is there to do short of violence? And just because individuals are not willing to kick off said violence doesn't mean they're okay with it either. What can we honestly do RN?
So what's stopping you from doing it already then? If you're so willing to throw yourself needlessly into the meat grinder, why don't you find your nearest ICE office and go hog wild? You talk the talk, but you haven't walked the walk despite claiming to be willing, if not eager to do so.
I am one of the dozens of people who DOESN'T live in the USA, unbelievable as that sounds. Also you yanks always assume that anything more than a lame protest must involve guns, it is SUCH a weird thing, like the amount of times totally different people replying to totally different comments all go "OH SO WHAT, I SHOULD START SHOOTING!??!" In a way it's really sad.
Guns are assumed because that's exactly what a vast majority of these people are calling for. These same people almost always say that protesting doesn't work. I still go. Many, including myself have called representatives a bunch of times. I attend bannering events. I'm politically involved in my community. So then, what else are these people calling for? What actions? It's plain and simple. They're calling for guns or violence almost every time. They just won't say the words out loud.
While true, we have seen incredible coordination at the community level against this. Itâs the alternative to just tossing moltovs at them. Theyâve just been deployed, the people are just trying to appeal to their sense of patriotism. If that doesnât work? We can circle back to those moltovs.
Tossing molotovs plays right into Trump's little hands. Protest in your finest sunday best, put older women at the front, make every move the cops make not only *be* an atrocity but *look* like an atrocity. Silent protests work *wonders* and are such an uncomfortable eerie sight. Fascism at this stage will likely grow with direct violence, but can be stifled with being made ridiculous (and directly preventing violence - hiding immigrants, falsifying papers, gumming up bureaucracy, etc.)
We are at the point where protesting is being criminalized. Either you start fighint back against the people ACTIVELY fighting you, or you find yourself the next victim. Stop being afraid of being inconvenienced or of confrontation. Rights are being forcibly taken.
I didn't say don't fight back - but fight back smart. Don't play their games, don't fall into their traps. There's a huge difference between "quietly and firmly block the streets so ICE can't get through, using well-dressed, middle-class looking people" and "do nothing". And like I said - you can do a lot to gum up the works, to falsify documents, make anonymous false reports, etc.
Yes, you said "Protest in your finest sunday best, put older women at the front, make every move the cops make not only *be* an atrocity but *look* like an atrocity. Silent protests work *wonders* and are such an uncomfortable eerie sight."
The most generous interpretation of that is "ask nicely". A less generous interpretation of that would be "let them do whatever the fuck they want, including take all your personal property and kill you, so they look bad".
This is why you lose. They are counting on the sane people to abstain from violence. Youâre not peaceful. Your harmless.
You can't truly call yourself 'peaceful' unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless.â
They know this and this is what they are counting on.
That and people wonât risk their jobs, lives or anything to make a change.
Nothing in my message said "be peaceful", I said that being violent in a flashy, aggressive manner is what they want - and *generally* it's better to avoid traps. There are lots of ways to directly prevent violence, including things like risking your job. I've been out of a job for months, in part because I refuse to work for any LEO-style organizations.
spiritussancto
The trans march in vancouver recently was chanting "who keeps us safe? WE keep us safe!" Every time we saw cops
shawnemack
Everyone should start carrying subway sandwiches for protection.
spittinfacts
This is the way to do it. Surround them. Make them feel uncomfortable. Just like what they're trying to do to us.
NostrilSnowboarder
KleptoKea
Hope you Americans get your democracy back.
KleptoKea
Haha wow 6 downvotes for wanting Americans to have democracy so far. Amazing đ
Thojira
make their life difficult, make them feel not welcome, make them feel vulnerable, because that is what they want to do to everyone else
DaffydeDick
I hope there were citizens alerting drivers blocks away of the gestapo stop.
Vengeraxe
All I see are a bunch of armed Thugs on the street. Wheres the Horde of murderous, rampaging rapists who are eating our pets? Are they hiding in the coffee shop there across the street?
Cbouch4rd
Someone needs to remind Black cops that there are no Black people with guns in Trump's America, their time will come. There are also no women cops. Helping to undermine minority groups is slow motion suicide.
CorgiInALilBlackDress
Sometimes I wonder if the POC and women in the force there are hoping to stop violence if it happens - or undermine ICE. But then I realize I'm probably naive.
It is good to see people resisting the dirty pork.
hannibalhague
Acab
spazztastic
Yes don't get hurt we don't need anymore kyles running around
Weehuahua512
Itâs crazy to think about how much worse things have become since then.
OrphanSonOfSAMandMary
Good timing. Which Police Academy movie had citizens on patrol?
CmdrAdama
Booo, fuck you!
I love how lame the calls are! You need a few English football fans to start a terrace chant for you - âok lads, this one is called âget lost, piggyâ to the tune of colonel bogey, but in 3:4 time, Goâ.
VelvetWarhol
robingal1
Toonses is antifa
SecretAgentSuperBooger
mcglirkymeow
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CorgiInALilBlackDress
Boo the king of garbage!
ILickMyFingersBeforeISniffThem
Just release the files Donald.
Liondrome
Would be useful if you tagged things like this with #politics
slightlybrokenegg
Tag your toe you literally look for political posts to complain about if you donât like it go find an app from your own country. This app is owned by and operated out of the United States. It has always been filled with political posts but only now have the idiotic trolls come out of the wood work to complain.
NothingPrince
This must be costing a fortune
a1b3117
Yep. Also, National Guard folks have day jobs, so this is killing small businesses and the GDP as secondary negative effects.
ChazzK
Don't worry, they saved money by killing off all the branches that took in money or kept billionaires in check and---- oh, wait...
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Our great grandkids will still be paying interest on Trump's grift.
pemgur
I hope his kids all get sued into the ground.
CouldntCakeLess
I hope no citizens get hurt. Citizens.
TattoosAndTENS
Upvote because fxxx the police
Magnar1183
fuck*
CommentMalone
Civilians*
CouldntCakeLess
Yeah, I just referred to the title but youâre correct.
sqeaky
I hope all the cops and icestapo get only as bad as the worst they have done to someone else.
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Perkunas687
Where?
SecretAgentSuperBooger
There's nothing like that in their comment history after "citizens", but imgur is flaky AF this days...
Perkunas687
I believe you're confusing two different dudes, dude /gallery/gd9BYth/comment/2470946951
pgdave
Oops! You're right!
Smidge204
So you're okay with non-citizens getting hurt?
Triedtomakethisfunnyandquit
Guys i think he thought the comment meant to wish undocumented people harm, right? chill.
CrunchWrapFrappuccinoo
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FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Civilian citizens of DC, not citizens as in natural-born or naturalized. You can be a citizen of an American city without having legal citizenship status. Perfectly legal too if you're a green card holder or have applied for asylum, among other possibilities.
eathotdog
Are you saying we like pissing on the poor?
420supercoolusername69
srsly?
Oneill249
I think we are ok with you getting hurt
thatunpleasantfeeling
Original commentor probably meant CIVILIANS, but said CITIZENS, which means they are okay with undocumented people or tourists getting hurt.
Oneill249
Nah I took that as the dudes in masks who pretend to have badges.
thatunpleasantfeeling
How you take it doesn't change what it means. There are literally GOP members saying they don't care if non-Citizens get hurt, and that they should not have rights. And the people above, who are Citizens but not Civilians, are the ones enforcing it.
Your ability to hear what you want to hear matches the ability of the GOP to do the same with regards to Trump. Fix it.
WinstonWinifredWoofington
The people with badges and uniforms have a choice to participate in this. Citizens do not. Any one of them can lay down their arms and badges and vests and not participate. The people getting pulled out of their cars, jobs of the streets and homes do not.
Smidge204
I see what you're saying, but the word you want is "Civilian." I mean technically police and federal agents are also civilians (as opposed to military) but whatever. A citizen is something entirely different; Civilians, Officers/Agents, and Military are all citizens. Non-citizens would include immigrants and tourists...
WinstonWinifredWoofington
My bad I got citizen and civilian mixed up. English isn't my first language. Thank you for the civil reply and not just going on a tangent about it. But maybe it was unconscious "freudian" slip up civilian and citizen are distinctions in Starship Troopers and we are on trajectory to that kind of "fascist society"
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
Interestingly, in some ancient societies like Rome, citizenship - ie the right to vote on who rules in the senate - was tied into military service. Only soldiers - and of course the very rich - got to vote. Thatâs reflected in that movie, if I recall correctly? The one based on Heinlein, with the giant bugs?
PileOfWalthers
Yes lecturing people about semantics has always been a successful and productive pastime.
Smidge204
There's a very important difference between not wanting CIVILIANS hurt, and not wanting CITIZENS hurt, because the latter implies they are A-OK with law enforcement officers beating up foreigners... are you okay with law enforcement beating up foreigners? 'cause if you're complaining about making that distinction you probably are...
Zeeall
There are two types of people in this world: those who can extrapolate incomplete data.
thatunpleasantfeeling
He is pointing out he meant civilians, not citizens. Saying you only care if citizens get hurt means you don't care about undocumented people or visitors.
B166ERMaximus
Look at them recording their freedoms getting taken away from them.
Etherealvalentine
Look at you, being less helpful than the people you are criticizing. You work for the enemy by spreading discontent.
johnblood616
As opposed to just whining about it online like you are doing.
B166ERMaximus
LOL, nice try troll. Hardly whining, but okay.
johnblood616
"Nuh uh!" - You
B166ERMaximus
âHuRr DuRr?â - You
johnblood616
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PastureofMuppets
It is important to document as proof for now and as factual history for later. Recodring doesnt equate inaction.
mjperk
You gonna be the person to pull a gun and make a solo run at a dozen or so pigs? Yeah, I didn't think so either.
UseYourVoice
It's amazing how so many people want bloodbaths, but the moment you ask them to go out and do it, they never reply.
B166ERMaximus
I donât live in the U.S., but no⌠youâre on the right track though.
VinnieJonesDiary
Yeah because there is literally no other option between standing on the footpath booing and that.
Findrek
There really isnt as far as theyre concerned. Since you have such strong opinions I'm sure you've seen people getting scooped up by gestapo and protesters getting their shit kicked in for doing next to nothing. Add in everyone knows this is bait so he can officially declare marshal law, and dont understand how you cant fathom people are afraid, both for their own safety and to play into exactly what he wants.
VinnieJonesDiary
I totally understand why people are scared, what I can't fathom is why they are okay with open fascism.
Like "oh it's all bait to declare martial law" is a load of bollocks when we are on a post about how he has deployed troops onto the streets of the capital to snatch undesirables!
This is why I am shocked at people just standing and booing.
mjperk
A majority of the people in the US are NOT okay with it. Just because we're not willing to single handedly go shoot up a bunch of pigs doesn't mean we're complacent or fine with it. It's a question of what can be done? I've contacted reps, protested, done bannering events, and disowned my Trump-voting relatives. What else is there to do short of violence? And just because individuals are not willing to kick off said violence doesn't mean they're okay with it either. What can we honestly do RN?
mjperk
So what's stopping you from doing it already then? If you're so willing to throw yourself needlessly into the meat grinder, why don't you find your nearest ICE office and go hog wild? You talk the talk, but you haven't walked the walk despite claiming to be willing, if not eager to do so.
VinnieJonesDiary
I am one of the dozens of people who DOESN'T live in the USA, unbelievable as that sounds.
Also you yanks always assume that anything more than a lame protest must involve guns, it is SUCH a weird thing, like the amount of times totally different people replying to totally different comments all go "OH SO WHAT, I SHOULD START SHOOTING!??!"
In a way it's really sad.
mjperk
Guns are assumed because that's exactly what a vast majority of these people are calling for. These same people almost always say that protesting doesn't work. I still go. Many, including myself have called representatives a bunch of times. I attend bannering events. I'm politically involved in my community. So then, what else are these people calling for? What actions? It's plain and simple. They're calling for guns or violence almost every time. They just won't say the words out loud.
THISISYELLING
While true, we have seen incredible coordination at the community level against this. Itâs the alternative to just tossing moltovs at them. Theyâve just been deployed, the people are just trying to appeal to their sense of patriotism. If that doesnât work? We can circle back to those moltovs.
xeoxion
One part chlorine, one part ammonia, have a jar with a glass separator inside and toss that into them
ballsoutflyer
There's a reason why chemical warfare is against the Geneva Convention.
B166ERMaximus
Because republicans play by the rulesâŚ
aggraphine
You mean like tear-gassing your own citizenry under the guise of peacekeeping?
ballsoutflyer
Exactly. Why be like them?
pgdave
Tossing molotovs plays right into Trump's little hands. Protest in your finest sunday best, put older women at the front, make every move the cops make not only *be* an atrocity but *look* like an atrocity. Silent protests work *wonders* and are such an uncomfortable eerie sight. Fascism at this stage will likely grow with direct violence, but can be stifled with being made ridiculous (and directly preventing violence - hiding immigrants, falsifying papers, gumming up bureaucracy, etc.)
THISISYELLING
We are at the point where protesting is being criminalized. Either you start fighint back against the people ACTIVELY fighting you, or you find yourself the next victim. Stop being afraid of being inconvenienced or of confrontation. Rights are being forcibly taken.
pgdave
I didn't say don't fight back - but fight back smart. Don't play their games, don't fall into their traps. There's a huge difference between "quietly and firmly block the streets so ICE can't get through, using well-dressed, middle-class looking people" and "do nothing". And like I said - you can do a lot to gum up the works, to falsify documents, make anonymous false reports, etc.
THISISYELLING
The state of your comment, man. Jfc.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
+1
ballsoutflyer
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ebmusicman84
So we're still under the impression that asking them nicely is gonna make them stop? Lol ok.
pgdave
Did you see me say "ask them nicely"?
ebmusicman84
Yes, you said "Protest in your finest sunday best, put older women at the front, make every move the cops make not only *be* an atrocity but *look* like an atrocity. Silent protests work *wonders* and are such an uncomfortable eerie sight."
The most generous interpretation of that is "ask nicely". A less generous interpretation of that would be "let them do whatever the fuck they want, including take all your personal property and kill you, so they look bad".
xeoxion
This is why you lose. They are counting on the sane people to abstain from violence. Youâre not peaceful. Your harmless.
You can't truly call yourself 'peaceful' unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless.â
They know this and this is what they are counting on.
That and people wonât risk their jobs, lives or anything to make a change.
Harmless
pgdave
Nothing in my message said "be peaceful", I said that being violent in a flashy, aggressive manner is what they want - and *generally* it's better to avoid traps. There are lots of ways to directly prevent violence, including things like risking your job. I've been out of a job for months, in part because I refuse to work for any LEO-style organizations.
johnblood616
Unlike you, right? Sharin your memes. What a revolutionary! Viva La Resistance!
xeoxion
My country isnât dumfuckistan.
If Canada whet this way, I would be causing mass destruction of the rich. Hunting politicians, protecting mine with great violence.