Simone has done so much good. Larry Nassar isn't able to hurt young children anymore, and it is in large part due to her (and her influence, of course). She risked her reputation to take him down. Don't drag her in a misleading headline.
The daily fail does articles which do pass as journalism. HOWEVER it gets most of its traffic from ragebait. It's a trap whenever they get linked because you need to read it just to check if its a pile of crap or an honest article. Some other news orgs you can have more faith in.
It's called a Lie of Omission. Facts are but components of the Truth. When one deliberately states an incomplete set of facts in order to deceptively portray a false narrative, they have perpetrated a Lie of Omission.
Not saying they should. It's just funny that we have plenty of examples of pretty much every outlet blatantly lying at some point, but then give them a pass when they say something we like.
Petty? Yes. But is he 'Deadly? ????' In all seriousness though, who the Hell puts that on their list of journalistic qualifications? If I were thinking about hiring that person, I'd ask them if their kid had tampered with their resume.
Idk, I think that anyone who wants to be placed on a pedestal deserves a little more scrutiny than the average Joe. If you’re a self proclaimed role model, and you have individuals who look up to you as an example of “what to do”, your actions deserve a look at every now and then. Granted, still none of our business, but I can see why something like this would matter if it were true.
My mom surrendered custody of me instead of getting a restraining order against her boyfriend who sexually abused me. I would park like this outside her trailer then treat my little sister to whatever the fuck she wants
My mother had it made by the time she was 65 - a condo that was paid for, a car, and her mother left her money when she died as well as a pension. My mom pissed it all away, and ended up having to get a new mortgage at 70, and work to make ends meet. I refused to support her financially - no one is going to pay for my house or retirement. I have to look after me first. Sorry, but you had your opportunity. I have to make my own.
Big cities aren't bad and next to no taxes. I'm seriously considering moving to the US because of how much Canadian government takes from my income. But then I remember, paying more taxes just means I'm earning more, and more money won't make me much happier.
Washington state has no income tax and is much more pleasant. As does Montana and Wyoming if you prefer more rural/wild but beautiful states. And the property tax in Texas is astronomical. Of course, Wyoming and Texas also have massive budget shortfalls because of their tax structure. And, no public healthcare.
Having been there many times, no. It's not as Republican, but it is overcrowded in the big cities, grossly hot and humid, and flat. And, while the youth might be more liberal, I have never met more phony hustlers than in Houston. And the downtown in San Antonio is a dump. Good restaurants are about all the cities have going for them. There are some beautiful places and wonderful people in Texas, but few and far between.
Your brief visits are about as informative as expected. I hope you are summarily ignored. There is so much beauty in Texas despite the governmental issues it has. It's unfortunate people are so interested in focusing on negativity when they could just as easily do the opposite or at least be honest, unlike you, about their ignorance.
And here comes the rest of them. Oh well, I asked for it. A state is only as commendable as its alignment with your political party, around here. I suppose the words of a 20 year, blue voting resident are just contrarianism.
The article isn't actually bad. It details how her mom abandoned her in fair detail. The headline is sensationalized, but the article itself is interesting. The mom talks about her addiction and struggles. The moms main plea isn't for money, it's to ask for a chance for forgiveness. It's a tough read. The headline doesn't do it justice.
I mean thats her business not the worlds. If Simone doesn't forgive her or doesn't want her in her life, thats her choice and not fair for the world to speculate on what she should do.
Very few, if any, publications have the writers of articles choose the headline. Headlines are chosen by someone else, who may or may not have read the article in question. Some people think this is an exceptionally stupid practice, because it is.
So you could see it as the daily mail used clickbait ane completely betrayed the mother because she isn't asking for handouts... She just wants to reconnect with her daughter (regardless of how you feel about that). The headline frames it as if to say "obviously she wants hlundouts"
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Simone has her reasons for not speaking to her and trust that she knows what is best for herself and her life. She owes nothing to her mother. Her mother's use of the media to try to reach her is disgusting and I will not support it.
- signed, an adult estranged from her parent for good reason.
Also, talk is dheap. if you want forgiveness, you need to DO something that you've changed. But even then in this situation, it's hard to tell sincere repentance from "playing to the cameras for a paycheck"
"The 52-year-old, who was forced to give up her children due to her long-running battle with drugs and alcohol, is now sober but has struggled financially, living in the same corner red-brick row house in the crime-ridden neighborhood of Franklinton" Getting sober is a change
pretty much. when bad companies go "but we're a family!" guilt trip, I all but laugh "bitch please. I don't like my existing family? what makes you think I want this dysfunctional mob of rabid weasels as a second one?"
Place I currently work literally is a family, half the office staff have the same last name and they're all cousins and siblings and aunts and uncles and shit, it's kinda funny but also kinda weird. The owner hired one 25 years ago and the rest have just slowly showed up. They're chill, so it's like going to your friend's house when his family is in town, but they also have their decades old clique that you'll never quite fit into cause you're not *one of them*.
Yea, but 80% of the twitter readers aren't going to click on the article. They'll just read the headline and think that's all there is to the story. And DM absolutely knows that. That's why they wrote the headline that way.
That’s what it takes to survive in an capitalist industry though. When your revenue stream is dominated by ad dollars and not subscribers, you’ll crank out as much clickbait as possible. It sucks, because I’d gladly cancel any streaming service for a handful of good publications. My local paper is only $7.99 a month and it’s great, but they obviously can’t cover national events.
My opinion? Nah. You want forgiveness now that your kid is famous and rich, if she weren't Literally The Best Gymnast In The World you wouldn't give a shit. I am, however, also very jaded.
I have no opinion about this whatsoever. If Biles wants to forgive her and have a relationship with her, that's fine. If she wants to never see her for as long as she lives, also fine. This kind of thing is entirely personal.
Obviously. I "give a shit" about the children I had to give up for adoption because I knew I wasn't fit due to addiction. The only thing difference between me and her is I did it at Birth and she did it after she tried and couldn't hack it or get sober at that time so at least she tried
I think you did better. You owned your situation, didn't delude yourself into thinking becoming a parent would be the magic motivator to instantly sober up. You didn't make it the baby's responsibility to make you get your life together. You were realistic and obviously loved your baby more than yourself, which is far better than risking the chance of traumatizing a kid while trying.
It's obviously Simones decision to make. That being said, Simone has a sibling, who isn't rich, and the mother rebuilt that relationship. Might help if you read the article before smearing the mother.
This was was one of her comments in the interview: "Of course, I would accept her help," Shanon said. "She hasn't [offered] it so far. I'm here. I'm okay”
Did you read the whole thing? Doesn't seem like it. You left out that she was asked right before that if she'd accept help. You also left out this: "And she has told of her sadness that, to this day, she has no part in major life events such as Simone's wedding last year to Owens.
She said: 'I would like to make amends with Simone personally – I'm just waiting for her and Adria. I speak to Adria more than I speak to Simone.
'I would just ask her to forgive me. Can we move forward? "
Why would she even agree to an interview about it? I don't trust people that put personal family business into the media. Just like Megan Markles family that came out of the woodwork. Or Mariah Careys sister that had addiction issues. Its easy to hear one side of the story and pity someone. If someone told me they don't want to speak to me or made no effort to be apart of my life and they suddenly became famous, I wouldn't even fathom going to media to talk about them.
I never said she was a good person. I just said the headline, and how she's being portrayed here, don't match what's actually on the article. Plenty of people here are judging her just on the headline clearly. Which is unfortunate. Please read articles, and not just the headline. May not change your opinion, but it's clear some aren't reading articles.
Colin Kaepernick's birth mother didn't make any real effort to ask for forgiveness for putting him up for adoption until after he joined the NFL either, so even if she isn't actively trying to get money, I can't help put to think she's reaching out hoping maybe being forgiven would lead to Simone helping her financially. Ultimately, it's up to Simone to decide what she wants to do, so no need to judge either way.
Sure. But if you actually read the article, you'll see she's made a relationship with her other child, who isn't rich. I really wish people would read the article before commenting. It's not that long.
I don't know what your situation is but as a birth mother it just brings me such pain to hear stuff like this I'm so lucky both of my boys want to be in my life. The only thing I ever think is how lucky am I that my kids have such a big loving supporting family. If your mom's never did anything purposely to hurt you other than give you up for adoption please give her a chance it's probably tears her up inside
Doesn't matter if its purposeful or not. Hurt is hurt. And if someone choses not to have someone in their life, that is their choice. Sometimes the consequence of a mistake is not getting closure from making it.
Giving a child up for adoption can be done out of love. I'd be much more willing to forgive that than a lot of the everyday abuse some parents put their kids through.
Same. Divorce is another one that kids tend to hold against their parents - I would rather have been put up for adoption or at minimum had them divorce so I only had to deal with my mom. When other people's nightmares are your best case, there's a problem.
It's a nice thought, but some biological parents had no interest in being parents in the first place. Also, plenty of loving, caring, responsible parents end up hurting their kids in some way. Life is going to be hard in it's own ways for everyone, everyone has a right to handle their feelings how they see fit, and everyone is responsible for their actions and the impacts they have on their surroundings.
My dad wronged my family pretty good growing up. One day I decided to truly forgive him. Not because he changed. Not because he deserved it. Not because he asked. Carrying resentment and anger against him wasn't doing anything to him, but only to me and my soul. Our relationship isn't perfect, but I don't feel that blood vessel tightening resentment and anger anymore when I think of or talk to him. I'm not sure forgiveness and grace is ever earned. Maybe only gifted
What? No. Fuck that. Giving birth doesnt give anyone the right to be a piece of shit, ruin someones chidhood and still get forgiveness. My father can rot in hell and I will never forgive him, ever. How about being a decent person so you dont NEED forgiveness, because a child is the literal definition of innocence so needing to be forgiven by them means you are just shit inside.
cabbageisdelicious
Simone has done so much good. Larry Nassar isn't able to hurt young children anymore, and it is in large part due to her (and her influence, of course). She risked her reputation to take him down. Don't drag her in a misleading headline.
hellvis
I prefer articles by Trent Crimm - The Independent.
gingen
Evolved into Trent Crimm - Independent.
Blakeadelic
“Literally you.” <3
allthis4nothing
It's called “no contact” for a reason, Daily Fail!
freakdiablo
Since this is reported in the Daily Fail, I now doubt that Biles actually exists...
DuineSgith
Unitedite
Monkey Dust! What a show that was.
saunterr44
Birth mother was absent, grampa raised this wonderful girl.
Some mothers deserve their fate. That's the case here
VodkaReindeer
To be fair, their article also says that. It's just clickbait. https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1824485404248035840
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Fuck Rangerover (and all huge cars), but she is under no obligation to help a mother who abandoned her.
Targe0
So a dead beat mother gets nothing from a Daughter who found success through her own efforts, despite being abandoned.
cabbageisdelicious
A travesty! /s
Frogblender
The daily fail does articles which do pass as journalism. HOWEVER it gets most of its traffic from ragebait. It's a trap whenever they get linked because you need to read it just to check if its a pile of crap or an honest article. Some other news orgs you can have more faith in.
dbox
Whoops, sorry, I lack any opinion on her personal relationships.
IAlwaysUpvoteLowBudgetCreativeWork
Medias throwing information out of context to distort the facts? Really? LoL.
DJThuglifeSupreme
MadCat221
It's called a Lie of Omission. Facts are but components of the Truth. When one deliberately states an incomplete set of facts in order to deceptively portray a false narrative, they have perpetrated a Lie of Omission.
akrabbim
But they're touted as bastions of truth and unbiased reporting when they say something people like.
Cptbluebeard7
Anyone who thinks the Daily Mail is, or ever was, a bastian of truth shouldn't be trusted with anything themselves.
akrabbim
Not saying they should. It's just funny that we have plenty of examples of pretty much every outlet blatantly lying at some point, but then give them a pass when they say something we like.
Bex316
Any attention you give the Daily Mail is bad.
LifeIsADanceOfMinds
Public source - these are the people who write this... (expletive redacted): https://journalists.feedspot.com/daily_mail_journalists/
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
The journalists don’t write the headline, their editors do.
malachilenomade
O.....MG... some of that Bio info is.... I think Godzilla got cancer reading some of that.
ChiliBeef
One of them has "black belt". Like, could you be any more petty?
NunyaBNess1
Petty? Yes. But is he 'Deadly? ????' In all seriousness though, who the Hell puts that on their list of journalistic qualifications? If I were thinking about hiring that person, I'd ask them if their kid had tampered with their resume.
sacrosanctt
Hey man, I need to know my journalists can break boards. You never know when you need a board broke.
ChiliBeef
Or, a stack of bricks.
BeerFueledAdventurer
Like, why does this matter? Who actually cares? What business is it of ANYbodys, but hers?
lurker1776578544786543
Idk, I think that anyone who wants to be placed on a pedestal deserves a little more scrutiny than the average Joe. If you’re a self proclaimed role model, and you have individuals who look up to you as an example of “what to do”, your actions deserve a look at every now and then. Granted, still none of our business, but I can see why something like this would matter if it were true.
saunterr44
it's called MEDIA
Magnar1183
She can afford to live anywhere, and she chooses the cesspit that is my birth state?
HonHomes
That's "The Daily Heil", I think you'll find
BDBottom
They supported that nice Mr Hitler in Germany until just before the War. "He sorts out immigrants and trade unions the way we should over here!"
In other words, precursors to every Murdoch "news" cloaca extant.
bl0ke
AKA The Daily Hate, The Daily Wail, etc.
EightLeggedPest
or Daily Fail
shorey66
My fave is the daily hate mail
Subsound
Everyone that works there writing stories is a terrible person
Gremlynn4023
My mom surrendered custody of me instead of getting a restraining order against her boyfriend who sexually abused me. I would park like this outside her trailer then treat my little sister to whatever the fuck she wants
PrincessWasabi
Can you get your little sister out ?
Gremlynn4023
She's an adult and never met my abuser
PrincessWasabi
That’s a relief. I’m so sorry that happened to you:(
ShadeMeadowsArt
OOOOOHHH!!
GET WRECKED!!~
kkanne20
it's the daily mail ffs. ignore it
noReallyIamPrincessBob
My mother had it made by the time she was 65 - a condo that was paid for, a car, and her mother left her money when she died as well as a pension. My mom pissed it all away, and ended up having to get a new mortgage at 70, and work to make ends meet.
I refused to support her financially - no one is going to pay for my house or retirement. I have to look after me first. Sorry, but you had your opportunity. I have to make my own.
whitefoxkei
So wait, a conservative rag is mad that a poor person ISN'T receiving "handouts" (their words)?
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cabbageisdelicious
It's almost like... that's part of why she doesn't feel close to her family. I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
VoidScreamer
Okay?
BeardedViking
Damn, I guess she doesn't deserve anything good in her life then.
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
Biles is fucking amazing love her to death, represents the fun in America
TheOneAndOnlyButtStabber
Her and her husband together are for sure a power couple
SadsPikkelson
I cannot fathom why she chooses to live in Texas
Etherealvalentine
$$$ keeps the law at bay, in states like texas
drcookieninja
Big cities aren't bad and next to no taxes. I'm seriously considering moving to the US because of how much Canadian government takes from my income. But then I remember, paying more taxes just means I'm earning more, and more money won't make me much happier.
SadsPikkelson
Washington state has no income tax and is much more pleasant. As does Montana and Wyoming if you prefer more rural/wild but beautiful states. And the property tax in Texas is astronomical. Of course, Wyoming and Texas also have massive budget shortfalls because of their tax structure. And, no public healthcare.
lizardbones
texas is apparently really nice as long as you stick to the bigger cities
SadsPikkelson
Having been there many times, no. It's not as Republican, but it is overcrowded in the big cities, grossly hot and humid, and flat. And, while the youth might be more liberal, I have never met more phony hustlers than in Houston. And the downtown in San Antonio is a dump. Good restaurants are about all the cities have going for them. There are some beautiful places and wonderful people in Texas, but few and far between.
Rips4w
Your brief visits are about as informative as expected. I hope you are summarily ignored. There is so much beauty in Texas despite the governmental issues it has. It's unfortunate people are so interested in focusing on negativity when they could just as easily do the opposite or at least be honest, unlike you, about their ignorance.
Rips4w
And here comes the rest of them. Oh well, I asked for it. A state is only as commendable as its alignment with your political party, around here. I suppose the words of a 20 year, blue voting resident are just contrarianism.
sambaah05
The article isn't actually bad. It details how her mom abandoned her in fair detail. The headline is sensationalized, but the article itself is interesting. The mom talks about her addiction and struggles. The moms main plea isn't for money, it's to ask for a chance for forgiveness. It's a tough read. The headline doesn't do it justice.
DownUnderDanny
Your opinion is trash, and you should feel trash
lurker1776578544786543
Your opinion is trash, and you should feel trash
DownUnderDanny
If I wanted come back, I'd have wiped it from your mother's teeth ayyy
lurker1776578544786543
If I wanted come back, I’d have wiped it from your mother’s teeth ayyy
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
I mean thats her business not the worlds. If Simone doesn't forgive her or doesn't want her in her life, thats her choice and not fair for the world to speculate on what she should do.
IrishPub
Trust me when I say that the "forgiveness" is just a prelude to asking for money. It always is.
WarlockWithNoPatron
Very few, if any, publications have the writers of articles choose the headline. Headlines are chosen by someone else, who may or may not have read the article in question. Some people think this is an exceptionally stupid practice, because it is.
TheBestSarcasm
this makes the disingenuous click bait title worse, not better
patrickcentral
Came here to say this, probably needs a chidi gif to really do it justice
ThatOtherMacAvoyWoman
The journalists don’t write the headline, their editors do.
ATLandNerdy
Majority of people get the whole story from the headline, they think it is an accurate summary.
Bignholy
Today: "Please, honey, can you forgive me?"
One month: "Please, honey, I just need $50 till next week."
One year: "What do you mean, you won't buy me a car? Your rich! I'm your mother!"
Bignholy
Yeah, nah, unless the reconciliation started a couple years ago, I would hard pass on that.
saunterr44
It never does. Mom has her plans, and Simone is right to ignore them.
surfacefried
So you could see it as the daily mail used clickbait ane completely betrayed the mother because she isn't asking for handouts... She just wants to reconnect with her daughter (regardless of how you feel about that). The headline frames it as if to say "obviously she wants hlundouts"
AllTheKitties
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Simone has her reasons for not speaking to her and trust that she knows what is best for herself and her life. She owes nothing to her mother. Her mother's use of the media to try to reach her is disgusting and I will not support it.
- signed, an adult estranged from her parent for good reason.
avenlanzer
Children do not owe their abusive parents. Not even forgiveness. Not even time for them to ask for it.
slayston
Who said she was abusive? A fucking weird assumption to make....
LootenetDan
Neglect is abuse
OrRo77
Daily Mail headlines are all click bait
DanielAsparagus
You can have forgiveness without money. A child never recovers from the lack of love and sense of abandonment.
Mostlydeadpool
Also, talk is dheap. if you want forgiveness, you need to DO something that you've changed. But even then in this situation, it's hard to tell sincere repentance from "playing to the cameras for a paycheck"
Ilovebyakuya
"The 52-year-old, who was forced to give up her children due to her long-running battle with drugs and alcohol, is now sober but has struggled financially, living in the same corner red-brick row house in the crime-ridden neighborhood of Franklinton" Getting sober is a change
Mostlydeadpool
pretty much. when bad companies go "but we're a family!" guilt trip, I all but laugh "bitch please. I don't like my existing family? what makes you think I want this dysfunctional mob of rabid weasels as a second one?"
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
Place I currently work literally is a family, half the office staff have the same last name and they're all cousins and siblings and aunts and uncles and shit, it's kinda funny but also kinda weird. The owner hired one 25 years ago and the rest have just slowly showed up. They're chill, so it's like going to your friend's house when his family is in town, but they also have their decades old clique that you'll never quite fit into cause you're not *one of them*.
VoidScreamer
Yea, but 80% of the twitter readers aren't going to click on the article. They'll just read the headline and think that's all there is to the story. And DM absolutely knows that. That's why they wrote the headline that way.
lurker1776578544786543
That’s what it takes to survive in an capitalist industry though. When your revenue stream is dominated by ad dollars and not subscribers, you’ll crank out as much clickbait as possible. It sucks, because I’d gladly cancel any streaming service for a handful of good publications. My local paper is only $7.99 a month and it’s great, but they obviously can’t cover national events.
sambaah05
It also seems like most of the Imgur users didn't read the article either based on these comments. So, yeah...
aintnothinbutahounddog28
Probably more like 99%
RuBisCO1
Steve Jobs told his bio-parents to f-off, no one seemed to care.
OppaGangnamPyle
Why should anyone give a shit about anything Steve Jobs related?
RuBisCO1
Yes exactly, so why should people care if simon biles telling her mother to f-off.
malachitedragon
My opinion? Nah. You want forgiveness now that your kid is famous and rich, if she weren't Literally The Best Gymnast In The World you wouldn't give a shit. I am, however, also very jaded.
PrincessWasabi
Justin Biebers dad was the same way too
FlatPlutoSociety
I have no opinion about this whatsoever. If Biles wants to forgive her and have a relationship with her, that's fine. If she wants to never see her for as long as she lives, also fine. This kind of thing is entirely personal.
NunyaBNess1
oobidoobscoobydoobybenubi
Same with Kelly Clarkson's dad.
Ilovebyakuya
Obviously. I "give a shit" about the children I had to give up for adoption because I knew I wasn't fit due to addiction. The only thing difference between me and her is I did it at Birth and she did it after she tried and couldn't hack it or get sober at that time so at least she tried
coffeeandprozac
I think you did better. You owned your situation, didn't delude yourself into thinking becoming a parent would be the magic motivator to instantly sober up. You didn't make it the baby's responsibility to make you get your life together. You were realistic and obviously loved your baby more than yourself, which is far better than risking the chance of traumatizing a kid while trying.
Ilovebyakuya
Thank you that's a really good way of thinking about it. And they are both back in my life!
sambaah05
It's obviously Simones decision to make. That being said, Simone has a sibling, who isn't rich, and the mother rebuilt that relationship. Might help if you read the article before smearing the mother.
CynicalButton
This was was one of her comments in the interview: "Of course, I would accept her help," Shanon said. "She hasn't [offered] it so far. I'm here. I'm okay”
She just wants money not forgiveness.
sambaah05
Did you read the whole thing? Doesn't seem like it. You left out that she was asked right before that if she'd accept help. You also left out this: "And she has told of her sadness that, to this day, she has no part in major life events such as Simone's wedding last year to Owens.
She said: 'I would like to make amends with Simone personally – I'm just waiting for her and Adria. I speak to Adria more than I speak to Simone.
'I would just ask her to forgive me. Can we move forward? "
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Why would she even agree to an interview about it? I don't trust people that put personal family business into the media. Just like Megan Markles family that came out of the woodwork. Or Mariah Careys sister that had addiction issues. Its easy to hear one side of the story and pity someone. If someone told me they don't want to speak to me or made no effort to be apart of my life and they suddenly became famous, I wouldn't even fathom going to media to talk about them.
sambaah05
I never said she was a good person. I just said the headline, and how she's being portrayed here, don't match what's actually on the article. Plenty of people here are judging her just on the headline clearly. Which is unfortunate. Please read articles, and not just the headline. May not change your opinion, but it's clear some aren't reading articles.
EroticZombiePants
Colin Kaepernick's birth mother didn't make any real effort to ask for forgiveness for putting him up for adoption until after he joined the NFL either, so even if she isn't actively trying to get money, I can't help put to think she's reaching out hoping maybe being forgiven would lead to Simone helping her financially. Ultimately, it's up to Simone to decide what she wants to do, so no need to judge either way.
sambaah05
Sure. But if you actually read the article, you'll see she's made a relationship with her other child, who isn't rich. I really wish people would read the article before commenting. It's not that long.
ArcaneM37
My mother also wants forgiveness and reconciliation, and I've done jack shit with my life. She's still not getting it.
CharlesOffdensen
Ilovebyakuya
I don't know what your situation is but as a birth mother it just brings me such pain to hear stuff like this I'm so lucky both of my boys want to be in my life. The only thing I ever think is how lucky am I that my kids have such a big loving supporting family. If your mom's never did anything purposely to hurt you other than give you up for adoption please give her a chance it's probably tears her up inside
EpochEclipse
Have you tried that "minding your own damn business" thing that's been popular in the news lately?
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Doesn't matter if its purposeful or not. Hurt is hurt. And if someone choses not to have someone in their life, that is their choice. Sometimes the consequence of a mistake is not getting closure from making it.
rokumonshi
There's more to being a parent than spawning a child.
My mom never made an effort to redeem what she did,and as far as I'm concerned she's dead to me.
Eli93
Giving a child up for adoption can be done out of love. I'd be much more willing to forgive that than a lot of the everyday abuse some parents put their kids through.
ArcaneM37
Same. Divorce is another one that kids tend to hold against their parents - I would rather have been put up for adoption or at minimum had them divorce so I only had to deal with my mom. When other people's nightmares are your best case, there's a problem.
DahPrincess
It's a nice thought, but some biological parents had no interest in being parents in the first place. Also, plenty of loving, caring, responsible parents end up hurting their kids in some way. Life is going to be hard in it's own ways for everyone, everyone has a right to handle their feelings how they see fit, and everyone is responsible for their actions and the impacts they have on their surroundings.
fofner
My dad wronged my family pretty good growing up. One day I decided to truly forgive him. Not because he changed. Not because he deserved it. Not because he asked. Carrying resentment and anger against him wasn't doing anything to him, but only to me and my soul. Our relationship isn't perfect, but I don't feel that blood vessel tightening resentment and anger anymore when I think of or talk to him. I'm not sure forgiveness and grace is ever earned. Maybe only gifted
Emriys
What? No. Fuck that. Giving birth doesnt give anyone the right to be a piece of shit, ruin someones chidhood and still get forgiveness. My father can rot in hell and I will never forgive him, ever. How about being a decent person so you dont NEED forgiveness, because a child is the literal definition of innocence so needing to be forgiven by them means you are just shit inside.
ArcaneM37
My dad won't even admit that he has anything to ask forgiveness for, so my mom is ahead of him in that regard. Still haven't talked to her in 5 years.