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I do actually believe that it is technically feasible to have a colony on Venus. PBS Spacetime did an episode on it ages ago. I just like the idea of getting rid of a few money hoarding people exploiters by using the cheapest is best approach to going to Venus.
Here's the actual article
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oceangate-founder-titan-submersible-titanic-venus-humans-b2564075.html
SilverDust133
It’s the hottest planet we have though…
codeacrobat
Yeah, there are cold spots on the sun, too. I bet you could park there in a tesla for a while /s.
DSREX
Mars is a cake walk compared to Venus.
The Venus cloud city idea is interesting. But the new tech we would need to make it a sustainable is pretty high too.
But if we can make Mars, Moon or Venus work we can save this rock first. Since you know all the people already live here.
Elon's bonus could solve world hunger many times over, morally he should be obliged to do so. Will he... never.
PileOfWalthers
Make it mandatory for billionaires! "The Marching Morons"
d3jake
Dunning-Krueger, party of one? Your table is ready.
Superstzday
do it you won't no balls
anaxandrew
Ok, but only if it's operated by a N64 controller. Peak engineering.
hellospacemonkey
Oh, he can send you there, just can't get you back.
DarkTheme439
Also....cannot send you there
hellospacemonkey
Humor may not be your thing ;) Typically the Titanic submarine got them there.
Ohdearaudrey
Is this because that’s where they heard women are from, so they want to go find some that don’t know what fucking morons they are?
quadraspaz1
This comment deserves more upvotes
FabledAesop
Have they reached the all-important CG rendering phase yet?
wazeewa
Send Musk and Bezos on the maiden voyage. I'm sure they would LOVE to go!
Invisibleman1921
Cool. How about the crew and passengers are just billionaires?
It works: we never see them again.
It fails: we never see them again.
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Penus
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PileOfWalthers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons
quadraspaz1
Thanks for that. It sounds good. I'll try and get hold of a copy. I'm a bit annoyed that I read the spoilers on the wiki
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
I can safely send people to Uranus. Now give me billions of dollars and cya in 15 years when I'm going to say it will take another 15 years
NappaTheFriendlyGhost
I have this idea for a spinning cylinder space colony that I totally didn’t steal from gundam. Give me 900m dollars to build a giant metal dick and another 250m to figure out how to make it spin good. I’ll get back to you in 30 years.
solrev
Ah. The Musk Method. Grifters gonna grift.
backrideup9
I can safely send them tomorrow. I will be completely safe as they rocket out of the atmosphere at Mach 9001 into the void and their eventual death.
jacblake
Fun fact- Uranus smells like ass.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Pay me billions and sniff away?
Bunnies007
And of course you will need more funding.
mediumrarechickenstrips
It says he can safely send them. The title makes no guarantee about safety once they arrive.
zeacorzeppelin10
Is he aware of the fact that the last probe was sent there by the USSR lasted a couple hours before being destroyed by the harsh environment of Venus.
https://www.planetary.org/articles/every-picture-from-venus-surface-ever
giftkartoffel
Shhhh don't tell the billionaires
freshthrowaway1138
Are you aware of the fact that materials sciences have advanced since the Soviet Era?
zeacorzeppelin10
Well, true are humans ready for that next venture
freshthrowaway1138
Personally, I'm hoping that we start moving towards greater colonization/mining efforts. The fewer holes we dig on Earth, the better.
zeacorzeppelin10
Soon.
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Why do you believe it's technically feasible? What does "believe" mean when it comes to science? Do you have any PROOF!? Are you taking into account things like kidneys can't function long term being smashed by cosmic rays? (Google that is new). Stop listening to these muppets unless they start saying "clean the oceans, invest in renewables, pay a living wage and keys fix this planet". Anything else coming from these cunts is pablum.
IslaNublar
Venus is a hell planet. Once you get through the sulfuric acid rain in the upper atmosphere you hit crushing pressures and intense heat (hotter than Mercury which is CLOSER to the sun.) The probes/landers that actually survived only operated for minutes to a few hours before they were crushed like a tin can and melted. A colony on the place is a pipe dream. We can't even do a colony on the moon at the moment and it's a far, far more hospitable place than Venus.
freshthrowaway1138
This is like saying Earth is a hell planet because we get crushed at the bottom of the ocean. We need to think of Venus as an ocean planet, though not water but CO2. You float on it like a ship, and if you fall off a ship on Earth then you are just as dead. Also, while acid is bad, teflon and plastics block it pretty easily. Heck we already have the safety suits! You want to see corrosion? Leave a bicycle on the deck of a boat. The salt will destroy that thing.
And while it is a pipe dream for/
freshthrowaway1138
/now, it isn't all that far reaching. We already have computer chips that can withstand the Venus surface for weeks/months at a time. Throw in some genetically modified plants, and Venus would be a prime space colonization effort. Not a safe or easy one, but what is?
IslaNublar
Ignoring the rest of your blabble, you are a complete idiot if you think ANY genetic modifications will enable plants to survive almost NINE HUNDRED DEGREES OF HOT DEATH under massive pressure.
freshthrowaway1138
So you ignored my explanation of why I hold the positions I hold and how the temps you describe aren't involved? Wow, such proud anti-intellectualism. Do you also hate it when people explain other concepts that contradict your ignorance? I'm guessing you're not a reader? Perhaps into Fox News, or do you just focus on memes from imgur to explain the world because anything larger than a sentence confuses you?
I must say that you're just a sad person that makes me doubt the future of humanity.
IslaNublar
Nah, I'm just skimming over your replies because clearly you're an idiot if you think genetic modification will allow plants of literally any kind to survive on a ball of dirt that is literally hotter than Mercury, the planet that is literally closest to the sun. You sound like the "science can solve anything!" idiots that don't understand even science has limits.
freshthrowaway1138
Also, just think I should point out that extremophiles already exist on Earth that can sustain themselves in extreme environments. This is well known to most people. But you might just be too proudly ignorant to learn anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile
IslaNublar
No. Just no. Your comparison is ridiculously off. We can make submersibles that can survive at the deepest part of the ocean. Our hardened landers designed for Venus lasted for an hour or so. Sulfuric acid eats plastic as well as most other materials. And there's no genetic modification you can do to enable plants OR animals to survive in 864F temperatures.
freshthrowaway1138
Wow, you're so confident in your ignorance. The Soviets (not the US) did build hardened landers- with 1970's tech! Do you really think our materials sciences haven't improved since? NASA Glenn developed a computer chip that can survive the surface conditions, they could build a new probe that lasts longer. As for acid, teflon blocks it, not to mention the plastic in your car's battery. It doesn't dissolve everything, sheesh.
As for plants on the surface, no shit, sherlock. No one is putting /
IslaNublar
Why don't you actually read the actual details instead of blabbering mindlessly about Soviet tech? Yes, they landed. And that lander was crushed under the pressure and started to melt under the heat, killing it in an hour or so. You also act like there have been additional probes sent there since then with improved tech. Doesn't matter, it's still incredible hard surviving the atmosphere to get to the ground where it'll die in an hour anyway.
freshthrowaway1138
/a colony on the surface either. The plants would be on the colony ship at 50km above the surface where it is 1Bar and 30C. There are already plants that are acid resistant, we could GM that aspect for greater lifespan.
I feel like I'm repeating myself. Did you even read my initial comments? Because you sound really ignorant of Venus colonization efforts. It is an ocean planet, and we will float on the ocean of CO2. Not rest on the bottom.
AyatollahBahloni
Anyone thinking seriously about space colonization needs to read this book first, if they have sufficient encyclopedic knowledge of science to understand the point.
https://www.amazon.com/City-Mars-settle-thought-through/dp/1984881728
Written by the authors of "Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal." It's a captivating read.
soulsource
So much this. PBS Spacetime is way too optimistic.
DeadnCold
Why though? What is on Venus that would draw people there? Maybe I could see a pure scientific outpost like there is in Antarctica but you could do that 100 times easier with just an orbital station.. But dude wants explorers and investors aka civilians to go as well. To be locked in a tube 50kms off the surface because the surface is too hot. Anyone dumb enough to go deserves to be killed in the eventual pressure cooker that habitat becomes.
freshthrowaway1138
oh yeah, and the downside for an orbital station would be that the astronauts would die from solar radiation and be crippled by lack of gravity.
Radix865
Well, the upper atmosphere is pretty earthlike, Venus' gravity is almost the same as Earth, the clouds protect from radiation, and due to the thick lower atmosphere even larger platforms could be made to "float". Thoretically you could even stand there without a protective suit, as long as you had an oxygen mask. So yeah, there are perks for a floating base on venus over an orbital station.
Still, I wouldn't trust that dipshit with it and I definitely don't think it's ready for civilians.
JesaraB
And while the density is good for floating, the corrosive aspect would be hell on whatever material you made such a thing out of.
Radix865
It's mainly sulphuric acid up there which has multiple materials that it doesn't really corrode, like glass, teflon and carbon steel. But I think it is still one of the problems for any long term habitations.
It's not perfect by any means but it's still considered one of the more viable solutions for permanent residences on other planets.
freshthrowaway1138
Why? Firstly, scientific. Its an entire formerly Earth-like planet and being in the atmo is surprisingly useful.
Secondly, colonization practice. It has gravity and materials to see how it could happen.
Thirdly, nuclear fuel. The surface is packed with the stuff. With worker in a decent environment, the ores could be purified (with local acid/centrifuge) and then sent to ships that are heading for the asteroid belt for mining. /
freshthrowaway1138
/We don't want to launch highly enriched nuclear fuels from surface of Earth. This is safer.
Fourthly, it is en route to the asteroid belt for grav assist travel. Which means ships could drop from Earth to Asteroid and if something goes wrong? Venus will be an emergency stopping point. Ships could also be dropped unfueled and then get refueled at Venus.
Also, "locked in a tube"? Air is a lifting gas, so it would be a giant floating city. Much better than underground Mars stations. And in my/
freshthrowaway1138
/ideal plan, the system would be biologically sourced. This means growing trees/bamboo/algae from local atmosphere, with water coming from volcanic H2S gases, and then used as building materials to expand initial Earth built station. Heck with proper genetic modification, a lot of plant life could handle increase acid resistance.
It's not a day at the beach, but for people who like a challenge for the advancement of humanity? Not too shabby.
Lamelamia
All moot. Can never happen in any capacity. 75-90 earth pressures... anything even steel is crushed to pancakes. No living organism will ever go to mine venus while it has that crushing pressure.
freshthrowaway1138
Dude, have you read any of the comments that are talking about colonization? None of them are on the surface. Why? Because that is ridiculous. We don't build cities on Earth at the bottom of the ocean, why would we do that on another planet?
Now if you're just talking mining, we absolutely can build unmanned equipment that can handle it. Heck, NASA built a computer chip that can handle the heat and pressure of the surface. This isn't the 1970's. Also, steel? Why?!
TsubakiTragic
There are trillions and trillions and trillions of gold bars on Venus. Unfortunately, only very rich folks will be able to go there and collect as many as they want, so us poor folks miss out again. ratz!
DontTazeMeBrah
Mining asteroids on the moon seems more feasible
MyLastAccountWasShadowbanned
What are you going to do with Venus-mined gold? And don't say "shipping it back to Earth and spend it", because, y'know, gravity well.
quadraspaz1
I know gravity well. We went to school together. That said, we could use more billionaire filled ships to skyhook the gold out of the gravity well
statelessnfaithless
/gallery/useless-facts-badly-animated-venus-vs-mars-UUY2M3v
YouCanShoveYourMagicBeansUpYourAss
statelessnfaithless
Thank you!
GerardEngelage
Douglas Adams in tHHGttG already described a planet populated by hairdressers, phone sanitizers and more, while the clever and useful people would follow later. They didn't crash but landed so that their ship was beyond repair.
PileOfWalthers
We sure could have used some phone sanitizers about half a decade ago.
thechelonianshelmet
Lol, yeah, they landed on Earth, which explains a lot.
nemocares
Well, they had been told that the rest would follow later. The actual plans were somewhat different. (The origin civilization was later wiped out due to a plague largely spread by people using the same phone without having it sanitized in between.)
PapaJoeNH
Ideas take no money and no effort. But we're supposed to think these guys are geniuses for having them
MasterMookie
Its like the people who have the GENIUS idea that water can be harvested from the air! And then they pitch that idea. Every single year with a fucking stupid design. You're not inventors you are designers. You just want it to look cool and scam people!
DeadeicPrints
I could never put certain things I was annoyed about into words. Here it is, I now have a description for my feelings lol.
Ivain
Making them happen AND having nobody die in the process, THAT takes genius.
CallMeMcGyver
I worked making prototypes for industrial design and the number of people with “ideas” and no clue about materials, engineering, physics or manufacturing is staggering… you constantly get someone with an”idea” telling you “make this work” when it was out of touch with reality and physics… there’s a vast difference between being a “visionary” and “clueless”, yet the effed up thing is usually other people make the “dreams” work, yet get no credit.
ckmnstr
You have to be unburdened by reality to come up with nonsense ideas and fund it until the universe lottery strikes. So that's limited to the money hoarding few.
SunBrolem
Rich people always have the best ideas, just look at Dubai /s
AnythingMuchShorter
And then they hire hundreds of engineers to do their stupid ideas, and if we do the hard work and get it to happen they take credit like they did it all, if it doesn't they fire us and blame us, and sometimes they fire us if it works too.
2ToTooOrTwo
Anyone can have ideas... Good ideas can take some work to generate, narrow down, and nail down. Some jobs work the body, and some jobs work the mind. Billionaires only work their mouths.
Conejito
stayingalive4life
Because billionaires will just have people do the hard work for them and then claim the credit and profits for themselves.
2ToTooOrTwo
Exactly.
manystripes
The idea isn't even new, I remember reading about the sci-fi idea of cloud cities on Venus decades ago. It turns out having the idea for something is very different from having the technology to actually do it.
Nateinthewild
I work in the creative industry, so my job is literally having ideas and then bringing them to fruition.
You are correct. The "idea" is like....5% of the total effort for a project. Sometimes it's the most important part, but thinking up something cool is SO much easier than making it happen.
CallMeMcGyver
The best industrial designers I’ve worked with always understood this… ideas are are a dime a dozen, understanding how to bridge ideas with reality is the hard part.
deletable
But it’s rarely one idea isn’t it? As a creative, bringing things into the world from Zero, it’s often a huge train of interconnected ideas that are fluid….
Nateinthewild
Well I was referring to "THE IDEA", like the grand overarching concept idea. But yes, you could say that bringing "an idea" to life requires hundreds of other, smaller ideas along the way.
deletable
If it wasn’t clear… I was trying to give you (and creatives) props….. manifesting from a blank page to a real world object is some peak behavior.
Nateinthewild
It was clear, and I appreciate you!
jbrightmans
What do you think of a bed made of fiberglass with a drain in the middle so you can pee in bed without getting up?
sadurdaynight
The great part about them is they think they're smarter than engineers. They're basically like designers on gofundme's trying to kickstart an idea. But, they fund their own dumb idea, and, since they have an ego, dismiss actual engineers that point out the flaws. Problem now is their ideas are getting folks killed. They're having a pissing contest with the billionaires that went to space, and want to one-up them. B/c now money is no longer the big dick status symbol, it's where you've gone.
giftkartoffel
As long as Elon and Trump are on board
MyBigMouth
I think I've seen this one before...
cleverascanbe
Ricobe9
Rapt0rman
I love that Adam Savage's guest appearance ends with the ultimate Knolling (the process of separating and laying out the pieces of a full assembly). It's one of his favorite parts of a build
Atomic2
THAT WAS ADAM? I did no recognize him at all without his glasses.
Atomic2
I'd totally believe Clark Kent was a nobody reporter.
BarnegatLight
What's this from? It's pinging my brain but it's too short for the memory to form.
MyBigMouth
The Expanse
BarnegatLight
Thank you!
Frogblender
The only reason I started watching it was seeing the gif of the guy trying to impress his (ex?) girlfriend by being the first one through the ring.
TheBlueMuppet
That was an amazing piece of cinema all on its own, and tbh, I'm super interested in those guys.
Subtilico
Maybe not on Venus, but floating in the high atmosphere.
metroid2
Daisy, daisy...
turbodog
Good morning, Doctor Chandra.
AltruisticDefenestrator
Words cannot express how pro billionaires-going-to-Venus-in-the-SquishMachine i am.
ballsoutflyer
When I read that, I heard the voice of Goliath from Fallout say that.
Violaquin
Same
johnvictor
bUt ThAt Is GlOrIfYiNg ViOlEnCe!
pfunk81
On one hand yes, on the other hand the billions $$ that would be spent to send them there - in luxury - could be better spent elsewhere.
Dragondraikk
Could... But won't anyways, because you have to be incredibly selfish to be a billionaire in the first place
pfunk81
ThisUserNameMightBeTaken
Serious question: Where do you think the money goes?
pfunk81
Look, I get it. That money gets spent and recirculated into the economy instead of the billionaire sitting on it like a dragon. Even when being 'sat' on, a billionaire's wealth is typically being invested to generate more wealth. There is a ton of other reasons NOT to send billionaires on spacecations. I'm sorry I didn't elaborate on all that in my post, and you felt you needed to make a dumbass snarky response.
IceWeaselX
Well, it's space travel, so it wouldn't be a SquishMachine. The Titanic-seeking submersible imploded from pressure. In the vacuum of space, a breach in the hull of a spacecraft would suffocate people when the air gets sucked out. No squishing of the craft, and no explosive decompression either.
Sanzanna
Jumping in here with a little science
https://youtu.be/EsUBRd1O2dU?feature=shared
AltruisticDefenestrator
I was mostly hoping they would fuck up the "stay at 50km altitude"-part and get treated to some delicious Venusian atmosphere, since we know the sub had issues maintaining depth etc.
ztygs
To get to Venus you'd need to go through space first tho and I don't think anything those chuckefucks put together can survive lift-off or space travel. They won't even make it anywhere near Venus before everyone on board is dead.
Ionico
I know you mean well, but I think they are talking about Venus, not the trip. Venus is a hellish, super hot, super high pressure planet. It rains molten metal there.
IceWeaselX
Ah, my bad. I was being optimistic and thinking they were going with the hastily built ship getting fucked before reaching the destination like the previous one.
Which would be more satisfying? A fast or a slow death?
ballsoutflyer
The most satisfying would be a brutal death.
Ionico
A fast realization for them they are in for an inevitable, slow death.