Dual 21” subwoofers for audio setup. I’ve built many subwoofer setups in my life. Some for myself many more for others. I reached a point in my life where I was ready to combine the total knowledge and experience into a final magnum opus.

Jan 21, 2020 5:51 AM

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Starting at the end. Finished these is spring of ‘19. I used celestion 21” drivers. Cabinets are walnut burl veneer.

Nail down those designs in digital first!

These fixtures are for laminating the side panels. I wanted the curvature on the sides to match the Tannoy mains. If you know of Tannoy high end audio... then you know.

Laser cut a template for accurately marking the sides.

All 4 sides laminated 25mm thick Baltic birch.

The entire cabinet is 25mm Baltic birch.

Laser cut and threaded mounting plate for the subwoofer mounting attached to the back of the front baffle plate.

There’s never enough clamps.

Viking for scale.

Test fit driver... mostly for fun.

Lots of spline sanding to get the sides ready for veneer.

25 coats of black polyurethane on top, back and bottom. Lots of sanding between coats. Looking for that mirror finish.

Front and sides are cut from a single 4x8 book matched piece of walnut veneer.

Then poly. Lots and lots of poly. Then sanding. Then more poly.

Looks good...

But it could be better. At this point there was a total of 75 clear coats of poly.

Time to break out the wet sanding and buffing.

Wet sand 400, 600, 900, man my arms are tired. 2000 then 3000. Then buff with high abrasive cutting then swirl remover then polish... now some wax.

Gotta get that mirror

Ready to assemble.

edit for autocorrect: portedcabinets get thoroughly lined with absorption material.

Now the metal. Custom grills made from 10g steel laser cut and tig welded together.

Ready for powder coat

First coat of powder is chrome. Second coat is black chrome.

All the steel bits. Grills, terminal plates, isolation discs(top sub) and port fins.

Black chrome looks good.

Port fins prevent cats from climbing in. Shaped so that air makes no noise in passing.

High current terminals with ground.

Braided cables for high gauge and flexibility.

Spikes on the bottom to seat the sub directly to the concrete and level.

All assembled in their current home. Build time was 6 months.

Driven with dual amps @ 1600w RMS each. That’s mostly about maintaining quality at moderate listening levels though. It has been mind blowing getting this dialed in. My personal audiophile heaven.

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mymilkshakebringstheboys

I have the same in blue. Only they're useless washing machines

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Beautiful piece of art

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I just don’t have the words to express my admiration for your design and execution. Your craftsmanship is beyond extraordinary. Superb!

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Beautiful!!! Maybe stupid question: dont the drivers reach out (when powered highly)until they touch the grills in front of them?

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I thought that was a crazy washer dryer combo

5 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

Glad I'm not the only one.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Brav-fucking-O!! Great build. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. My personal dream is to build a subwoofer/coffee table.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

ElectroVoice made a 30" dia. Sub & published cab specs, i never felt it tho, beautiful work! I use to build monster systems for NYC clubs..

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

When you absolutely, positively HAVE to blow the roof off the place.

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Recently got a dual 18" 4300w subwoofer. Didn't respect it at first giving it a test. Almost broke glass... at my neighbor's place.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Holy hell man! Hahahaha, yeah that'd do it!

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Does it wash the shirts well?

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

They are f'king beautiful. Well done.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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5 years ago | Likes 123 Dislikes 1

Yes... just like this. I’m guessing you noticed the guitars on the far left.

5 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Only the bottom on is a sub woofer. The one on top is the Dom woofer.

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

It’s a power bottom though.

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Niiiiice

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Them Tannoys tho

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes! Someone mistook them for B&W earlier... I was wounded;)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

DC10s ?

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yep. DC -10A. Alninco

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I wish i could own something like that one day! Great job with the build btw =)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

aren't they too close to the walls? why stack them? surely you want them paired to the ground? they look amazing though...

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Actually to a wall is good for free room gain. +3Db per surface. So free 9Db :)

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Not too close. That’s a room by room variable. Stacking is a space consideration. Given the construction, no downside except lifting.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

how much power is driving them?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm drooling over your Tanoys. Supertweeters too.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It’s very rare to find someone who understands Tannoy. Clearly you know;)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

does it go to 11?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Are you my downstairs neighbor?

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Dayum what's the frequency response? I bet you feel them in your bones.

5 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 1

Whales can hear it, lol.

5 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

On the other side of the world!

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So can Wales

5 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

That is seriously impressive work.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It boom?

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Have you measured the resonant frequency?

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

25 coats? Who has time for twenty-fi... SEVENTYFUCKINGFIVE?

5 years ago | Likes 100 Dislikes 1

6 month build so yea

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

75 coats at a minimum is a month and a half. But I bet drying time wasn't half-assed either.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ya have to let it get dry enough to sand. If you don’t have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over ;)

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I use a can of spray paint when I need to paint something. Sometimes I'll even finish the can.

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I had to scroll back up to re-read 25. Then I saw the 75 and my brain fell out thinking of the drying time.

5 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

It was the look I wanted;). If you look at my other projects you’ll see I don’t like to go halfway.

5 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 1

Love the craftsmanship, just curious how the sound pressure levels will be handled you might have a lot of clarity issues with 2

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That is some spectacular woodworking, not to mention audio engineering. What brand drivers did you use and what are you using to drive them?

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Couple of Qs from an audio eng - what's the port tuning frequency on those? Why go with 21" drivers - surely you're losing a lot of 1/?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

transient punch over say, a dual 10/12/15" setup? And please, especially if they're rear-ported, get them out of the corner of the room! :-)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Presumably @OPs running some bass tuning and room correction software here?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ok, 12hz. I know the conventional wisdom is 12/15” hit harder. Simply not true if done right. Not my first rodeo;), done lots of 21’s

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

To the corner... each of the ports is also bung’ed with 4” of reticulate foam. Ports are for tuning, not extra organ pipe.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I know you’re not just throwing that out there Willy nilly, but this is the best placement for this room. This room is also only for now.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

IMO, it depends on amplification. It's easier to move a smaller magnet faster, but if you've got a powerful enough amp that can switch fast

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

fuuuuuccck yooooouuuu. how much for one please

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I’m known for giving fuck you pricing to people... very intuitive of you;)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

ball so hard. but seriously I'm in love

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Cool! But doesnt stacking them hurt the sound quality by vibrating the chassis? Is separate them to prevent interference

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

you're talking about speakers playing soundwaves 20ft+ long. Its fine.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The chassis don’t vibrate. They are the calmest thing in the room. By design.

5 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

How about room modes?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Why not closed design?

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

In less than 140 characters... tuned to 12hz. ;)

5 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Close them :) I've been using ported SWs whole life and they are good OFC but closed is really much faster and more precise

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Oh, just staap. Can’t make a statement like that without a thorough understanding of the complete design.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh god :O

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Don’t know shoot about this. Why wouldn’t you separate them? Or need more than 1? But sweet work, it looks awesome.

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Humans can't tell the direction of very low sounds. So you can put subwoofers anywhere and not mess up the stereo effect.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The digital processing of channel mixing starts to effect upper frequencies.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Each sub carries the frequencies of left or right channel. Depending upon the DSP $quality, this is the first ding against channel sep

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Beautiful, shouldn't these be placed apart?

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

I would just use one for the pressure and place ceramic elements under the seats for the actual bass.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Pressure ? Thats just spl. At low frequencies. Shakers dont do audiable frequencies. They literally shake a weight on a piston axis.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, works at my house, sub throwing the 120-50 you feel in the chest and the ceramics shake the 50-15 so you feel it in your body.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, they should. (Used to build home theaters)

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Once he finishes the 2nd set for a smooth 2x2 sub conf :D

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Only if you're running stereo subwoofers, in mono it's more compact to stack them.

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Even if its mono, combats the rooms effects on sound

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

That all depends on the room itself, and this guy's personal setup.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The current trend is yes, but it's not a huge difference. You'll get a bit more even sound if they're spread across the room.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

However, if you're thinking this you're likely thinking room acoustics and that's a whole rabbit hole... Just turn it up and enjoy it.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That's what I was thinking, if you have two makes sense to just spread it

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're subs, bass isn't really directional as far as humans are concerned. It's the mids and treble that matter for stereo/surround

5 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I actually moved to a true stereo sub setup a few years ago. Single biggest upgrade I've ever done to my setup. Alot of things in audio 1/2

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Are just "known". I've found that actually testing them for yourself has resulted in some fun learnings, and lots of music ?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I know that still whats the point on having two then

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It’s on the internet so it must be true

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

So edgy

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

More. More everything.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sound quality - oriented drivers typically don't have much excursion - they're the opposite of typical car subwoofers that drive in and (1)

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

out, so if you want to shift a large volume of air (and get that gut-busting bass you can feel in your bones) you double up. (fin)

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

sq car audio. Single coil Infinity Beta subs are divine. https://manuals.harman.com/INF/CAR/Boxes%20and%20Parameters/BETA15X.pdf

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Very few people build SQL car audio systems, though. At least, not back when I was in the scene in the 90s and 00s.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Low frequencies are not directional. I used to know the range for directional hz, but I am old. I think its above 200hz

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I know they are still directional just less, whats the point of having 2 then?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Depending on room, might even out response - likely this, as custom setup. Volume-wise two identical speakers only raise max level by 3dB.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Stacking makes them more directional because you're creating an array. its under 50hz where you can start to claim omnidirectional response

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In technical terms, more umph!

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Cant argue with that

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Stereo?

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He wouldnt really get any stereo out of it if its the same location

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Its a lot less especially of they are isolated properly. Lots of time what people are hearing ‘directionally is the vibrations from the box.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Especially if he is directing like 85hz down.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Since he has 2 of them it would be best to put them in stereo mode for any harmonies that escape the above 100hz. If he has the room for it.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Presumably he would need to run discreet crossovers per channel or maybe his amp splits the signal?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've yet to see pure audio sources with dedicated L/R LFE channels. It's always 7-whatever and 1 bass. Unless there's a new format out now?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

9.4.2 Dolby Atmos

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Your comment made me do some research and as far as I can tell the extra .2 or .4 or more sub channels are still just the same mono LFE

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Its standing waves you want to try to minimise. Not harmonics.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Bass traps

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Your neighbours, your neighbour's neighbours and your neighbour's neighbour's neighbours must love them

5 years ago | Likes 443 Dislikes 1

What????

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

/a/L95UMH5

5 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

I promise I don’t terrorize the hood. This is in a basement with concrete outside walls.

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

In California, that would measure around scale 4.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nothing subpar about that comment

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point....

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Neighbours hate him, click here to find out why.

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Which neighbours? The whole neighbourhood has already been leveled by those super-BOOMers!

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I’m surprised his house is still standing. Maybe he didn’t turn on the sub yet.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In California, there are called the quakers

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Really disappointed this comment isn't about the Matrix.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Even I love them. And I'm in Germany.

5 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 0

Der war gut.

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You can hear them in Germany?! Dang!

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I have neighbors just about on all sides of me that have these, in their hoopty cars, I love em SoOoOo much

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My neighbour has me saved is his phone as noise terrorist and thats just from 300w amps

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300 watts somehow sounds as loud in a house as 3000 in my vehicle.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You're probably making people's lives miserable

5 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 4

Nice

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Rock and roll ain’t noise pollution.

5 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 4

It is if it’s not your choice.

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Rock and roll’s just rock and roll.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0