I hope they come to their senses and just blow Isreal off the map. They do not want peace. They want to expand Isreal. Fuck em up Palestine, it's the only way to truly have peace.
Isreal is surrounded because England and the US helped put them there. IDGAF who starts the next war it needs to stop. They can move out for all I care.
I think saying the Israeli government "has no plan" is being too generous. They have a plan. They obviously can't actually commit to that plan publicly, but it's naive to think all this is just a result of short term thinking and not a concerted result of multiple major political blocs within Israeli politics who have a vested interest in exactly this outcome.
Agreed. And not because I'm pro-israel or something - not everybody is as horny for oil as Americans. 🤷🏻♂️ People in other countries commit genocide for all SORTS of reasons!
It's also about finishing the genocide they started with the Nakba 77 years ago, and taking the last land the Palestinian people have, because stealing their entire original country just wasn't enough.
This may sound crazy, but I swear that people who are kind and telling the truth show it on their face. I feel like you can tell this is someone who genuinely wants peace and has been fighting for it, just by looking at him.
Maybe that Israel is the only democratic middle eastern nation and Hamas is a faction/terrorist group hiding in civilian areas? Hamas attacked first and this conflict is ancient, why wouldn’t Israel try to end this once and for all? Again they are fighting against dictators who oppress women and children, nations that lack freedoms.
They are setting the current world record for children starved, dismembered, and shot 'accidentally' with the numbers ramping up on a weekly basis. To say nothing of aid workers and journalists being murdered every few days, on film most of the time. If they can't solve their problem without becoming the exact monsters they claim their opposition to be, they aren't actually solving a problem. Just changing who holds the current title.
Most countries have authoritarian or semi-authoritarian regimes where elections are either nonexistent, rigged, or lack meaningful opposition (e.g., Iran’s "guided democracy," Saudi Arabia’s monarchy).
I’m sorry I’m trying to have a conversation and you result to name calling. But one is a nation that votes and has rights for its people and the other oppresses people and attacked a free nation
If you can't even get as far as "the ancient conflict didn't start two years ago", or "it is possible for a nation to be good to its citizens and evil to others", I don't know what the fuck kind of conversation I'm supposed to have with you.
Gender and LGBTQ+ rights: Women have equal rights under law, though wage gaps persist. Israel recognizes same-sex unions and allows transgender identity changes, though societal stigma remains
Iran arrested over 19,000 protesters and killed hundreds during the 2022 "Women, Life, Freedom" uprising. Saudi Arabia’s "counter-terrorism" laws criminalize dissent, with activists like Loujain al-Hathloul imprisoned for advocating women’s rights
Hamas employs child combatants and uses civilian infrastructure (e.g., schools, hospitals) as military bases, violating international law and endangering civilians
LGBTQ+ rights: Criminalized or heavily stigmatized. Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran, and LGBTQ+ individuals face persecution across the region Religious freedom: Minorities (e.g., Christians, Baha’is, Ahmadis) face discrimination. Iran’s Baha’is are barred from higher education and face arrest
Gender and LGBTQ+ rights: Women have equal rights under law, though wage gaps persist. Israel recognizes same-sex unions and allows transgender identity changes, though societal stigma remains
LGBTQ+ rights: Criminalized or heavily stigmatized. Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran, and LGBTQ+ individuals face persecution across the region Religious freedom: Minorities (e.g., Christians, Baha’is, Ahmadis) face discrimination. Iran’s Baha’is are barred from higher education and face arrest
Gender and LGBTQ+ rights: Women have equal rights under law, though wage gaps persist. Israel recognizes same-sex unions and allows transgender identity changes, though societal stigma remains
They are a free nation that gives its citizens rights and freedoms, the other is a faction that oppresses its people under religion and attacked a free nation. In my view it’s self defense against a totalitarian nation. War isn’t pretty but oppression and violence isn’t either.
Most countries have authoritarian or semi-authoritarian regimes where elections are either nonexistent, rigged, or lack meaningful opposition (e.g., Iran’s "guided democracy," Saudi Arabia’s monarchy).
Iran arrested over 19,000 protesters and killed hundreds during the 2022 "Women, Life, Freedom" uprising. Saudi Arabia’s "counter-terrorism" laws criminalize dissent, with activists like Loujain al-Hathloul imprisoned for advocating women’s rights
Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rocket attacks on Israel since October 2023, causing civilian casualties and displacement in northern Israel and Lebanon
Hamas employs child combatants and uses civilian infrastructure (e.g., schools, hospitals) as military bases, violating international law and endangering civilians
thisuserisafk
I hope they come to their senses and just blow Isreal off the map. They do not want peace. They want to expand Isreal. Fuck em up Palestine, it's the only way to truly have peace.
LincLoud
I keep saying it; Israel will go after another country after Palestine. Maybe Lebanon, Jordan, or even Egypt, but they won't stop.
spazztastic
Isreal is surrounded because England and the US helped put them there. IDGAF who starts the next war it needs to stop. They can move out for all I care.
maddeninglemon
I think saying the Israeli government "has no plan" is being too generous. They have a plan. They obviously can't actually commit to that plan publicly, but it's naive to think all this is just a result of short term thinking and not a concerted result of multiple major political blocs within Israeli politics who have a vested interest in exactly this outcome.
GenStrike
Well, I guess that's the concession they're willing to extend to them in the name of peace.
theoutdoorrageous
Says the monarchist
happyrabbitzz
While this would nullify my perfectly wonderful solution of giving Tejas to Israelis, this (if genuine) seems reasonable.
wahinetoa
Not only is this genuine, the deal has been on the table since 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative
tellm1by
Wouldn't NY be a more enticing offer for Jewish people? You could give Texas to Mexico if you want to get rid of it.
casualgenderquestion2718
Too woke
ExplainsTheReasoningBehindHowHeVotes
Upvoted for having good ideas. Why wasn't isreal placed in germany after WWII?
4etherling
Oil. The end game is about the massive oil under Gaza and off shore.
LDRcycles
That's just a bonus. The end game is exterminating the Palestinians who they refuse to believe are also human beings.
imaynotbeasmartmanjenny
Israel’s end game is land pure and simple as seen by their “settlements” it’s like Hitler and the Sudetenland it won’t stop there just like Putin
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
I don't think so.
leechdemon
Agreed. And not because I'm pro-israel or something - not everybody is as horny for oil as Americans. 🤷🏻♂️ People in other countries commit genocide for all SORTS of reasons!
Zyrixion
It's also about finishing the genocide they started with the Nakba 77 years ago, and taking the last land the Palestinian people have, because stealing their entire original country just wasn't enough.
super3dcow
This may sound crazy, but I swear that people who are kind and telling the truth show it on their face. I feel like you can tell this is someone who genuinely wants peace and has been fighting for it, just by looking at him.
IdrinkandImakethings
They all wear such nice suits which tells me job preservation one, truth, two
AllAnusMorissette
They've never respected human lives other than their own
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3stan2112
Fuck all the Zionists
theoutdoorrageous
Maybe that Israel is the only democratic middle eastern nation and Hamas is a faction/terrorist group hiding in civilian areas? Hamas attacked first and this conflict is ancient, why wouldn’t Israel try to end this once and for all? Again they are fighting against dictators who oppress women and children, nations that lack freedoms.
DreamingOfDistantShores
They are setting the current world record for children starved, dismembered, and shot 'accidentally' with the numbers ramping up on a weekly basis. To say nothing of aid workers and journalists being murdered every few days, on film most of the time. If they can't solve their problem without becoming the exact monsters they claim their opposition to be, they aren't actually solving a problem. Just changing who holds the current title.
SilverNicktail
"Hamas attacked first" and "this conflict is ancient" next to each other in the same sentence, because you're an idiot.
theoutdoorrageous
Most countries have authoritarian or semi-authoritarian regimes where elections are either nonexistent, rigged, or lack meaningful opposition (e.g., Iran’s "guided democracy," Saudi Arabia’s monarchy).
theoutdoorrageous
I’m sorry I’m trying to have a conversation and you result to name calling. But one is a nation that votes and has rights for its people and the other oppresses people and attacked a free nation
SilverNicktail
If you can't even get as far as "the ancient conflict didn't start two years ago", or "it is possible for a nation to be good to its citizens and evil to others", I don't know what the fuck kind of conversation I'm supposed to have with you.
theoutdoorrageous
Israel:
Gender and LGBTQ+ rights:
Women have equal rights under law, though wage gaps persist.
Israel recognizes same-sex unions and allows transgender identity changes, though societal stigma remains
theoutdoorrageous
Iran arrested over 19,000 protesters and killed hundreds during the 2022 "Women, Life, Freedom" uprising.
Saudi Arabia’s "counter-terrorism" laws criminalize dissent, with activists like Loujain al-Hathloul imprisoned for advocating women’s rights
theoutdoorrageous
Hamas restricts women’s freedoms, enforcing conservative Islamic norms and suppressing protests for gender equality
theoutdoorrageous
Hamas employs child combatants and uses civilian infrastructure (e.g., schools, hospitals) as military bases, violating international law and endangering civilians
theoutdoorrageous
LGBTQ+ rights: Criminalized or heavily stigmatized. Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran, and LGBTQ+ individuals face persecution across the region
Religious freedom: Minorities (e.g., Christians, Baha’is, Ahmadis) face discrimination. Iran’s Baha’is are barred from higher education and face arrest
theoutdoorrageous
Israel:
Gender and LGBTQ+ rights:
Women have equal rights under law, though wage gaps persist.
Israel recognizes same-sex unions and allows transgender identity changes, though societal stigma remains
Causeitsmadeofmeat
So Arabic Israelis get to vote? How the fuck is it a democracy?
theoutdoorrageous
LGBTQ+ rights: Criminalized or heavily stigmatized. Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran, and LGBTQ+ individuals face persecution across the region
Religious freedom: Minorities (e.g., Christians, Baha’is, Ahmadis) face discrimination. Iran’s Baha’is are barred from higher education and face arrest
theoutdoorrageous
Israel:
Gender and LGBTQ+ rights:
Women have equal rights under law, though wage gaps persist.
Israel recognizes same-sex unions and allows transgender identity changes, though societal stigma remains
theoutdoorrageous
They are a free nation that gives its citizens rights and freedoms, the other is a faction that oppresses its people under religion and attacked a free nation. In my view it’s self defense against a totalitarian nation. War isn’t pretty but oppression and violence isn’t either.
theoutdoorrageous
Most countries have authoritarian or semi-authoritarian regimes where elections are either nonexistent, rigged, or lack meaningful opposition (e.g., Iran’s "guided democracy," Saudi Arabia’s monarchy).
theoutdoorrageous
Hamas restricts women’s freedoms, enforcing conservative Islamic norms and suppressing protests for gender equality
theoutdoorrageous
Iran arrested over 19,000 protesters and killed hundreds during the 2022 "Women, Life, Freedom" uprising.
Saudi Arabia’s "counter-terrorism" laws criminalize dissent, with activists like Loujain al-Hathloul imprisoned for advocating women’s rights
dontrike
So democratic that the criminal leader they have has been keeping himself in power by starting wars? Wow! Such democratic!
theoutdoorrageous
Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rocket attacks on Israel since October 2023, causing civilian casualties and displacement in northern Israel and Lebanon
theoutdoorrageous
Syria’s civil war displaced millions; Yemen’s conflict (partially fueled by Iran and Saudi Arabia) has caused the world’s worst humanitarian disaster
theoutdoorrageous
Starting wars? I’m sorry who attacked who?
theoutdoorrageous
Hezbollah’s anti-Jewish propaganda vilifies Jews as “enemies of mankind” and promotes conspiracy theories, fueling regional tensions
theoutdoorrageous
Hamas employs child combatants and uses civilian infrastructure (e.g., schools, hospitals) as military bases, violating international law and endangering civilians
theoutdoorrageous
Iran has a literal doomsday clock counting down the distraction of Israel, and guess who funds Hamas?
dontrike
I'm not reading half a dozen bits of insanity because you couldn't put them in one or two comments. Even this one is fucking stupid.
Israel funds Hamas. Next dumb question.
theoutdoorrageous
Hamas has used indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli civilians, killing over 1,200 people in the October 7, 2023, assault
theoutdoorrageous
Governments or proxies (e.g., Assad’s Syria, Houthi rebels in Yemen) have committed atrocities, including chemical weapon use and starvation sieges