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No, this is not going to "give them an excuse" to do anything. Fascists don't need excuses to oppress people. Fascists should be afraid, they should live in fear every day of decent people coming to end them. Charlie Kirk was a profoundly evil person. He has spent his entire life promoting white supremacy, misogyny, and fascism. He has spent his entire life promoting hatred, oppression, and censorship. He has spent his entire life encouraging, fomenting, and institutionalizing violence against minorities. Violence against such people is justified because it is self-defense, and it should always be treated as such.
Ivain
I'm wringing my hands about the school shooting that took place at the same time, what am I/
Seanspeed
AOC is a fascist sympathizer?
Malcondrion
They aren’t! They’re concerned about “Liberal Violence”. Thats code for we want to start shooting liberals.
RickO3611
Kirk is officially a good Nazi now.
INeverReadTheTOS
Everyone pearl-clutching over Kirk getting shot while ignoring the school shooting that happened on literally the same day is showing that they don't actually care that someone got shot, they only care that someone *on their team* got shot.
judithCat
If it had been a student "thorts and prayers" if they were lucky, would've been the response and kirk would've said the shooter was black.........
WhaaatDa
My Thoughts and Prayers kit number 001 has been FedExed to the Kirk household.
biggiej
Fucking stupid hot take.
MerryXMan
I think it probably can and will be used as a catalyst by the current administration to take actions against universities and minorities. I have concern over the ongoing and lasting impact on those who will not be able to protect themselves from what might come of this, but honestly I don’t have a single shred of empathy for this man’s death.
BeverlyHillsBillie
Was a piece of shit
Spewing hatred and distrust
then somebody flushed.
HawkmanXLII
Nice haiku
ghornby
Gun violence is a problem whether the victim is a right wing monster or an innocent child.
vindik8or
It would be less of a problem if all the victims were right wing monsters and none of them were children. One might even encounter a bilateral push for a solution to gun violence.
StillScreamingIntoTheVoid
The rules only matter when they are losing.
Someone else's kids at school - get over it.
People you disagree with politically - we don't care.
Hate-mongering bigot - *clutches pearls* think of the children!
memedrift2410
It's wild that we are being asked to condemn the execution of people who celebrated the illegal rendition of people to literal death prisons.
Same with CEOs who murder hundreds of thousands (torture to death really) because they want a 3rd yacht.
Being a Nazi is to declare that you are in favor of, and intend to commit, violence. The only appropriate response is what happened to Kirk.
My grandpa didn't go to France to fight Nazis so that I could listen to them preach hate here in America.
TlsGrz
Political violence might be necessary at some point, but it‘s still wrong, because letting it get to that point is already a failure of your system.
And if that violence is called for, it must be used with purpose. If half of the world is legitimately speculating about this being a false flag, the target was evidently not important enough for the act to archive much politically.
HeLoudlySaidIgnoreMe
cool the system failed the nazis own the system now (not going to debate whether they owned it before) so now with the system failed, what do we do? We don't have a time machine. Violence is the only solution to white supremacy and always has been.
barnwolf
The system is meant to have power represent the voters, and half the voters want this. The system is working just fine.
HeLoudlySaidIgnoreMe
the system is built to disenfranchise groups. It isn't half the voters.
FetteredJuvenescence
Gorgoror
Hell yes !
ResonantPause
It’s easy to hate the other side. But if you’re fine with violence as long as it hits your targets, is it really ‘gun control’ or just ‘gun privilege’?
schlummi
There are views with which you can "happen to disagree with". But this only applies if there is some common ground. Trump and his supporters clearly crossed all red lines long long ago. You e.g. might remember that trump supported false claims/conspiracy theories about obamas birthplace. This was not a "mistake" - trump, his supporters, GOP and many far right news channels constantly spread misinformation, lies and propaganda. This is done with intent, maliciously. At that point its impossible
schlummi
to have a constructive, fruitful debate with such people. To be clear: I'm not saying that this is a justification for violence. It isn't. But these people clearly operate outside of the "common ground" - and should not be part of the political system. Other countries regulate speech more strictly - and people as Kirk would have faced consequences as fines or even prison time. This would have either shut them up - or at least given "the other side" the impression that justice is served. Which
schlummi
makes vigilantism less likely. In the US these people can poison the political debate endlessly. It fuels hate on all sides - and this will, inevitable, result in violence. An example of trumps first term was his constant wording of "kung flu" - which resulted in increasing rates of hate crimes against asians. This alone should have been reason enough to impeach and arrest trump. Also keep in mind: action = reaction. So its not "only" asians that might face violence because of that. It also
schlummi
leads to more and more people hating trump/republicans for this - and then people also feel emboldened to use violence to shut them up. Then hate and violence can spiral out of control. Therefore its important that leading political figures stay within the "common ground". The whole maga movement/supporters need to banned from politics completly. Or to go with your gun control aspect: you are either fine with gun violence or you aren't. People which are fine with it left the common ground and we
schlummi
don't need to debate with them. Same as we don't debate with osama bin laden or hamas. Those that want to fix gun violence can debate how to. Some suggestions are bad, some suggestions are good. But those that oppose ALL suggestions and just sabotage the debate should be ignored. They are clearly fine with gun violence. Far outside of the common ground. They are "team bin laden". TL:DR: Charlie Kirk should not have been shot. But he should have been arrested a long time ago.
s3ptum
I watched his wife's thing. Very weird. Felt like coded msgs. Not like I would expect a grieving to be. Maybe I'm the weird one. Idk
Sechran
Now he's just one of those "necessary sacrifices" for the Second Amendment he loved so much.
madjo
I expect there will be some right wing asshole campaigning to remove that right for democrat voters.
NinerThreeFourTangoXraySierra
It will backfire though. Remember what the NRA said last week. People who believe in the 2nd amendment usually believe that any restrictions on it will lead to restrictment for them even if they're not targeted. Any rhetoric about taking guns/gun-rights away looks really bad to their base, especially the armed fascist thugs whose support they rely on
barnwolf
True, they'll just give cops more power.
ruint
ironymus
And here I am hoping for the US to finally collapse, because the very existence of this terror regime is unbearable
NinerThreeFourTangoXraySierra
I strongly disagree with the notion that political violence against fascists is wrong. Their ideology is a threat to innocent people. Violence against them is self-defense.
NinerThreeFourTangoXraySierra
Like I can't believe I have to say this, but not all violence is made equal. It is not "wrong" to commit violence against genocidal white supremacists.
INeverReadTheTOS
I used to think that political violence was always wrong, and never acceptable.
Then I asked myself: "Would I have thought that way if Hitler was alive?"
And let me tell you, that rhetorical question is only getting more and more appropriate as time goes on.
McFrazzlestache
Hear. Fucking. Hear. /a/KzklJ5Q#0Hek4GO
ruint
Political violence is foming the gravy gestappo to harass non-whites, or sending the millitary to harrass dem cities. Political violence is bad.
Killing Nazi ringleaders is self defence. Killing nazis is good.
so IMO In a way everybody is right, except the Nazis,
... whom seem to finding this a tough pill to swallow.
Cinomed
While I can honestly say the world is a better place without Charles Kirk spewing his MAGA bullshit, our society is worse for how this happened.
If this was just political violence it says terrible things about where the US society is at. (not that it's a surprise, but it still kinda shocking to see if play out so fast)
ChiLLeCheeze
The country that causes instability for other nations is surprised when other countries cause instability in the fragility that is the "United States". The only thing the US knows is political violence or else they would have rolled over all the colonized people if not for violence. It's only bad when it happens in the US though.
ResonantPause
Ah, yes, the old "the US is responsible for all the world's worries, so anything bad that happens to anyone in the US is just desserts" meme. I used to be sympathetic to that opinion, so I don't want to shame you, but you're working on incomplete information paired with political rhetoric doused in motivated reasoning. No nation is ever wholly good or bad, and the rest of the world's nations don't just roll over for the US. Things are a little like you think, but also not really.
barnwolf
You think Charlie Kirk's assassination was orchestrated by groups outside the US? What evidence is there of that?
ChiLLeCheeze
Where did you get that? He said society is worse for how this happened. American society causes political assassinations and wars the the world over. It was eventually going to come here, whether it was foreign or American.
barnwolf
"other countries cause instability in the fragility that is the "United States"" I thought ChiLLeCheeze was saying this to explain Charlie Kirks assassination.