Xephier
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Been on Linux for 2-3 weeks now, and the dependency thing is a nightmare.. Even when doing basic, simple, logical tasks, Linux will just screw itself over for.. reasons..
Oct 4, 2024 3:52 AM
Xephier
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Been on Linux for 2-3 weeks now, and the dependency thing is a nightmare.. Even when doing basic, simple, logical tasks, Linux will just screw itself over for.. reasons..
alwaysgoodstuffhere
Try something like OpenSUSE tumbleweed and stick to the main repos. It is tested to work.
Xephier
Naw, currently using Garuda. Still more of a headache than windows, but that's just Linux in general. Worth it for not having a giant corporation effectively own my pc. Oh, also I bought a new PC, so I don't deal with so many issues now from using it on a laptop with hardware that isn't Linux-friendly.
tinydog
I've tried Linux a number of times. It doesn't do anything I need it to, without kicking and screaming and requiring me to get a doctorate to troubleshoot the whole operating system. I'm sure it's excellent for some servers, or limited-use systems. Not for an everyday PC.
Xephier
Actually, much simpler to use now with ChatGPT being a thing, just a couple things to keep in mind. A: Don't just DO everything ChatGPT (or any AI) suggests. Interrogate it, find out why you're doing the thing, and what it's implications are. Cuz ChatGPT knows a lot, but it doesn't seem to know enough not to feed you information that could break your system. B: Pick your distro carefully. If you have no interest in scripting or programming, or even using Konsole, stick with Ubuntu.
BrickShakes
Snap was created for users like you, all the dependencies comes packaged in a small sandbox removing any fuss and most common apps have a snap install. The snap installer is already part of newer Ubuntu releases so just visit the snap online store and press install on what you need.
Xephier
Manjaro KDE, Also, I'm not a user like what you're thinkin of. I'm not a total newb, just a bit of a newb to Linux. I will avoid Ubuntu if I can, unless I need to use it for stability while running Local AI training, and other things. For me, Ubuntu is just too mainstream. Also, I do like the open-endedness of Manjaro.
ChickenChickenBurningBright
Linux is great if your hobby is fucking around with operating systems
Xephier
LOL.. Got a good laugh outta that. Is true. especially if you've got hardware that doesn't support it, like a gigabyte Aorus laptop.. But yea, to be fair, my experience has gotten more refined as I learn more. But the dependency thing is Fkin mental, NGL..
MoeMoep
See @op, your mistake is using nvidia GPU. AMD or Intel GPU works fine ootb without tinkering.
Xephier
On a laptop, not a lot of options unfortunately, a Gigabyte Aorus laptop, to boot. That said, I'll never buy another Gigabyte product. 2 grand on this laptop and they can't even support Linux, Fk them. I am in the process of building a PC, for Local AI training, plus image generation. That said, still considering Nvidia, mainly because AI. IE: Cuda + TensorRT. I'd deff prefer AMD otherwise, any other use case, and I'd go AMD, but they just don't got it when it comes to AI, yet.
ApothecaryGrant
I want to make the switch to Linux because I so badly want a minimalist barebones OS that just gets the job done. But Linux too often doesn't get the job done and the driver support is often behind the curve. As CPUs and their scheduling get more complicated, Linux users keep getting the short end of the stick.
But someday I won't have a choice because Linux will be the only way to have a computer that isn't constantly monitoring me and scraping my data to send to some distant server farm.
Xephier
Exactly! Fk corporations.. They're owning way too much these days, and the gov does nothing about it. The recession came along, and they treated it like a fire sale, buying up all the cheap companies that could no longer afford to run on their own, and making mad bank from investments, that's why they made record profits during the recession. Well, that added to the fact that they jacked up prices on everything and turned the quality of everything they sell into garbage.
MoeMoep
Don't buy nvidia crap. Their driver support is abhorrent. Intel and AMD GPU "just work" nowadays. I have never used manjaro, but there is very user friendly distros out here.
Xephier
If you're into gaming, AMD is a solid choice, maybe even Intel, but if you want to run AI art, and/or AI training applications directly on your computer, Nvidia still has a bit of a head-start on that stuff, due to Cuda cores, and TensorRT. But beyond that use case, I'd 100% recommend AMD over Nvidia.
ApothecaryGrant
When it's pure rasterization, most definitely. Best bang for the buck with AMD. I ended up getting an NVIDIA card a few years back for the additional stuff that it could do with DaVinci Resolve, but that was my only reason for getting it. I suppose it'll be useful if I want to use it for Nightshade as well, but I don't think I'm gonna be selling any of my art anytime soon. The real problem with AI on NVIDIA is that I'd need to drop serious money if I wanted more than a piddly 8gb of VRAM.
Xephier
bout 600 bux for 16 gig, maybe a bit less on a sale. I'm going for 16 myself. Got 8 gig on a laptop, and that makes decent quality stuff. 16 will do more, plus be better with training. if I wanted to spend 400 more, I could get a 24 gig AMD card, but that's a bit much for a card that will probably be obsolete within a year. Can get 16gig AMD for 400ish, but then it's not as geared for AI, and wouldn't perform as well as the equivalent Nvidia card
dreikommavierzehn
ok, but fair warning: Unless you have decent technical knowledge or are an IT professional and spend a significant amount of time learning about it, your new Linux experience won't be much less bloated than any other OS
Xephier
That's not entirely true. I have had a rough run of it, hence the meme, but I'd hardly call my experience 'bloated', and in terms of data security, Linux is WAY ahead of the ball, even with minimal setup. Cuz they aren't actually trying to harvest your data, unlike M$. As for expertise, If you're careful about what info you accept from it, and interrogate it about every suggestion, you can use ChatGPT to guide you around, just don't follow it blindly, or it will toss you off a cliff.
pm1001
For sure , this is the year of Linux on the desktop
Xephier
Yep, for two reasons, The popularity of AI, since the applications for it were made in Linux, they're easier to get running in Linux. B: corporate fukery. People gettin tired of being shackled to corporate ownership, and having M$ harvest their data to make a profit from it. And post-covid, corporations are showing their true colors a lot more openly, so people are losing confidence in them, and looking for alternatives.
pmulax086
Been a Linux user since the late 90's, when it was way harder to get all the hardware running, but in spite of *some* dependency issues (I use Kubuntu), I really notice how unclogged and un-tutored it is every time I use someone's Win PC
Xephier
'un-tutored'? 'unclogged'? Sorry, don't fully get the context.
toolzgalore2
I love Linux for certain things, but man the dependency hell is real. I am a Sr. Linux sysadmin but holy crap is it not super simple to use it as a windiws replacement. The support of the community isbhuge and has gotten so much better over the years but Windows for all of its faults does make it pretty easy to get stuff running. I have gotten old windows 2k applications working with much less fiddling than I have needed to get basic stuff going on Linux
mechanerd
Things like this is why I've generally avoided Linux. I know things have changed since I first got into building computers, but I mostly just play video games. Windows simply works and can run new or older games just fine. Not saying Linux is horrible, I just don't want that much more tweaking and fixing for my main hobby of playing video games.
toolzgalore2
Yeah dude, when I sit down to play a game, I want to play my game, not futz with my OS for an hour because an update to a dependency broke a rube goldberg machine I had to get the game or application to work in the first place
Xephier
NGL, that's pretty much why I stuck with windows as long as I did. If video games hadn't been invented, I prob woulda went with Linux a long time ago. Well, also the mainstream applications like photoshop. But to be fair, Gimp has come a long damn way. I used it to make the meme above, and it was intuitive, had useful tools. It was easier to use than photoshop, and no stupid corporation begging you for a fee just to use it each month.
Xephier
Accidentally hit enter, and can't edit posts for some stupid reason..
I hate the sites like this that do that. if you can't edit a post, don't make enter submit the post.
Anywho, was just gonna add, that's why I got into Linux, largely, is to remove the shackles of corporate ownership. They own too much, and now everything is being rented back to us at a monthly fee. And we can hardly get ahead because they own all the production. So yea, up with open source, Fk corporations.
toolzgalore2
Yeah man, I am using the futo keyboard and really like the things they are trying to do. Have you tried ameliorated version of windows?
fnoigy
This is literally the first time I've ever heard a Linux user speak of the OS as anything less than a golden god of perfection.
toolzgalore2
I am a realistic person lol. For certain things it is great and wouldn't use anything else. For games... Not so much but that is mainly due to windows being the default that stuff is developed for.
Xephier
On the other hand, if you can get games running for Linux, I bet they run a lot faster due to not being run on a spyware/adware/bloatware installer packaged as an OS (AKA: Windblows).
toolzgalore2
Yeah dude with all of the rootkits that games install these days to "prevent cheating" is absolutely abhorrent
fnoigy
Oof, haven't heard "Windblows" since.... 2004 when I was obsessed with my PowerMac G4 MDD?
Xephier
Image searched that thing, yep, it's exactly what I thought. I considered those things for about a minute, until I saw the price tag. Total ripoff. That's ultimately why M$ won the OS wars, and Mac was barely a contender. Cuz crApple got too greedy. and also their advertising slogans were stupid. You could do anything on windows, and it was built for gaming, but Mac's big plus was 'photo editing'... ooooh! Lol... 2-3g for a Mac, when you could build a better PC for 1k. Mac jus looked fancy.
MarkoClassicGaming
I've been using various Debian based distros since 2005 and those were easier to manage than Manjaro. Problems I have run into though are lots of applications I use are not quite caught up with Linux so I am still using Windows primarily on my desktop and Debian on my laptop.
Xephier
oops, didn't realize I already replied to this post, lol.
Xephier
Not me, though to be fair, I don't really game so much these days. I gotta say though, in the way of applications, most have open source versions that are not only free, but often just as good, if not better.
Xephier
Which applications? I did recently, as I made the meme above, realize that Gimp has come leaps and bounds from what it used to be. I was afraid that there wouldn't be a decent, easy art application for editing images, but gimp seems decently featured. There's some things that I'm sure Linux is still lacking, like, Autodesk Maya (imho, one of the most featured and simple to navigate 3d modeling programs), but there's always Wine as well, haven't tried it, heard it works.
MarkoClassicGaming
I missed this post. I use OBS for streaming and it is not quite up to date with the windows release and some of the devices I use are not well supported. Most games work well through Proton though. I use gimp regularly even at work it really has come a long way. Mostly OBS and my capture card are keeping me from going Linux on my main PC though. Otherwise I love Debian Bookworm on my laptop and most other servers I run.
Xephier
I could see a more fringe hardware like capture cards being less supported than graphics cards and such that everyone uses. Especially since most people would just use capture software, or native PS5 video editing/upload if using PS5; might be more required for Xbox, since, iirc, XB has crappy capture options, like 30 seconds at 4k, and not a great built-in editor either. But as for the streaming software, I think there's other, maybe even better streaming software for Linux.
Xephier
unless you need to use OBS cuz it's the only one that will work with your card, or upload to specific sites/platforms.
MarkoClassicGaming
I would have to see what's out there as far as streaming software. OBS is what I am used to and integrates nicely with most platforms but I'm sure there are others for Linux. My capture card is a Black Magic Design Intensity Pro card and I use it for my Retrotink to capture from older consoles like NES and such. This card isn't even well supported on the latest kernels so it's a bit tricky to get going. I think a new capture card in the future is probably my best bet.
grosscol
Going with an Arch distro is always more _intense_ in the build and maintenance, but you can fine tube the heck out of it. Have you tried a Debian distro like Ubuntu or Mint?
Xephier
Eh.. Tbh, I had a lot more headache with Fedora than I've had with Manjaro. Manjaro is tame in comparison. Also, Fedora seemed to be a lot more stupid when it came to requiring a password for stuff, I rarely have to enter a password in Manjaro in contrast. As for Ubuntu, of course I've heard of it, not sure how anyone that even has a mild interest in Linux could not have heard of Ubuntu, but I steered clear for 2 reasons, A: Too mainstream/in the spotlight.
Xephier
Things that get that popular tend to attract skeevy corporate types that will inject adware/spyware/bloatware, and do anything they can to 'own' it, even if they literally can't own it. That said, I also wanted something open-ended that allows for maximum customizability. I didn't just want another windows clone. Yep, I've had my headaches with it, but I'm sticking it out, unless I need to move to something more stable for Local AI training.
kyzentun
I always take a laugh break when apt searches for a way to upgrade everything safely, and decides the first thing on the list is to uninstall itself.
Xephier
Lol.. Sad thing is, I'm not 100% sure if you're being facetious or not. Even with the meme, I was stretching it a little bit, but not too far off. Linux is mental when it comes to dependencies, and how it handles them..
kyzentun
I have actually seen apt and aptitude put themselves on the list of things to remove multiple times over the years. Maybe I go too long between safe-updgrades.
Xephier
To be fair, when an upgrade is so likely to break everything, it can be nerve racking to hit that upgrade button. Especially if you have any hardware that does not explicitly support Linux, and you went outta your way to some repo deep on Github just to make it work, than ya gotta fear an update will screw with the dependencies required for the thing that took you days to get working..
kyzentun
Nah, I don't have anything like that, I'm just lazy.