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I laughed at him and refused to sign it. He lost his shit and I recorded the whole thing with my phone. His boss found that very interesting
Apr 28, 2025 8:14 PM
norcebyl
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I laughed at him and refused to sign it. He lost his shit and I recorded the whole thing with my phone. His boss found that very interesting
JerBearington
Favorited to hear the follow up!
DukeSliscus
There is absolutely an appropriate way to say no to the boss and it's important for new employees to learn that.
evilgendo
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StormBurnX
I really wish I could afford to do this, but alas. picking between an absusive work environment and homelessness/starvation is really popular these days
RockKickass
What did he say no to? Was it part of his job?
Urgalicity
Federal Code Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act, retaliation for reasonable action to defray a Hostile Work Environment.
Urgalicity
https://www.eeoc.gov/retaliation
DrakeMaillardReaction
RUFingKiddingMe
Your boss is weak.
SilentTox
This is also a reminder you can just not sign write ups and ignore stupid shit tossed your way
TimmyTimm
Roqinn
There's a new guy where I work that cleans the floors. He came over to my building to scrub all the floors and he's half way through when the shift supervisor calls him back to the main building. I told the guy that he has orders that are from the supervisors boss and those take precedence. The guy tells me that he can't say no to the supervisor. I said yes you can. You just tell him that you have orders from HIS boss that come first and you will over when that's done.
He wouldn't do that.
freakdiablo
Some people shouldn't be in management. With my last boss, there were times the whole team would collectively say, "no, that's stupid". Instead of doing the logical thing and asking, "what should we do then?" He'd stomp his foot, say just do it, and storm off.
LespritDeLescalier22
Always remember: hr is there to protect the company. Not you.
DukeDarkwood
Absolutely true. But they will side with you over management if it is safer for the company to do so. (The primary factor usually being how loud a whistle you can blow if they dismiss your claim.)
Of course, that leaves you in the position of working for a boss who will never forget you successfully defied them.
Sasurau
Yet one among the many reasons I'm glad I'm Union
2dollars15cents
My boss is an awesome guy, but can get a little intense sometimes. We all teach the newbies how to handle him. Things like, don’t take it personally, own up to your mistakes, and communicate important things. I think he actually appreciates that we do that. He really is a good guy. Just…moody sometimes.
ImgurDemonym
No matter who is toxic here, making enemies of your boss is a good way to lose a job. If you're having these types of difficulties you should start looking for a new one.
normalizebeingalone
I train staff, my boss and supervisor 100% agreed that we lost a great employee due to bad boundaries and overwork outside of their assigned responsibilities. I told her before she quit she needed to start saying No to things she is asked for. Those same supervisors and boss said it would be Insubordination if she said no... she quit that year. Im like what.
ChaoticEnigma1121
You did the right thing. Respect.
Fanner50
I taught people at a POS company (that was trying to get into a regulated industry) that they weren’t allowed to perform work that they weren’t trained on, and the training must be documented.
Oh, certain bosses hated that.
mouseasw
Are you saying the company was a piece of shit, or they did stuff with points of sale? Or were themselves a point of sale ie a brick and mortar store?
Fanner50
Company was total Piece of shit. I think we were expected to be happy if the CEO got a huge bonus, while we barely got raises.
Jagernott
I had a boss try to write me up for giving another employee my copy of the union agreement. He pointed to the part that says only the Shop Steward can advise employees on union matters.
The irony that he didn't have said Steward present for this disciplinary action was not lost on me or the union.
Nnoodles
EZ PZ. Don't train other people
ReaperCDN
This is why Canada is in a trade crisis right now. The people who refuse to train other people are setting us all up for failure. We need to provide an incentive bonus to people instructing others so that people both want to do it, and don't have, "You don't pay me to train others," as an answer to use <-- because that's a legitimate answer.
Nnoodles
I've been in the position of "being too good at my job to promote," and "irreplaceable" only to topped out in a salary that the company deemed too much and then training a replacement that obviously wont be as good, but good enough.... IF an apprenticeship program had incentives to journeymen, perhaps it might fix the problem, but I think the issue is an aging workforce AND disinterested youth.
Autittuderp
We are employees, not chattle. We have autonomy and if we ever are uncomfortable or it's not apart of our job description...No is a full sentence.
Eldis
The corporate, the current American leadership, and every single one of the 0,1% most richest people view you as chattel, and currently, the American laws don't matter since jurisdiction is based mostly on judges of which a sizable portion will happily side with the corporate side.
It's not nearly as bleak in Europe. It's even worse in China or India. For the vast majority of world, unfortunately, most people are viewed as slaves.
Autittuderp
I'm glad I have the emotional intelligence to understand what others think of me...is none of my business. It's their fantasy or dillusion. Everyone needs to get on board.
ElbowDeepInAGoblin
*delusion ...And yeah, they can be made to get on board but people have to bother exercising their own agency and power and they seem to be proper shit at that. Seeing a lot of 'Actually, my job description says they can steal my time.', well, why the fuck did you agree to that...
Autittuderp
Thanks for that correction, I didn't bother with the red line lol
We are a bunch of folks running around being led by our subconscious and conditioning. Needing some self awareness work out there.
3rdoption
That's just a plain gamble that the boss's boss will side with you. Hope it pays off.
ReaperCDN
They need you to do the work. When you're in a position that can say no, it's because you aren't a disposable body. They need to actually listen to your expertise.
impotence
Everyone is replaceable. Never believe you're not.
ReaperCDN
When you're talking about a business, it comes down to cost. If you're worth millions in training and experience, that's a sunk cost. You're weighing the no against the feelings of a manager who thinks they can dispose of an asset at will. That's not a hard equation to balance. That's where the experience comes in. We're not talking flipping burgers or pumping gas where you can go ahead and get your replacement immediately. If you're in a position to say no to your boss, usually it's /1
ReaperCDN
the kind of position where the no is not just warranted, but backed up extensively. Hence the meme above, "Taught a new employee *HOW* to say no to the boss." Because no, not everybody is replaceable, and places very quickly find out just how irreplaceable some people are after making the egotistical mistake of firing the guy who knows everything and realizing, "Oh shit, this place literally runs on their expertise." 2/2
Eldis
You're right, but middle management is often incredibly incompetent, and the top of the line (CEO and ownership) often slaughter companies with mass firings to boost their "net worth" for selling purposes.
resolved
Did you tell the boss no?
EvilMom
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Awmph
some folks' authority is more brittle than other's
spitfires2000
"What part of 'No" did you not understand?"
MagmaCarta
Oh I hope there's a Part 2
Ryebread91
Bradbarian
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philinthecircle
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undSmasher
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Willy171108
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flashums
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DaddyDune
I hope there is a video
toolazytoname
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Roguishpotato
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
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Ffudmethen
If in the US, probably deportation for his ms13 ties
LaffertyDanie1
Job hunting
austinwizardforhire
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StunttheRunt
I just got dirt looks this morning in the brief Monday morning meeting for reminding the boss by law we get 3 consecutive hours to go vote (Canada) as we're off work at 5 and only have 2.5 hours we get off at 430 today. Manager says "boss thinks that's enough time" I just shrugged and said 3 hours is the law but if don't want to give us the time ok. Think they knew breaking the law for half and hour might bite their asses a bit more than they'd like. So they relented.
bobGrimer
This is why Australia has elections on a weekend so more people can attend. It's also super easy to get a mail in vote beforehand.
StarscreamAndHutch
Thank you for voting!
RevengeIsIceCream
Who says they voted? ;)
StunttheRunt
I didn't say it but I did go do it.
TheWarHymn
We need to deport managers like that to the States.
Catheren
Deport them into the sun, or to the Marianas Trench.
ThomasThundersword
ewww no. you have lots of uninhabited islands. send them there. and if you know of any good US islands we can send ours too, i’m open to suggestions! Managers like that make my fucking skin crawl, and were a large part of what made my time as a manager suck, dealing with parasites like that.
StunttheRunt
Feed the polar bears!
imakeeper
We'll probably fucking elect them. Buncha smoothbrains down here.
CaptainRedbeardButOnlyTheBeard
Please no, we are having a hard enough time down here, thank you. Also, congrats on flushing your PP down the toilet.
arumunus
I'm having "May be a polyp, may be cancer" uterus issues. I get a lot of cramps, among other symptoms. I am TRYING to work with my management but they're some of the biggest tools in this tool store.
Anyways I used sick time and called out. SM was pissed cause he had to work. Started demanding I tell him why I called out. Followed me through the whole floor- in front of customers. He would. Not. Stop.
So I spun around and super loudly told him I was bleeding. And cramping. Asked him if that->
arumunus
Made him happy to hear. If that was excuse enough.
His response was "You're yelling." (I'm told I'm aggressive and am on a final for composure..All the older women here are.)
So I told him to keep harassing me. I'll be calling HR and escalating to State if need be.
I called HR. He tried to beat me out and make me seem irrational. One convo with HR though and he got written up.
arumunus
He told under zero circumstances should he ever pry into medical.
So now hes pulling a "I care, my door is always open, let me know what's wrong" bullshit and I just don't even respond to that shit.
God I cant stand him.
Qualtagh
I hope you get a better boss and your uterus stops being an asshole. Tons of bleeding and pain for me turned out to be fibroids, FYI.
arumunus
Thanks friend. I'm sorry you had to go through that yourself.
Got an appointment in a little over a week that might hopefully let me know what it is.
CaveJohnsonHatesLemons
Remember kids: If it's not in your employee handbook and you're not being compensated to do the work, do not do it. Businesses understand that they do not do work for free for clients, so you should not do work for free for your business.
Also if they try to force you, you can sue them <3 jobs are not allowed to require "anything that we ask you to do" as their work requirement. On purpose. Because that would be lunacy.
DrSleepyPhZzz
Job and compensation changes usually happen on an annual (or maybe biannual (2x/year)) basis. Don't wait for certain job title to gain reps in tasks that you are looking to grow in, especially if you are at a small company that has a certain need. In my experience, companies are looking to promote those with initiative who are fast learners.
Eldis
The problem is the corporation likely has deep pockets to fight any law suits, and people are living paycheck to paycheck, or even using credit (loans) to get groceries, so there's very little most people can do to fight back aside from organising unions.
Durtschi
Serious question. I'm a therapist. I'm planning on bringing on an intern at some point. When I was an Intern, I was unpaid. I don't want to do that.
There's a Lot of things I have to do as a business owner that doesn't bring in money but is needed to make the business work. If I'm trying to teach someone how to become a therapist, and possibly business owner. How do I put everything they'd need in the handbook? It would be like war and peace and likely still miss things
DrSleepyPhZzz
For a new business/start up company, there will be unknown unknowns and in all likelihood the types of tasks that need doing will change frequently. Interns are best hired when 1: you want to provide management practice to non-managerial employees and/or 2: when you potentially want to hire them. Not best to give interns mission critical work. Also consider also hiring an associate therapist or an executive assistant (either could be temp) if looking to get critical work done.
bobGrimer
They usually have a clause "anything we ask you to do, within reason" to cover that sort of thing.
ThedawningofWankershim
Yeah sadly though most jobs have something along the lines of "your job is whatever the manager tells you to do" tucked away in the handbook somewhere
ShoggothTree
I think that depends on what country you're working in, "And Any Other Duties As Assigned" is pretty common boilerplate in the US. But the compensation part holds up outside of overtime exempt positions, which are a bit different.
sirleoiii
I worked at a place where I took over the duties of the QC department while the CEO was starting to push the company to take larger and larger custom orders. These orders were all based on us having a QC department. We did not have a QC department, we had me, and me doing QC was "and other duties as required."
DoctorScoutBobTotoBarkingtonIII
For no additional payment and definitely not in alignment with the cost of staffing an entire QC department i imagine
sirleoiii
While the pay wasn't bad, I also got no raises in 3 years. When I mentioned that once, my manager went in and found my old paychecks and said I was getting paid more ... because I was working more hours. It was supposed to be a 40 hour normal work schedule and I was often working more than 14 hours a day, 6-7 days a week. He would often do things like that, spend time in the middle of the day to find some way to be right about something someone said. Still not my worst boss.
PorneliusHubertII
I had to sit down for an hour and explain to my boss this concept. He was unhappy that on a slow day, we had 7 hours of downtime. Our job is all about keeping machines supplied with the material that allows them to run. That day, half of our machines were down and we were low on those materials, so the systems were running low% and vurgin material from silos. Work areas were clean and organized, literally nothing for us to do. I told them I will do work when it's there, but I won't do busy work.
PerrinAybara564
"performing tasks as assigned by management, not exceeding 5% of your standard monthly work time." <- my job description. 1 full day per month can be "assigned by management".
sirleoiii
Man, that language would have helped me out in a few different jobs. I mentioned it in a different comment, but there was a time where I was the entire QC department while the CEO was selling us as having a very accurate and well trained QC department and ... I was a traveling installation tech.
Sayagain
24 hours then?
PerrinAybara564
No, it's a bit more than 8 hours. 1/20 days = 5%
gablestout
By employee handbook do you mean the job description? The employee handbook is usually the rules and guidelines employees follow, not the rules for what tasks employees do.
Sooner70
Laughs in military.
Mostlydeadpool
That's different. you've sold yourself to the government for 4-20 years. the usual rules don't apply as much.
Subtilico
Even then there are limits.
Sooner70
They can literally knowingly send you to your death. That's totally inbounds. Kinda puts the "limits" in perspective.
CaveJohnsonHatesLemons
Not really as it isn't lied about. You did sign a more legal than legal level contract to do it, violations punishable by law.
This is why I always preach the maladies of the military. It sucks that it even has to exist but given how humans are you can't just be unprepared for the worst case scenario.
You're a mercenary backed in contract by the government of the country you live in. You're signing away all your power. It's bad.
sendbobsandvageneiguess
Programs. Soooo many programs
Subtilico
I have no idea, never been in the military.
Alektrauniccountermeasures
You obviously don't live in a "right to work" state in the US
psych0bunneh
"Right to work" means that you cannot be required to join a union or pay dues in order to work a job.
"At will" means that employment can start and stop at any time either the employer or employee chooses.
JestersWing
"Not allowed to require.." YET. The US is backsliding to the 15th century as fast as the fascists can manage.
ElbowDeepInAGoblin
Oh, they're gonna be pissed when they reach the 1400s and singular 'they' is still a thing.
flavivsaetivs
Hey don't insult the 15th century like that.
Kehy
Back then European farmers/lower classes had around 140 holidays a year and frequently traveled in the seasons when they didn't need to tend fields
JestersWing
I'm just talking regulations, health quality, safety, quality of life, and women's rights.
Kehy
Funny enough most of those weren't as terrible as you might imagine, other than women's rights. There was actually a ton of regulation for things like food and dry goods, as those were controlled by guilds. Many roads were maintained by order of kings, and towns inherently benefitted from having good infrastructure- and they knew it.
Even things like food was pretty tasty and wholesome as they made use of the seasonings and spices available (and there were a great many available)
JestersWing
"Weren't as terrible as [I] might imagine."
Would you go so far as to claim they were good? They might not have been fiendishly horrific, but they certainly weren't up to today's standards.
While we live a comparatively soft life now, I have no intention of having to forage for my food, nor risk, " maybe I can eat this?"
Badprenup
Yeah because that was the best idea the church and the wealthy landowners could think of to keep their local peasants, essentially slaves, from revolting in response to the backbreaking labor and other cruelties they faced daily. If they could have done the same work year round those lower classes would have gotten maybe half that, or less.
Kehy
I mean I'm including the tradies- smiths, stone workers, carpenters, ect. in that group, and they could certainly work year round. There was also reasonably widespread literacy and education in that group as well (you really don't want to fuck up project estimates and invoices to a lord or king).
flavivsaetivs
That's not how it really worked. Many of those days were effectively for them to manage their own food supply, gardens, animals, etc. They were only required to work their Lord's fields a certain number of days.
Kehy
Travel was still very extensive, and inevitably they had to take time away from any of their work to go on pilgrimage. Given the rate of travel, that would have to be a considerable time, especially if they wanted to hit up every monastery and chape that claimed to have the toenails of St. Angelica or whomever
flavivsaetivs
Very few lower-class individuals bound to their lord went on any long-distance pilgrimage in the middle ages. These people were the equivalent of indentured servants, contractually bound to the land and their lord.