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Johnny5dicks
Things like non-ADA compliant sites make me realize how few devs care about syntactically correct markup. They mess up the simplest part.
slipmagt
Not all heros wear capes.
ohnonotthatagain
Back in the day I'd do that too, sometimes using a tool like Front Page or Dreamweaver. I was called a Webmaster.
Jhecht
I mean, that's generally what I do for a quick design now. I'll use Parcel or something to get everything setup and get it how I like it.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
How else do you build a Mechwarrior 2 clan page with pixely burning torch graphics?
jeenyus
I'm not sure what is weirder to me, that this would make it to the #1 spot or that people still use Ember
HateEqually
Stickman300
I bet he was using notepad
Fairdinkums
These comments
Z3roCo0l
You all need a GUI? LMAOOOOO!
princesssmartypants
When I started at my current job they asked me which GUI I preferred...I said "The terminal."
MisterTangerineMan
Nerd!!! I love it
Blillingsly
I learned HTML from MySpace... get at me I’ll fight I don’t care
ourari
I bet it loaded fast too, and didn't spy on its users.
dragonsalsa
I'd rather write html on paper, scan it into a pdf then convert that into a word doc then convert that to plain text than use ember
Lynne22
Guys. This is the only way I know how to do it. What do I do instead? I’m serious.
ProfessorTorCoolguy
Personally, for simple websites, I use a static site generator like Middleman or Hugo. I'd give them a look. They can save you some time 1/2
ProfessorTorCoolguy
If you're building a complex enough web application, then take a look at Vue.js or React. But the learning curve can be steep. 2/2
kslickgaming
Frontpage 98 all the way
pushingchildrenintotraffic
Fucking crazy how someone making a ui would decide to do so without using the same framework as everyone else. Jolly g willikers
TheMeatIncident
sometimes sarcasm is superfluous
pushingchildrenintotraffic
I don’t know what those words mean so I’m going to take them as an insult
aTokenOfMyExtreme
I like your style
invinuit350
You think you're tough ? I write all my code in nano with putty. ALL. ALWAYS.
znuff
lol, nano peasant. Vim master race.
invinuit350
I bow to my ancestors.
mmmat
Exactly. I would also, reluctantly, have accepted emacs. I thought nano was for children?
MaxKorban
You think he was psycho writing raw HTML? He could have been using FrontPage. You have no idea how sane he was.
SemperFiZero
This is how we learned in the 90s. I still do it that way sometimes.
TI99Kitty
"That's how dad did it, that's how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far."
StarscreamAndHutch
Notepad then Textpad and FTPVoyager. HTML and PERL in the 90s. Still do it that way now. Just not PERL. Get off my lawn!
n0gal
say qq("Love PERL") or die;
IAmACyberneticOrganismLivingTissueOverEndoskeleton
In a text editor, not even sublime or bb edit
brannana
Pico or gtfo.
plainoldfool
I used to poo-poo VS Studio but goddamn I've learned to appreciate it. But I also use Textpad and Notepad++ on the regular as well
n0gal
https://xkcd.com/378/
breakingcode
And his page loads 14 seconds faster.
thespyisdead
You really don't need frontend rendering. Everything can be done in the backend
Tariovic
You are evil, and you must be destroyed.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
And if you use proper caching at the server its even fast as fuck (depends on what you need ofc)
prepeymad
As a beginner, what would one need to start building a website?
bthemills
Guess it depends, are you looking to be a website developer, or just get your own website up and going?
ourari
FreeCodeCamp
princesssmartypants
Check out this curriculum: https://www.theodinproject.com/courses 100% free and regularly maintained.
Johnny5dicks
Freecodecamp
Isaveimages
Start with html, then CSS, then JS. As tool notepad ++ then sublime text. Let your creativity speaks and find the way to realize your idea.
thefucksnotgiven
Visual Studio Code or Sublime Text are good IDEs for HTML and CSS.
ChallengerDeep
Learn about how the web works first. What is a request, how it travels from the user's PC to the server and back again, what is http.
idontevenknowsillymonkey
I guess it depends what kind of website you want to make....making simple pages in HTML is really easy to learn and if done properly they 1/
idontevenknowsillymonkey
don't exactly look like shit (especially if you use frames). For Dummies has a really good book on HTML IIRC. 2/2
IllusivePanda
In notepad type hello world save as a .html and open in a browser. Boom, 1st website
Snotty128
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
For some motivation learning js: https://play.elevatorsaga.com/
pushyourluck
Wow!
moitorrijos
I heard you don't even need the body tag anymore.
MisterTangerineMan
Well technically the DOM will generate one for you, but why wouldn’t you?
TI99Kitty
Wait, really? (feels old)
TheFirstAvailableUsername
Deadmanwalkn
Meh, that's just a local webpage. I don't consider it a website until it's at least hosted somewhere you can access regardless of comp used
IllusivePanda
They asked where one would start and starting from the absolute basics would be square 1.
TI99Kitty
Exactly. Web hosting is for AFTER you write the page. And save it. Don't forget to save it. In plain-text format, with .htm or .html ext.
kilomasu
There might be something nice on codeacademy, too!
The22ndDoctor
https://www.w3s/html/">https://www.w3schools.com/html/chools.">/html/">https://www.w3schools.com/html/a> https://notepad-plus-plus.org/ https://www.hostingadvice.com/how-to/free-web-hosting/ (free start at 6)
MegaDeuce
I recommend Atom instead of notepad++
comacomacomacomachameleon
a text editor of some kind, HTML/CSS for the content and styling, JavaScript for interactive elements.
prepeymad
Ok
WeCouldAllGoPeeTogether
Those are all great places to start. Learn the basics and get good at them. Then look at a server-side language or two.
RunicRasol
Honestly I wasn't aware there WERE other ways to make websites until i had been doing it in notepad, by hand for months. Ahh the late 90s
somnif
When your other options were things like the bloated monstrosity generator FrontPage, you learned to love notepad.
HenryFondle
I know what you're thinking.. did he use 5 's in this row or just 6? Well to tell you the truth, I lost track myself...
imgursample
Wrote my first website for $$ on a bar napkin at Hooters in 1996.
bootninja
in the late 90's there really wasn't any other good way to do it.
hankdogg
WYSIWYG editors were so buggy back then and injected tons of redundant code; much cleaner and easier to troubleshoot doing it by notepad
hankdogg
Or BBEDIT/Notepad++ rather
alexburgers
Certainly not Frontpage or Word, the garbage code that came outta that.. Bleh.
hankdogg
Nested tables for everyone! This gets a table! This gets a table!
n0gal
Don't make us remember dreamweaver.
ISayShenanigans
You have to EARN Dreamweaver. If you jump in without knowing code, you're gonna have a bad time.
The22ndDoctor
Use Notepad++ Highlights for about 30 - 40 different languages.
TI99Kitty
Eh, Notepad was all I needed for no-frills plain-text files. Sure, the font it uses is ugly, but It got the job done.
RunicRasol
Haven't done any website work since College... CSS was a shock to me. I used to make sites on Angelfire
SomeDetroitGuy
You mistyped Visual Studio Code.
PenguinPete
These are all some funny exotics names for EMACS.
michaeloberg
Emacs is best for code/run/debug cycle, vim for text editing
netharia
:q
SomeDetroitGuy
Oh, god no. This isn't 1997 anymore.
PenguinPete
My favorite vim command is "Esc-:! sudo apt-get install emacs".
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I use ++ for my pl/sql. Love it.
SomeDetroitGuy
Try VS Code.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I will. I was given admin rights to my laptop, so I don't need to put in a ticket either.
duhleted
Atom and sublime text blow it away at this point.
SomeDetroitGuy
Both vastly inferior to VS Code
duhleted
Debatable
SomeDetroitGuy
Try it.
phalanks
Use VS Code. It's like Notepad++ on steroids, then you learn about extensions. Good middle ground between a heavy ide and sublime/notepad++
Deadmanwalkn
Brackets is a great tool too
skeletalfury
Agreed, I usually abhor MS products, but VSCode is solid. I moved from Atom about a year ago, and aside from a couple hiccups with some 1/
skeletalfury
3rd party packages, my experience has been overwhelmingly positive. Featureful enough to be useful, but still let’s me do what I want to.
DopeChicken
I'm 34, I have no idea how to code. I imagine that Java is to HTML as PowerPoint is to hand drawn animation. Is this an appropriate analogy?
zuken
Java is to HTML as PowerPoint is to Excel. They do completely different things.
HypnagogicHallucinations
No. Hey, you asked.
n0gal
HTML isn't code, it's just markup. Closer to editing a wikipedia entry than anything.
TI99Kitty
Wait... so, HyperText Markup Language is markup, not code?
n0gal
Dude was genuinely asking. Not everybody needs to know how computers work. I'm a systems engineer. I don't think a plumber is dumb if they
n0gal
can't use gcc to debug a segmentation fault. I might if he can't replace a solenoid, but I don't expect anybody to just know how
n0gal
computers work unless there's a good reason for them to know. Don't be a dick.
ThatAwesomeStarfish
You’re a psychopath if you use one of those frameworks, when plain and simple html would do the trick.
znuff
What? You mean your "under construction" page/banner doesn't need 200mb of node_modules?! Psycho.
Neoqueto
"Okay, let's start by setting up our dev environment. Step 1: install gentoo"
MisterTangerineMan
Step 83: start writing code
somnif
sgtwhiskeyjack
I see you've used bootstrap
omglandshark
KageroShijima
Oh man...so many closing tags needed ahhh
WeCouldAllGoPeeTogether
I do this every day? Like for years now. Ummm...is this bad?
SomeDetroitGuy
Yes. It is.
TacticalSegway
Develop in a framework; debug and optimize in HTML. That allows you to solve both issues of productivity vs possible performance issues.
BurnieCinders
Bless you and your un-bloated sites.
TheSnacker
I did the same for years! Now that I am looking for a new job, I can say that it is bad. No one wants you without those languages.
GodsFoot
Depends on your salary and living expenses
HugoArtemisRune
Me too. Those frameworks are a pain. Check out vanilla JS framework if you want the best performance.
eazydave
Best for maintaining. Code 13,years old. Easy to edit without the whole site blowing up.
ChrisMorray
If you don't use any javascript then yeah. React was made to make everything smoother.
IconicM
Depends what you're doing...
LP81
I still do this daily... for email... because a significant portion of our client base refuses to stop using old AF browsers/Email Clients.=
GeneralWho
a href says what
TI99Kitty
What?
TI99Kitty
What?
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
http links ? *tztztz*
hadtodownvote1
and missind the :
hadtodownvote1
missing*
GeneralWho
Myrectumhousesasmallindonesianfamily
No, it just means you don't trip over yourself to instantly jump on every new fad bandwagon.
SomeDetroitGuy
That is an odd way of saying "you don't bother to learn new stuff"
bthemills
Like what? Is that a dig at WordPress?
SomeDetroitGuy
No, it's someone yelling at the clouds because tech as passed them by.
MrsRodriguez
Lol, it means your old.
truthsmiles
No. Having a site that doesn't take 20 seconds to load and require a quad-core processor just to scroll is far batter.
bthemills
Pahlease. I build all sites in WordPress and they load plenty quick. It's a lot easier to charge customers for speedy cloud hosting then...
bthemills
for hand-coding a website. Saving 1.5 seconds is negligible compared to what they save and the expandibility of the top open-source CMS.
truthsmiles
It's not the customers I worry about - it's the visitors.
PietroAretino
No. Well built websites for the most part always have some manual HTML/php/JavaScript coding. WordPress is a virus sex party
Neoqueto
No, it's just not trendy. Components in React allow for non-repetitive code (faster dev). If there's no client-server talk, then that's it.
anengineerandacat
Not bad, just likely means your building static sites or ones not requiring client side off-loading or a PWA app.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
No, that just means non js user can use your site and it won''t waste bazillion of mb ram.
TI99Kitty
SlowClap.gif
Dapro1
Nope, imgur is just very stupid
Dapro1
The profession “web developer” and the college courses for it wouldn’t exist if those websites did the same thing
Dapro1
These votes are completely contradictory lol...
Dapro1
the votes on these two comments is a good example
MissMistressMisery
Little did you know the psychopath within
FlavorIntensifies
We are all a little psychopathic
ValentineN
Just means it will survive long for so long, people will always call it outdated.
TheWhiteBarry
I do the same whenever possible. Dependency hell is worse in js than any other language I've used so sticking with the basics is a good call
Deadmanwalkn
React/vue/etc and jquery don't really create dependency hell. It's all the other shit ppl like to add
SoftwareEngineerWithNotEnoughSalary
They have ALOT of frameworks that help u build stuff much faster and with nice features out of the box
KoRplussomeletters
Browser-based WYSIWYG editors can go and die in every possible fire of hell.
daftthoughts
Not every site/client needs a CMS, and not every CMS provides nice clean code by default for their layouts.
coffeeismyfriend
Heh “faster”
dedpan
No, you make the web tolerable.
SomeDetroitGuy
The sites that you prefer aren't done in HTML / CSS / JS
PickleMorty
Nothing would make the web intolerable. It is what it is and here we are
georgedragonslayer
Only bad if you are still using vi. Or vim. I mean, come on. Notepad+ is the way to go! Have some standards people. (I use gedit (....
Kodaxmax
yes. With frameworks like wordpress you can build a working detailed site in an hour, including SEO and attaching the domain.
DontVoteForStupid
CMS bloat. No thanks.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Thought so too, but i just had to set one up, and if you can live with php and running prob. the most attacked platform ever its kinda nice.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Blocking xmlrpc.php and only allow localhost for wp_admin/ + Wordfence plugin takes care of that tho
HugoArtemisRune
WordPress, joomla areagh etc always, always, always cause more pain than their initial 5 min setup. Like. I will phong you pain
bthemills
Maybe if you don't know what you're doing in those platforms. But it also isn't 2010. Those platforms have evolved. (maybe you should too)
HugoArtemisRune
I knew enough about them, and still do, to prefer writing my own. The base frameworks are OK, but when 3ed party plugins start to fail.. :(
Kodaxmax
How so? ive only used them for family,friends, some gaming communities and for a couple IT courses, never had an issue. You can just go into
Kodaxmax
into HTML"mode" or insert custom code at any point, if you need something specific or advanced.
HugoArtemisRune
Yeah probably. Mostly in my job I have to create very bespoke systems where frameworks wouldn't work. I'm just being snooty
ArtOzz
It does seem a bit odd. I mean, I program in java and CPP...there isnt any other way to do it...
WeCouldAllGoPeeTogether
.Net here. I don't see any other way to do it either.
SomeDetroitGuy
Dude, TypeScript.
FlavorIntensifies
I recently did a security code review for a company that wrote a cryptowallet entirely in javascript, 2mil loc with 43% duplication and over
FlavorIntensifies
400k errors, the report was 316mb. Sometimes theres good reason to learn a new language. But I'm with you guys, java c++ and c# have always
FlavorIntensifies
Been there for me
BrazilianThunderPanda
No friend, it means we’re old.
glutenlies
No friend. This makes you skilled
SomeDetroitGuy
React requires dramatically more skill and talent than HTML does.
gakio12
I have to agree with this.
WeCouldAllGoPeeTogether
I'm not old, I have black framed glasses! *hides BASIC book on desk*
OrgasPandaCat
POKE 650, 0
TI99Kitty
Ah, BASIC. From the good old days, back when when Apple computers still ran on MS-DOS.
FlavorIntensifies
I still have my fortran 77 diskettes, but I inherited them in 2000
TI99Kitty
No, it means you actually know how to code, rather than letting a prog or app do it for you.
SomeDetroitGuy
If you think that HTML is coding and something like React isn't then you're a fucking idiot.
TI99Kitty
Not everyone has kept up with webpage design over the last 20 years. I haven't touched HTML since 1997. So forgive the fuck out of me for ->
TI99Kitty
not knowing what tools exist for generating webpages 22 years later.
gakio12
React is programming... It's like a website that you compile in order to ship it.
TI99Kitty
Yeah, I haven't done anything with webpage design for over 20 years, so I was just going by the OP to decide that it was some kind of UI ->
TI99Kitty
doing web design, like AOLPress or FrontPage, where you build the page in an editor, and the prog writes out the HTML in the background.
RepresentativeOfNorway
19 here. Code in HTML... uhhh
BrazilianThunderPanda
What version.
ItsNotASchoonerItsASailboat
33 here. Still code in html. I didnt know there was another way. Wtf is Vue?? Ember? React!?? What? Html editor and an ftp client. Done!
RicheTheBuddha
49 here. Still pissed about IE 6. Still think the automated color coding in code editors is Buck Rogers stuff.
PeekShift
Last fancy editor I recall hearing about was Dreamweaver. For me, web stuff ? Bluefish : emacs; What do you use?
PeekShift
Oops that's not entirely true: geany for Java.
ItsNotASchoonerItsASailboat
I use atom for big projects, notepad for tiny quick ones
plainoldfool
For me, VS Code and Visual Studio
The22ndDoctor
Think "Front Page", but even worse, because as bad as it was, at least Microsoft knew coding.
satanslittleposter
The comparison to front page isn't even remotely apt.
TI99Kitty
Maybe, but hand-coded HTML is more likely compatible with non-MS browsers (as long as you don't use IE-only commands).
WeCouldAllGoPeeTogether
Aren't those all considered hipster javascript frameworks?
whoisqaz
Wait till he sees someone building a geocities site
DickPicEnthusiast
Gopher.
Starwulf99
I more remember angelfire ^^.
CatzEyes93
Lol my first website
aselleus
It still exists in Japan
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
You should have seen my “Mr. T AND Hanson ‘Ate my balls’ “ pages on AngelFire. OC before OC was OC.
idowatiwannado
Omg u r ancient... like me ?
YayItsMillerTime
I won an award for my geocities webpage.... The directions and resources to inoculate and harvest hallucinogenic shrooms was hidden on it
RandomLinkingBook
Notepad HTML and Geocities... My youth making fan websites for games and MIDI files lol
meansweans
I had a Troma movies fan site on Tripod
segat1
Sign my guestbook!! It’s under construction but here’s a gif of a dancing hamster!
Syk0tik0ne
tzahtman
FrontPageIsAHoax
Or tripod (sp)... I built way too many gaming clan sites back in the day there.. I need to get better at bye, but svelte/sapper I like
kevinallover
My yearbook caption has my old geocities url.
CypherSteak
TrixNStix
What was the rival ..? Angelfire or something?
ExogenousDataStructure
RepostApocalyptic
I wish that shit was still around.
HeadJamistan
If you remember your address, it might be on archive.org's wayback machine.
wademcgillis
neocities?
Larirari
I miss all that. What an awesome thing Geocities was... they should bring it back! I feel like it would do great.
netharia
https://archiv">ties.php">https://archive.org/web/geocities.php http://www.oocities.org/ copied from above
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
They did. It was called MySpace.
Larirari
MySpace was totally different.
puttputtscooter
I... Haven't heard that name for so long
netharia
Webrings.
IHaveBeenConfusedForACyberTerrorist
It's neocities now. Full of niche folk that dig the old sites and weird web 1.0 aesthetic.
TheMaskedPharmacist
I hope you’re as excited as I was to discover Neocities. https://neocities.org/
hekubis
.
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
.
ScottyDoesDev
Angelfire
daranutaghenadie1342
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I ran a xxxgirlsxxx page on geocities. I was in jr high.
pegmis
I feel as though this could have an interesting story
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
I just downloaded tons of porn pictures and posted them on the page. I overused and
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
Via: gnutella, morpheus, and kazaa
jaxadam
Netscape Navigator
decarnatedame
I built my first website in pico; might have been for lynx.
deba94
Newgrounds
ShellPhish
lynx
TI99Kitty
That was my browser. I'd sign into AOL, minimize their IE-based interface, and open Netscape. On Windows 3.1.
Tsamane
https://youtu.be/031vKBPk5eA
Syk0tik0ne
Anyone know if there is an archive of the old geocities pages?
Muunk
Try the WayBack Machine. You can lookup almost any website as it looked on any year. Cool stuff.
wantondisregard
https://archiv">ties.php">https://archive.org/web/geocities.php http://www.oocities.org/
Razbora
.
ikagawa
We used Angelfire as a host in my freshman high school Comp Lit class. Good times.
CyranoDeBurlapSack
I made so many dumb ass sites on here. So many. Thought I was the coolest guy ever. Black background with red, purple, and green text.
FireSolvesProblems
Angelfire? That's ringing some dusty old bells.
ravenfool
Angelfire is STILL ACTIVE
StandingOutsideABrokenPhoneBoothWithMoneyInMyHand
Yeah. I occasionally pull up my old site and cringe at what I'd made back in the late 90s, but I learned HTML to make it look decent.
ravenfool
Yep! Back in the days of static pages, sigh.
TatersWhatsTatersPrecious
Theres only so much you can do with only html though.
WeCouldAllGoPeeTogether
Well sure. Then you manipulate that HTML with some CSS and Javascript and you can do a whole bunch more.
Deadmanwalkn
A whole site in js! *shudder*
TI99Kitty
But you can still do quite a bit, and you don't have to worry about standards-compliant browsers not being able to show it properly.
TI99Kitty
(gives side-eye to Internet Explorer)
TI99Kitty
You also have to remember that in those dark ages we're talking about, many of us were accessing the web via 56k-or-less dialup modems,
TI99Kitty
and that webpages with lots of fiddly little js bits to add sparkles and imbedded midi files and other shit made the pages take FOREVER ->
TI99Kitty
to load, while HTML-only pages would load in the kind of time we expect over our broadband connections now.