busterfixxitt
2014
86
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What if we made 'career' a protected term like 'doctor'?
Nov 14, 2024 5:35 PM
busterfixxitt
2014
86
5
What if we made 'career' a protected term like 'doctor'?
BORGALOOGIE
What’s this new word you use here… ‘Pension?’
cousteau
Yeah that's a "hobby" at most.
klaceo
This week on - Looking for a job in the IT field
Looks like we're back - 4 year Degree in Computer science with 10ys experience of XYZ, no exceptions
HufflePuffPuff
I have a degree in Communications, hopped around a bit after graduating but after 10 years in IT I made it to the Director level. Get a couple entry level certs or look for jobs at a small company.
BosunMark
Those + full medical benefits.
woozle
woozle
btw Snopes verified all of those as accurate
bortlp
The thing is, it's kinda true. But you need to understand the difference between work and productivity. Work is going to a job, doing something that has no intrinsic value to you, getting paid the bare minimum no matter how good you are at the work, all while getting other people rich. Being productive is doing a job that has tangible positive effects on you and your life. We gladly play 'doing chore' video games because we get rewards for productivity. Pay me a salary that covers...
bortlp
my and my family's needs, then when the company does well and gets record profits, share that with us. Don't use it for only the shareholders' dividends and stock buybacks. That sends all my productivity elsewhere, and I'm no longer productive for me and my family. Just already rich people getting richer. People don't want to work. They want to be productive.
OutboardOverlord
Some other red flags: Using "personality tests"? Get fucked. Hired interviewers? Get fucked. I've walked out of interviews because of shit like this.
Clockworkdancerobot
Some places are using AI interviews.
OutboardOverlord
Add to the list. Not doing those either. If they have that little respect for their potential employees, I want nothing to do with them.
thevortexmaster
I wish. A living wage here is like $50 an hour. Hardly any career jobs in that case
busterfixxitt
"Any company that cannot pay a living wage has no right to exist."
thevortexmaster
I getcha but that's pretty much every company where I live. If that was the case every company that exists would shutdown. I work for government subsidized non profit. Tell the government to pay all the employees more than $50 an hour. Not gonna happen in my country where I live.
busterfixxitt
I understand that. It's the same in Canada, at the moment.
And it was the same when FDR said it before introducing the New Deal & FORCING corporations to comply. It CAN be done; it HAS been done, & it lead to the kind of prosperity the MAGA crowd yearns for.
Tax the corporations, & the wealthy. Redistribute the wealth they're hoarding. They can afford it.
Seize 99.9% of Musk's wealth & he's lost NOTHING. He's STILL a billionaire afterwards.
thevortexmaster
Hahah no doubt. I'm in BC. It's tough. I owned a restaurant 20 years ago and I barely made more than my employees. It's the worst industry. Imagine how many tacos I'd have to sell to pay 1 employee $6 a month. I'm still in kitchens but it's mad. It costs $300+k a year to run a kitchen with 4 employees and it be non profit. So zero revenue. Selling food to low income seniors that can't pay much for the food. Just paying wages, utilities, food, and repairs is $300+k a year
busterfixxitt
That's why we have stop voting for anyone who isn't a progressive. Austerity politics failed the workers, as those who created it knew it would. But it transferred a shit ton of wealth to the owners.
Volpe42
So I guess being an artist isn't a career
busterfixxitt
🤯Ooh! Fair point. I hadn't considered that.
Waitaminnit; aren't we assuming here that the current system is how things ought to/must be? Why can't being an artist be a career, with a living wage & pension?
I think my rule applies to companies, mainly. Colloquial usage would remain, but Uber, etc. don't get to use the word 'career' or even 'car-eer' b/c they're not.
Volpe42
How do you pay yourself a pension?
busterfixxitt
You wouldn't pay yourself, it would either be funded by a corporate tax-break style program, or funded at some level of government, municipal, provincial, federal, or some combination thereof.
Artist would perhaps be a salaried position, until the artist starts making enough to support their own retirement. Basically patronage.
Volpe42
If you're self employed or wouldn't be a corporate one. And 401k is basically the government one. And most companies I would think invest that money anyway so investing it yourself isn't really different.
busterfixxitt
My thought is that corporations would act as patrons to local artists, supporting them (including with a pension) to create art for the community, in exchange for a tax-break. (Which they really want b/c corporate tax rate would be 70%+).
And I'm talking about pensions, not 401ks. A secured retirement not tied to market volatility.
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Pensions are available to very few professionals. You get a 401K. Company matches 4 to 6%. Compound interest 30 years down the road is what you get and it works for most people.
PatadoX
Fun fact - 401k was devised as a supplement to pensions with the expectation that people would have both when retiring
busterfixxitt
Which makes sense! Choosing to assume the risk involved in investing to supplement the guaranteed pension your company pays for as part of your compensation package.
busterfixxitt
It especially works for companies, who prior to the late 70s, had fixed retirement plans. Pensions USED to be a common part of compensation.
Volpe42
And usually disappear when a company goes out of business
photosforbikeforum
The idea of a pension might work for the car industry for example because the employees predominately are not educated. Those with a college degree tend to no longer spend their entire career at one company. So 401K's are better options. I have put 10% away my entire career. Just pretended i didn't make that money. I should have 3 million by the time i retire and I am not rich.
Volpe42
I'm putting my 10 years in at the postal service to be fully vested in a prefunded pension myself
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