Jan 7, 2023 12:19 PM
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TyrannosaurusDexter
US is a mess in general soo
JeanieGoldWeddingPlanner
That would take 3 years in Wisconsin....
myheartisstarkmyspiritistargaryen
AS a citizen of Chicago, I am embarrassed
thatisntwherethatbelongs
Meanwhile the exit into downtown to my job has been closed for construction for over a year for repaving
TheMightyMoto
Neat
rainingnickles
How the Dutch *place* a tunnel under a highway in one weekend.
youreathing
Step 1 - Have tunnel built already.
Dracology
Step one. Already have a tunnel prepared
JeanPaulMars
Step one: Prepare. Step two: plan carefully. Step 3: Double check and call off the operation if not all is ready.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
You mis-spelled *installed* a prefab tunnel.
skip2112
In Windsor ont Canada they have been building the same over pass for three years now and its half done.. And its a new highway. WHY so long?
BeardOnTheInside
In Colorado Springs, it took them about a year to repair a single 100ft bridge
TheLastSpaceman
In North America, it takes 10 years to put the pylons on the road before construction can begin
zertmaster
We must construct additional pylons.
nojustsayitdont
Once again, they built the tunnel BY the highway, then installed it in one weekend.
TheEvenPrez
Crazy how Nature do dat
Boksha
As opposed to other infrastructure projects in the Netherlands, which tend to take like a decade to finish.
madjo
We don't talk about the noord zuid lijn. Amsterdam does things differently anyway
minnowme
Eindhoven de gekste!
QueefMalone
And to think they're all wearing steel-toed these.
BklynPunisher
I have an authentic pair and they’re not that uncomfortable. I wouldn’t want to wear them for 8 hrs though.
TheFunGuyinOz
Repost ... so many times a repost... sigh.
DoseOfScience
But won't somebody think of the contractors paychecks? /sass
DarkRedCape
I wouldn’t worry. There are people supervising this on-site that are probably on 6 or 7 figure salaries a year. Early finish bonus too.
Usually the early finish bonus is distributed equally among all personel involved, and is sometimes just as big as the regular pay check.
justanotherdude6710
There are only 2 things I do not tolerate: those who are intolerant to others races, and the Dutch.
Daemencer
Installed*
prettydumb
dont remind me how corrupt our construction is
lightfoot2
Half a highway, the other lane was in use all weekend. Still, impressive.
masteryoplait
Damn that’s awesome!
KnifeKnut
Presumably next or also weekend they do the other side.
*nod* That's a lot of staging, would probably take a few weeks to prep. Doesn't change the fact that it's amazing work.
bourbonandbaddecisions
After months of planning and engineering.
TheTaoTakesPictures
How do those filthy dutch socialist/communists get stuff like this done so fast?
IAmASentientWaffle
To be fair, capitalist social democracies like in Western Europe are only slightly better than late-stage capitalist America. Long way 2go.
ID1746
They look how we Belgians do it & then do it the opposite way.
"Bloody Belgians ... "
Femkefatale
Hahaha leuke zelfspot
GoAway96
As a Pennsylvania resident. This is a wet dream for us
coolerguy
For me as a Norwegian too! Imagine having highways!
ExquisiteConundrum
Rt 15 in Cumberland and dauphin are still cattle chutes right? Left there 10 years ago. But im guessing it is. Because pa lol.
MickeyTheHound
Right? They took like 8 years to change two off ramps on a highway!
samanthathecat
They’ve been ‘fixing’ 202 since I moved here
Muunk
That's a store-bought tunnel.
PicassoCT
The tunnel at home..
is full of musky teslas driving like in a traffic jam..
AGiantSlor
If you don't have homemade tunnel store bought is fine.
Aksuuuh
It's Ikea TÖNNEL
idonthaveauser
Ikea is a dutch company, so maybe yes.
redsmerf
...Swedish.
BorkasonBork
The founder who was born in sweden had a big fight with swedish tax authorites in the 70s and in protest he moved ikea hq to holland.
subject6661
What? Ikea's swedish
xtav
Huh... TIL "Ikea is a Swedish multinational conglomerate based in the Netherlands" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA
BigAndChunkyDane
It’s based in NL for it to be owned by a foundation. It’s a legal work around in order for no-one to own it.
UmAcshually
It's complex. It's legally in the Netherlands and has its HQ in the Netherlands. It's completely valid to call it a dutch company even if >
it was originally founded in Sweden. On the other hands, it has a lot more employees in Sweden (*especially* compared to populations of the>
ricpaul
Meanwhile we're locked in our Dutch town because they closed off highway access indefinitely, the raising bridge is out (since May 10th) >
kleinkaasje
Waar?
Rozenburg ZH, Calandbrug: open is mopperende bevolking, dicht is claim van bedrijven. Dus hij staat open... (Pont is ander verhaal).
and the ferry has broken down 4 months ago and apparantly they cannot use the other one that broke >3y ago to fix it. So not that impressed.
TheS4ndm4n
You can still fierljep
MrHappySmiles
They rely on dykes to not flood by the sea. You know their engineering laughs at the rest of the world’s bufoonery.
Dikes*
"Dykes" is harsh. I believe they prefer to be called "ladies in comfortable shoes".
DidIleavemynobelprizehere
Gooodmorning Vietnaaaammm!
tinyfootprints
Reminds me of a story of a Dutch boy who stuck his finger in a dyke and saved the whole country. It boggles the imagination.
Titweasel
Some say it wasn't a boy but a man. And it wasn't a finger.
NJCabinetGuy
In the US .... that would detour traffic and take 18 months.
cheeseguy3412
More like 4 years in STL, assuming they don't run out of funding and let it sit for another 4 just for fun
HallReiser
My city has been working on a roundabout for almost 4 months now wtf.
MeshHatMafia
I know a few road workers. Apparently it’s mostly politics and meetings that hold things back. They also say ALOT of heavy equipment
Operators, are lazy as fuck and are prema donnas
Geistbar
Boston needed either 16 or 25 years depending on your view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig
farfarawaysaway
I mean it was a huge project, lot more than just one tunnel
Yeah I know, but I'm limited to 140 characters here! It was a big project but relative to resources available it wasn't 832+ times bigger.
JuliaLoveStar
3 years in Germany
NeonMaui99
18yrs
MrRogersNeighborhood
I25 has been under lane expansion for the 5 years I've lived in the area.
Firsthope
Mainly bc the ‘bid’ system we use to make sure someone’s well-connected cousin gets the contract ensures inefficiency.
Myrani
Yeah, but the Dutch has the advantage, they are already below sea level!
brotherbuzz
...for the permitting.
aquietwhyme
18 months is being generous. There was something similar in my hometown in VA that ultimately took 9. Years. Not exaggerating, 9 years.
And that’s if your lucky.
DWGifWrecker
Same in germany
vetteritt64
Also in good ole germany
Smigions
To plan and 4 years to put in place.
lifelemons
Years. 18 years.
Hawkgirl203
Big dig. Boston.
SirSnickleFritz
My company transferred my to one of our other shops. Been working on a bridge the three years I've been uo here. Have to redo it again 1/2
Because a few months back the asphalt they layered down is already failing catastrophically in places..
LebronJamesDean
H3 in Hawaii is only 15 miles long and took 37 years to complete.
AtmaDarkwolf
u mean anywhere in north america. LOL this is one aspect of life we are no better at than the USA (Canada here)
although 18 months is a 'rush job'
VodkaReindeer
Or teflon and soap https://www.seeker.com/dish-soap-helps-slide-new-bridge-into-place-1765591679.html
zerothealien
Theres a freeway near me thats been under construction since i was born, im almost 30 now
ProphetofEntropy
cause the people in charge are dumb or corrupt and dont put completion time clauses in the outline for the contracts.
modis
You might fill a pothole in that time.
mdubs123
Yeah because we can’t interrupt traffic for it. They shut down the whole area for this
PragmaticPrimate
no they didn't, they keep a lane in the back to keep traffic running
MoschopsUK
I'm sure I've seen plenty of road closures and detours in the US.
Laughs for decades in Pennsylvania Turnpike.
wickedcor
Aye 476 took forever for one extra lane.
donorkort
Danish government agreed on a 24 km expansion of the Funen highway in 2003. They're still building almost 20 years later.
What: The Danish?! Damn if the Danes can’t handle it what hope is there for us?
Government projects going way over both time and monetary budget is the norm here. We have just expanded a tram system in the biggest cities
-> which breaks down every time leaves hit the tracks or it gets around the freezing point... in a country with 6 years of Autumn. 10/10
KitchenClean
Laughs for scores in Chicago 290/90/94 interchange.
IIRC, 25 years for one project in Tacoma
bestness
Spokane north south free way has been under construction since the 50’s
Strictly speaking, they started actual work in 2001.
GoDownToTheStoreGetSomeViagraAndItllHelpYouGoFYourself
Can confirm. But they did/are finally getting some work done.
miraclemaxcoc
Project deadlines are set by the municipality paying for the project. Most of the time they pick lower costs over lower time.
which often just balloons costs cause inflation is a thing and the problem to be fixed is actively costing the community money...
Hyndisfox
Time is money. A project that takes 10 years is 10 years of payroll, and is more expensive than the shorter project.
EdwardHarley
That's basically the socioeconomic Boots Theory.
Same goes for huge IT projects
wildwestpb
Fast, Cheap, or Good - you get to pick two, and lose one.
fr0stbyte124
Between 0 and 1 of those in my experience.
except you can totally still get long, shitty and expensive road work, specially if the locale is corrupt or incompetent.
It’s government work, there’s always going to be monetary and/or chronological waste.
WaitUmmmWhat
18 months just to put out the cones before the project starts...
bushmuncher
????
ziralien
Then they'll grade the spot with stone and take another 24 months to do anything more.
FritoParadise
And after it's done they'll put cones back up every night for another 9 months for no apparent reason. Been dealing with that in CO w/ I-25
WVGleeman
You guys are getting cones? We get a blinking sign 5 miles before the site that no one pays attention to and an all stop at the scene.
NATA5
We got both. But the sign sign said construction starts March 4th but it’s already august.
Oh this hits close to home
TyrannosaurusDexter
US is a mess in general soo
JeanieGoldWeddingPlanner
That would take 3 years in Wisconsin....
myheartisstarkmyspiritistargaryen
AS a citizen of Chicago, I am embarrassed
thatisntwherethatbelongs
Meanwhile the exit into downtown to my job has been closed for construction for over a year for repaving
TheMightyMoto
Neat
rainingnickles
How the Dutch *place* a tunnel under a highway in one weekend.
youreathing
Step 1 - Have tunnel built already.
Dracology
Step one. Already have a tunnel prepared
JeanPaulMars
Step one: Prepare. Step two: plan carefully. Step 3: Double check and call off the operation if not all is ready.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
You mis-spelled *installed* a prefab tunnel.
skip2112
In Windsor ont Canada they have been building the same over pass for three years now and its half done.. And its a new highway. WHY so long?
BeardOnTheInside
In Colorado Springs, it took them about a year to repair a single 100ft bridge
TheLastSpaceman
In North America, it takes 10 years to put the pylons on the road before construction can begin
zertmaster
We must construct additional pylons.
nojustsayitdont
Once again, they built the tunnel BY the highway, then installed it in one weekend.
TheEvenPrez
Crazy how Nature do dat
Boksha
As opposed to other infrastructure projects in the Netherlands, which tend to take like a decade to finish.
madjo
We don't talk about the noord zuid lijn. Amsterdam does things differently anyway
minnowme
Eindhoven de gekste!
QueefMalone
And to think they're all wearing steel-toed these.
BklynPunisher
I have an authentic pair and they’re not that uncomfortable. I wouldn’t want to wear them for 8 hrs though.
TheFunGuyinOz
Repost ... so many times a repost... sigh.
DoseOfScience
But won't somebody think of the contractors paychecks? /sass
DarkRedCape
I wouldn’t worry. There are people supervising this on-site that are probably on 6 or 7 figure salaries a year. Early finish bonus too.
JeanPaulMars
Usually the early finish bonus is distributed equally among all personel involved, and is sometimes just as big as the regular pay check.
justanotherdude6710
There are only 2 things I do not tolerate: those who are intolerant to others races, and the Dutch.
Daemencer
Installed*
prettydumb
dont remind me how corrupt our construction is
lightfoot2
Half a highway, the other lane was in use all weekend. Still, impressive.
masteryoplait
Damn that’s awesome!
KnifeKnut
Presumably next or also weekend they do the other side.
lightfoot2
*nod* That's a lot of staging, would probably take a few weeks to prep. Doesn't change the fact that it's amazing work.
bourbonandbaddecisions
After months of planning and engineering.
TheTaoTakesPictures
How do those filthy dutch socialist/communists get stuff like this done so fast?
IAmASentientWaffle
To be fair, capitalist social democracies like in Western Europe are only slightly better than late-stage capitalist America. Long way 2go.
ID1746
They look how we Belgians do it & then do it the opposite way.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
"Bloody Belgians ... "
Femkefatale
Hahaha leuke zelfspot
GoAway96
As a Pennsylvania resident. This is a wet dream for us
coolerguy
For me as a Norwegian too! Imagine having highways!
ExquisiteConundrum
Rt 15 in Cumberland and dauphin are still cattle chutes right? Left there 10 years ago. But im guessing it is. Because pa lol.
MickeyTheHound
Right? They took like 8 years to change two off ramps on a highway!
samanthathecat
They’ve been ‘fixing’ 202 since I moved here
Muunk
That's a store-bought tunnel.
PicassoCT
The tunnel at home..
PicassoCT
is full of musky teslas driving like in a traffic jam..
AGiantSlor
If you don't have homemade tunnel store bought is fine.
Aksuuuh
It's Ikea TÖNNEL
masteryoplait
idonthaveauser
Ikea is a dutch company, so maybe yes.
redsmerf
...Swedish.
BorkasonBork
The founder who was born in sweden had a big fight with swedish tax authorites in the 70s and in protest he moved ikea hq to holland.
subject6661
What? Ikea's swedish
xtav
Huh... TIL "Ikea is a Swedish multinational conglomerate based in the Netherlands" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA
BigAndChunkyDane
It’s based in NL for it to be owned by a foundation. It’s a legal work around in order for no-one to own it.
UmAcshually
It's complex. It's legally in the Netherlands and has its HQ in the Netherlands. It's completely valid to call it a dutch company even if >
UmAcshually
it was originally founded in Sweden. On the other hands, it has a lot more employees in Sweden (*especially* compared to populations of the>
ricpaul
Meanwhile we're locked in our Dutch town because they closed off highway access indefinitely, the raising bridge is out (since May 10th) >
kleinkaasje
Waar?
ricpaul
Rozenburg ZH, Calandbrug: open is mopperende bevolking, dicht is claim van bedrijven. Dus hij staat open... (Pont is ander verhaal).
ricpaul
and the ferry has broken down 4 months ago and apparantly they cannot use the other one that broke >3y ago to fix it. So not that impressed.
TheS4ndm4n
You can still fierljep
MrHappySmiles
They rely on dykes to not flood by the sea. You know their engineering laughs at the rest of the world’s bufoonery.
madjo
Dikes*
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
"Dykes" is harsh. I believe they prefer to be called "ladies in comfortable shoes".
DidIleavemynobelprizehere
Gooodmorning Vietnaaaammm!
tinyfootprints
Reminds me of a story of a Dutch boy who stuck his finger in a dyke and saved the whole country. It boggles the imagination.
Titweasel
Some say it wasn't a boy but a man. And it wasn't a finger.
NJCabinetGuy
In the US .... that would detour traffic and take 18 months.
cheeseguy3412
More like 4 years in STL, assuming they don't run out of funding and let it sit for another 4 just for fun
HallReiser
My city has been working on a roundabout for almost 4 months now wtf.
MeshHatMafia
I know a few road workers. Apparently it’s mostly politics and meetings that hold things back. They also say ALOT of heavy equipment
MeshHatMafia
Operators, are lazy as fuck and are prema donnas
Geistbar
Boston needed either 16 or 25 years depending on your view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig
farfarawaysaway
I mean it was a huge project, lot more than just one tunnel
Geistbar
Yeah I know, but I'm limited to 140 characters here! It was a big project but relative to resources available it wasn't 832+ times bigger.
JuliaLoveStar
3 years in Germany
NeonMaui99
18yrs
MrRogersNeighborhood
I25 has been under lane expansion for the 5 years I've lived in the area.
Firsthope
Mainly bc the ‘bid’ system we use to make sure someone’s well-connected cousin gets the contract ensures inefficiency.
Myrani
Yeah, but the Dutch has the advantage, they are already below sea level!
brotherbuzz
...for the permitting.
aquietwhyme
18 months is being generous. There was something similar in my hometown in VA that ultimately took 9. Years. Not exaggerating, 9 years.
bourbonandbaddecisions
And that’s if your lucky.
DWGifWrecker
Same in germany
vetteritt64
Also in good ole germany
Smigions
To plan and 4 years to put in place.
lifelemons
Years. 18 years.
Hawkgirl203
Big dig. Boston.
SirSnickleFritz
My company transferred my to one of our other shops. Been working on a bridge the three years I've been uo here. Have to redo it again 1/2
SirSnickleFritz
Because a few months back the asphalt they layered down is already failing catastrophically in places..
LebronJamesDean
H3 in Hawaii is only 15 miles long and took 37 years to complete.
AtmaDarkwolf
u mean anywhere in north america. LOL this is one aspect of life we are no better at than the USA (Canada here)
AtmaDarkwolf
although 18 months is a 'rush job'
VodkaReindeer
Or teflon and soap https://www.seeker.com/dish-soap-helps-slide-new-bridge-into-place-1765591679.html
zerothealien
Theres a freeway near me thats been under construction since i was born, im almost 30 now
ProphetofEntropy
cause the people in charge are dumb or corrupt and dont put completion time clauses in the outline for the contracts.
modis
You might fill a pothole in that time.
mdubs123
Yeah because we can’t interrupt traffic for it. They shut down the whole area for this
PragmaticPrimate
no they didn't, they keep a lane in the back to keep traffic running
MoschopsUK
I'm sure I've seen plenty of road closures and detours in the US.
masteryoplait
Laughs for decades in Pennsylvania Turnpike.
wickedcor
Aye 476 took forever for one extra lane.
donorkort
Danish government agreed on a 24 km expansion of the Funen highway in 2003. They're still building almost 20 years later.
masteryoplait
What: The Danish?! Damn if the Danes can’t handle it what hope is there for us?
donorkort
Government projects going way over both time and monetary budget is the norm here. We have just expanded a tram system in the biggest cities
donorkort
-> which breaks down every time leaves hit the tracks or it gets around the freezing point... in a country with 6 years of Autumn. 10/10
KitchenClean
Laughs for scores in Chicago 290/90/94 interchange.
redsmerf
IIRC, 25 years for one project in Tacoma
bestness
Spokane north south free way has been under construction since the 50’s
redsmerf
Strictly speaking, they started actual work in 2001.
GoDownToTheStoreGetSomeViagraAndItllHelpYouGoFYourself
Can confirm. But they did/are finally getting some work done.
miraclemaxcoc
Project deadlines are set by the municipality paying for the project. Most of the time they pick lower costs over lower time.
ProphetofEntropy
which often just balloons costs cause inflation is a thing and the problem to be fixed is actively costing the community money...
Hyndisfox
Time is money. A project that takes 10 years is 10 years of payroll, and is more expensive than the shorter project.
EdwardHarley
That's basically the socioeconomic Boots Theory.
miraclemaxcoc
Same goes for huge IT projects
wildwestpb
Fast, Cheap, or Good - you get to pick two, and lose one.
fr0stbyte124
Between 0 and 1 of those in my experience.
ProphetofEntropy
except you can totally still get long, shitty and expensive road work, specially if the locale is corrupt or incompetent.
wildwestpb
It’s government work, there’s always going to be monetary and/or chronological waste.
WaitUmmmWhat
18 months just to put out the cones before the project starts...
bushmuncher
????
ziralien
Then they'll grade the spot with stone and take another 24 months to do anything more.
FritoParadise
And after it's done they'll put cones back up every night for another 9 months for no apparent reason. Been dealing with that in CO w/ I-25
WVGleeman
You guys are getting cones? We get a blinking sign 5 miles before the site that no one pays attention to and an all stop at the scene.
NATA5
We got both. But the sign sign said construction starts March 4th but it’s already august.
masteryoplait
Oh this hits close to home