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ilovetraveler
True, but stop posting this pro-putin bitch.
EternalSunshineofthePotlessMind
In 2006, my teacher for my HS world religions class invited a Palestinian woman to speak to the class. I don't really remember any of the talking points of that discussion. What I do remember is the scar she showed us and the "rubber" bullets that caused it.
I've never really gotten bogged down by talking points since then
michaelfire
DeSantis and torture camps. What US torture by rendition looks like. Another terrorist-for-life torture prison. Gitmo. Not technically foreign soil. DeSantis oversaw forced rectal feeding. Seen here prisoners shackled to stress positions, hooded and gloved for sensory deprivation. Forced to kneel on sharp rock-a Japanese WWII torture. In Cuban heat. See also Israeli torture prisons with rape, days long zip tied limbs leading to amputation. USmil/Intel & torture 1/
michaelfire
US military/Intel teaching authoritarians, Right wing regimes around the world torture for decades now: no-proof torture/electroshock, no-touch torture, and no-detention torture (cointelpro) https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2246205 https=2246205">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2246205 http://www.a">=2246205">https://papers.ssrn.com">s://www.">://www.a">=2246205">https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2246205 https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Cruelty-Literature-Political-Imprisonment/dp/0393313123 http://cohen.house.gov/media-center/videos/congressman-cohen-hosts-forum-fbis-cointelpro-program https://greydynamics.com/united-states-citizen-spies/ 2/
michaelfire
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truthputer
I’ve still been unable to get a satisfactory explanation of the difference between Lebensraum and Zionism. They both seem to be based on racist colonial supremacy where one group feels they have more rights to live somewhere than the people who have already been there for generations.
bloxxing
when you really really REALLY enjoy genocide...
meskarune
As an amyl and the sniffers fan, I feel kinda validated in my tastes now. https://youtu.be/9QX4bQPw-_w?si=qC868KqNoCk6jogk
junkgoof
Now that they are all dead it’s ok to talk about it.
TheAsterite
From the river to the sea
EnSvenskTiger802
Replacing one genocide with another is not a good idea.
DocNitro
Israel has turned Gaza into basically Auschwitz.
Netanyahu is the new Hitler, his party and their coalition partners are the new NSDAP.
J3lek
Orc6000
It was never satire.
insaaanity
Stop posting statements from this wretched Russian mouthpiece. There are others making the same points, who aren't massively compromised.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
The more Israel tries to silence you, the louder you must be.
Elroydb
Can you please not use a person cheerleading Russia's invasion of Ukraine to make points about Israel's genocide in Palestine? Her opposition to western genocide isn't because it is genocide but because it is western
Reinhoolahoop
It's been explained to OP in the past why she's not a reliable source against genocide (she enjoys the genocide of Ukrainians) but OP simply does not care where their info comes from.
vegivamp
Irrelevant. It's genocide. She speaks out against it.
You're only problem isn't the vehicle, but that she's speaking out against the west.
DirectorFury
She defends genocide when it's Russia or China doing it, she doesn't actually care
ArmedandOverclocked
So its genocide if performed in Gaza and just sparkling white ethnic cleansing anywhere else. Got it
vegivamp
Show me where I said that.
EnSvenskTiger802
She supports the genocide in Ukraine. "western liberals continue their shrieking meltdown over Trump hurting Saint Zelensky’s feelings, it’s probably worth reminding everyone that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was indisputably provoked by western aggressions." - Caitlin Johnston https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-ukraine-eefabafb6999
vegivamp
I'm sorry, but Ukraine is a war, not a genocide like Gaza. That doesn't mean it's right, but hyperbole helps nobody.
If she's using her reach to add to the Gaza effort, we can use that and still condemn her other bullshit. We don't really have the luxury of being overly picky on which allies to accept against the tsunami of assholes we're currently wading through.
EnSvenskTiger802
Shut the fuck up Ivan. Raping the women, strictly murdering the civilians, kidnapping children, these are genocidal acts. Fuck that genocide supporting bitch and fuck you too.
vegivamp
No, they're not. They are war crimes and violations of the convention of Geneva, but not inherently genocidal.
Cursing doesn't make you right, and hyperbole does more damage than good.
zeviazucks
/r/Jewish is all up in arms that Mamdani wouldn't denounce a protest phrase (while laying out his plan to protect Jews in NYC) but immediately forgave Trump for using an anti-Semitic slur. Tells you a lot.
DHTs
Tells you all about who pays for the bots.
Hayashima
I smell AIPAC
RickTheMarshallSelke
It's hardly "the" defining issue of our time. There's fucked up shit happening everywhere on the planet right now. High profile fucked up shit. It's ALLLL fucked.
Lugh314159
It is all fucked.... But I don't think there's anything that's quite as uniquely fucked as the state sponsored, US funded, genocide in Gaza right know.
If Trump doesn't succeed in creating the Fourth Reich, THIS will be the major thing that will appear in the history books of the latter 21st century.
JanglesPrime
Israel could be stopped if it didn't have nukes. It is the size of and population of New Jersey.
Broonstar
afik Israel has no credibility with real people, only the politicians and journalists they OWN
Toodamagedtocare
💔💔💔🫂💙💙💙
BrickSprickly
I left my wife of 24 years partially due to her stance on this
JStengah
The Israel-Palestine conflict IS super complex and impossible for the average member of the public to understand, so no, that was not incorrect. But genocide is not complex. It is very, very easy to understand. Regardless of anything and everything that came before, what Israel is currently doing is unequivocally wrong and must be stopped.
Legrooveth
It really is, especially when the complexity includes the weight of history from so many different angles and the massive bias Israel receives in Western media. I've made a concerted effort to understand the situation and after learning a lot of practicalities and modern history it's more obvious how much there still is to learn.
LavaDiver1312
The conflict itself is not complex; Zionism has been a white (i.e. Ashkenazi) settler colonial project since Theodor Herzl.
What may be complex is the question of amendments and reparations for almost eight decades of apartheid and expulsion. But before that comes stopping the genocide and ending apartheid, and upending political Zionism. (The cultural Zionism of eg Albert Einstein seems okay-ish, as it aimed for respectful coexistence, but it's absolutely irrelevant today.)
NunyaBNess1
It's not that complex. It's presented as being complex to dissuade people from learning more than what they're spoon fed about the subject.
JStengah
It is complex because there is no simple solution to fix it. If you think you have a simple solution that will be accepted by both sides and bring peace to the region, go claim your Nobel Peace Prize.
NunyaBNess1
You've moved the goalpost. A simple solution acceptable by both sides literally isn't possible since Israel wants Palestine (& other Arab Nations) to cease to exist. The situation itself is simple: Oil was discovered in Palestine. That's it. That's why Britain put a colony there. Every instance of violence since has been a direct result of that colony's violent expansions & violent oppression of the indigenous people who rightfully own that oil.
Frodyne
What? You think the Israel-Palestine conflict is about oil? That is so far from reality that the mind boggles.
To start with, Israel does not really have any oil as you can see here: https://www.worldometers.info/oil/israel-oil/
Their oil production is ranked 95th, behind such oil giants as Finland, Estonia and Taiwan.
Also their oil deposits account for about 0.00085% of the worlds oil deposits - whereas Saudi Arabia sits on about 16.15% of the worlds deposits.
JStengah
That's a laughably incomplete history of the region, but it's now clear why you think it's so simple.
PostalHeathen
Genocide is bad. It doesn't matter who's doing it, there's no excuse.
Markuspsyches
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
Why would America support a country that murders children so callously? *Looks at public schools* Oh.
OverthinkingThis
Pretty much this. I have had arguments with people about bombing civilians, which just....blows my mind.
I legit had to call for a time out of all things and just ask them, "you......you know you just advocated for literal murder of innocent people correct?". They don't even bat an eye and say yes.
It's that kind of shit that makes feel actually insane
ChiLLeCheeze
It's usually old white conservatives that I've noticed this from. 100% accuracy once I find out they're MAGA they talk about killing the evil regime (Iran). They've been fed American media for so long that can't see that they're the bad guys.
epistlero
what about when god does it?
M4UsedRollout
The genocide of the Canaanites in the Old Testament isn’t corroborated by any archaeological evidence (and is contradicted by some) and very likely never happened.
PostalHeathen
If god's telling you that genocide is good, you're not talking to god.
SteveBestFriendAndTrustedColleague
Imaginary friends need not apply.
heroesblood
If god existed, it would still be bad.
ChiLLeCheeze
If God existed and he said he was good. Would it still be bad if he did this?
heroesblood
Yes, because - and this has been stated - genocide is bad.
ChiLLeCheeze
I'll be taking you in. https://imgur.com/nGvAsDp
Nanntuckett
Correct. We hate it when Israel does it. We’d hate it equally if Palestinians were doing it.
NotyouGuillermo
Exactly. Even if you were 100% in the right up until you started doing genocide, you lose all moral ground the second you do the genocide.
Nanntuckett
The Israel supporters act like Hamas attacking first gives them the right to do it. If I punched someone in the face they can punch back, but they don’t get to then kill my entire family.
CyberHexx
The moment you kill babies intentionally, you're the bad guy. I don't give a fuck what happened before, why it started, what your excuse is. The Baby Killers ARE ALWAYS the bad guys.
PorkChopPanties
Yup.
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CyberHexx
Israel left premee infants in incubators when they cleared out a hospital and killed power to the building. The corpses were infested with bugs when people were finally allowed back in.
I must point out that Hamas is almost a non-issue at this point. There's only about 20-30k Hamas in Gaza at this time and the rest of the 1.8 million people are all civilians. I don't care if one of hamas's weak little retaliation rockets killed a few kids due to an inability to aim the damn thing. Arrest those>
CyberHexx
Hamas members and continue on. But the IDF made a conscious decision to leave premee babies unattended in a hospital and has a policy of double tapping children with sniper rifles. You cannot apples and oranges this shit. One side is clearly more evil and you absolutely cannot change my mind based on this evidence.
darthnerdus6236
Israel spreading lies about Hamas beheading babies is part of what has got us to where we are at.
akafluffy
Even then, when both sides are killing babies, you can say, yeah, they both suck, let's not send either weapons.
LurkerJerker
If u gonna compare, I'd say Israel is winning the babykilling contest.
akafluffy
There are no winners in the babykilling contest, only losers.
SirNinjaPirateBot
Also, Hamas is not Palestine, whether or not Hamas ever beheaded any babies.
Israel, however, is Israel, an actual national government perpetrating those atrocities.
zeviazucks
Man, it doesn't have to be genocide. In the year leading up to Oct7, Israel killed about 189 Palestinians. That's bad. On Oct7, Hamas killed or kidnapped 300 Israelis. That's bad. In response, Israel killed 20,000+ Palestinians plus foreign aid workers. That's atrocious.
Waidonut
I think the number is 59,600, and this doesn't count deaths caused by non-trauma (starvation, no medical help, water sanitation ect). And the hundreds from years before. Or everything else like land theft, forced poverty, stealing their homes ect.
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
Genocide is always bad. Its especially double bad when the Genocider props up and funds a terrorist organization just to keep a convenient
EaNasirsExcellentHighGradeCopper
casus belli to use when they want to steal more land stained in the blood of its owners.. Which is what Israel does.
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Waidonut
ALL genocide is bad. You don't fight a call for genocide by committing worse genocide.
kaffeespatz
Israel ist not commiting a genocide. Thats Just Hamas Talk
SteveBestFriendAndTrustedColleague
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EhhSpoofy
You're either a bot or severely evil. Kaffeeschmutz solltest du dich nennen.
EnSvenskTiger802
"western liberals continue their shrieking meltdown over Trump hurting Saint Zelensky’s feelings, it’s probably worth reminding everyone that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was indisputably provoked by western aggressions." - Caitlin Johnston As per ususal with churkylaws sources, it's a supporter of Russia's genocide in Ukraine.
Dracology
now that they propaganda isnt working, they are trying to do their best to force people to shut up about it. UC for example has banned students from protesting any country by boycott. Visitors are getting turned away from having pro-gaza views and people already here with visas are getting kicked out. If they cant make people too afraid to talk about it out of fear of ignorance they will do it out of fear of punishment
invadeboiss
Israel handles media like its 1967. Absolute clownshoes in modern day.
MrRandom314159
Genocide is bad. But short of legitimately invading them... how do we stop it? Are sanctions enough to curb this behavior?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It would be a start. Israel is not isolated, they are dependent on connections to other countries, especially the US which gives them billions of military aid each year.
Will it be enough? I don't know. But not giving them money for free feels like the absolute least one can do.
rshini
unfortunately, Israel will do what it wants in short of that, even if Biden had taken a stronger stance, Bibi made it damn clear he was gonna murder some palestinians to distract from his own corruption - the US backs them, but they do NOT control Israel
CaldariBob
Turn off the munitions faucet.
lpooptoomuch
nothing will happen at least in america, the midterms are 16 months away (assuming they will happen) and people have a short memory. they don't care how much we protest or write to our congressman, they are going to do everything they can on their agenda. But i feel there is a small chance that enough people will be fed up to get a 2/3 majority and really fix this country.
michaelfire
USA too Never forget: this is what Trump Right wing/DHS torture prison looks like for children. Sleep deprivation and discomfort: Cold. lights always on, noisy, profound mental and emotional cruelty: no comforting children allowed, inadequate sanitation, no beds, cages, no MH treatment, permanently orphaned by destroying the childrens' records. This is the kind of people involved. https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2019/child-detention-at-the-border-is-torture/
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
In Germany, calling the state of Israel a baby or child killer can land you in prison for alleged incitement of racial hatred. A factual statement about a foreign country is punishable under a law that is usually only applied to hate speech against domestic ethnic groups. Advocating for the freedom of Palestine can also get you in trouble if your words can be construed as a reference to the "from the river to the sea" slogan. If you simply say "Palestine will be free", that's incitement. Nuts.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Source: A ruling by a higher administrative court. They stopped short of ruling the slogan "stop the genocide" incitement too. https://nrwe.justiz.nrw.de/ovgs/ovg_nrw/j2023/15_B_1323_23_Beschluss_20231202.html
Zeeall
Thousands of Germans should go out with signs, bog down the legal system with this BS.
coastalfoundhound
They should be made to explain their logic.
TyphoonMuscles
To be fair, it makes sense why they're overshooting with this stuff. Doesn't make it right, just understandable.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
I don't see the rationale. There is no indication that the anti-genocide protesters confuse German Jews with Israel's government and the IDF and start attacking them. It's especially mind-boggling since the original aim of this law was to *prevent* another genocide. Abusing it to silence anti-genocide voices is a gross perversion of justice.
michaelfire
Take human rights-Operation Canary Mission-Israeli Intel Op against USA universities, media, politicians, legal system...now the US immigration sys. https://www.vox.com/politics/410125/canary-m">rations/">https://www.vox.com/politics/410125/canary-mission-the-pro-israel-group-taking-credit-for-student-deportation-explainedhttps://www.thenation.com/article/world/canary-mission-israel-covert-operations/ https://www.democracynow.org/2023/12/27/canary_mission OP Lavender- using US tech https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ torture camps 1
michaelfire
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michaelfire
Rights, OP Lavender and civilian deaths https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocin-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-interide-agai">in-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-c">national">ide-agai">in-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/end-unfolding-genocide-or-watch-it-end-life-gaza-un-experts-say-states-face https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/05/15/gaza-latest-israeli-plan-inches-closer-extermination www.middleeasteye.net/news/top-genocide-scholars-unanimous-israel-committing-genocide-gaza-investigation 3/
michaelfire
Lavender https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocin-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-interide-agai">in-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-c">national">ide-agai">in-gaza/">https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/05/end-unfolding-genocide-or-watch-it-end-life-gaza-un-experts-say-states-face https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/05/15/gaza-latest-israeli-plan-inches-closer-extermination www.middleeasteye.net/news/top-genocide-scholars-unanimous-israel-committing-genocide-gaza-investigation 4/
michaelfire
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Gutpilegutezeit
Amyl and the Sniffers are on their way to legend status, and it's great to hear angry voices can still connect about compassionate issues with a wider audience.
DanielAsparagus
Best song to listen to for a noob?
pseudoelephant
Hertz! Pure joy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb5Ja6V4OeY&list=RDzb5Ja6V4OeY
TheLookAndFeelMUSIC
I can not name a song. Just put them on shuffle when you feel like giving someone the finger or are getting preloaded with the girls
Gutpilegutezeit
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Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
Just like rhe actual Amyl Nitrate they are not for everybody but they are of course good at what they do.
MustardGasZeplins
Nitrite. Although I'm sure Nitrate is also good at what it does, but not sniffing.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
Good point
Khatapillah
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Zeeall
'Hertz' or 'Guided By Angels'.
Zeeall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p_PHCvwjGw
PeebRow
Some choice tunes (but really, all of them!):
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PeebRow
https://youtu.be/9QX4bQPw-_w?si=HZ4eEP9kikt9DCnp
PeebRow
https://youtu.be/g-X8QkqrDeY?si=iu6A-5jb59oQwymk
PeebRow
Fuck mate, seriously, they're all great tunes!
https://youtu.be/zb5Ja6V4OeY?si=uksuEWyivQrnxFwF
realrealluckless
Thought we had a war over this and settled the matter: You don't get to kill your neighbour and take their shit just because they don't follow your religion or look like you... This goes for everyone.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
No we didn't. We had several wars, and the outcome was that sometime it's totally acceptable and you can build a nation on it.
Lionanar
Wars do not settle anything..wars force a result.
LychFinderGeneral
I’m sure that sounded very sage in your head
realrealluckless
... Are you trying to argue that "Murdering your neighbour and stealing their shit" is somehow a disputed question as to whether or not that is a BAD thing to do that shouldn't be allowed?
Lionanar
No I am simply pointing out that wars do not settle anything....
TheStandardName
Not to be an asshole but which war specifically? WW2? Because as a human race we be doing a lotta fucking genocide since then. Soviets in Chechnya. USA in Cambodia and then the Khmer Rouge. Mayans in Guatemala backed by the US. Bengalis in Pakistan. Tusis in Rawanda. The Ndebele in Zimbabwe. Bosnians in Yugoslavia. Uyghurs in China. Ukraine...by Russia again. Chagos Islands by the UK. Palestine by Israel. This is just off the top of my head. We humans love us some us some genocide.
crazyspelling
( I'm pretty sure you could keep going back several thousand years, cover almost every war in history, every war from prehistory, go back a hundred times farther and find out the same shit happened to Neandertals and our other nearly human cousins. Alas, "killing our neighbors and taking their stuff because they don't look like us" is humanity's default setting. The struggle against it is not just real, it is constant and unwavering.)
TheStandardName
The earliest known genocide... which is defined as the intended use to wipe out a culture or people's is about 7500BC. A group of people in the eastern European region. A mass grave of about 50 bodies. Women, and children. Hands bound and executed. This is differentiated as typically at the time women were abducted along with property - as a tribes lineage comes through the male line. So this was the first case found of a genocide we have evidence of.
NunyaBNess1
It became internationally illegal after WW2. Like all crimes, it still happens but the perpetrators are supposed to be punished for it. Unlike Israel, which is being rewarded.
Kiares
Might makes right, look at Ukraine, the Uyghurs, Chinese occupied Manchuria, Chinese occupied S Mongolia, Tibet, Chinese occupied East Turkestan, Palestine/Israel, US involvement in just about everything in the last 100 years, turkey and the kurds, etc.
sqeaky
There is no such noun as International law. International law is a verb, it is a constant argument by lawyers and judges in different countries and politicians creating laws, and it is enforced by whoever shows up with the military or maneuver their police in order to make change happen in the real world. So when the US says XYZ is a rogue state and backs that with more bombs/guns than anyone else can stop, that becomes the truth of international law. It's not good, but it is real.
PragmaticPrimate
Please explain how the Hague and Geneva Conventions aren't considered international law? Also the European Union is exclusively based on international law. International law is just based on treaties that are ratified by the states that join them. Which isn't really that different from how US amendments are passed.
TheStandardName
You are right to a point. Many nations have ratified those conventions... and break them constantly. There is no ruling body that can compel a country to the ICC. American refused to allow trial of US servicemen for warcrimes in their clusterfuck in the middle east. These 'laws' are policed by either A. Countries with more political and military clout, B. Countries willing to accept the loss of sovereignty from a ruling body. In most cases of war crimes or genocide, the trial of the accused >>>
TheStandardName
I would actually argue the opposite. There is a long history of governments turning a blind eye, or half assed sanctions. In most cases of genocide, public outcry doesn't come until after the fact - if at all. Public opinion is hugely against Israel in an outcry unprecedented. Their support is mostly governmental and media, not public. I'm not saying that isn't significant - but I wouldn't say US supply of arms to Israel is any more rewarding than US arming Guatemala or China and Khymer Rouge.
scrumby
Please tell me the war you're talking about so I know exactly where to start listing the genocides that have happened since.
crazyspelling
Neandertals.
pixelsnader
The first world war, obviously.
IAmTheBadW01f
The first Punic war.
Good luck.
realrealluckless
Can you name any of them since any war that have been generally regarded on a global stage as a good thing?
scrumby
Sure-- the Crusades, the genocide of Indigenous people in America, Africa, and Australia during colonialism. Even the Holocaust was a popular idea until it's perpetrators lost. The only thing that's changed is that it's tacky to admit you think it's good to kill your neighbors and take their shit. Plenty of people still support that base idea as a good and right behavior same as their ancestors did.
realrealluckless
You're using a creative definition of 'global stage' there... Pretty sure the Crusades and Indigenous genocide were rather unpopular things with many people when viewed from a global stance rather than a eurocentric viewpoint...
scrumby
Because there is not definition of "global stage." It's a vague descriptor for mass consensus that you deliberately used to setup this particular 'gotcha.' At no point has the world come together to condemn genocide. At best western media has paid lip service to the idea when they don't have the luxury or outright incentive to ignore it.
crazyspelling
Even the fucking fossil records prove we did this shit millions of years ago, too.
scrumby
Post-WWII there was a huge leap in understanding of genocide as a concept which did increase the awareness and criticism of it's practices. But the outcome was a lot of people making excuses for why their favored ethnic cleansing operation was not genocide. Often times the outcome of people learning is them learning how to rules-lawyer their away into doing what they want anyway.