I will be kind to anyone making a genuine effort to uphold the social contract. If they knowingly and willingly violate that social contract, then I do not care and I will crush them. See also: Nazis.
I find the people in power are simply feeding the darkness and divisiveness that most of us are spreading. We cannot lay all the blame on them for the incredible loneliness and bitterness, that seems to be consuming most people where social technology is abundant. We need to be accountable and choose to try to trust and be kind to one another and try to deeply understand things, so we can work together to stop the abusers in power. They WANT us divided.
"Why do people only say bad things happen for a reason? Nobody says, 'I had a ham sandwich for lunch. Gotta be a reason!'" I know I heard a comedian say that, but I have no idea who it was.
I'm writing a script for this guy. I don't have any kind of illusion that he's ever going to be in the movie or even that it will get produced or he will even think about it, but I'm using his stage persona as a major character and it's adding a lot to the script
I'll Be Gone in the Dark is the HBO special told from her perspective as she's writing her book about the Golden State Killer. It's one of the best true crime docs I've ever seen.
But it wasn’t wrong. The police falsely stated for years that the rapes and murders he committed were unrelated, and her work *finally* got them off their asses. Without her, JJD would still be out living his life. Cops already lie enough. You don’t *have* to contribute to their cause.
It didn't lead them to the right person and didn't contribute to them catching the person. " Authorities in Sacramento, Orange, Santa Barbara, and Ventura counties prepared charges against DeAngelo for all 12 of the murders in the Golden State Killer case.[14] The sheriff credited McNamara's dedication to the Golden State Killer case for raising publicity, but added that her work did not directly generate any critical tips or information that led to DeAngelo's arrest.[7]"
Yes. We know the cops lied about her contributions to the case. You don’t have to parrot their press release word for word. They ignored and even dismissed links between the victims and kept him free for decades longer than he should have been. They’re mad that an amateur made them look like assholes.
People who say "everything happens for a reason" are often confusing the definition of reason with the definition of purpose. Just because something has an explanation doesn't mean it serves a purpose.
There is no plan and there is no reason. "[T]he order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way. For existence has its own order and that no man's mind can compass, that mind itself being but a fact among others." — Judge Holden
My doctor told me after my miscarriage that everything happens for a reason so we can help others in the same situation and I’m not even going to argue with that circular logic. The reason in this case was not a reckless deity but a wisdom tooth infection.
To be fair: everything does happen for a reason and nothing is truly random. Cause and effect. I know people dont like that but everything does happen for a reason. Magic and faith arent keeping our universe together
No joke, when he was recounting having to tell their daughter that her mom had died I lost it. I can't imagine having to tell your kid that kind of news.
Although not the same, I think many people tend to use "cause" and "reason" interchangeably. I know I do. There is a "cause" for everything. "Reason" seems to imply some sort intelligence directed intent. "Cause" does not. Things happen without "reason", but never without "cause". Even though things happen without "reason" and there is randomness, there is not chaos... because nothing happens without "cause".
Everything does happen for a reason, the thing is none of us has the complete picture down to the last sub-atomic particle so we can see those reasons, so it's all chaos to our tiny little mind. For all practical purposes, it's chaos, be kind.
If I were to lose my wife as young as he did, and someone were to tell me Everything Happens For A Reason, that someone would be getting beaten to death with the nearest blunt object. It would be for a reason, and the reason would be the enraging shit they just said.
After I saw him on his deathbed for the last time, my father's sister-in-law started chirping at me about "oh, we'll see each other in heaven blah blah blah jesus blah blah blah god shit blah blah blah..." Finally I told her I wanted time to myself. She must've seen something in my face because she unassed the room sharpish and never talked to me again. Dozy cunt.
When my dad was dying from cancer, I was unable to be there... a coworker glibly said, don't worry about it, God will let you meet in heaven... I understand they meant well... but timing.. took most of a field crew to hold me back to prevent a serious beating...
Lost an infant many years ago and people say the most abominable shit. It's really changed how I speak to people going through things. Most people don't realize or don't know better. They don't mean to be cruel. It's still infuriating to be on the receiving end though.
Yeah. A lot of us don't know how to be present with someone's pain. Like maybe we think we have to do something to "fix" it or "make the bad feelings go away" when all the other person wants to hear is "I'm sorry" or "that's terrible." I'm still learning and hope I'm less of an ignorant dipshit now than I was 20 years ago.
I’ve been on both sides and I like to share a favorite memory of the deceased. If I didn’t know them, I ask about what they were like so the griever can talk about them.
Some of the things people say to folks who are grieving is so unhinged! I've always hated "they're in a better place"- a better place than here with the people who love them?! As if here with us was some kind of hell? So cruel. I hate people who say that.
A friend of mine lost his dad when he was a kid. He’s still traumatized from all those “well meaning people” telling him how his dad is in a better place now and how everything happens for a reason. In my experience, people say those things not to make the other person feel better, but to make themselves feel better. As if it somehow absolves them from actually doing something to help.
My favorite is those who use the death for their own selfish behavior. Woman jumped at a property I was photographing the day before I went back. All you could hear about was how selfish she was for “ruining their day” (“I had to leave, she ruined the rest of my day”) I said something esoteric about hope she is doing better, but what I really wanted to say was “people like you is why she jumped”. Struggle with some pretty serious depression here and could not believe the total garbage folks>
Friend of mine lost his 10 year old daughter to cancer. Some of the stuff I heard was infuriating to me. But it wasn't my place so I just bit my tongue. But seriously, how do you tell a parent who has just lost a loved child to fucking cancer that "there is a reason to this"?
"God didn't think you were empathetic enough so he killed your kid slowly and painfully. Now you're going to be a better person! Yay! Or you'll become bitter, maybe develop one or more addictions, etc etc!"
That is what made me lose my religion. My mother died from smoking, where she died, inhaler in one hand, breathing mask in the other, voice too quiet for anyone in the house to hear her. My overly catholic neighbor offered a casserole and said 'She died so that you could know that smoking was bad.' I'd never smoked before then, never smoked after then, and definitely didn't need to be told that. I'd never wanted to punch someone so much as that moment, though.
I can not empathize with those who find comfort in the notion that "everything happens for a reason," whether that reason is "God's will" or "karma" or some new agey gobbledygook. Some kid somewhere got raped and spent years reliving it every day until they put a bullet in their head. Give me a "reason" that makes that worth it. Someone else got inspired to fight for abuse victims? Why not inspire the rapist not to be a fucking rapist? It's mental.
But could you imagine if God was nice and wanted stop a lot of the shit people do to each other and cancer and etc and he's omnipotent but he has to visit everyone he helps. So he's going out of his head, running all over the world as fast as he can...
If he were omnipotent, he could clone himself off to help everyone. ...And then again, maybe he tried that, and he just isn't as perfect as the marketing puff piece says, and so all the religious strife in the world is just divine value drift.
In theory a 'tri-omni' god is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient. If god -can't- do his plan without causing suffering then he isn't *All Powerful*, if he doesn't -want- to do his plan without causing suffering then he's not *All Good*, If he's all powerful and all good, but doesn't know -how- to do it without causing suffering then he isn't *All Knowing*. Greek gods made huge mistakes, but the 'Problem of Evil' isn't a problem for them cause they're mixed nuts morons so we ignore them
Sometimes it’s something that is completely out if anyone’s hand. Tornado destroys your house, a spouse gets cancer, being stuck by lightning… but we as humans hate the unknown or things without an explanation so we have to assign one to it (even if you need to do mental gymnastics). There has to be a reason for why your life is hard right now! It’s terrifying to think that something bad can just happen out of nowhere
Don't give your fellow man a pass; most of the "reasons" for the bad shit that happens is humans being shitty to other humans, not some made up sky-daddy they claim to be doing it in the name of. Yeah there is bad shit that happens where humans aren't directly responsible for it, but most of it, is shitty humans.
Humans definitely add to the chaos, but I think most of the high-level chaos is beyond humans. Natural disasters, terminal illnesses, the concept of death itself, the chemicals in my brain that make me feel bad when bad stuff happens (or worry that bad things might happen), the fact that I have to acquire and consume food, the fact that I have to take shits because of that food…I could go on but all of this stuff is from the cosmos, not other people. This world is just absurd.
Active evil, yes. But I'm with Stephen Fry on this one - why the fuck does he give babies cancer? How can he give them horribly painful, incurable diseases of all sorts ..... and be considered good?
I don't think illness is good or evil. It's neutral. It's nature. It's also horrid and the idea of the suffering cancer causes is heart-rending. So are natural disasters. I also don't believe in any of that being or not being part of a divine plan. I've just always thought it was weird to call illness evil.
All I'm hearing is that you have no objections to a self proclaimed all powerful being intentionally creating babies that will know nothing but pain and suffering for their entire (but generally short) lives
MrSatisify
th3guy
I will be kind to anyone making a genuine effort to uphold the social contract. If they knowingly and willingly violate that social contract, then I do not care and I will crush them. See also: Nazis.
CampbellsChunkyCyst
Sometimes my buttcheeks are fighting a battle that my coworkers know nothing about until it's their turn to use the bathroom.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Me too fam. Me too.
Flodos
Except to those who themselves are unkind.
SorryThatUserIsUnavailable
Yep, that's the contradiction nobody can agree on.
mondeca
Kindness is a contract.
Comon42
*exceptions apply :)
GTimgur
I find the people in power are simply feeding the darkness and divisiveness that most of us are spreading. We cannot lay all the blame on them for the incredible loneliness and bitterness, that seems to be consuming most people where social technology is abundant. We need to be accountable and choose to try to trust and be kind to one another and try to deeply understand things, so we can work together to stop the abusers in power. They WANT us divided.
MrsSlavicHorse
I saw a documentary about her, her book and the golden state killer, she was a hero, highly recommend looking her up
ClessAurion
This guy looks like it could do a kick ass "Penguin" from batman impression...
thekeyofe
"The only thing I do know is that we have to be kind. Please...be kind, especially when we don't know what's going on." https://youtu.be/YEg4gylAIk8?feature=shared
Goldenteckel
"Harvey" (1950) :
danimals847
I was disappointed to learn that he re-married barely a year after her passing.
mondeca
"Why do people only say bad things happen for a reason? Nobody says, 'I had a ham sandwich for lunch. Gotta be a reason!'" I know I heard a comedian say that, but I have no idea who it was.
SavageDrums
My wife thinks that we were destined to meet. I'm just happy that the randomness of the universe resulted in us meeting.
NickRichards1951
Albert Camus
porcubot
Everything has a *cause*. Reasons imply agency.
zafner
I'm writing a script for this guy. I don't have any kind of illusion that he's ever going to be in the movie or even that it will get produced or he will even think about it, but I'm using his stage persona as a major character and it's adding a lot to the script
WiidSmoker
His wife worked really hard to stop the Golden State killer https://youtu.be/HL0kE-PTRD8?si=lTRYyjQ0g0D0b5wy
RunsWithScizrs
I'll Be Gone in the Dark is the HBO special told from her perspective as she's writing her book about the Golden State Killer. It's one of the best true crime docs I've ever seen.
JoyforYou
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TheHolyFatman
That was the most heartbreaking story.....
RibbleTPibits
The jinx has entered the chat.
wadatahmydamie
And obviously, cops tried taking the credit
goodtimehadbyall
Because they found the guy putting in dna to 23&me type systems, found relatives and tracked him down. Michelle's work was good but it was wrong.
wadatahmydamie
But it wasn’t wrong. The police falsely stated for years that the rapes and murders he committed were unrelated, and her work *finally* got them off their asses. Without her, JJD would still be out living his life. Cops already lie enough. You don’t *have* to contribute to their cause.
RunsWithScizrs
What was wrong about her work?
wadatahmydamie
Nothing. His position is literally “if the cops said it, it must be true.”
goodtimehadbyall
It didn't lead them to the right person and didn't contribute to them catching the person. " Authorities in Sacramento, Orange, Santa Barbara, and Ventura counties prepared charges against DeAngelo for all 12 of the murders in the Golden State Killer case.[14] The sheriff credited McNamara's dedication to the Golden State Killer case for raising publicity, but added that her work did not directly generate any critical tips or information that led to DeAngelo's arrest.[7]"
wadatahmydamie
Yes. We know the cops lied about her contributions to the case. You don’t have to parrot their press release word for word. They ignored and even dismissed links between the victims and kept him free for decades longer than he should have been. They’re mad that an amateur made them look like assholes.
deathmagiks
People who say "everything happens for a reason" are often confusing the definition of reason with the definition of purpose. Just because something has an explanation doesn't mean it serves a purpose.
ffllyyn
free education
PballQhead
There is no plan and there is no reason. "[T]he order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way. For existence has its own order and that no man's mind can compass, that mind itself being but a fact among others." — Judge Holden
gft8gd5khn101
My doctor told me after my miscarriage that everything happens for a reason so we can help others in the same situation and I’m not even going to argue with that circular logic. The reason in this case was not a reckless deity but a wisdom tooth infection.
q34tw4
To be fair: everything does happen for a reason and nothing is truly random. Cause and effect. I know people dont like that but everything does happen for a reason. Magic and faith arent keeping our universe together
AnonOmis1000
I mean everything does happen for a reason. It's just those reasons are usually not good.
finnwin
Life is like a football in some ways:
commentsivehadafew
In hindsight, everything seems predictable
deject3000
No joke, when he was recounting having to tell their daughter that her mom had died I lost it. I can't imagine having to tell your kid that kind of news.
Efreeti
Or to have to do it after waking up next to the person you love and they are no longer alive. It breaks me completely to imagine that pain.
aslum
OnceBotheredTwiceShy
sowasvonsowas
Everything does happen for a reason! The reason, however, is usually physics.
leodavinci1
Although not the same, I think many people tend to use "cause" and "reason" interchangeably. I know I do. There is a "cause" for everything. "Reason" seems to imply some sort intelligence directed intent. "Cause" does not. Things happen without "reason", but never without "cause". Even though things happen without "reason" and there is randomness, there is not chaos... because nothing happens without "cause".
sowasvonsowas
Good distinction. (Because of your comment I plan on changing the wording of what I posted whenever it comes up in conversation.)
HarryBlackstoneCopperfieldDresdenIsMyPatronus
We have all of us, at one time or another, been victims of physics.
bill4935
My great-uncle Werner always used to say that physics had a shitload of randomness in it.
loperinter
Everything does happen for a reason, the thing is none of us has the complete picture down to the last sub-atomic particle so we can see those reasons, so it's all chaos to our tiny little mind. For all practical purposes, it's chaos, be kind.
Brhino
If I were to lose my wife as young as he did, and someone were to tell me Everything Happens For A Reason, that someone would be getting beaten to death with the nearest blunt object. It would be for a reason, and the reason would be the enraging shit they just said.
OldManMumbles
That's not very kind bruh.
BDBottom
After I saw him on his deathbed for the last time, my father's sister-in-law started chirping at me about "oh, we'll see each other in heaven blah blah blah jesus blah blah blah god shit blah blah blah..." Finally I told her I wanted time to myself. She must've seen something in my face because she unassed the room sharpish and never talked to me again. Dozy cunt.
JemIsTrulyOutrageous
Someone said that to me after a vulnerable moment of confessing my sexual abuse. They wonder why I stopped talking to them.
IamnotSpartacuseither
When my dad was dying from cancer, I was unable to be there... a coworker glibly said, don't worry about it, God will let you meet in heaven... I understand they meant well... but timing.. took most of a field crew to hold me back to prevent a serious beating...
avastmehearty
Luckily no one said that to me, it would not have been pretty
heroesblood
It's right up there with "This is part of God's plan." Well then God is a piece of shit, isn't he?
knittingmachine
Lost an infant many years ago and people say the most abominable shit. It's really changed how I speak to people going through things. Most people don't realize or don't know better. They don't mean to be cruel. It's still infuriating to be on the receiving end though.
Affray
1)Years ago one of my mom's friends lost a newborn, maybe a month old. At a backyard BBQ a few weeks afterward another friend just flat out
Affray
2)asked the woman if she was going to "give it another go". I was ten years old and my eyebrows hit my hairline, even I knew that was in
Affray
3)super poor taste. She didn't get outwardly mad but that guy wasn't invited anywhere again.
itsjustplaid
Yeah. A lot of us don't know how to be present with someone's pain. Like maybe we think we have to do something to "fix" it or "make the bad feelings go away" when all the other person wants to hear is "I'm sorry" or "that's terrible." I'm still learning and hope I'm less of an ignorant dipshit now than I was 20 years ago.
DaHayHay
I’ve been on both sides and I like to share a favorite memory of the deceased. If I didn’t know them, I ask about what they were like so the griever can talk about them.
BatLadyRielle
Some of the things people say to folks who are grieving is so unhinged! I've always hated "they're in a better place"- a better place than here with the people who love them?! As if here with us was some kind of hell? So cruel. I hate people who say that.
TheZacAttack
Not to disagree with your point, but have you looked around, here kinda is hell. Not that I think the void of death is better obviously.
SometimesIJust
I personally think this planet is purgatory, with different amounts of both good and bad things.
RobotRabbitWarrior
A friend of mine lost his dad when he was a kid. He’s still traumatized from all those “well meaning people” telling him how his dad is in a better place now and how everything happens for a reason. In my experience, people say those things not to make the other person feel better, but to make themselves feel better. As if it somehow absolves them from actually doing something to help.
mohavewolfpup
My favorite is those who use the death for their own selfish behavior. Woman jumped at a property I was photographing the day before I went back. All you could hear about was how selfish she was for “ruining their day” (“I had to leave, she ruined the rest of my day”) I said something esoteric about hope she is doing better, but what I really wanted to say was “people like you is why she jumped”. Struggle with some pretty serious depression here and could not believe the total garbage folks>
mohavewolfpup
Kept saying like she personally did it just to screw with them….
Wolfshead009
Friend of mine lost his 10 year old daughter to cancer. Some of the stuff I heard was infuriating to me. But it wasn't my place so I just bit my tongue. But seriously, how do you tell a parent who has just lost a loved child to fucking cancer that "there is a reason to this"?
TomBrokaw
"God didn't think you were empathetic enough so he killed your kid slowly and painfully. Now you're going to be a better person! Yay! Or you'll become bitter, maybe develop one or more addictions, etc etc!"
Leucienweaver
That is what made me lose my religion. My mother died from smoking, where she died, inhaler in one hand, breathing mask in the other, voice too quiet for anyone in the house to hear her. My overly catholic neighbor offered a casserole and said 'She died so that you could know that smoking was bad.' I'd never smoked before then, never smoked after then, and definitely didn't need to be told that. I'd never wanted to punch someone so much as that moment, though.
Wolfshead009
You have a great deal of restraint. I don't know if I could managed that myself.
heroesblood
You could have put that casserole up her asserole.
heroesblood
This was mostly a bad word-play. But for real, you would have been well within your rights to give her the finger for that one.
MrStoic100
Life isn’t fair but need not be unkind
toolzgalore2
I want a failure pile! In a sadness bowl!
SupposablyPersnickity
SmashySashimi
Jesus come work my jaw for me!
archangel2401
And help my sloppy pile of food go down~
PineappleLoopsBrOether
….. at Black Angus…. We’ll start you off with our appetizer platter…
dannythemad
At Black Angus, we'll call you Peaches.
PineappleLoopsBrOether
Potato bacon bombs
DickeyBirdie
In my experience when the phrase "everything happens for a reason" that reason is that God is a Dick.
StevieTheAussie
Didn’t say it had to be a good reason.
LeftRightThere
This is what comes to my mind
scoutMoonDiver
fadingtheory
twinkletinkle
My thing is “everything happens from a reason.” It puts a cause and effect mentality and helps focus on the cause of events.
EvoNovus01
I subscribe more to the idea that nothing happens by itself. Everything is dominos, one thing moving the next as it all interacts.
Promethianfire
I can not empathize with those who find comfort in the notion that "everything happens for a reason," whether that reason is "God's will" or "karma" or some new agey gobbledygook. Some kid somewhere got raped and spent years reliving it every day until they put a bullet in their head. Give me a "reason" that makes that worth it. Someone else got inspired to fight for abuse victims? Why not inspire the rapist not to be a fucking rapist? It's mental.
welcometothedystopia
but god isn't real
PballQhead
WHERE'S MY TEAPOT BITCH
DickeyBirdie
"it's all part of God's plan," "Wow, what a really shitty plan! your god sucks!"
NightOwlRally
/a/NUBcc5e
CloseupCaptionReaction
So the universe is just a dick to itself.
MechaNinja
But could you imagine if God was nice and wanted stop a lot of the shit people do to each other and cancer and etc and he's omnipotent but he has to visit everyone he helps. So he's going out of his head, running all over the world as fast as he can...
mithiwithi
If he were omnipotent, he could clone himself off to help everyone. ...And then again, maybe he tried that, and he just isn't as perfect as the marketing puff piece says, and so all the religious strife in the world is just divine value drift.
BenderRodriguz1010
One must exist to be a dick
JRobinsnest
In theory a 'tri-omni' god is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient. If god -can't- do his plan without causing suffering then he isn't *All Powerful*, if he doesn't -want- to do his plan without causing suffering then he's not *All Good*, If he's all powerful and all good, but doesn't know -how- to do it without causing suffering then he isn't *All Knowing*. Greek gods made huge mistakes, but the 'Problem of Evil' isn't a problem for them cause they're mixed nuts morons so we ignore them
notsureofanything
Sometimes it’s something that is completely out if anyone’s hand. Tornado destroys your house, a spouse gets cancer, being stuck by lightning… but we as humans hate the unknown or things without an explanation so we have to assign one to it (even if you need to do mental gymnastics). There has to be a reason for why your life is hard right now! It’s terrifying to think that something bad can just happen out of nowhere
BeerandCats
Don't give your fellow man a pass; most of the "reasons" for the bad shit that happens is humans being shitty to other humans, not some made up sky-daddy they claim to be doing it in the name of. Yeah there is bad shit that happens where humans aren't directly responsible for it, but most of it, is shitty humans.
BobsonDugnutt
Sky daddy 🤭 ima start calling him that to my friends who believe in him
Clockworkdancerobot
"Eh.. Capitalism demands that billions suffer in order to make a few thousand people richer each year."
goochfloss
Humans definitely add to the chaos, but I think most of the high-level chaos is beyond humans. Natural disasters, terminal illnesses, the concept of death itself, the chemicals in my brain that make me feel bad when bad stuff happens (or worry that bad things might happen), the fact that I have to acquire and consume food, the fact that I have to take shits because of that food…I could go on but all of this stuff is from the cosmos, not other people. This world is just absurd.
PhailRaptor
If God is real, he has a hell of a lot of bullshit to answer for
LuminoZero
Like what? Far as I was aware, most evil in the world comes from PEOPLE.
LoitninStroik
Active evil, yes. But I'm with Stephen Fry on this one - why the fuck does he give babies cancer? How can he give them horribly painful, incurable diseases of all sorts ..... and be considered good?
cmsport2
I don't think illness is good or evil. It's neutral. It's nature. It's also horrid and the idea of the suffering cancer causes is heart-rending. So are natural disasters. I also don't believe in any of that being or not being part of a divine plan. I've just always thought it was weird to call illness evil.
LoitninStroik
But God created it (nature), and allowed it to be hurtful without cause. How is that good?
BenderRodriguz1010
Don't forget the flys who's eggs hatch and eat their way out of the children's eyes. That one's my favorite. Seriously, why?
LuminoZero
I always hate this argument, because it's people arguing in favor of a sterilized world.
PhailRaptor
All I'm hearing is that you have no objections to a self proclaimed all powerful being intentionally creating babies that will know nothing but pain and suffering for their entire (but generally short) lives