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ScarySpider
Getting to the moon is significantly less complicated than rendering the mess that web developers have turned the Internet into.
Zymo
Laughing my ass of to people who are still using chrome.
AtsaMattaForMe
MadCat221
That's more a problem with the inefficiency of Chrome, not a fault of the RAM.
SherMattLockSmith
No, people are just rehashing old fucking memes. It's been like 3 years since Chrome initiated background tab caching, you can have as many tabs open as you like, it caches background tabs to disk so it won't eat memory anymore. I regularly get upwards of 20-30 tabs open across multiple windows and chrome's memory usage rarely goes above 2 gigs.
AK90
I switched to Brave recently but I never had RAM issues while using Chrome. I never understood why people bash on Chrome for high RAM usage lol
theundergroudman12
It's a chrome setting for ram usage because I have 64 gigs and will have 10-50 tabs open and memory usage can go up to 25 gigs at times. The more memory it uses the faster the response time will be, at least in theory and I believe for only visited sites.
Exyr
To be fair the computers used had a lot of physical switches.
thealexuser
The turbo button!
LerryV2
When you were limited by your hardware you were forced to optimize because the code wouldnt work any other way. Hardware today is massively overpowered so optimizations dont matter as much and whats a few memory leaks here and there when you have so much, but honestly if you think about what all is going on in your browser its amazing that its all it uses.
astrangehop
I'm reading a 2 kb short story and the page is as big as a Nintendo game
ValhallaPaperBoy
Woah, people are still using Chrome?
GOAE
Over 60% of all people, yes.
ahleron
Nobody should use Chrome
OdinYggd
Everything uses embedded Chromium, even things that shouldn't involve a web browser at all. Like so they can make the program UI as if it was a web page, allowing easy portability to other platforms such as tablets and game consoles.
ahleron
Not everything. Also, I use a Mac, not Windows. Far more likely to have embedded WebKit than embedded Chrome if it is even using an embedded browser at all.
BlackDawn1337
So are you using Firefox?
ahleron
Yes. But I also use other browsers; I just avoid Chrome.
d0o0o0d
Yup. Chrome is spyware that happens to feature a web browser.
ahleron
That's probably one of the best ways to describe it.
WhyShouldILoveYou
But like, literally every major browser except Firefox runs on Chromium. Which sure, isn't technically the same thing as Chrome.
ahleron
Which is why I primarily use Firefox.
echonite
But still owned by them, so yeah, basically the same.
WeatherWiz
128gb of memory should be enough for at LEAST 6 chrome tabs :P
WolfRamX4
Not to brag, but I just opened 7. At the same time.
schleimkeim
Or two instances of Eclipse.
mrmb
Only if the indexer isn't running
Newitt
Unless a mis-coded autoplay ad glitches one of the websites & prevents it from loading.
TheGodEmperorOfChaos
Not even 3
Vortexhelios320
I can never tell if you guys are joking, exaggerating, or something is wrong with your computers... I know Chrome is a bit more greedy than others, but I use 32GB and am able to go down the occasional 16+ tab rabbit holes with no issue...
BIDWK
It's exaggeration, or they don't actually have an issue and just perpetuate it for the memes. But yeah, at 32gb, I've dozens of tabs while gaming. Even back when 16gb was enough for AAA gaming, you could still run an unreasonable number of tabs out of fear of losing/forgetting the tab lmao. A bit like prices of PCs, people look at stuff like 4090s and treat it like that's the minimum, which just massively inflates the perceived price
Movietimeme
Same
Sascylle
I assume joking. Till last summer I had a pc with 16GB and have gone over 50 tabs with that plenty often, only then taking the time to find and close unused tabs because they become too small to conveniently swap between. It still feels weird to have a browser use more RAM than a recent video game, but the same is easy to accomplish with firefox.
DoseOfScience
I think it had more to do with the big rockets attached to the computer than the amount of ram.
Newitt
The big rockets had to know where to go and how to get there, though.
DoseOfScience
Yeah, but a basic PID controller can probably handle that now. Don't blame bad business decisions on the hardware.
Hammerwell
If you made a new computer with the same UI as the AGC, I doubt you would need as much ram.
OdinYggd
Imagine performing the Apollo moon mission using a pair of Arduino Uno devices as your guidance computer, one each in the CSM and LM. That's about the level of system resources they used to do the job, at a blazing fast 2MHz compared to the Arduino's 16-20MHz.
ToSisPoS
The funniest thing is boomers trying to take credit for the moonshots. That was their parents. They were all at Woodstock that year if I understand the historical document Forrest Gump correctly.
rbudrick
Their apollo computer bits were wires hand sewn around individual magnets.
LucidPariah
I'm running Firefox, have an extension to sort tab groups. Apparently I have almost 1700 tabs opened between all my anime shows, various tabs for Skyrim mods, porn, various tutorials for things I lost interest in doing, porn and other random pages. I built a pretty decent gaming PC so I guess that's why Firefox with that many tabs open doesn't even make my computer flinch
StevesAPunk
Less screen, less graphics, less nonsense.
d0o0o0d
No javascript.
Grimmrog
Todays news dites are 2/3rd ads, its horrible
Zetor
Sometimes I think if I could set up my laptop just with text interface. No distractions, just code.
StevesAPunk
Linux. Use Linux. š
Zetor
I do
ProxyPlayerHD
welp, time to install UNIX System V and get rid of all that extra nonsense like multi-core processing, 64-bit ints, and GUIs! /s
amp99
You can run a distro without a window manager, so you only boot into a terminal/shell. Then you can launch your code editor and anything else you need from there. You can also use something like tmux ( https://github.com">mux/wiki">https://github.com/tmux/tmux/wiki https://youtu.be/252K9lrRdMU ) to let you split your terminal/shell into multiple different windows and panes. This cheat sheet might also come in handy: https://tmuxcheatsheet.com
d0o0o0d
...it won't work out the way you think. Trust me on this.
xlr82xs
Nuttsy
All I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead...
Sylventhe
This really has more to do with how software is developed now vs back then,
Back then, the total program size and memory requirement was specified up-front, and was a hard limit.
Now, as long as the machine doesn't crash, the amount of memory used isn't even often specified at all when developing software.This is true for at least desktop software development.
SherMattLockSmith
WTF is up with people still calling Chrome memory hungry? It's been like 3 years now since they initiated tab caching, you can open 200 tabs and your memory won't even go above 2 gigs usage because it caches background tabs to disk, update you fucking memes people!
danielsan1977
To be fair, most of the calculations to get astronauts to the moon were done using slide rules and such.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
The cool thing is that the things we needed to do in the 60s aren't all that different than the things we need to do now (though many more things are now possible too) so we found a way to make do with what we had. Slow primitive expensive computer with 4K or memory on a good day? Go to the fucking moon! Run a billion-dollar bank on a $20M computer with 1MB of memory? No problem!
swedeonamoose
Whait there are other browsers than Firefox ?
MuffinProof
Firefox still exists?
maqp2
Yup, Mullvad Browser and Tor Browser. No wait they're both Firefox based :>
graifazig
Less malware, spying, and ads to protect against as well. Those were fairly isolated systems that didn't have to deal with the internet. All of the extra safety measures take up resources as well.
NotThePoint
Pff... you could have at least used a real picture of the Apollo computer.
stlupo
Was the USB port the giveaway?
emptyother
I easily broke 64GB memory with a modded Cities Skylines 1. Only game that has managed that so far. And a warning: MW2 perma-banned me for upgrading to 128GB. So dont do that if you play it.
qtRaven
Why the hell would they do that?
emptyother
Its not like they tell anyone the reason for the ban. But it certainly made me doubt their banning numbers they brag about to gaming media.
AmIAUniquePersonality
Try Firefox
johnnycrookedtree
I use Opera, and duckduckgo
marsilies
The actual RAM module from the Apollo Guidance Computer
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immunity
RAM doesn't need lights. Stop putting RGB garbage on system components damnit - it's a shitty way to artificially jack up the price.
Zedrapazia
People should do whatever they want in my opinion, but fuck, has it become hard to buy PC components that don't vomit rainbows on you.
Yes, it looks pretty and all, but it's distracting as hell when you're trying to play a game with the entire engine blinking like a Christmas tree.
And before anyone tells me to just turn it off, you can't do that without playing around in some program mess, and even if you do, it might just enable itself on again after the machine is turned off and on again.
jasjourno
All about that bling
youreathing
The problem is people keep buying it. I had to go out of my way to get NON-rgb components for my latest build.
lelevup
Indeed. Paradoxically, to save money on the PC case I had to get one with RGB fans...
maqp2
Just wait until all the non-RGB crap is prosumer stuff like Asus PRO ART that comes with pointless thunderbolt connectors, 10Gb networking and an Apple Tax.
hjf2011
Or, you know, do. Let people do whatever the fuck they want. No one is preventing you from buying vanilla Kingston KVR modules.
maqp2
Sometimes money is. I had a nasty case of RGB memory in bundle and now have to live with my decision. Closed case so ultimately idgaf
jinbee
Honestly I've bought a few pc components that had RGB LEDs just because they were actually the best priced one for the actual spec. Didn't realise my mobo had them until I fired it up 1st time.
dislurkerdude
Who uses chrome in 2024?
TheMobilePengwing
Some SAAS will outright tell you that they develop for Chrome and canāt guarantee functionality on anything else. Not even Chromium.
Glaring at my former employer Salesforce general direction.
echonite
Lots of people. Its common in businesses for website compatibility issues.
jplusc
the same people/companies who used IE in the early 2000s
Radix865
Around 64% of the global marker according to quick google search.
myfirstandlastpostever
Am I going to be laughed out the room for admitting Iām happy with Safari?
Felberin
It's not the Crhome tabs, I have currently maybe 150 of them open. Working fine with less than 50GB. But I do run adblock on chome, and I bet that's the secret.
So we should really turn this kind of chrome bashing to just ad bashing. I mean Chrome bashing could be more factual, like pointing out how the built in tracking is outright sinister, and it's quite obvious what Alphabet is trying to do with their moves to making competitive tracker obsolete :P
AllThingsNinja
fellow 50+ tabs gang member here
Hammerwell
My pi-hole filters about 50% of my computers requests, and it's surely not all-encompassing. So, maybe?
76000BatteryLlamas
Does no one understand what bookmarks are
Felberin
Those things you do by accident, and never remember to open later? I've heard of them :O
SherMattLockSmith
No, people are just rehashing old fucking memes. It's been like 3 years since Chrome initiated background tab caching, you can have as many tabs open as you like, it caches background tabs to disk so it won't eat memory anymore.
theworldcouldbeflat
So this is just one of those irrational things semi-informed computer people say without really knowing the truth. Like how they hate MAC.
SherMattLockSmith
Oh, no nono, hating mac is perfectly reasonable. I have been Linux exclusive since like 2006, I have been given macbook pros for free, I don't fucking use them because they are that fucking horrible. If you want to pay for overpriced hardware and a locked down OS where you are told what you can and cannot do then go ahead, I won't stop you, but I will judge you.
theworldcouldbeflat
The OS isn't "locked down" just the easy tools provided by apple to make your cursor a mouse instead of a pointer for example are not pre-installed and require a separate download. Interesting that you are Linux user cause so is every MAC user. However what makes you seem irrational is it is apparent that you don't know modern Linux typically looks and functions like a MAC. Almost like you irrationally decided it was bad not understanding apple is providing all the code.
SherMattLockSmith
Mac is unix based, not linux, there is a vast difference. It is HIGHLY locked down, what are you smoking? Do you know what it takes to get an app approved for MAC? And no, modern linux does not "typically look like and function like a mac" I can literally do anything I want and have either the most minimalist desktop or the most feature rich, on apple you are stuck with what apple fucking gives you, GTFO with this bullshit.
SherMattLockSmith
You say it "isn't locked down" but then reference that you need to get special tools that only apple can provide and install them to just be able to change a setting on your mouse, AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT IS LOCKED DOWN?!?!
14NipplesAndSomeGin
You can blame lazy developers for this shit. Look at how much of your RAM is getting used by your system while you're idling. I have 16gb of RAM and doing nothing, about 1/3 of it is in use by Windows and background tasks. RAM got so cheap and ubiquitous that developers got to a point where they didnt have to optimize everything to be as small and fast as it could be- it's almost completely countered out how good computers have gotten over there years >
thomn8r
Back when U was a C developer i would run a profiler on my code and inline the "hottest" parts in assembler
thomn8r
Now get off my fucking lawn
CheddarIsBeddar
I've been spoken to by upset management many times for optimizing my code. Developers don't want to make bad code, they're forced into it by "just ship the feature already!" managers.
14NipplesAndSomeGin
It's just so wild. "They'll have enough memory to run it" or "we'll patch it later." None of that was acceptable in days past. It shouldn't be acceptable now. It's part of what annoys me so much about the software as a service - the software is never finished now. I'm paying a premium to be a fucking beta tester.
RooGryphon
then compile your own OS that you wrote from scrach so you know exactly how that system should work if your so concerned over your ram usage
14NipplesAndSomeGin
I started running Arch to get away from Microsoft's nonsense with Windows- so in a way I did. Not that it matters. Expecting software developers to follow good development practices isn't some beyond the pale expectation.
GOAE
False dichotomy. One can criticize something without being obligated to create their own to learn how hard it may be to do so. It's like criticizing a chef for burning your food. You don't need to be a chef or experience their hardship to know burnt food is objectively worse than non-burnt food, and often burnt food is also carcinogenic.
GOAE
In part yes. But it's also that we have tons of long term open source projects that keep getting more and more features, and many of those features require more memory even when unused (such as keeping the image's instructions in memory). Just look at some of Chromium's dll files, some of those alone are larger than the RAM of the computers that originally browsed the web. But it's largely out of necessity; CSS and JavaScript used to not be a thing at all, now all browsers support them.
14NipplesAndSomeGin
It's not strictly an open-source problem. Even top tier closed-source software has gotten worse over the years. https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/12/25/is-software-getting-worse/
GOAE
Not to mention using more RAM actually CAN be an optimization. Unrolling loops and inlining small functions for example will result in more instructions, but often faster execution. I'm sure Chromium's dll's can be way smaller if optimized for size, but on modern computers since assets and scripts keep getting larger and more complex using more memory can speed those things up. There's well over twice as many image formats browsers support nowadays, and many are multi-megabyte.
GOAE
I don't think people appreciate just how much stuff browsers have to do. The list keeps getting larger and to prevent the older websites from breaking, it's all gotta be backwards compatible. Aside from operating systems, browsers are probably the 2nd more complex software programs in the world.
14NipplesAndSomeGin
Up to a point, and in a vacuum, sure, but when everyone develops following your philosophy the end result is a negative experience for the end-user. See my previous comment with a link on how bad software has gotten over the years as well.
14NipplesAndSomeGin
Software has demonstrably gotten slower, bulkier, and less responsive over the years because of this.
hjf2011
No one is forcing you to upgrade, you know. It sounds like an old laptop would be "perfectly adequate" for you. You can use Office 2003 just fine.
14NipplesAndSomeGin
Where did I say someone was forcing me to upgrade? That's completely beside the point of the fact that software has gotten measurably worse over the years.
hjf2011
The reality is: it hasn't. LITERALLY today I installed windows 7 on a machine that had windows 7 from factory. It was as slow as it was back in the day. My current machine from 2019, with software from 2024 is way faster than that 2010 machine with 2010 software. (hell, it has an SSD now, originally it only had an HDD).
14NipplesAndSomeGin
I didn't say computers have gotten slower. I said -software- has. There's a lot of reasons for it but it mostly all boils down to lazy development practices becoming the standard. https://stackoverflow.blog/2023/12/25/is-software-getting-worse/
lelindepage
Consider Firefoxā¦
76000BatteryLlamas
Consider Pale Moon or Waterfox - Firefox is getting just as bad
atoyot
I use Brave. Are there any known issues with that?
ForceKinTim
Been downloading fallout:NV mods today. 590 tabs and firefox chugging just fine
thekreat
Maaan, I had to format and lost my 400+ mods NV. I don't have the strength to do it again...
HOLAKOOO
Im fine with edge. More so while at work.
Christx30
Consider the coconut
qtRaven
Or Pale Moon. It's old school Firefox style browser.
immunity
I dunno man. I've got 4 tabs open, and running 12 quality of life add-ons, and it's sitting at about 350MB for me. Not too bad.
azimir
And not running Windows. It's impressive how much RAM just booting that OS takes up.
Turkleturts
If windows is chugging your ram, you need better ram. If windows is taking more than 30 seconds to fully boot up, you need more ram and an M2. Once started, it should be using less than 70mb of ram, and running it is a non-issue on modern machines.
hotrodny
Oh, you mean the browser that is KNOWN for memory problems? Have they fixed it yet?
Marikhen
Firefox is fine as far as RAM goes. It tops out at about 10GB visible and 3-4GB invisible RAM on my 64GB system. The issue is that when ->
Marikhen
I let Firefox run for more than two or three weeks it starts causing regular spikes in network latency. Its handling of YouTube sucks also.
PineappleLoopsBrOether
I learned that Brave browser is just as bad as Chrome, but Opera seems to do a little better........... I have a lot of tabs open.
youreathing
I actually like Brave for it's built in ad-blocking.
monkeytrench
"In 2016, Opera was acquired by an investment group led by a Chinese consortium. ... Opera is a subsidiary of Kunlun Tech Co., Ltd., and controlled by Zhou Yahui.[" That's gonna be a no from me dog
donorkort
It's also just another Chromium browser like Chrome.
Damicske
And build on Chromium just like Edge and other browsers :(
AmIAUniquePersonality
Opera is Chinese
ItsAWonderfulButt
Edge is where it's at. Already baked into Windows and running in the background anyway, so saves on half the RAM usage. Otherwise user experience for past 2 years has been good. It's even my default browser on my phone.
SofaH3ro
It's a big improvement over Explorer, but people are so poisoned from Explorer that they won't trust another Microsoft browser.
VioletCatastrophe
Edge is still chromium. It's a better browser than chrome for sure, but it's still chromium.
Komorikat
This. Edge actually does damn well. Memory usage is good and haven't ever had issues with some sites like chrome. Even on Mac it runs better than chrome
TitillatingPterodactyl
*cowers in the corner with his edge browser*
14NipplesAndSomeGin
Honestly Edge has gotten pretty good. I'm using it now. Shit, I used Chrome to download Edge the other day so I could run it in Linux.
JeanLucguizamos
Edge is chrome these days but i like the aesthetics
TheInkonMymind
... so you are a chrome user in denial ?
kaitco1984
I admire your honesty!
SomeDetroitGuy
*Netscape Navigator
PineappleLoopsBrOether
Prodigy! Nextel! Blackberry pagers!
JeanLucguizamos
What is this nostalgia word association XD
Hammerwell
Now, if you go this way, go all the way. Go Lynx.
03448203970326357609
Lynx is so fast, blocking all ads.... and videos, pictures, javascript, ....
SmoeAhsolse
š¼ We didn't start the fire š¶
n0gal
I'm a firestarter. Twisted firestarter.
tantallous
i've been having a lot of issues with FF lately. it starts fine but if i leave a tab open for a day or two it bloats to like 6 gigs.
Marikhen
That was me with Chrome 4 or 6 years ago. Opened it up to Gmail, and two days later one tab one window 4GB RAM. Started at 800MB.
immunity
Usually when something like that happens a third party extension, or the site itself, is at fault. I run uBlock Origin as an ad-blocker, and a couple of weeks back Imgur changed something in its code - 15 minutes of leaving the tab open resulted in like 10k blocked requests - which is not normal. They (either uBlock or Imgur) sorted it out a few days later though.
tantallous
just wanted to come back and say that since i swapped blockers like you suggested i havent had the issue come up again. thanks :)
immunity
Awesome, glad it helped. Often times with tech issues the situation can get pretty nuanced from machine to machine, so it's great when something actually works!
tantallous
ah. that could be then. i've got adguard maybe that is doing it. it happens on like.. every site. amazon, imgur, random google results page, icyveins.. like any tab at all could end up with huge memory issue. might try a dif blocker...
immunity
uBlock Origin (make sure it's the Origin variant off the official Mozilla extensions page) is the way to go man. Handles YouTube garbage flawlessly as well. Obviously, make sure you disable/uninstall AdGuard first.
tantallous
will give it a shot see if it stops this nonsense. thanks :) i mean i could just.. not have tons of tabs for no reason. but what if i need it for something some day??? :p
hjf2011
how much RAM do you have in your system though?
tantallous
looks like only 32. i had thought 64 but i guess i was trying to save some money when i did it a few years ago. was during covid and no work so :p
hjf2011
So wait. You have 32 gigs of ram but you want your computer NOT to use them? Why do you even have them in the first place? RAM is there to be used. If it didn't cache things in RAM it'd be reading from disk which is around 1000 times slower.
Marikhen
I get the ideology behind "unused RAM is wasted RAM," but there's value in having readily available resources that don't need to be shuffled
tantallous
i want my browser to not use 20+ of it for just existing.
CaptainThePirate
Hell nah as one of the worlds 256 designated Firefox users Iām not giving up my spot for anyone.
lrateyourrig
Lord knows I'm holding out. I don't even close my browser anymore unless my computer restarts for me.
relsky
Shit I didn't realize I was that exclusive? If anyone wants my Firefox, they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands!
MitBrugernavnVarTaget
The Power of the Fox, didn't start having issues until 4500... but hush... don't tell anyone
lordfwahfnah
Good thing they added a search function for the tabs
Noesies
Have you heard of bookmarks?
DontKnowTheSource
See but if I bookmark the tab I'm never going back. If I leave it open I have to close it at one point
Noesies
Would that be any different to never reading and closing it? š