"This demonstrates that these are not serious people" -To be fair it was demonstrated more than a decade ago. This is one more evidence that they are careless, reckless, and very dangerous people
Like really, I know a little about handling restricted information because I briefly worked as a national laboratory as a student, so had to do the training on what to do if you come across them.
There's a whole procedure and specific people you have to call if someone leaves a file open on their desk, if you randomly find one on the sidewalk that got dropped, etc. etc. And just because you have a certain level of clearance doesn't mean you have access to every file at that clearance level.
Its very reassuring to hear a politician use "fuck" in describing things that are fucked up, meanwhile schumer is making nice in the gym next to these fuckers. Pete needs to be on tv or youtube everyday explaining the fuck ups of this administration
Pete, we knew. America knew. Every human on the planet knew. They didn’t care or were powerless to do anything about it. At every opportunity to make the corrective action, the opposite and most inappropriate response was taken instead. Every. Single. Time. I keep asking? Where is the line? Where is the breaking point where people will stand up and say enough is enough and put the fear of god back into these people.
"...these are not serious people..." They're fucking criminals and they don't give a flying fuck about anyone or anything with them being paid for it. They are not even people, serious or not! Arrest them for treason!!!! Deport them to prisons in El Salvador!!!!
Why does this type of catastrophic shit happen and there’s never never any retribution or consequences for Trump? I know I’m in Bizzaro World but come on!
I'm almost convinced that it wasn't an accident. Almost everybody in his cabinet is a lightning rod serving the same purpose that MTG and bobert do, which is to distract people. Something like this only makes me worry what they're trying to sneak past us in the ensuing flurry of news. It feels like a smoke screen because something this dumb would be hard to do on accident even for them.
And if they were discussing this, what the hell else are they all talking about, outside of the official channels that legally must be recorded, out of the view of those with oversight responsibilities?
I wish the media would delve deeper into how little Trump knows about what's going on in his administration -- for example, he didn't hear about this major security breach until the media asked him about it, and he claims he didn't sign the Alien Enemies Act invocation. What *does* he know? Someone should go through the list of EO's he supposedly signed and ask him if he signed (and ask for details of what it's about). Expose his senility and/or lack of control of his administration.
Sorry you guys - but I really don't understand how this is getting anyone upset.
You made a reality tv star president, who hired a conservative news channel host as secretary of defense and gave some other key roles to parts of his family ... what level of competence did you expect?
It's getting people upset because people are going to die. Literal deadly serious decisions are being made by deeply un-serious people. You should take this seriously. It's troubling that you don't.
Pete is just another Biden. Hell probably even worse, considering how unwilling Pete is to actually do anything against the capitalism destroying society. Hell, before he became politician, he used to be part of it. You DO NOT want Pete as your president. Do not be fooled by his willingness to call trump out. That is merely the very lowest of low bars.
We need to be asking WHY they were using this outside channel, because I believe it was specifically to avoid records-keeping requirements and avoid oversight. These people are playing with our lives.
It's important to remember that when Rump says something shouldn't have happened, what he MEANS is that they shouldn't have gotten caught. That whole thing about illegally using 3rd party insecure apps to discuss our national security, that part is deliberate and intentional, because it leaves no records.
Oh I find this very credible. Of course he doesn't know what the fuck is going on most of the time--the US federal government is bafflingly, incomprehensibly large. And of course, much of the time THEY lie to HIM about what's happening.
This is one of the defining challenges faced by dictators: just look at Putin during the run-up to 2022. Nobody can tell Putin anything but that they'll be marching through Kyiv in triumph three days hence, because they don't want to go to the fucking gulag...
...When the single indispensable qualification for serving in the regime is you say what Dear Leader wants to hear, the whole edifice gets infested with liars. Lying to and about Dear Leader is the one qualification they all share in common.
So yes, Trump very often doesn't know what's happening. He built it that way on purpose. That's half the reason he doesn't do email either: deniability. He doesn't WANT to know. Just take care of it--the fuck I pay you people for anyway?
People aren't yet understanding how big this is. This is far bigger than Watergate. this is the end of the administration. I promise you, it will not continue after this.
I strongly disagree. This incident will not generate any significant consequences for this administration. Perhaps someone will be fired/sacrificed - perhaps someone that Trump has fallen out with anyway. Good opportunity for him to show off.Then the Republicans will consider the matter closed and the news cycle will continue as before. If anything, this incident might prompt them to put a little more effort into not getting caught.
I made a promise. This was a gift. we "accidently" knew about musk playing china war? this time we accidently know about this with receipts? I made a promise. the administration will not survive this scandal
OK, I accept your point of view and argument. I'd bet £50 on my outcome over yours. What would be the mechanism for any real consequences, considering that this administration changes the law at will, and ignores judicial rulings? Good bet. Let's call it evens.
JackalopeElope
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
Mr President, what are your thoughts on this massive security breach?
"Oh, I don't really like The Atlantic"
Fucking classic Donny Shitpants.
DrKonrad
"This demonstrates that these are not serious people" -To be fair it was demonstrated more than a decade ago. This is one more evidence that they are careless, reckless, and very dangerous people
flavivsaetivs
Like really, I know a little about handling restricted information because I briefly worked as a national laboratory as a student, so had to do the training on what to do if you come across them.
There's a whole procedure and specific people you have to call if someone leaves a file open on their desk, if you randomly find one on the sidewalk that got dropped, etc. etc. And just because you have a certain level of clearance doesn't mean you have access to every file at that clearance level.
gorillaClutch
Its very reassuring to hear a politician use "fuck" in describing things that are fucked up, meanwhile schumer is making nice in the gym next to these fuckers. Pete needs to be on tv or youtube everyday explaining the fuck ups of this administration
LivingDeadX
Consequences? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Besides, this was all Bide-… Obam-… er… Hilary’s fault. We blame wokeness. MAGA!
justadude41123
Pete, we knew. America knew. Every human on the planet knew. They didn’t care or were powerless to do anything about it. At every opportunity to make the corrective action, the opposite and most inappropriate response was taken instead. Every. Single. Time. I keep asking? Where is the line? Where is the breaking point where people will stand up and say enough is enough and put the fear of god back into these people.
JesusofMethlehem
Putin is on that Signal group chat, bet
nojustsayitdont
He's lying. One of his first defense responses to something he is lying about is to attack belittle the messenger, as he did with the Atlantic here.
Albertorius
Plus, you can see he's lying because he's talking
Atlasguitar
For all that is holy, I wish he would stop talking.
sloppyjoeska
DJOldguy
"...these are not serious people..." They're fucking criminals and they don't give a flying fuck about anyone or anything with them being paid for it. They are not even people, serious or not! Arrest them for treason!!!! Deport them to prisons in El Salvador!!!!
truthjusticetheamericanway
Why does this type of catastrophic shit happen and there’s never never any retribution or consequences for Trump? I know I’m in Bizzaro World but come on!
Bowtie8bit
AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO TRUMP?? WHY IS HE INVINCIBLE?
cptsilver
Propaganda, and not enough courage on the left to do something real
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cptsilver
that is what i'm saying, nobody has the courage on the democrat side to step in, to "get him"
BronyDanza
Loyalty over competence is the Ttump playbook.
IDoNotWantAnAccount
sochilln
iMcFly
Has this ever reached as high as 1?
sochilln
Not even 1 second
iMcFly
CRAAAAAAIIIIIIIIG
I'm almost convinced that it wasn't an accident. Almost everybody in his cabinet is a lightning rod serving the same purpose that MTG and bobert do, which is to distract people. Something like this only makes me worry what they're trying to sneak past us in the ensuing flurry of news. It feels like a smoke screen because something this dumb would be hard to do on accident even for them.
necrojoe
And if they were discussing this, what the hell else are they all talking about, outside of the official channels that legally must be recorded, out of the view of those with oversight responsibilities?
smallteam
What else were they discussing? Some young female staffer's tits and ass.
sfbiker
I wish the media would delve deeper into how little Trump knows about what's going on in his administration -- for example, he didn't hear about this major security breach until the media asked him about it, and he claims he didn't sign the Alien Enemies Act invocation. What *does* he know? Someone should go through the list of EO's he supposedly signed and ask him if he signed (and ask for details of what it's about). Expose his senility and/or lack of control of his administration.
SonnyVabitch
This guy is SEETHING! That's Pete BOILING with RAGE!
pibyte
Sorry you guys - but I really don't understand how this is getting anyone upset.
You made a reality tv star president, who hired a conservative news channel host as secretary of defense and gave some other key roles to parts of his family ... what level of competence did you expect?
jfrhvkm26r
It's getting people upset because people are going to die. Literal deadly serious decisions are being made by deeply un-serious people. You should take this seriously. It's troubling that you don't.
Hotsauceman
I want him or Tim Walz for president so bad
flavivsaetivs
Tim Walz would be better than Buttigieg. Walz actually is on the left, Buttigieg is another Corporate Neoliberal.
Either would still be an improvement over Trump (or Biden or Kamala for that matter).
scoutMoonDiver
And AOC for vice president
Clippyjustwantedtohelp
Mark Kelly.
Decitron
Buttigeg is a establishment loser and sucks shit. https://youtu.be/DMmoB2WMMlo?si=3URMyM7z8pYc4dUT <- lots of citations
ShitIstoleFrom4chan
Pete is just another Biden. Hell probably even worse, considering how unwilling Pete is to actually do anything against the capitalism destroying society. Hell, before he became politician, he used to be part of it. You DO NOT want Pete as your president. Do not be fooled by his willingness to call trump out. That is merely the very lowest of low bars.
andydicktracymorganfairchild
I want my boy J.B. Pritzker, and Pete for vp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS66O1C7Gp4&list=WL&index=83&t=213s
flavivsaetivs
JB Pritzker for Great Khan
mcodger
Yep, and sadly there are no adults in the administration.
malbec
I would love to go out for a beer with this guy… sadly I would bring nothing to the conversation
keyserv
It hasn't even been three months what the fuck.
jfrhvkm26r
We need to be asking WHY they were using this outside channel, because I believe it was specifically to avoid records-keeping requirements and avoid oversight. These people are playing with our lives.
TheMomaw
It's important to remember that when Rump says something shouldn't have happened, what he MEANS is that they shouldn't have gotten caught. That whole thing about illegally using 3rd party insecure apps to discuss our national security, that part is deliberate and intentional, because it leaves no records.
nanikaprofound
I think most of us around here would be happy for Pete to wade in on everything that's going on at the moment
ilovedarkchocolate
Can we get behind this man for 2028?
GuyLuomo
Yes! To push him off a cliff.
ilovedarkchocolate
Nice. No violence there.
kawem
yes he lying. of course he's lying. He cant hardly go a sentence with out lying
3nd3rwiggin
One competent reporter asking the right questions in the right way could get this idiot to braggingly admit everything.
funken77
He lies so much that he has mistakenly told the truth before.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
He's lied so much that it doesn't matter if he's telling the truth now
CleverGroom
Oh I find this very credible. Of course he doesn't know what the fuck is going on most of the time--the US federal government is bafflingly, incomprehensibly large. And of course, much of the time THEY lie to HIM about what's happening.
This is one of the defining challenges faced by dictators: just look at Putin during the run-up to 2022. Nobody can tell Putin anything but that they'll be marching through Kyiv in triumph three days hence, because they don't want to go to the fucking gulag...
CleverGroom
...When the single indispensable qualification for serving in the regime is you say what Dear Leader wants to hear, the whole edifice gets infested with liars. Lying to and about Dear Leader is the one qualification they all share in common.
So yes, Trump very often doesn't know what's happening. He built it that way on purpose. That's half the reason he doesn't do email either: deniability. He doesn't WANT to know. Just take care of it--the fuck I pay you people for anyway?
idrinkcheapbeer
People aren't yet understanding how big this is. This is far bigger than Watergate. this is the end of the administration. I promise you, it will not continue after this.
idrinkcheapbeer
Its going to take another two hundred and fucking 50 more years to ever get back to where we were but it's where i live.
Festerboob
I strongly disagree. This incident will not generate any significant consequences for this administration. Perhaps someone will be fired/sacrificed - perhaps someone that Trump has fallen out with anyway. Good opportunity for him to show off.Then the Republicans will consider the matter closed and the news cycle will continue as before. If anything, this incident might prompt them to put a little more effort into not getting caught.
idrinkcheapbeer
I made a promise. This was a gift. we "accidently" knew about musk playing china war? this time we accidently know about this with receipts? I made a promise. the administration will not survive this scandal
Festerboob
OK, I accept your point of view and argument. I'd bet £50 on my outcome over yours. What would be the mechanism for any real consequences, considering that this administration changes the law at will, and ignores judicial rulings? Good bet. Let's call it evens.
idrinkcheapbeer
I promise to give you that £50 when I need to flee and need a sponsor for a week. I'll take it from there.
Festerboob
No problem, come and hide with me in Glasgow dude.
lljkstonefish
It's at least the 75th "bigger than watergate" thing they've done. But we live in hope.
idrinkcheapbeer
no, I dont ever make promises easily. I stand by this one solidly.
lljkstonefish
Oh cool. Keep me posted.
idrinkcheapbeer
im hardly your news source. just remember the promise.