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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/07/15/trump-classified-trial-dismisssed-cannon/
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RarestXenonAlso
Between his lunatic cult followers and his disgusting rhetoric we are beyond doomed. Even if he loses, even if he goes to jail where he belongs, precedence has been set and you can bet your bottom dollar his puppy dog followers in the GOP are going to pick up the mantle and continue with this madness. Crazy doesn't just go away-it just chances faces. >.<
RyanH42
The inbreds in the swing states are going to ignore this blatant corruption and put the fascist pedophile back in the White House.
galapas
SupraPRC
threenotch23
Nov 5th is the most important day in the history of the USA since July 4th 1776. VOTE!!!!
Gracethehedgehog
Obstruction of justice charges - just like in Mueller - not adjudicated. This has to stop.
UnluckyLunkhead
In America you get the Justice you can afford... And this one was bought and paid for.
SithElephant
At least seven, not five. (Cannon, and the 6 supreme court justices that signed on to the presidential immunity judgement)
malkavian3str
This is going to reversed by a non-corrupt appelate court. But then the Supremes will have a go, and you know, will they double down on the lawlessness? And of course all of this gains time.
makesense
Woman is about to get a serious smackdown from her superiors.
GlobalImageServiceCat
It is Trump judges all the way up.
Agatsu74
What a shithole country.
johnvilnis
Judge Cannon just fucked up, this will be appealed straight away because special counsels have been appointed by the AG for ages with no problem.
Her bias might even get her sanctioned if everyone is lucky.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
If it's not clear by now, after decades of republican victories the judiciary is well and truly stacked. This is "elections have consequences", this one being from 2016 and 2018. Electing Biden in 2020 doesn't erase that. America can vote their way out of this mess, but it'll take more than just one election.
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RPCharImages
Cannon is going to get fucking *crucified* by the appeal division
countflatula
Gaetz called her “ future supreme court justice”…Gee, I wonder what possibly could have made her rule in Trumps favor?
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ThatWeirdoOverYonder
I'm going to boo AND vote, if it's all the same to you.
NeverDownvoteMelBrooks
Voting is the perfect accessory for just about everything. Go nuts!
StewedTomaters
I'm going to vote so that I've done the absolute bare minimum to be able to complain when the boot is crushing my neck
DeadWhiteMale
It's a clear example of conflict of interest. She should have recused herself instead of exonerating the person who appointed her to her post. She must be removed and disbarred from ever practicing law again.
Hightower840
And she did it in mid July to make sure the eventual appeal won't happen until after the election.
She needs to be disbarred.
FinancialRavioli
Good. Jack Smith will appeal this and the case will get assigned to a real judge.
n0n53n53
They know it will, but this will be seen as a victory for Trump at this convention and will present enough of a delay that he can stop all cases when he's sworn in
MinBlick
Been listening to the podcast "Procecuting Donald Trump" for a long while, this seems like the best way for the government to proceed, as it is not up with a jury, no double jeopardy is in effect which means new judge? Can't wait to hear their take on it.
denimdenis
Andrew Weissmann and Mary’s reaction will be as it always is with Cannon (same reaction any reputable legal mind has) which is that Cannon is equal parts incompotent and corrupt and is beyond doubt in Trump’s pocket.
Sadly the thoughts of respected legal scholars and minds is no longer relevant with this dismal timeline we are on, several parts of judiciary absolutely compromised and no longer even trying to hide their schemes
MinBlick
Maybe that will shake people awake. I hope so. And I don't even live in the US.
FinancialRavioli
Yep, Been listening to the same one but am a few days behind.
Prosecuting Donald Trump -=- Pod Save America -=- Opening Arguments -=- Stay Tuned with Preet
All good listens.
MinBlick
I am trying to back off on the heavier American Politics, I live in Sweden so while it is important, I do have the luxury of not being in it all the time.
We are all rooting for you.
FinancialRavioli
Thank you. I really hope we don't let you down.
trippingthelightfantastic
TransAutisticMakinFARTsGoBallistic
I'm gonna need a source on that. The only things I can find on him are un-cited Quora claims and a blog post that looks like ChatGPT-3 made it. (Nothing surprises me anymore about the depths of shit around Trump, but I need sources to convince others.)
MoonMoon89
The timing for this couldn't be better. Being above the law, corruption, not being held accountable. I bet there was a phone call involved.
bannedfornudity
„I need you to do me a favour though.” It’s like waking up sleepers.
darrowcd
He probably sold copies of everything to Putin a long time ago anyway.
SisterMidnight
BronyDanza
This Trunp appointee is just stupid and arrogant enough to believe she could ignore direction from the Federalist Society lawyers that have been coaching her and dismiss the case before it went to trial. If she'd allowed the trial start and then dismissed it entirely there wouldn't be any possibility of appeal which will now happen.
Gotta score those brownie points before the convention if she wants that Supreme Court appointment Ttump promised her.
Ice2Ice2
She actually followed the constitution unlike the democrats
whatsisname
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-classified-documents-case-matt-gaetz-supreme-court
BronyDanza
Far-right Florida congressman is asked by critic: ‘Are you admitting to a quid pro quo?'. Nah, just normalising corruption.
Chakra5
November is for world democracy. Everyone who failed to vote, thought the system needed a shakeup, or split the ticket, needs to recognize their part in this, REGISTER to vote, HELP others do so, EDUCATE, and get in the FUCKING GAME here, because the system as it sits turns on them. ....EVERY......VOTE......MATTERS, and there are not 'two sides' to this shit. Democracy vs Tyranny. And we HAVE the vote for one more round if we're LUCKY & GOOD enough.
moscomule
So he just stole classified documents and stored them in a members only club with no particular order or system and he’s just…allowed to do this!? No accountability?
GlenL
Oh, she didn't rule at all on what Trump did, she just said special councils, which have been a thing in the USA for over a century, are unconstitutional. This ruling has no basis in law, but that's never stopped her before
kojenk
the thing is, this is all just to waste time. As she has dismissed it she is off the case and it will go to the appeals court as the reason she gave is not rooted in the law. Her decision is egregious enough that the appeals court can decide she can't rehear the case and another judge will get it. The problem is, all of them and the new trial will take too much time. Which was the reason for this
chine
haha yep we have a king, get used to it
Ffudmethen
Well you see he's white and has a bit of money
PeaceBaby
so far ... yes :(
AnOceanOfStars
The law is equal for everyone, you'd be allowed too, if you appointed a bootlicking judge.
moscomule
I’ve been meaning to get around to that but somehow never find the time.
Ice2Ice2
Well Joe Biden stole a classified doc from the SCIF as a senator and also stole docs as VP, as he did not have clearances for those docs either and just stored in his garage.
dontrike
And what else does your script say, bot?
denimdenis
Disnonformation troll, ignore this scum ^^
Taalii
Oh piss off. He took them home by accident and when he realized immediately contacted the proper agencies to make sure he had no others. Trump took thousands including many involving juclear secrets, several of our agents worldwide were killed after he took a list, he posted classified information online, and when called out on it he fought it.
Ice2Ice2
What a joke. He stole the fox from scif and kept it. Nice try
Taalii
Pffft. Watch more fox lies.
Ice2Ice2
No lies just actual facts which blows your mind. You’re so used to being fed bs that you cannot handle the truth.
moscomule
This is true, though the scale feels somewhat different, no? I’m not sure that Biden was allowing people to purchase memberships to come and hang out it in his garage either.
Chakra5
look at the oh so 'reasonable' followup, that starts with stating 'this (utter bs) is true'.
moscomule
I was trying to be reasonable, yes. Biden was clearly in the wrong, but, again, I think the scale seems different.
moscomule
Did he not take documents as well? I thought that he had also been found to have taken documents home?
TheoApollo
Not that he was allowed. The Special Counsel does not have the authority, without congressional approval, to bring charges forward. This has never been a standard until today...so we'll see where that gets us, but SC Jackson already hinted he thought it was not constitutionally allowed.
dontrike
It's cute you think the Supreme Court did this so Jack and his team go through the proper channels and that it's the only way for a special council to happen.
TheoApollo
Trump keeps getting off on "technicalities" and I use the word loosely
DarkRedCape
The DOJ can appoint a special council without congress’ approval. There is precedent for this, as Trumps own Attorneys General, Bill Barr did exactly this. This will go to the appeals, and likely be overturned in Smiths favour, at which point, I would expect he will also ask the judge to be removed.
detectivekagami
This. It’s being dragged tf out
NKato
Jack needs to go full nuclear on this shit. No more kiddie gloves.
TheoApollo
Likely. The decision was weird. I honestly don't get why there would be a need to be approval to bring charges forward...there is already a law passed by Congress. I don't get where she would think there'd need to be an extra step. Where did she get that "insight"?
seehemewe
SC Jackson?
johnvictor
Supreme Court Jackson I am guessing who is not one of the MAGAt judges on the SCOTUS.
seehemewe
Right, though I don’t think Ketanji Brown Jackson is a “he,” nor have I seen anything that Jackson has said Special Prosecutors are unconstitutional.
I *have* seen many reports that Clarence Thomas went out of his way to write an opinion in the “Presidents are essentially kings” ruling that was directed specifically at this issue. Essentially a direct message to Cannon on how to dismiss this case.
RPCharImages
Cannon's been walking a tightrope of incompetence for months. This is going to get her destroyed by the appeals court
gesel
You mean when if the appeals eventually make it to the Supreme Court and the 6 fascists rule consistently with every other ruling they've made? Then? That's when justice actually happens? Sure..... yah, that's how it'll go.
Obviously Trump will never face any consequences, is he even going to be sentenced before he overturns his own conviction?
Aileen has a supreme court seat waiting for her.
RPCharImages
It goes from local to state to federal, so they'd appeal to, I think its the 10th circuit court that oversees Florida, first before going near the supreme court of the US
gesel
Trump now goes to the election without any public hearing about his actions.
Post election it doesn't matter. Thomas has already issued his prior ruling in support of Aileen's ruling alongside "the Trump is absolute dictator" ruling.
Any effort to hold Trump accountable has failed. The Federalist Society planned well and they've won, the Judiciary is corrupt. The next phase is Trump winning, which is proceeding, then the Heritage phase starts and America as we've known it ends.
UprootedGrunt
It should get her disbarred also.
Taalii
And charged criminally.
BendadickCumabatch
And marched through the streets naked while we throw rotten tomatoes yelling "shame".
Taalii
I really don’t want to see that though
DeadWhiteMale
What appeals are available?
RPCharImages
I dont know the exact legal terms, and DontKnowTheSource put it together quite well, but there's a whole slew of procedural issues that Cannon pretty much refused to deal with or set, with Jack having to explain how certain things work to the judge, essentially giving her a law lesson. Theres now enough stuff to have kicked off the case entirely and the circuit court really doesnt like having to deal with her bs, she's already be slapped more than once by them
DontKnowTheSource
An appeal to the cases validity. It's been thrown out without any legal causes. It's basically like tossing out a blank sheet of paper because it's "bad". Appeals court is gonna come and yell at Cannon for wasting the paper and give the sheet to another judge (hopefully)
ThrashAndChemistry
taez555
n0n53n53
RockKickass
Bonnie McMurray 🥰
FragileDonkey
11th circuit will overturn it.
tadrinth
What's stopping SCOTUS from taking up the appeal from the 11th circuit?
Also, what's stopping Garland from just filing the case himself (other than the expected Republican howling over political prosecution).
Blunderwriter
Wishful thinking I'm sure.
SisterMidnight
One hopes
TheoApollo
Probably. What I don't get is the need for congressional approval to bring forward a case. Congress Passed a law, the Justice Department is enforcing it. Why would there need to be an extra step of getting congressional approval?
Darklinkinfinite
Because with the current Supreme Court the law doesn’t mean what the law, even if in plain language, says. It means what the Supreme Court decides it means.
The law gave the Secretary of Education the ability to “waive or modify” student loan programs but apparently that doesn’t mean they can waive them because the Supreme Court said so.
tadrinth
The Congressional approval is needed only for the appointment of a Special Counsel. The Justice Department appoints an outside special counsel rather than just bringing the case themselves when they have a real or perceived conflict of interest. They can just bring the same case themselves...
tadrinth
Except that the case will not be over before the election. If Trump wins, he can then appoint a replacement for Garland and tell them to drop the case against him. That would be much harder to do with a special counsel, which is another reason we invented special counsels in the first place.
kojenk
thats the thing tho, it will be appealled and a retrial setup without the idiot judge, but it will all take a great deal of time. Thats why they did this, to buy more time
Ice2Ice2
I doubt it very much. Jack was never approved by congress
elementcarbon12
Maybe, hopefully. But with the way the courts are behaving, we seem to be in the midst of another coup for this orange stain.
Chereazi
Cannon was nominated and appointed by Trump in 2020.
This was expected, he already prepared for it.
This is why voting matters WAY longer than for 4 years, the negative effects of just the 1 term will last decades.
jayman0123
even if trump loses in November, we will be finding things that trump did for decades during his term. That's just how things are now. every few months we'll just find another THING he did, stole, messed up, tore down w/e.
OmnipotentBeing
There are a lot of things that could actually get fixed, if we can just keep the GOP out of power in the White House, senate, and the house. Trump helped to shine a light on some of the real problems we have as a nation. The GOP and their constant cheating ways.
RyanH42
Big if at this point...
Chakra5
Stop it. Everybody KNOWS this. If you aren't a bot, STOP fucking restating the obvious. Say and DO something worthwhile or shut up about it. In this small moment, this bleet is now part of the bleeding off of morale. IT is literally HELPING make true what you claim to be against.
pritolus
Y'all need to consistently vote blue until the Supreme Court ruling can be reversed, before then any GOP president is likely to be your last
nachosyndicate
I keep thinking this. This is what we know NOW. Imagine 20 years from now.
Illinifan88
Yep. Which is why everyone who didn't vote for Clinton in 2016 can still go fuck themselves. Not sure when they'll be able to be forgiven.
Chakra5
Speaking for all free peoples of the world, I'd prefer they GET IN THE DAMNED GAME and VOTE. We can sort out how upset you are at whom if we fucking survive this. Do you want them to VOTE THIS TIME, or go stand in the corner? Because I know what Vlad and Donald would like.
Illinifan88
It's not my job to hold their hand and give them a pat on the back. They royally fucked us, regardless of how this election turns out. Getting their heads out of their asses and voting for Biden this time is step one towards making amends. It doesn't mean we're square.
PTFCMcGee
seehemewe
A couple SCOTUS judges have been discovered as being corrupt, and then SCOTUS has discovered that rules don't apply to them b/c Congress is dysfunctional, so they're hitting the gas on shutting down every single Trump criminal trial to get him re-elected
HandoB4Javert
Same playbook a Xhitler in the 1930's Germany
SisterMidnight
I know the feeling.
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n0d2ablindh0rs3
I would say “why do you think they requested his appointment?” But we all know most of his legal team are a bunch of mouth breathers like him.
RPCharImages
I mean... No? They've put together a very good case. Cannon's just a fucking moron thats been gumming up the works since day one, the team gave up trying to teach her the law and inste3ad settled to wait for her to make enough mistakes that they could hammer her in appeals
TheoApollo
Cannon states because you need Congress authorization to appoint a special counsel to bring charges against a former executive...don't agree, never been done before wtf.
Perkunas687
Courts have upheld special counsel appointments since Watergate, so it's okay to feel like you're going insane, as many parts of our lives are becoming insane.
kojenk
the thing is, this is all just to waste time. As she has dismissed it she is off the case and it will go to the appeals court as the reason she gave is not rooted in the law. Her decision is egregious enough that the appeals court can decide she can't rehear the case and another judge will get it. The problem is, all of them and the new trial will take too much time. Which was the reason for this
RPCharImages
Cannon doesnt know how to run a jury trial, so this is just par-for the course really. The circuit court is going to eat her alive.
GlobalImageServiceCat
Majority of your fellow Americans want to make Trump their "Christian" King. A few of you on this website think they are the minority.
Dracon27
Bruh, the Republican vote in 2020 was smaller than the Dem vote, and both were smaller than the "did not vote" group. Learn math.
AtmaDarkwolf
Say it with me: CORRUPTION. No other logical excuse at this point. The swamp has been drained.... and filled with sewage.
OmnipotentBeing
This can and will be appealed. This will also lead to Cannon being taken off of the case. The goal was to delay the trial until after the election.
PrinceMaxx7
Which should be exactly what should happen, but sadly her incompetent ass did what Trump paid her for, she managed a delay until after the election in a bid if he's reelected the case disappears.
If the appeals court side with the DOJ, then Trump's lawyers appeal to the Supreme Court and we know the corrupt shitheads on there.
Anybodys
I mean yes, to the above. But it won’t matter. The damage is done. Even before this, there was no chance of a trial and verdict before the election. Now there’s a less than zero chance
OmnipotentBeing
Only if Trump wins the election, which I'd still argue is unlikely. Trump nearly getting shot isn't enough to sway the voters who hate him. They aren't going to just forget about his convictions, pending trials, damage to abortion rights, the way he handled COVID, just because of that. The list of reasons to vote against Trump is nearly endless.
Anybodys
I mean I want to agree and like three weeks ago I absolutely agreed with you. Now…? Idk dude.
Kalavier
The battle is only over if you give up. Until voting day, there is no promise that Biden or Trump will win or lose, so it's important to get out and vote, no matter what.
triggrhaapi
Our job as citizens is to make sure Trump doesn't get elected so that these delays are meaningless
BlueTyphoon
I'd say we missed that chance a few days ago. I'm sorry but I feel so fucking hopeless. ready to roll over and die at this point.
Chalybos
Not until after you’ve cast you vote.
kimbokel
Do not. Please don’t. That is what they want. Election 4 mos away - lots can happen. Volunteer- be part of the solution
triggrhaapi
The whole point of overwhelming you is to get you to want to give up. If you do that, they win. Please do not give up. I know it's difficult to keep going, but that's the only way to keep yourself safe in the long run. Everything between now and the election is theater. Keep your eye on the prize and if you need to disconnect from the news cycle for your well-being I encourage you to do so.
BlueTyphoon
I feel like it's not going to be enough though, y'know? he's going to win. it was decided ages ago at this rate. all we're doing on imgur is repeating in an echo chamber. talking about it in the real world doesn't get us anywhere anymore. trying to convince people is pointless, I've been trying. All I know is once he gets in office again, Myself, and everyone like me (LGBTQ+) is going to be hunted down and arrested, or worse. It's going to be a shit show and I'm fucking terrified.
BHPaperstacks
It's still the same thing we were all going to do in November. vote on Tuesday and remind and help as many people to vote as possible.
Firsthope
The upside is that it will end up in the hands of a more senior (and hopefully more competent) judge.
MenloPart
...after the election.
myotheralt
Fuck, as long as it actually goes to trial.
MenloPart
Hey, if we can keep President Biden in the White House, and gain control of Congress, we have time.
Four years?! :D
upsidedownyhead
Appeal and retrial incoming
Darklinkinfinite
We’ll see. The upside is that if this does see a trial it will be with a new judge.
The downside is if Smith wins on appeal, Trump will appeal, and then we’re back at the Supreme Court where they’ll probably rule that Trump taking and keeping documents were official acts and cannot be prosecuted. No, that’s not the issue being brought up but overreach is SOP for the Supreme Court these days
upsidedownyhead
Retaining them as a private citizen is not an official act and was not done as president. Also obstruction of justice.
Darklinkinfinite
I don’t disagree but given the Supreme Court has made shit up to establish recent rulings how confident are you that they would agree with us and rule accordingly?
Darklinkinfinite
Oh, and that’s IF they don’t drag their feet and decide before July of next year after Trump may be crowned King