I get this, but also it bugs me a little 'cause it agrees with the false premise. Any incel who says "if women don't submit to men they're destined to be alone" is ignoring the vast supermajority of relationships currently happening around America and the rest of the modern world right now.
Every incel I met was totally doing it to themselves with their shitty world views. No one wants to be with a bitter sexist asshole. I’m fatter and uglier than a lot of them but even I can occasionally get laid.
The idea of women being able to stand being without a man scares these people, because that's their last ditch effort. Hoping that desperation will ensure they will be chosen in the end.
we no longer live in a society were women need a man to provide. its actually a social conundrum contributing to reduced birthrates. Idiocracy is still on track to be real because the states with the highest brith rates are all red states. Take elon for example, he has 14 kids
I bet they imagine themselves like that Conan the Barbarian poster, where he's standing on a hill with a sword and 12 pack abs that goes all the way to the neck, and a woman hugging his leg, ready to pounce on him because he saved her from Wokeness.
Those incels will be alone, the women that will not submit will have no issues finding partners because there are plenty of men out there that want a healthy relationship based on equality and mutual respect.
+1 for your comment, following for your art. If you do a monochromatic of the head exploding and add your comment, that would be an amazing use of the internet... but I digress.
I have been hoping for that for all of humanity since the moment I was able to understand what humanity is. I'm not hopeful anymore, but it would be so nice
This head explosion ability is one of my frequent fantasies when daydreaming about superpowers. The other is Nightcrawler’s ability to teleport (among his other abilities). So much I could fix in today’s world…
Well see that's the thing. What if I need them to explode right away and don't have time to see their genitals? With the exlode spell, I can just make them explode.
If I where to pick an XMan teleporter to fantasize about I'd pick Magik. The blue skin, teleporting through hell, and borderline crippling Catholicism are pretty big drawbacks.
I also enjoy the bizarre corollary of: "Misandry is why misogyny exists!" Oh, my naïve, delusional brother in Crust, I think you'll find that your feelings of entitlement to access to women sexually is the belief upon which all your other crazy beliefs are predicated.
After the experiences I've had with every male I've come across I want nothing more than to die alone. Would a good partner be awesome? Yes. Am I going to take the chance of going through that hell again? Probably not. ONLY reason I still think about it is because being a single mom is terrifying. I make so little and their dad is just looking for a reason to take them away from me.
If women don't submit to men, they are destined to be alone. Because the only way they wouldn't be alone would be by making women submit to them. …Wait, what did they mean exactly?
Incel is a neuter term. You're referring to redpilled idiots and other misogynous subgroups. Using incel as an insult is like using soldier as insult, while there are russian soldiers and ukrainian soldiers, which are quite different subgroups of soldiers, at the moment. But I understand people don't hear about non-misogynous because they don't go screeching online like those other subhumans.
The movie is scanners by David Cronenberg. The effect was created using a plaster skull, ballistic gel as muscle, and latex as skin. They filled the head with left over ballistic gel, ground beef, pasta, and anything that was lying around that would create an organic effect. Corn syrup, flour and food dye comprised the blood. The explosion was achieved by shooting the head using a shotgun loaded with kosher salt, which is a very fine salt, to hide it's presence. One of the best practical effects
"Oh, and Fear Factor, I watched maybe a half hour After that, felt like I needed a long shower Network execs with naked ambitions Next week on FOX, watch lions eat Christians Like to tie up those programming planners Make them watch all that junk 'til their heads explode just like Scanners" -Weird Al, Couch Potato.
1.) On the topic of incels, what's sad is I actually know an Incel, a good Incel, not one of the deplorable degenerates of society, he's a nerd, he's into star trek, He introduced me to it, he's an all around good boy, but women find him uninteresting, try as I might it's not going through, and when that got found out by his office mates, that he's never had a date before, they immediately ridiculed him as the weird incel virgin, and it boils my blood that I wanna pummel them to the ground.
A friend of mine isn't good with women. He's been with a few, but they can't see past his imperfections to see the truly good dude he is. He ended up with a narcissist that took advantage of his good nature, popped out 2 kids, and now he's working on full custody. He's said he's done with relationships, but I do know a girl that is into him.
He can’t learn how to be kind to women? That’s what women are attracted to. When someone says thatthey can’t get a girlfriend because they are too nice, they aren’t nice at all
His biggest "problem" is that he is a tad on the spectrum, but I still call the man my brother and know he deserves better. But I also think we shouldn't be telling guys they don't need someone to make them happy. But this guy could make someone really happy if given the chance.
Sadly, we're Filipino, Nerdy women are rare here, even amongst millenials it's rare, even in Gen Alpha, which is kinda surprising because we're living in an age of the rise of nerds, I just became one after getting introduced to Lower Decks.
While it might not be the officially accepted definition, I wouldn't call somebody like that an incel. I only refer to men as incels if they're alone because they're misogynistic red piller assholes. If he's never even had a date, i wonder if he's actually tried dating. He doesn't have to date. It's not necessary by any means, but I'm just curious if he's one of the guys that is so shy that he's worried about asking anyone out.
He's gone to dates before, set up by Moi, he's shy-ish, like Moi, but he's one of those Supra nerds, not that that's a fault of some kind, in fact, it's his strong suit, sadly, Filipinas go for the traditional type men and Nerdy women aren't really that common, it's so rare in fact that it's genuinely shocking because we're at the age of the Rise of the Nerds, and somehow he's an outlier, I don't get it. He said he's happy with my company but, nah, that's not enough for me. I will win this.
People automatically assume the worst now when someone technically fits the bill. Yeah, the bad kind of incels didn't do anyone any favors, but it should be common fucking sense for any reasonable person that not every virgin in the world is a piece of shit.
In this case, it's more of like he's being picked on by other virgins, and I'm sure his office mates are virgins, because no self respecting woman made of human flesh and not anime pillows, would go out with "men" who wears low hanging Jorts and backwards trucker cap, and say Rizz and Skibidi Toilet while being 30+yo and have 0 personality and the topic is only about work and nothing else, I'd have a better chance of seeing an actual dragon than to see his workmates with actual women.
2.) It's sad now that the word incel is coopted to being a creep and an overall waste of human flesh, instead of simply meaning a person who can't find a date and are working on themselves to improve themselves, these weirdos are ruining it for the other incels, pisses me off, incel used to mean people who can't find a date so they ask others on how to improve themselves so they can finally get out of being incels, but now, it means weird virgin pedo.
I wouldn't use the word incel on the above description. That guy just seems like a good guy who needs to be given a chance and/or find the right person for him. An incel IS an ass hole misogynist by definition.
That's hard amongst millennial Filipinos, believe it or not, Nerds in Millenials here are very very very rare, like winning the lottery, I can really hear the loneliness whenever he and I go out for a drink, because unlike me, a social moron, I can have fun anywhere, but he's a very caring person who wants to be with someone and be happy, like that whale with a different pitch, so I do my best to get him out of his house whenever i'm in the country.
TBF, incel stands for "involuntarily celibate" and it was always meant with bitterness even before it became a description for garbage people. I think about half of incels are just people who have zero social skills, severe physical or mental disabilities, or are severely neurodivergent. The other half may or may not have those conditions, but are also SUPREMELY entitled and bitter and they poison both the image and the minds of other people in the group.
Yeah, but if I remember correctly, it never was that way, at least someone told me that, I think that was 10 years ago, or more, it was myspace and friendster group have this some kind of support group where they flock and ask things like "What's wrong with me?" but now it's "What's wrong with them" god damn.
In a world full of Jock wannabes and overall horrible people manipulated by movies into thinking that if you're good looking in high school you get to be king of the world, and can make fun of the nerds and the nerd culture, who would want to be identified as a celebate? I should know, I was a piece of shit once, bullied a lot of schoolmates, and trust me, you'd rather be invisible than openly say you're an incel, gay, from a divorced family, queer, nerd, alt subculture, etc.
Embrace it ... I'm a queer-gay, gothpunk with mostly technerd hobbies. There's no place for horrible people in my world. People at his job sound like pieces of crap - hope he doesn't have to interact too much with them or find another place where he's appreciated.
Nerd and startrek sounds nice ... while I have little interest in the later, a considerable number of my friends and relationship persons love it.
When my friend came out of the closet, I had to make an easy choice, either I stop being an asshat and keep my first love, first kiss, first heartbreak, first woman to be honest and open with me, and BFF, or I lose all that. The choice was easy even for a 14yo me.
Oddly enough, it was a woman that coined the term, specifically for late bloomers. The misogynists co-opted the term, like how Hitler and his fellow fascists took over the National Socialist German Workers' Party. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455
YO! I honestly did not know this, I am gonna read up on this, the only knowledge of the origin of the word incel for me was on Friendster and Myspace. Thanks for this
I have a friend in his 30s who can't drive and didn't have his first girlfriend until he was 31,which was 4 years ago. His girlfriend was 19 at the time. He is an intelligent person but the combination of cosplay and no car closed a lot of doors for him with girls. It was the younger not yet fully judging girl that accepted him. Today they are still together and happy and both have matured. It's hard to find people who accept who you are. Now she drives him to anime conventions they cosplay at.
As long as they're both adults, why not? It just *usually* feels wrong because most pairs we see like this are an obviously financially motivated setup (the stereotypical 60 year old billionaire fart and his 20 year old Russian mail bride), but this sounds like a happy story.
It doesn't speak very well of the 31 year old, as a general rule, because you should have enough life experience at that point that 19 year olds are pretty uninteresting as partners.
As a *general rule* I can actually see this making sense, as a lot of younger people still live in a "different world", have yet to make some important experiences, may lack responsibility, have different expectations etc.
At the same time, people are still individuals; many younger people can be surprisingly adult, and on the flipside there's way too many manchildren to take age as a universally accurate quantifier. It sounds like in this case both of them were compatible and so it worked out.
sounds like this guy has a pretty narrow life experience. I don't understand it because I was dying to drive and work and be free and responsible at 14, but some people take decades to do normal adult stuff. its weird to me, but we aren't all the same. most guys at 31 going after anyone younger that 25 are creeps. This guy just sounds... slow i guess.
I mean... yeah, kinda, I guess, I'm not innocent of it, although after finding out that the woman who was going after me was 22, I was 31, Drake popped into my head (This was before Kendrick vs Drake) and I just left. Also, she can do better, soooo much better, like leagues better.
People, on here especially, get mad at me when I call myself and incel but point out I don't hate women bc of it. Like I've seen a mirror i know what I look like, good on them for having standards.
It's sad isn't it? But man, when I look at incel topics, they delve on PDFilia and that just makes the other incels look bad, it's the pieces of shit that are the loudest too.
I don't define myself by anything. I tell people I'm blonde but I'm not using it to define anything. It's just a description of one aspect. And I didn't say people found it creepy, I said they get mad at me. They don't get mad at me for BEING an incel, they get mad that I use the moniker. As one reply said "That's not what the word means anymore so don't fucking use it"
If someone brought up how they can't ride a bike, would you go on a tangent that they are using it to define themselves?
But surely you have enough awareness to recognize that the label 'incel' connotes something far beyond the condition, societally associated with the actions and movements of aggressive resentment of women because of the condition. Right?
I get what you're going for in your description as a friend but the general "I'm/he's an actual nice person, not like all those other losers, it's a shame women/men don't understand what they're missing out on" is sort of a bitter, default defense of many singles-both women and men. The thing is too that relationships can be hard and all of them are different and particularly with someone who has never been in one.. you didn't actually know if they'd be nice to be in a relationship with. 1/
Personally speaking, I was a late bloomer- slightly by choice and slightly not. I'm a passive bleeding heart who loves animals and I seek a lot of internal validation by being helpful and giving, but it absolutely does not mean that I'm easy to be in a relationship with or ideal for most people.
1.) I GET YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING, I hope my explanation is coherent at least, see, his officemates are genuine losers, they have no social lives outside of the office, and every topic they have is about work even after work, my friend being a timid guy, who does not want to talk anything about work outside the office understandably doesn't want to be with them outside the office because he gets bored and he's done pretending to be interested, so he gets picked on as the black sheep or anti-social
That said, I do feel for your friend for being teased just for being alone in life. They don't make fun of women the same way they do men for being inexperienced but I did learn pretty early on to lie or avoid the topic because you definitely get belittled over it, regardless of your sex. People love to act like it somehow makes you less of an adult or that you shouldn't be knowledgeable about anatomy or be able to joke and it's a bullshit attitude.
As a cishet dude, I once proved mathematically were the least useful gender/sexuality combo. I was high off a lab leak, but heh, so was the guy who thought up pcr
Probably not as much of an issue anymore but we used to he pretty firmly in the food chain, and still are in a lot of ways. Tho with modern technology and the fact that muscles really couldn't overpower most predators anyway, probably a moot point.
We would likely die out as a species but that might just be a bonus.
Men were used to using weapons, which was and is the how we have protected ourselves from predators for a very long time. ... But while humans were hunter-gatherers, was there really men protecting the women doing the gathering?
Yup, let's also keep in mind that anyone who is pro-gun can't then turn around and make the argument that women need men to protect them from physical harm. Pretty sure a handgun beats Chad any day of the week.
What about those who have not fully transitioned? Would their transition just be completed? Don't just blurt out something. Think about it. Would the trans women, that are still in denial, be considered men? They "find out" because all men go "poof"?
“Don’t just blurt out something. Think about it.” - a dumbass trying to tie every little thing into an argument about trans people and their basic existence. Ugh. Aren’t you bored of yourself? Like, doesn’t it make you tired, just focusing on some stupid bullshit that some conservative think tank came up with to distract you from real life? Do you ever think about that?
I'm not denying their existence. I would think they would want their own exact word. If I were transitioning to something, being called trans might be ok. However, when I'm done, I wouldn't want to be called trans, as that would imply that I'm incomplete. I would want to be called Gowin or something. Then having a specific definition for that word. Making people learn a new word is easier than making people accept a change to an existing one. Gay used to mean happy. People didn't like the change
Of course it matters. If it didn't matter, people wouldn't care. I very rarely interact with a person who believes the earth is flat, but it matters to them. I would think trans women would want a better definition than "trans women". Their value as a person is the same as everyone else. They should have their own defined word, not be defined as something else.
Says the person asking stupid questions it doesn’t matter they would still be women either way. And here’s a kicker for you science has already figured out a way for two women to reproduce and I mean the egg laying kind no semen involved men are completely useless at this point the only ones worth keeping are trans men.
How you define "man".. XY chromosomes? .. that would remove some women as well (Swyer syndrome).. so its not applicaple. People that have testicles and a penis? .. heh.. Had testicles at birth? Anorchia :) Peen at birth? Aphalia :)
Ok. Let's say that's true. What is the difference between a trans woman and a cis woman? You can't say that there is no difference. In the same way you have fried chicken and grilled chicken. Both are chicken, but there is a difference. And then we must define what a woman is. Female human is not an accurate definition.
Let's incorrectly pretend that you have a point here instead of just being a transphobic asshole. Why is "female human" not an accurate definition of woman? That's literally the entire definition of the word.
Female is defined as the sex that can bear offspring. A trans woman doesn't have a womb and can't bear offspring. So a woman that has her womb removed is by definition not a female. She would not be "less" woman, just not a female by the definition of a female
Why must we find a definition? Are tomatoes vegetables? is this person a women? I dunno, I just know I like tomatoes and also this person, is that not enough?
A tomato is a fruit. Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad. And we need to use the same definition if we are discussing a topic. Scientology use the word ethics, but it's not the common definition. That makes it confusing
Bludabeagle
'Scanners'..... That movie blew me away!!
Jonson71
I get this, but also it bugs me a little 'cause it agrees with the false premise. Any incel who says "if women don't submit to men they're destined to be alone" is ignoring the vast supermajority of relationships currently happening around America and the rest of the modern world right now.
thatsbadmmkay
No one wants to be alone. Incels have just become insufferable enough women RATHER be alone
alyssajones123
Exactly. At a certain point, they don't have to be better than other men, they have to be better than living alone.
Lappyrat92
Every incel I met was totally doing it to themselves with their shitty world views. No one wants to be with a bitter sexist asshole. I’m fatter and uglier than a lot of them but even I can occasionally get laid.
tinydog
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
The idea of women being able to stand being without a man scares these people, because that's their last ditch effort. Hoping that desperation will ensure they will be chosen in the end.
CatSingularity
we no longer live in a society were women need a man to provide. its actually a social conundrum contributing to reduced birthrates. Idiocracy is still on track to be real because the states with the highest brith rates are all red states. Take elon for example, he has 14 kids
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
I bet they imagine themselves like that Conan the Barbarian poster, where he's standing on a hill with a sword and 12 pack abs that goes all the way to the neck, and a woman hugging his leg, ready to pounce on him because he saved her from Wokeness.
keyblader1985
Why the fuck would they choose to submit to someone rather than be by themselves??
Groovechild
Scanners. What a trippy flick.
wannasee
4B movement. It's a whooole thing.
Hukkie
Those incels will be alone, the women that will not submit will have no issues finding partners because there are plenty of men out there that want a healthy relationship based on equality and mutual respect.
HighestHopes
Scanners
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Can we submit to logic instead?
4etherling
+1 for your comment, following for your art. If you do a monochromatic of the head exploding and add your comment, that would be an amazing use of the internet... but I digress.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Ty! I hope to add more art soon i kinda hate posting on ig now.
Sheldonian
I have been hoping for that for all of humanity since the moment I was able to understand what humanity is. I'm not hopeful anymore, but it would be so nice
TheRedBaron8
This kills the actor.
DukeSliscus
SCANNERS!
EvangelicalAtheist
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle -- Irina Dunn, often attributed to Gloria Steinem.
heckruler
Sounds like you're... going your own way? Ba dum tish!
ilovetraveler
They also forget that men aren't the only options. Like okay fine I'll find a muscle mommy or a transfemme.
SupposablyPersnickity
This head explosion ability is one of my frequent fantasies when daydreaming about superpowers. The other is Nightcrawler’s ability to teleport (among his other abilities). So much I could fix in today’s world…
landbaronness42
I’d start with Elon and go down a list of billionaires. In order of net worth. Start giving it away today or else …
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Who wouldn't want to bamf
SupposablyPersnickity
I could bamf all day and all night, preferably at night, honestly.
smoldix42069
Mine would be *explode genitals*
jesuisgur
Not if you have to see them first...
smoldix42069
Fine, just *explode*
SupposablyPersnickity
It wouldn’t be too bad, just a peek and a small mushroom cloud.
smoldix42069
Well see that's the thing. What if I need them to explode right away and don't have time to see their genitals? With the exlode spell, I can just make them explode.
AimingForAdorkable
Like that person with superpowers on The Boys, who can spontaneously explode peoples’ heads.
…she doesn’t use it to explode the right people, sadly. :(
(I think we all on Imgur know the list of people who we would use that superpower on….)
JackalopeElope
If I where to pick an XMan teleporter to fantasize about I'd pick Magik. The blue skin, teleporting through hell, and borderline crippling Catholicism are pretty big drawbacks.
Badsequence
See this is why women prefer the bear!
UncleMartha
I also enjoy the bizarre corollary of: "Misandry is why misogyny exists!" Oh, my naïve, delusional brother in Crust, I think you'll find that your feelings of entitlement to access to women sexually is the belief upon which all your other crazy beliefs are predicated.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Are they still spouting this nonsense? Women are walking away and "men" are doubling down on the stupid.
Turbogoat
What Incels are really saying is that if women don't conform to the Incel fantasy of a woman, then Incels are destined to be alone.
Becker37
After the experiences I've had with every male I've come across I want nothing more than to die alone. Would a good partner be awesome? Yes. Am I going to take the chance of going through that hell again? Probably not. ONLY reason I still think about it is because being a single mom is terrifying. I make so little and their dad is just looking for a reason to take them away from me.
cousteau
If women don't submit to men, they are destined to be alone. Because the only way they wouldn't be alone would be by making women submit to them. …Wait, what did they mean exactly?
Shaodyn
That's like all those men who get mad that women would rather be alone in the woods with a random bear, thus proving why most women choose the bear.
suiseiseki
A video gif of a screenshot's gif. What a time to be alive.
sleeperkid
I wanted flying cars, but this will do.
MapleSyrupMafia
Have you seen how people drive?
AnOceanOfStars
Incel is a neuter term. You're referring to redpilled idiots and other misogynous subgroups.
Using incel as an insult is like using soldier as insult, while there are russian soldiers and ukrainian soldiers, which are quite different subgroups of soldiers, at the moment.
But I understand people don't hear about non-misogynous because they don't go screeching online like those other subhumans.
4etherling
The movie is scanners by David Cronenberg. The effect was created using a plaster skull, ballistic gel as muscle, and latex as skin. They filled the head with left over ballistic gel, ground beef, pasta, and anything that was lying around that would create an organic effect. Corn syrup, flour and food dye comprised the blood. The explosion was achieved by shooting the head using a shotgun loaded with kosher salt, which is a very fine salt, to hide it's presence. One of the best practical effects
VorpalSoupspoon
I love this movie. I think it'd make for a great remake in the right hands, though, like Brandon Cronenberg.
alittleglassvial
Thank you for the neat makeup science ^^
bippityboppitybuttsex
Kosher salt is not very fine... it is chunky.
Filanwizard
I suspect they mean compared to rock salt, which is a common less than lethal load option for a shotgun shell.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Ah, gotcha...
stseregh
Holy shit, Cronenberg directed Scanners? Makes total sense though
L0rdinquisit0r
so, Boom headshot
Zuegma197777
Good ol kill n spray effects of the 80's.
SpaceEagle63
I saw this in the theater the weekend it opened. Damn I am old.
1stPortista
Actually, kosher salt is coarse, not “very fine “.
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Stephen Lack is my oldest friends (we've been friends for 40 years) dad.
janeQdoe
Yes! Thank you for this tidbit. I love learning about stuff like that!
Filanwizard
"Oh, and Fear Factor, I watched maybe a half hour
After that, felt like I needed a long shower
Network execs with naked ambitions
Next week on FOX, watch lions eat Christians
Like to tie up those programming planners
Make them watch all that junk 'til their heads explode just like Scanners" -Weird Al, Couch Potato.
GrandmasterSpank
Hmmm they did not use a stunt double ?
WhoHim
Only for the first take
InfocalypseRising
"Thanks for your sacrifice Gary. ROLLING!"
*BOOM*
"Ah, shit, the boom mic was off center. SET IT UP AGAIN! Alright, Randall, you're up."
DanOrtega
From the way the face folds forward, and the lenses pops out also forward, I guess the shot was from the back?
Lycanthian
It was. Iirc it was supposed to be remotely detonated internally but they couldn't get it to work correctly so they resorted to using a shotgun
DanOrtega
lol, yeah, that sounds like practical fx. "It's not working" "Blow that shit up"
IrateWolfe
Behind and below, dude was on his back under the chair
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
1.) On the topic of incels, what's sad is I actually know an Incel, a good Incel, not one of the deplorable degenerates of society, he's a nerd, he's into star trek, He introduced me to it, he's an all around good boy, but women find him uninteresting, try as I might it's not going through, and when that got found out by his office mates, that he's never had a date before, they immediately ridiculed him as the weird incel virgin, and it boils my blood that I wanna pummel them to the ground.
CityYeti
A friend of mine isn't good with women. He's been with a few, but they can't see past his imperfections to see the truly good dude he is. He ended up with a narcissist that took advantage of his good nature, popped out 2 kids, and now he's working on full custody. He's said he's done with relationships, but I do know a girl that is into him.
moxiefoxxy
He can’t learn how to be kind to women? That’s what women are attracted to. When someone says thatthey can’t get a girlfriend because they are too nice, they aren’t nice at all
CityYeti
He is kind to women. He's very kind. Literally not a mean bone in that dude's body. It's just the women he attracts usually aren't very kind to him.
moxiefoxxy
That makes me sad. There are lots of us out here that get joy from being kind and loving to a man.
CityYeti
His biggest "problem" is that he is a tad on the spectrum, but I still call the man my brother and know he deserves better. But I also think we shouldn't be telling guys they don't need someone to make them happy. But this guy could make someone really happy if given the chance.
moxiefoxxy
Lots of women are into Star Trek. I would encourage him to find someone online with shared interests, don’t give up on love.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Sadly, we're Filipino, Nerdy women are rare here, even amongst millenials it's rare, even in Gen Alpha, which is kinda surprising because we're living in an age of the rise of nerds, I just became one after getting introduced to Lower Decks.
ilovetraveler
While it might not be the officially accepted definition, I wouldn't call somebody like that an incel. I only refer to men as incels if they're alone because they're misogynistic red piller assholes. If he's never even had a date, i wonder if he's actually tried dating. He doesn't have to date. It's not necessary by any means, but I'm just curious if he's one of the guys that is so shy that he's worried about asking anyone out.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
He's gone to dates before, set up by Moi, he's shy-ish, like Moi, but he's one of those Supra nerds, not that that's a fault of some kind, in fact, it's his strong suit, sadly, Filipinas go for the traditional type men and Nerdy women aren't really that common, it's so rare in fact that it's genuinely shocking because we're at the age of the Rise of the Nerds, and somehow he's an outlier, I don't get it. He said he's happy with my company but, nah, that's not enough for me. I will win this.
keyblader1985
People automatically assume the worst now when someone technically fits the bill. Yeah, the bad kind of incels didn't do anyone any favors, but it should be common fucking sense for any reasonable person that not every virgin in the world is a piece of shit.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
In this case, it's more of like he's being picked on by other virgins, and I'm sure his office mates are virgins, because no self respecting woman made of human flesh and not anime pillows, would go out with "men" who wears low hanging Jorts and backwards trucker cap, and say Rizz and Skibidi Toilet while being 30+yo and have 0 personality and the topic is only about work and nothing else, I'd have a better chance of seeing an actual dragon than to see his workmates with actual women.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
2.) It's sad now that the word incel is coopted to being a creep and an overall waste of human flesh, instead of simply meaning a person who can't find a date and are working on themselves to improve themselves, these weirdos are ruining it for the other incels, pisses me off, incel used to mean people who can't find a date so they ask others on how to improve themselves so they can finally get out of being incels, but now, it means weird virgin pedo.
ArcaneM37
I wouldn't use the word incel on the above description. That guy just seems like a good guy who needs to be given a chance and/or find the right person for him. An incel IS an ass hole misogynist by definition.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
That's hard amongst millennial Filipinos, believe it or not, Nerds in Millenials here are very very very rare, like winning the lottery, I can really hear the loneliness whenever he and I go out for a drink, because unlike me, a social moron, I can have fun anywhere, but he's a very caring person who wants to be with someone and be happy, like that whale with a different pitch, so I do my best to get him out of his house whenever i'm in the country.
stickywiggit
TBF, incel stands for "involuntarily celibate" and it was always meant with bitterness even before it became a description for garbage people. I think about half of incels are just people who have zero social skills, severe physical or mental disabilities, or are severely neurodivergent. The other half may or may not have those conditions, but are also SUPREMELY entitled and bitter and they poison both the image and the minds of other people in the group.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Yeah, but if I remember correctly, it never was that way, at least someone told me that, I think that was 10 years ago, or more, it was myspace and friendster group have this some kind of support group where they flock and ask things like "What's wrong with me?" but now it's "What's wrong with them" god damn.
Awmph
tbf, it may have been creeps who coined the word to describe themselves
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
In a world full of Jock wannabes and overall horrible people manipulated by movies into thinking that if you're good looking in high school you get to be king of the world, and can make fun of the nerds and the nerd culture, who would want to be identified as a celebate? I should know, I was a piece of shit once, bullied a lot of schoolmates, and trust me, you'd rather be invisible than openly say you're an incel, gay, from a divorced family, queer, nerd, alt subculture, etc.
Awmph
the folks who coined the term incel apparently
mos6502c
Embrace it ... I'm a queer-gay, gothpunk with mostly technerd hobbies. There's no place for horrible people in my world. People at his job sound like pieces of crap - hope he doesn't have to interact too much with them or find another place where he's appreciated.
Nerd and startrek sounds nice ... while I have little interest in the later, a considerable number of my friends and relationship persons love it.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
When my friend came out of the closet, I had to make an easy choice, either I stop being an asshat and keep my first love, first kiss, first heartbreak, first woman to be honest and open with me, and BFF, or I lose all that. The choice was easy even for a 14yo me.
marsilies
Oddly enough, it was a woman that coined the term, specifically for late bloomers. The misogynists co-opted the term, like how Hitler and his fellow fascists took over the National Socialist German Workers' Party. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45284455
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
YO! I honestly did not know this, I am gonna read up on this, the only knowledge of the origin of the word incel for me was on Friendster and Myspace. Thanks for this
marsilies
They've created a site called Love not Anger for those looking for love: https://www.lovenotanger.org/
4etherling
I have a friend in his 30s who can't drive and didn't have his first girlfriend until he was 31,which was 4 years ago. His girlfriend was 19 at the time. He is an intelligent person but the combination of cosplay and no car closed a lot of doors for him with girls. It was the younger not yet fully judging girl that accepted him. Today they are still together and happy and both have matured. It's hard to find people who accept who you are. Now she drives him to anime conventions they cosplay at.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
uhhhhh, 31 and 19?
aelirya
Yeah that's weird lol too bad there's no 30 yr women who like anime and conventions /s
Some guys just need to find a teenager they can control
Battle4ngel
As long as they're both adults, why not? It just *usually* feels wrong because most pairs we see like this are an obviously financially motivated setup (the stereotypical 60 year old billionaire fart and his 20 year old Russian mail bride), but this sounds like a happy story.
NickRivieraMD
It doesn't speak very well of the 31 year old, as a general rule, because you should have enough life experience at that point that 19 year olds are pretty uninteresting as partners.
Battle4ngel
As a *general rule* I can actually see this making sense, as a lot of younger people still live in a "different world", have yet to make some important experiences, may lack responsibility, have different expectations etc.
At the same time, people are still individuals; many younger people can be surprisingly adult, and on the flipside there's way too many manchildren to take age as a universally accurate quantifier. It sounds like in this case both of them were compatible and so it worked out.
HowlingRollercoaster2
sounds like this guy has a pretty narrow life experience. I don't understand it because I was dying to drive and work and be free and responsible at 14, but some people take decades to do normal adult stuff. its weird to me, but we aren't all the same. most guys at 31 going after anyone younger that 25 are creeps. This guy just sounds... slow i guess.
Thornaxe
The world is full of people who are on the bottom couple percentiles. If it works for them, great.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
I mean... yeah, kinda, I guess, I'm not innocent of it, although after finding out that the woman who was going after me was 22, I was 31, Drake popped into my head (This was before Kendrick vs Drake) and I just left. Also, she can do better, soooo much better, like leagues better.
draginator
If he treats her nicely and makes her happy who cares that better exists?
moxiefoxxy
There is just a HUGE mental age gap between 22 and 31
DeadeicPrints
People, on here especially, get mad at me when I call myself and incel but point out I don't hate women bc of it. Like I've seen a mirror i know what I look like, good on them for having standards.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
It's sad isn't it? But man, when I look at incel topics, they delve on PDFilia and that just makes the other incels look bad, it's the pieces of shit that are the loudest too.
moxiefoxxy
There are ugly women too
aelirya
It's weird that you define yourself by your lack of ability to have sex. That's what creeps people out when you say you're an incel.
It's like if someone defines themselves by whether or not they can ride a bike. Most people can, some can't. Why does it matter that much to you?
drhobotron
Yeah, self-labeling with a term that has atrocious connotations is ... a choice.
DeadeicPrints
I don't define myself by anything. I tell people I'm blonde but I'm not using it to define anything. It's just a description of one aspect. And I didn't say people found it creepy, I said they get mad at me. They don't get mad at me for BEING an incel, they get mad that I use the moniker. As one reply said
"That's not what the word means anymore so don't fucking use it"
If someone brought up how they can't ride a bike, would you go on a tangent that they are using it to define themselves?
drhobotron
But surely you have enough awareness to recognize that the label 'incel' connotes something far beyond the condition, societally associated with the actions and movements of aggressive resentment of women because of the condition. Right?
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doomscrollerextroadinaire
Can you explain what the incel mentality is?
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
It's a misunderstanding because she thought I was a toxic angry little shit. I'm explaining to her that I am angry, but I'm not an angry little shit.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
I guess caring for a friend does that? I'm sorry, which part, please explain?
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Also I didn't downvote you, I'm genuinely asking as I want to know if I said something wrong. Please explain.
acatinbirdsclothing
I get what you're going for in your description as a friend but the general "I'm/he's an actual nice person, not like all those other losers, it's a shame women/men don't understand what they're missing out on" is sort of a bitter, default defense of many singles-both women and men. The thing is too that relationships can be hard and all of them are different and particularly with someone who has never been in one.. you didn't actually know if they'd be nice to be in a relationship with. 1/
acatinbirdsclothing
Personally speaking, I was a late bloomer- slightly by choice and slightly not. I'm a passive bleeding heart who loves animals and I seek a lot of internal validation by being helpful and giving, but it absolutely does not mean that I'm easy to be in a relationship with or ideal for most people.
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
1.) I GET YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING, I hope my explanation is coherent at least, see, his officemates are genuine losers, they have no social lives outside of the office, and every topic they have is about work even after work, my friend being a timid guy, who does not want to talk anything about work outside the office understandably doesn't want to be with them outside the office because he gets bored and he's done pretending to be interested, so he gets picked on as the black sheep or anti-social
IUpvoteEveryNicholasCageGIF
Know what, you weren't the one who called me an incel energy, I wonder what they would think if they knew.
acatinbirdsclothing
That said, I do feel for your friend for being teased just for being alone in life. They don't make fun of women the same way they do men for being inexperienced but I did learn pretty early on to lie or avoid the topic because you definitely get belittled over it, regardless of your sex. People love to act like it somehow makes you less of an adult or that you shouldn't be knowledgeable about anatomy or be able to joke and it's a bullshit attitude.
McFrazzlestache
Also in this same vein, "If men weren't around, who would protect you?" "Protect us from what?" *head explodes*
ilovetraveler
It's also been shown that women are more likely to help women in need, not men.
Tengenstein
As a cishet dude, I once proved mathematically were the least useful gender/sexuality combo. I was high off a lab leak, but heh, so was the guy who thought up pcr
FoxyEllie
Obviously this means it'd be a meta play to change teams, then
Tengenstein
Can't deny that logic. Though I do enjoy the challenge of making off-meta work.
MechKelly
Velociraptors, duh.
AThreeFootTallChocolateMooseWithFudgeEyes
Nah, they're friendly https://youtu.be/YsCVdVNtJXs
BaWitda
Bears, of course. What do you mean I'm misunderstanding the metaphor?
AnonOmis1000
Hey no woman needs protection from me
FoxyEllie
Bear, Woman, Man. You gotta be one, and then choose another to protect you from the third.
Sonicschilidogs
Choose being a bear, choose man to protect me from Woman.
Subtilico
Ofc a bear would choose the man.
FoxyEllie
we've got a classic case of rock paper scissors now. Man chooses woman, woman chooses bear, bear chooses man.
DeadeicPrints
Probably not as much of an issue anymore but we used to he pretty firmly in the food chain, and still are in a lot of ways. Tho with modern technology and the fact that muscles really couldn't overpower most predators anyway, probably a moot point.
We would likely die out as a species but that might just be a bonus.
Arkkeri
Men were used to using weapons, which was and is the how we have protected ourselves from predators for a very long time. ... But while humans were hunter-gatherers, was there really men protecting the women doing the gathering?
Syovere
Also, recent research has found that the commonly-conceptualized gender divide in hunting and gathering was not actually the case. Women hunted, women warred. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0287101
aloharamada
Yup, let's also keep in mind that anyone who is pro-gun can't then turn around and make the argument that women need men to protect them from physical harm. Pretty sure a handgun beats Chad any day of the week.
atomicleela
We need men to protect us from… checks notes…. Men
godofhorizons
Thank you Ted, that was the joke
BenYourFriend
That sounds.. oddly similar to christianity…
Subtilico
Fhant
Hello? Oof delivery? I'd like to dump the biggest OOF you have right here...
TheSwedishMoose
Fhant
Thanks!
TheSwedishMoose
Happy to oof
amundost
From women... obviously. The better question would be:"if all men went poof. Would there be any trans women?"
Theshnazzyone
You obviously do not support america's constitution or veterans.
amundost
What? Was this for me? I'm not from the US and I don't live in the US. Why would I?
Theshnazzyone
Oh, thought only uneducated maga losers were obsessed with trans people.
amundost
It's a good thing I'm not obsessed with trans people then...
ilovetraveler
I'm really not sure what your intention was in writing this.
RevolutionOnHerLips
bad take bigot
annonymouse211
Yes. Yes there would.
amundost
What about those who have not fully transitioned? Would their transition just be completed? Don't just blurt out something. Think about it. Would the trans women, that are still in denial, be considered men? They "find out" because all men go "poof"?
GodAintReal
“Don’t just blurt out something. Think about it.” - a dumbass trying to tie every little thing into an argument about trans people and their basic existence. Ugh. Aren’t you bored of yourself? Like, doesn’t it make you tired, just focusing on some stupid bullshit that some conservative think tank came up with to distract you from real life? Do you ever think about that?
amundost
I'm not denying their existence. I would think they would want their own exact word. If I were transitioning to something, being called trans might be ok. However, when I'm done, I wouldn't want to be called trans, as that would imply that I'm incomplete. I would want to be called Gowin or something. Then having a specific definition for that word. Making people learn a new word is easier than making people accept a change to an existing one. Gay used to mean happy. People didn't like the change
moxiefoxxy
It doesn’t matter, their brain is the brain of a woman. You are your brain. Get it?
amundost
Of course it matters. If it didn't matter, people wouldn't care. I very rarely interact with a person who believes the earth is flat, but it matters to them. I would think trans women would want a better definition than "trans women". Their value as a person is the same as everyone else. They should have their own defined word, not be defined as something else.
slightlybrokenegg
Says the person asking stupid questions it doesn’t matter they would still be women either way. And here’s a kicker for you science has already figured out a way for two women to reproduce and I mean the egg laying kind no semen involved men are completely useless at this point the only ones worth keeping are trans men.
Arkkeri
How you define "man".. XY chromosomes? .. that would remove some women as well (Swyer syndrome).. so its not applicaple.
People that have testicles and a penis? .. heh..
Had testicles at birth? Anorchia :)
Peen at birth? Aphalia :)
nanamonster
You could go deeper.
Does it include the persons mindset and how they see themselves?
Is it the way they dress and act?
These are the types of questions one needs to consider when making a wish with a Djinn.
amundost
I would define man as adult male human. I have no issues with the existing definitions
untidyhayloft
Yeah, but how would you define male? Just kinda passing the buck with shifting the definition.
amundost
That is already a defined word.
Arkkeri
So why did you even ask that question? And why did you think it's the better question?
amundost
Who would ask the dumb questions if you don't have men around!
MaybeIllDisappear
Trans women are women.
amundost
Ok. Let's say that's true. What is the difference between a trans woman and a cis woman? You can't say that there is no difference. In the same way you have fried chicken and grilled chicken. Both are chicken, but there is a difference. And then we must define what a woman is. Female human is not an accurate definition.
rshini
Go swim in pig shit.
ImGonnaMissThisPlace
You phased the question wrong. Trans women are not men. These are genders and is irrelevant to ones biology.
Altzeren0r
Let's incorrectly pretend that you have a point here instead of just being a transphobic asshole. Why is "female human" not an accurate definition of woman? That's literally the entire definition of the word.
amundost
Female is defined as the sex that can bear offspring. A trans woman doesn't have a womb and can't bear offspring. So a woman that has her womb removed is by definition not a female. She would not be "less" woman, just not a female by the definition of a female
MaybeIllDisappear
You know what the difference is, this is a bad faith argument. Just treat trans women as you would any other woman, end of story.
Togame21
Why must we find a definition? Are tomatoes vegetables? is this person a women? I dunno, I just know I like tomatoes and also this person, is that not enough?
amundost
A tomato is a fruit. Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad. And we need to use the same definition if we are discussing a topic. Scientology use the word ethics, but it's not the common definition. That makes it confusing