I do not believe in God, but the existence of Musk doesn't disprove him.
If a god existed and if free will was a gods priority, then inevitably, you would have both good and evil people and all over the spectrum without God intervention.
There is even a logic for a "loving god" who is willing to let people make mistake and experience misfortune because they don't want to control everyone's decisions.
But an indifferent god is perfectly plausible as well.
and God looked upon the imperfect soul and said... dude you need to bake for a while so Ima gonna put you back into the simulation so you can learn to punch a Nazi when you see them. Hopefully you do better this time or we will have to run you through the WWII sim. DAMNIT SATAN - stop uploading your ^#(#^)@## kardashian virus !!!!!
For literally centuries the majority of humanity has not found this argument compelling. The entire field of theodicy exists. I mean, I don't disagree with you, I'm just noting that this isn't a new or persuasive argument.
Because the argument is weak. An indifferent god or a god who does not prioritize ensuring his subjects only ever experience good fits just fine in this scenario.
There is also the argument that without any bad experiences, you could not understand the good or rather the window for "bad" would simply shift to evil being "preventing you from being euphoric"
Sure. Personally, I wouldn't try to summarize the whole study of theodicy in an imgur comment for similar reasons to why I wouldn't try to summarize all of literary criticism in an imgur comment. My point was we should think about these topics as requiring real study and effort before declaring that we've solved them.
What's fascinating about this topic is it's one of the ones where people who don't care about it always show up in conversations about it to tell everyone they don't care about it. You don't see this phenomenon in conversations about, like, wood glue or sneaker colors or whatever.
Shmoaker
..same way you explain the Holocaust
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mrthewhitee
I do not believe in God, but the existence of Musk doesn't disprove him.
If a god existed and if free will was a gods priority, then inevitably, you would have both good and evil people and all over the spectrum without God intervention.
There is even a logic for a "loving god" who is willing to let people make mistake and experience misfortune because they don't want to control everyone's decisions.
But an indifferent god is perfectly plausible as well.
lapus
By understanding there is no "god".
ChainChompsky
What if he's just a dick?
StevenAlleyn
Hypothetically such a world would make sense if there was a cruel god, too
HeHeHebieJeebies
and God looked upon the imperfect soul and said... dude you need to bake for a while so Ima gonna put you back into the simulation so you can learn to punch a Nazi when you see them. Hopefully you do better this time or we will have to run you through the WWII sim. DAMNIT SATAN - stop uploading your ^#(#^)@## kardashian virus !!!!!
foreverinchains
I just can't understand how anyone could read the bible and come away from it with the idea that God is the good guy in that story.
dirtmarker
150 billion galaxies in this universe and we're lucky enough to be here. I'm fairly confident this is hell.
FckleberryFarms
Trump is a walking poster child for no Karma exists.
RabbitRevenge
I mean free will? I’m not religious but that about answers your question!?
fractalsphere
Smart people figured out there were no 'gods' over 2300 years ago.
foreverinchains
Maybe there's a god that created the cosmos, maybe there isn't.
It is immediately apparent that any god that does exist is completely indifferent to our suffering.
Krossis
Or worse, takes pleasure in it
Sebastopol140
Or a fucking asshole
hairlessOrphan
For literally centuries the majority of humanity has not found this argument compelling. The entire field of theodicy exists. I mean, I don't disagree with you, I'm just noting that this isn't a new or persuasive argument.
mrthewhitee
Because the argument is weak. An indifferent god or a god who does not prioritize ensuring his subjects only ever experience good fits just fine in this scenario.
There is also the argument that without any bad experiences, you could not understand the good or rather the window for "bad" would simply shift to evil being "preventing you from being euphoric"
hairlessOrphan
Sure. Personally, I wouldn't try to summarize the whole study of theodicy in an imgur comment for similar reasons to why I wouldn't try to summarize all of literary criticism in an imgur comment. My point was we should think about these topics as requiring real study and effort before declaring that we've solved them.
Fanner50
It is simple for me.
I have no need for a deity.
I have no issue saying “I don’t know”, when others might invoke a deity.
hairlessOrphan
What's fascinating about this topic is it's one of the ones where people who don't care about it always show up in conversations about it to tell everyone they don't care about it. You don't see this phenomenon in conversations about, like, wood glue or sneaker colors or whatever.
Fanner50
I remember the huge deal made about the best selling book “when bad things happen to good people”.
Atheists were like “they needed a book to explain that”?
Maybe a postcard, or a pamphlet, but a whole book?