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todayok
Me Too could have been great but without a tough stand (or any stand) on false accusations it predictably fizzled and lost credibility until it was gone.
streetcatz
I cant make generalizations about men or women or people... i dont think i can even imagine your stories or feelings... But thank you for sharing and making want to be a better person
Luskog
One day the people who commit these abuse will be too weak and tired to take care of themselves. When that happens, let's hope that they experience fear. Not of necessarily being abused as revenge, no, the fear that at any moment, the people they abused would be the ones in charge and that they could (and would have all the rights to do so), hand them the fruits of what they sowed. I hope we are all better people than that, but hopefully the fear will keep them awake at night. Beware
graehall
To hand out to men who are being the problem
n0n53n53
The guys that try to convince women that bears are more dangerous are the same guys that they're afraid of meeting in the woods
tallyhoho
Yes that is a venn diagram that works in this situation
Wrongclusterbdisorderbutgooff
I told my experience. It happened pretty much in front of my parents. Everyone on my Facebook at the time supported me. My mom was silent. My dad was silent. Hurt more than the actual sexual assault.
Wrongclusterbdisorderbutgooff
I was about 16 years old. I went camping with my family. My dad made friends with the site next to ours. They had an adult male guest visiting. My parents and their new friends got shit faced. The guest at one point snuck up behind me at the picnic table while I got snacks. He groped my butt, didn't expect me to grab his hand and spin around. But I saw his shock turn into rage at my rejection. Later in the evening he sat next to me by the fire>
Wrongclusterbdisorderbutgooff
He started whispering in my ear everything he wanted to do. Now I had to fawn. Because I knew he would use force otherwise. And my twisted conservative upbringing told me it was somehow my fault this was happening. My mom caught on to something going on. Her response? Flirt with him to distract him. When he started freaking out at her I slipped away to my tent. The other campers got him out of there, but while they were trying to address the situation>
Wrongclusterbdisorderbutgooff
My mom came to my tent to make sure he didn't slip away and try to attack me in the commotion. It hurts because she definitely knew what was going on. But when I told it out loud for the first time during metoo she wouldn't acknowledge it. Because that would mean turning away from her politics and the patriarchy. My dad, who boasts about being a protective parent, never said or did anything. I don't even think my mom told him what happened.
Dxoh
I am sorry this happened to you. I am sorry that your family is so entrenched in their narrative that they could not believe you. I hope that you are in a place where you can heal.
Wrongclusterbdisorderbutgooff
Thank you. I've been low to no contact with them since 2019. It's taken time but I'm in a safer better place. I've had people accuse me of being cruel to my parents, like I'm punishing them. No. They made it clear through this and other actions that my presence isn't respected. Sucks, but, I need to be safe. And with them I'm not
daringdirk
As a man, I LOVED the Me Too movement. I was going through therapy and it gave me the courage to share my childhood molestation and the time I was rated by a man at age 17 with no attached stigma, a very significant step in my journey towards recovery and sobriety. Bear every time.
Dxoh
Yes, the Me too movement was great for marginalized men, too. There were a good number of men that came forward with their own stories of having been abused. I am very happy that you were able to further your journey to health and happiness.
cuttlesquirt
I'm so glad for you. So many of us drown our traumas away until it wrecks us. Be you, be safe, you are deserving of love.
netutoring
Yep, toxic masculinity doesn't harm just women. I'm a straight dude that loves football. You'd think I wouldn't feel any pressure. But I also love small animals, the color purple, I read, I draw. I scored highest in anything to do with language. I cry with songs and movies. But growing up, I learned to suppress most of that. My former stepdad was an ex-Marine and drilled lots of hyper-macho shit into me. It's taken a long time to learn to express my old self.
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
Woohoo! A guy who gets it! Men are also harmed by the patriarchy/toxic masculinity! You are indeed correct, purple is the best color and animals are adorable. Even bears. But seriously, well done on overcoming your upbringing and allowing yourself to express yourself. This toxic notion that men dont have emotions and are weak for showing them is a hard thing to break, but its utter rubbish. A penis doesnt preclude you from feeling sadness or showing joy.
BlindGardener
I mean, purple is such an awesome color that Carthage and Rome were both funded by selling purple to the world
patnine
Several years ago a young imgurian said he was tired of being told "men were toxic." He honestly did not know what toxic masculinity meant. I'm glad you folks know. When discussing it, make sure confused people understand that men as a whole are not toxic by nature - the phrase is about the social stereotype and the harm it causes. Best wishes to all.
nachosyndicate
Your response to horrendous behavior is then equal to the offense. Its rage inducing.
spiritplumber
I thought "bear" meant "big hairy gay guy" in this context. Like, I'd feel safer around a huge gay guy than a regular sized straight guy.
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Dxoh
I wonder if a lot of homophobes hate gay men because they fear that gay men will treat them like they treat women.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Yes
MajorasFlipFlops
Why is she I two different branches?
thedudeman519
A lot of hit dogs hollering in these comments. Be better, dudes.
NVGoddesscottage
Put her back in her wheelchair WTF?
ballsoutflyer
the... what?
amphibiousone
I love the message and not trying to undermine it, but genuine question: breastfeeding a toddler isn't good right? I always understood that breastfeeding stops before the child is 2 (when they're eating solid foods). Is it not considered inappropriate and am I misinformed? Are there benefits (or perhaps things that make it a woman's choice) to continue breastfeeding to 3?
patnine
In other cultures, the rules about breastfeeding and the family bed (sharing a bed with parents as a group, not sexual) are different. Breastfeeding became frowned upon in wealthy white culture when "scientists" circa 1920 invented nutritionally almost-adequate baby formula (now nutritionally equal, disputing immunities but that's a different chat.) It was considered ignorant and uneducated to breastfeed when "science" was providing the ideal food - which was untrue. On the way to 1/2
patnine
reclaiming breastfeeding for white children in the 1960s, a lot of hippy stuff was happening in our culture. There was no knowledge or social support for women who wanted to breastfeed. Today we have breastfeeding coaches - it's not instinctive knowledge!
I am cis-female and nursed my son until he was a year old when we weaned because of a health condition that required medication that could be passed through milk.
One of the reasons for continuing to breastfeed is that in some women it 2/
patnine
postponed fertility so you wouldn't get pregnant again. (Unlucky me, I got my period at six weeks postpartum so no help there.) Two years is probably the max age that is socially acceptable/tolerated. There are people whose philosophy is to continue to allow children to nurse, even tandem nursing alongside younger infants. Even up to age five or older. Most people wouldn't, and idk how common it is anymore. 3/
patnine
(Babies should start taking solid food by a year, many start earlier.) Breastfeeding is like pregnancy in which it should theoretically be nobody's business, but American obsession with breasts (and other people's business) means the line gets crossed. A lot.
I would make further remarks but would cross into downvote territory. Bottom line, giving someone àdvice on when to wean their child will never be helpful nor welcome. 4/4
Tardis1217
Should out to toxic boomer males like my uncle who chose to comment constantly on how funny it was if you said "pound me too" instead of "hashtag me too" cuz "tHaT sYmBoL mEaNs POUND oN tHe TELEMAPHONE!!"
cousteau
It's a hash. That's why they're called hash tags, because they're tags preceded by a hash. (And please stop calling the lone # a "hashtag"!)
slinkiisu
This is a pound sign £, this is a hash #.
Tardis1217
I always liked to remind him that it was called an octothorpe before it was the telephone "pound sign".
ballsoutflyer
Someone in logistics decided to use that symbol to denote pounds. Now, it just sounds odd when you hear "This package weighs 64 octothorpes"
slinkiisu
I'm gonna take you to octothorpe town
Luskog
Honestly, this world seems to have a seriously difficult time living peacefully and in harmony. People are nightmares about some things, some people that try to fight those nightmare do it very poorly and make it worse. And in all that, the victims and the cause still exist. Imgur in one of the only social media where it feels like most people here are good people with a sense of ethics, cohesion, compassion. Glad this community rarely disappoints
DJOldguy
And keep sharing them.... Assholes are gonna realize one day they are assholes and maybe, just maybe, their kids will be better men than they ever were..
Gerdalearnedme
That’s why accidents speak louder than words.
Tall0389
And,for the same reason,as a man I choose a dog instead of a woman!
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
My favorite response was "I just don't know what I can and can't do so I guess I'll just stop talking to women! I don't want to be accused of bad behavior because I can't figure out what is acceptable now."
The truth is, they always knew where the line was. They just chose to ignore it for their own pleasure.
butIlikeitbecauseitisbitterandbecauseitismyheart
If that man/men claims he doesn’t know where the line is, then I accept his compromise. Please, do stop talking to women. We won’t miss him.
What a relief it would be to women to have those, who don’t know if they are offensive or not, just shut the fuck up!
thedudeman519
MGTOWS don't ever really go their own way though do they? They just kind of stand at the door like "Im really going now. PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!"
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Amen! Let the trash take itself out.
varesya
As a guy, I honestly don't get how it's somehow that hard to just, y'know, maybe, treat women as fellow human beings, and recognize that if you aren't sure whether something is acceptable, maybe, uh... ASK THEM? Or even just fucking pay attention to them and the way they're responding, because if you move in to kiss someone it should be pretty fucking obvious whether they're responding positively to you stepping in close, or they're pulling away, reluctant, etc.
butIlikeitbecauseitisbitterandbecauseitismyheart
Thank you. And we really do appreciate all the guys like you! I have very wonderful guy friends that would agree with you.
It is confusing to me that many other men (not most) seem to be baffled at common courtesy and manners.
If I’m unsure how a person I don’t know well will react, I just refrain from commenting…Or, as you suggested, ask them about their comfort level.
varesya
Yeah, exactly. Like, if it's something you're not comfortable asking someone about, then why on earth would it be okay to do it without asking? And I don't know, it's certainly a lot of men. The only thing I can think is that societal expectations of male/masculine behavior push this kind of thing, along with a whole host of other toxic bullshit.
Hyzenthlay021
Exactly what line are you referring to? Forcible rape? If that's the line, then it's pretty well defined, but a man willing to cross that line isn't going to be concerned about what else constitutes "acceptable" behavior. Most men, are not rapists. We aren't going to cross that particular line. The rest of the dynamic can be a bit more blurry. It can appear to be a minefield, and one that is often simply not worth crossing. Jatropha fruit will kill you. Doesn't mean all fruit is bad.
Hyzenthlay021
Note; this was the sixth response I composed to your comment. Took me about 1.5 hrs. (I'm kinda immobile at the moment). Whatever you think of it, I wanted you to know that I considered your words carefully.
Dxoh
The problem is, even that supposedly solid line of "Don't rape" isn't so clear in everyone's head. A non-zero number of people are willing to rape as long as you don't call it rape. And your last point is kinda bad. Jatropha fruit will kill you, so I'm going to avoid all fruit that looks like Jatropha fruit, right?
Hyzenthlay021
Last sentence could have used a polish. Some people are willing to commit rape if you don't call it rape? I'm sorry, I'm not grasping what you are saying here. I'll go out on a limb and expand anyway. What is rape? I had to look up the actual definition. Turns out it covers a pretty broad spectrum of activity, and I can see a lot of pitfalls. Invalid consent, intoxication, or deception (among others). If I tell you I'm rich, and you sleep w/me, that's deception, rape? If we're both at a bar
Hyzenthlay021
and had too much to drink and we mutually decide to have sex, is it rape? And if so, who is the victim/perp? Always the man? Why? I guess if it were simple, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Certainly some cases are more clear cut than others, but there's a huge grey area, that largely depends on perception. I always liked "The Quiet Man 1952",b/c courting was such a carefully defined ritual, everyone knew the dance steps. Harder today, Out of characters again. Willing to continue if you like
Dxoh
One of the biggest violations that people commit has to do with revoking consent. All involved parties have the right to revoke their consent at any time during the act, further performance after said revocation is rape. Deception has nothing to do with lying about jobs or finances or anything. It's more, if you had a twin brother, and you tricked his wife into sleeping with you by pretending to be him. Or if you've seen Revenge of the Nerds, one of the needs tricks a girl into sleeping with him
thedudeman519
If you're at a bar drinking with a gal and you both decided to go somewhere to have sex, and at ANY point either you or her decides that you actually don't want to have sex. The person that persists against the others wishes is indeed committing rape, yes.
PixelSprite64
theAught
I'm over it. Go pick the fucking bear
Subsound
We get it, you only care if it directly affects you.
MeowMachine12
We already did, you absolute fucking loser.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I don't think a guy like you was ever in the running. No need to be upset about the bear.
theAught
That part I get, but continuing to lump all of us in together isn't helping. It's a generalization that is no longer funny and I am finding hurtful. When we stereotype or generalize we do the same thing that we condemn.
We are not all terrible
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
The problem is we don't know which ones are the actual problem. So unfortunately it's guilty until proven innocent.
theAught
Yeah kind of the thing with not know which bears are hungry. The analogy is tired and has lost its humor to me
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I'll let everyone know you're tired of it and not to mention it anymore.
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
And your privilege is that you get to be over it. To not have to worry about that person staring at you, or walking home in the dark, or even in the middle of the day as has happened to many women. We have to worry every single day. Go talk to the women in your life, and i will bet every one of them has experienced sexual harassment at a minimum, sexual assault or rape at the worst. We wish we could also be over it, we dont have that privilege.
Dxoh
Honestly, they likely don't trust him enough to speak about that with him.
theAught
So just keep lumping all of us together. And yelling all of us how every man is garbage and how you would rather be eaten by a bear. I'm tired of being made to feel like every man is so horrible.
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
Just missing the point entirely as usual. Be better mate. As a father and a husband. Be better. My husband for example, is not butt hurt by this argument. Nor is my brother. As they understand that women have to be wary of all strange men because our lived experience tells us thats the case. That all of us have experienced situations where we didnt feel safe. But yeah, we are just piling on and vilifying men for no reason, and i as a straight cis woman, hate all men lol
Dxoh
Men: Women, you gotta protect yourselves better! Stay out of dark alleys, keep your keys handy, don't take drinks from strangers, don't wear skimpy clothes. Women: OK, we'll avoid being alone with a dude when we go hiking. Men: Not like that!
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
That made me chuckle, so spot on!
MeowMachine12
Assuming he's male and single and can't maintain a relationship, and that's what his bitter comment actually meant.... He's not actually over it because it'll forever be his problem. He'll fail to learn and grow and resent women for his whole sad single life, and it'll be their fault in his eyes because we pick the bear and not him. He doesn't understand why women pick the bear to begin with, and that's part of the problem.
theAught
No, I'm married and have daughter. This analogy had just run is course. I'm done hearing about how all men are so terrible. Seriously go try a wild bear.
patnine
So you're saying you're never worried that your young vulnerable children/daughter might be sexually assaulted? You believe she can hold her own against someone who is bigger and stronger? Situational awareness is part of the recommendations to avoid becoming a victim. I hope she gets taught by someone with more sympathy than you.
theAught
No I don't worry about what I can't control. One thing I cam control is not leaving her unattended in a forest with wild animals..
proxy5000
dickblack12
For fuck's sake.
DumpingSh1tandBeingKind2
Fucking disgusting 😡😥
PoliticalWanderer
Another example of why self-policing almost never works.
RooGryphon
you have access to guns and weapons and the training to use them.... just sayin
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
Hilarious you think we would be able to claim self defence if we actually did that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyntoia_Brown
GratuaCuun
nachosyndicate
So, she should have just done more? Is that the angle you're taking here?
pareidoliaperson
Imagine killing one of those rich boys that she reported for rape and assault and nothing happened. I mean if she had a death wish...
Ironferrox
I mean let’s just be real officers in nam were encouraged to be a little less shitty when they know getting fragged in the field was a possibility
JoshtheFireStarter
Of all the bad takes to make, this is one of the most ignorant you could have managed. Congratulations?
dingosmush
I'm going to assume by your favorites folder, you're opposed to fascism, & that you (maybe) support women. I want you to reread your comment, I want you to really dig into it. You, maybe unintentionally, insinuated she should have done more. This is, in my opinion, as bad as an E-8 laughing at her when acquitting her attacker.
Perhaps you thought this was a tongue in cheek way of trying to empower the tweeter. That is not how it came across.
Ironferrox
I think what they are saying is the only way the system Will change is if those in power fear the consequence of death if you laugh in the face of a rape victim with weapons training. They aren’t saying she didn’t do enough I think they are saying if those in charge learned to fear the consequences of laughing then they might not be so confident as to laugh.
Ironferrox
The fact is: knowing fragging did sometimes happen did cause some officers to be a bit less shitty out of fear that they could Coincidentally end up getting blown up by a completely accidental grenade. Fragging worked.
patnine
It's a lot harder to anonymously shoot someone in an ordinary office building and get it logged as a random unattributed accident. I would conjecture (based on zero knowledge) that fragging was attributed to shitty behavior that multiple people experienced as a group, and thus could agree that the guy was an ass. As opposed to something in private with no witnesses, with multiple people telling the victim she was at fault (see cartoon.)
meganical
Rape in the military is awful. I did a report on it forever ago and nothing has changed since then
Snooj
I'm sure they've figured out methods to cover it up better.
Sebastopol140
Isgrimnur
Sexual assault cases are formally removed from the U.S. military chain of command
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1222057516/military-sexual-assault-cases-move
Geistbar
Sen Gillibrand spent 10 years fighting for that change. Crazy fact: Rand Paul and Ted Cruz cosponosred her original 2013 legislation to achieve this. I remember early on when the senate kept coming to constant compromises to try and make the issue go away.
Not saying she's the only reason it passed. But Gillibrand was easily the most visible and persistent elected proponent of making this change happen.
Leithoa
Now if only the civilian world cared to prosecute rapes.
Ironferrox
That would require forcing cops to not be able to get away with being wife beaters and rapists
Totallyscrewedinaustin
Took them long enough, fucking shit
IamTerribleAtCreatingUserNames
As someone in the Army, this is fucking great. I can't stand all the stories I hear about like in the post.
theonlybronson
And then there's the unfortunate reverse of women using the #metoo movement to blanket accuse men who did nothing and potentially ruined lives. Men can be shitty, but false accusations can also ruin families, careers, lives
SnowpersonHitInTheFaceWithALackOfCreativity
If you are an awful enough person to plausibly be accused of rape I have no sympathy whatsoever
Subsound
So how many true cases of rape is it okay to ignore per false accusation of rape?
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Not my thinking but probably any number of rapes until false accusations are zero. Gotta keep a grip on that privilege.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Which was negligible but keep telling yourself men have it bad.
Hyzenthlay021
Do the numbers matter? If (yes, VERY hypothetically) there was only a single case of rape in the country/year, would it then not matter, because the numbers are negligible? Whatever crime is being committed, no matter the frequency, is very personal to the victim, and none of us should denigrate those affected by it.
nachosyndicate
And clock it.
ChelVanin
You see how uncomfortable you were letting it be about women for one minute for you turned around back to men? That’s part of the problem.
Kamasu0Tra
So, to be clear, we can't criticize the movement, even though it's years after it? You do know the whole #metoo thing was years ago, right? Or are we just not allowed to criticize it ever?
ChelVanin
What do you mean, criticize it?
Kamasu0Tra
Strong choice of words maybe; discuss it's effects on innocent men then.
ChelVanin
It’s not so much a question of when, but rather where. I you feel strongly, start your own conversation. Doing it here makes it look like you’re trying to distract from other peoples problems and turn the attention back on yourself.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I ber you think "whew! Glad #metoo is over!" It was scary being held accountable for bad behavior, wasn't it?
Kamasu0Tra
Not at all, because I've never done anything wrong. Yet I still had fear of the movement, after seeing how quickly other innocent men were accused and harassed.
tallyhoho
Name one. I'll wait
Painahimah
You know it's still not over, yea? As long as women/femmes are being treated this way we'll keep having to speak up and fight
Kamasu0Tra
Ok, so then my point stands; when can we talk about it's effects on men? Is it never then, because there will always be pigs and assholes in the world?
Painahimah
My dear, the false accusations you're referring to are exceptionally rare. Should there be any? No. But also should it be that EVERY woman has stories of being groped, intimidated, abused, and/or SA'd??
thedudeman519
It's literally brought up ALL THE TIME in conversations about women's experiences. Perhaps just starting your own conversation about it without using it as a deflection or a distraction from the original topic would get much more support.
PoliticalWanderer
They pretty much brag about their awfulness and desire to lord over women.
And regarding bears, it's funny how something like this will come along and they'll make a big deal about the dangers of bears while insisting that every woman raped, murdered, or abused by men should be glossed over.
Coolmikefromcanada
i am fairly confident that most unwanted interactions with bears can be stopped by waving my hands in the air and yelling, there are very few unwanted interactions with men that i can end that way
Dxoh
The biggest thing that stuck with me from all that was "even on a hypothetical, some men can't accept a woman's no". Dudes like this really work overtime to prove the point.
tickletits
They got to the age of social media before having a bear attack - the earliest recorded punishment for Rape was 400AD. We absolutely still choose the bear.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
Ian Miles Cheong, not even American, won’t shut the fuck up about American politics, and shills for Nazis.
ThereAreChameleonsEverywhereProbably
Note how this is the "first fatal bear attack" in California, but there were 222 women killed by men in California in 2020 alone. That we know of.
And yet some men still act confused when we choose the bear.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/327462/women-murdered-by-men-united-states/
Snooj
California's FIRST fatal bear attack. So that's one and it's taken this long to get there. Yeah, pretty sure they still prefer the bears.
thedudeman519
Man that dude just wanted to ignore the "first" part .
cousteau
They got him on the "first" part, not gonna lie.
thedudeman519
Beautiful
Jonson71
The asshole in this tweet doesn't realize he's making the opposite point. The women 100% know the danger of a bear. Hell, if anything they OVERESTIMATE the danger of a bear. And still the prefer the bear over a man. Zero self awareness by this prick.
MeowMachine12
RayneOfSalt
There have been just over 660 bear attacks worldwide in the last 10 years. In Australia alone this year over 50 women have been killed by men.
HelpTheWretched
JFC what a colossal choad
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
One of my favorite responses was men explaining we just didn't understand how dangerous bears are. We do. We understood the statistics. We went with the less likely option of predators that would harm us.
Tomigami
In a sea of shitheads, that guy is like a toothless shark with a flaccid fin. Fuck that living ballsweat of a person and every one of his temperature-of-rancid-chicken-left-out-all-night takes.
Isgrimnur
One bear vs. 1,690 men.
“Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that 34% were killed by an intimate partner.”
https://bjs.ojp.gov/female-murder-victims-and-victim-offender-relationship-2021
HandoB4Javert
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Not "one vs 1690". That was the first fatal bear attack in Cali history. I'm not even gonna grab the "all time ever" data, but that means, within the last ten years, it is one vs... 19249... and basically just give that a 10x multipler for rape.
BlindGardener
Some of that has to be the same guy multiple times though
PoliticalWanderer
Also, that was just the number of men that were boyfriends, or husbands, or whatever else. Although getting attacked by strangers on the street is much rarer than what you'd think in crime fiction, it does happen. It's also (presumably) not counting women assaulted by say, a family member, an ex, a crazed stalker, or whatever else.
So 1690, even for that one year, is a big undercounting.
cousteau
First bear attack *in California* though. (But also first one in history, not in a year)
DraydanGuitar
"A 2000 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that men account "for an average of 95 per cent of all persons convicted of homicide in 53 countries" and 79% of the victims"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender
I ain't saying men are great there, but if we go purely by statistics/gender , we're far more likely to kill eachother vs killing the opposite sex.
1/2
DraydanGuitar
2/2
Also , a study with around 60,000 cases of women perpatrating homicide has shown a 60% case of victims being close , albeit they rarely do commit murder however.
Dxoh
I wonder how many of those were justified, because for a long time there was no legal way for a woman to leave an abusive, rapist husband.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
I did read somewhere murder of husbands went down after no fault divorce was introduced.
DraydanGuitar
Tbh, i'd like to know that too, however they only focused on the relationship between victim/ murderer
thedudeman519
Solid deflection, well done!
DraydanGuitar
Not trying to deflect at all. There *is* a higher chance for a male partner to be violent , my point is however that the "bear" does not paint a complete picture.
Ie: how many were sufferers of PTSD, depression, etc.
I don't condone their acts, doesn't excuses em either.
However, men's mental health and openly displaying emotions were negatively stigmatized for a long period of time , and that type of environment breeds instability.
FacelessAce
You know what, you're right, and I will change my beliefs accordingly:
If I had to choose between being trapped in the woods with a woman or a bear, I would choose the bear. If you have an issue with this, then you're part of the reason I choose the bear.
FacelessAce
I will also point out that most assaults and that sort of thing are done by people you know, not strangers. So it's not a problem if you meet a strange man in the woods, because it's the man you know in the woods that you should really be afraid of. Or woman/non-binary, I don't judge.
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
Stop it. No one is persecuting you. You're being obtuse by not understanding what the hypothetical is really about.
FacelessAce
And you wonder why I choose the bear... /s
DraydanGuitar
Basing yourself on hypotheticals is a surefireway to failure.
Example: women commit 4% of murders according to studies taken in 1997 through 2000 , and out of 60,000 murders, 60% of them were close partners or family members.
Or : ADHD people have a significantly higher percenrage (15.2%) to be a drug addict then regular people (5.6%)
Should we call all ADHD people potential future drug addicts or act as if they were then , or always assume women will kill a family member if pushed ?
FacelessAce
P.S. What do you mean, "REALLY about"? I thought it was about how women thought men were more dangerous and/or worse than bears. If there was another reason behind it, why wouldn't people be more direct?
beeeeeeerkaaaaa
There ya go! You DO understand it! Well part. You've also made this about yourself so you missed that part. P.S. we were direct and men tried to explain we don't understand statistics. We do.