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Aug 23, 2024 9:11 AM
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jridley
That seems insanely optimistic. I would be surprised if they don't triple by the end of the DECADE.
MusicPenguin
I was going to write about the AMOC collapse in 20 years, which will cause far more damage sooner.
ourari
Sauce: https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/21/heat-deaths-in-europe-may-triple-by-end-of-the-century-study-finds
ChalkCoatedDonut
Government and corporations: *points at some random person* "It's all their fault, beat him, even better, you can pay for a monthly suscription to this stick so you can give him a VIP beating, be better than anyone else while doing it".
Imustntrunaway
When they go to hide in their fancy bunkers to ride out the crisis they ushered in? Weld the doors closed. Cement them in. Pile rocks. Fart into the goddamn air intakes. Any last thing to make sure that not a one of these fuckers gets the last laugh.
drowninginthesouth
False. They are not sorry and will not even pretend to be sorry
my1rstlaptopwas34inchscreenup
MantisTobagganMD
Time for Humpty Dumpty to have a big fall...
Mountons
A. They're not sorry.
B. Triple is very conservative, though we might get a fresh new European ice age.... Without the ice.
Funwithpuns350
Europeans when learning about AC
Debtoor
Only triple? Was expecting way more
rossimus
On the upside, this will make it easier to invade Russia.
Littledirtybirdyfeet
Time to open a central air company in Europe and make a killing
IWasACatAllAlong
I would like to sign up for the killing position.
epledryyk
it's not even that, the spanish government literally banned low AC temps because they can't be bothered to do anything to generate better electricity.
germany destroyed that nuclear tower and went back to coal. they're doing this to themselves
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spain-air-conditioning-ac-80-degrees-bars-offices-shops-heat-wave-energy-costs
ourari
We're moving to heat pumps, which can sustainably heat in winter and cool in summer.
LordHelmetTheThird
Yeah, in areas it can take 6-9 months to get a qualified installer to come by.
Nurich
AtsaMattaForMe
talldean
I mean, even if one or two governments were pushing for change, unless they go to war to enforce the change in others... it's a pretty steep climb.
pareidoliaperson
What heat? It's raining around here! I mean it's raining now, but didn't before. But still, check mate libtards!!/s
Redshadow09
Shame
peedrinkingcrapface
the ship has sailed for mitigation. assimilation is the only responsible climate policy anymore. we need to brace for impact. still, our politicians will try to buy the climate vote with the same token emissions caps and reduction quotas that were already too late 25 years ago.
MrStealUrMeme
As sad as the future most likely will be (climate wise) I feel like where I live now will at least be one of the better spots to live. I live in Wisconsin (USA) and our temps the last few years seem to be nicer. Mild winter temps, and August, which is normally our hottest with weeks of 90+ weather, has been 70s to low 80s with cool nights. Of course, economically all of us will suffer with climate change.
peedrinkingcrapface
im from the great lakes too and i agree.
TurdBurglar3000
It's not only about temperatures increasing, it also means extreme weather is going to become more common (droughts followed by heavy rain, strong winds etc)
StewedTomaters
I'm prepared for the downvotes: South Park did a major, major disservice to my generation vis-à-vis climate change awareness. I still watch it, I've seen their updated response episode, but a lot of fucking kids watched that shit back in the early 2000s and came away dumber on that specific issue. Probably will never get over that.
NearHereThere
Ree81
We've already run out of time to secure a *good* future. Whatever we do now is to ensure the future isn't a living hell.
cunninglinguist85
ThatShiftyMonkey
Narrator: They were, in fact, not sorry.
suiseiseki
By next summer.*
Raikupath
Yeah, everyone driving a car, taking part in mass meat production, not working towards public transport as the standard not the second choice, paying for Amazon to get you your package in a day and so much more definitely has nothing to do with it as well.
JadeNB1729
While it's true that individual actions have an impact, and are within our direct control, the climate impact of large corporations and the very wealthy far outstrips the cumulative impact of those out of the ultra-privileged class. Re-directing our attention to personal accountability is just a way for them to escape their own accountability.
Jattetont
I think that analysis is conveniently superficial.
Sure, 57 corporations are linked to 80% of emissions, but those companies are largely the ones that supply fossil fuels. (Shell, Exxon, Saudi Aramco, Gazprom…) Surely some of the responsibility is also on the customers who buy and burn their product? It's not like we could solve the problem just by shutting down or regulating those companies; we need to break our dependency on oil/gas/coal, and that requires dealing with the issues mentioned.
freshthrowaway1138
Although partially true, it ignores the simple fact that Americans consume up to 15 times the amount of resources as some countries. We consume twice as much as the average European. We pollute more than any other people on the planet. If you live in the imperial core, you are absolutely using and abusing more than is necessary. Sure, there are some who are even worse; but individuals are definitely a cause for harm.
NoMuffinsToSpare
You can have a far greater impact by just not having kids. I'm doing my part and have no one to apologise to.
METROlD
When I didn't have kids I took the subway every day and it was awesome. Ive got 2 kids now however. Theyre too young to ride the bus alone and they have to be at different schools on opposite ends of town at specific times each morning. Its simply not possible with our current infrastructure for me to not drive every day.
SuperPickle17
does your schools not offer schoolbuses?
METROlD
Not until theyre older. Im not even sure how it works honestly the staff is straight up, yeah, no. We dont put kids that young on a bus, I never asked the age limit. I just accepted my fate of another school year of driving.
SuperPickle17
weird. I went to school on a bus in kindergarten
METROlD
Yeah. So did I. My parents didnt give a damn, they would have me walking half way across town, taking busses, etc. I just looked it up cause now Im curious. He can start taking the bus next year. So, first grade. Thats reasonable I guess.
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
I agree on the US bu here in Germany the public infrastructure is absolutely amazing and we still have to battle parents who can’t have their kid (ages 12+) walk 10 minutes to school. Funnily these parents cause the most accidents with students too :)
henryvk
My coworker told me there was an afternoon excursion at her kids‘ downtown school. So school’s right by the inner city ring, destination 10 minutes away, also downtown. Parents pick their kids up by car, bc ofc, and proceed to drive to other location which —SURPRISE.MFs.IT‘S.F‘ING.DOWNTOWN — has no parking whatsoever, so have to ride around 30 minutes to find some, making everyone late af for activity. That, my merry fellows, is ppl in a nutshell for you.
henryvk
*10 minutes to walk, obviously…
assurhaddon
What
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
Please be more specific. Not sure what causes the „what“ for you :)
assurhaddon
I'm surprised by your impression since my experience was more than poor. Constant delays, no support for wheelchairs, regularly cancellation with no further notice. Not limited to deutsche Bahn, local public transport aswell.
My experiences in Switzerland, Austria or Japan were way more positive.
swedeonamoose
Well at least the spaniards will get their wish come true, tourists will stay the fuck away in the future.
giganticroboticpenguin
"...end of the century,..." More like another ten years. Heat islands with pre-WWII apartments need to be torn down and rebuilt to higher energy efficiency standards.
byronfelson
Dream on, we can't afford a new apartment.
giganticroboticpenguin
That's something else that needs to be addressed. Japan sort of has housing prices under control but the loose building standards mean energy efficiency is lacking.
sme2812
Major temperature drop in Europe when this thing collapses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation
WestieTree5
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KinkExpert
Soon.
ProgeriaProstitutes
So it might all just cancel out....
Pally01
Only for the coastal regions (maybe). TLDR - Britain could get hotter and then colder, whilst all of western europe that is not within 50 miles of seawater just starts to burn.
shammael
Not sure about Britain, but Ireland? People are gonna die freezing there and many will have to before the government lifts a pinky.
RuBisCO1
Yeah and madrid will have the weather of chicago! I think we are going to need to experience, the masses will not revolt until they are already fucked.
33Fox
You mean like people always have since the beginning of recorded history?
RuBisCO1
Yes, which is sad, we can't properly deal with problems until most of us are destitute from said problems, and then we usually overcurrent and kill lots and lots of people, not just the ones directly responsible (al la French revolution)... this is why I want an AI overlord: we humans just can't govern ourselves well.
ourari
Still quite a few heat deaths before that happens. AMOC collapse could be in a few decades, but it could also be next century.
Ree81
Most new science points toward "within decades".
MusicPenguin
Go read the Ditlevsen siblings paper. It might be as soon as 20 years.
LordHelmetTheThird
Considering that the latest updated predictions say AMOC could collapse as early as 2030, I wouldn’t bank on the “few decades”. Especially considering that currently all the data points seem to point to faster timeline than even the most pessimistic predictions have predicted.
ourari
You're right, a 'few decades' was too optimistic and a mistake on my part (I misremembered). I am not trying to downplay it. It is really hard to predict when, though. 'As early as' does not mean that 2030 is the most likely scenario.
LordHelmetTheThird
I didn’t take it as downplaying at all. We don’t just have one number, we have a “general scientific consensus”, but that keeps changing as the models are updated and as we get new data points.
And to be fair 2030 is the lower end of the current predictions. I just personally feel like all the models we have seem to underestimate the current, quite rapid development. We might see a catastrophic climate collapse way sooner than “maybe sometime during our grandchildren lives”.
Leithoa
"A few decades? We gotta get those numbers down " - Oil Execs
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
I‘m sure the office building in Brussels where decisions are being made has a nice AC running so there won’t be change any time soon I fear
Kingdomonsterdeath
So time to destroy all the AC units on corporate buildings. Make them very uncomfortable while they hold those board meetings.
HiHowAreYou92
"how are these people dying? Why don't they just turn their AC units up!?" - Some out of touch CEO or politician probably.
rulek
The people are not electing climate action. COVID has shown people will fiercely oppose the slightest inconvenience. I'm voting green but expecting the worst.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
Just curious, are you a fellow European who just don't follow EU politics or from the colonies and talking out your ass?
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
And a big fan of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_PARTEI
ItTookMeAGoodWhileToComeUpWithAUsername
I am 100% Europäer :)
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
We're the greenest countries on the planet my eurobro! For the crime of making us sound bad to the stinky yanks, I curse you to smell like the stinky French! 🪄
mormacil
Euh EU tries to put hard limits on AC usage, Spain already banned ACs going below 80F. EU also puts strict climate control limits on their new offices. Your cynicism is unfounded in this instance.
forte10
Thats funny, because over here, we have limits on things like water usage, and guess what? The rich DGAF. They pay the paltry fine and do it again. "Jumanji star Kevin Hart was also on the water district's June list of overconsumption of water at his 26-acre Calabasas property. Hart exceeded the water limit by 519 percent, or 117,000 gallons."
forte10
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11134785/The-Kardashians-Sylvester-Stallone-Kevin-Hart-IGNORING-water-limits-California-drought.html#:~:text=Jumanji%20star%20Kevin%20Hart%20was,519%20percent%2C%20or%20117%2C000%20gallons.
freshthrowaway1138
Although I'm sure your point is correct, no one should use the Daily Mail as a source. Ever. It is a rag that is full of lies and misrepresentations of reality. Nothing it says should ever be trusted.
mormacil
That's why EU countries like Finland make fines percentage based instead of fixed.
forte10
Does it work?
mormacil
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/finnish-businessman-hit-with-121000-speeding-fine You tell me
ourari
We have enough problems without you painting friends as enemies. The EU is leading, not following when it comes to climate.
Yellowboy66
In OPs defence they said the people in an office in Brussels, which is very different to the EU as a whole. Personally I don't rate the European Parliaments committment to their emissions very highly. They alone produce the equivalent CO2 to burning 250,000 barrels of oil a year.
Hemelsblauw
EU is leading environmental stuff, but local parties are being difficult.
ProgeriaProstitutes
Yes but they should be doing much more. The economy allways comes first apparently. Even if it's at the cost of our athmosphere
Hemelsblauw
Things have to be paid for, and the public needs to adapt. But they might have started a lot of stuff in the 80s. On the other hand EU then wasn't as sturdy as it is now.
lostlittletimeonthis
Reading through local news comments the amount of idiots who think this is a hoax or plain wrong or some conspiracy
Groetgaffel
Leading yes, but still a decade or four behind where they should be.
Hemelsblauw
A lot of things we do now could have been done in the 80's, already.
Yellowboy66
From which offices? The ones in Brussels, or the ones in France that they needlessly ship everyone out to once a month, including tonnes of paperwork and staffers, just for fun. If they want to lead on reducing environmental impacts, maybe they could start there.
Hemelsblauw
I agree with that. One office should be enough.
unfortunatelynotdeadyet
The corporations would not apologize, even fake for publicity. They don’t care enough for that. They have destroyed most life on earth for profit and they don’t give a shit.
JadeNB1729
If you think that corporations won't fake sincerity on issues that they don't care about, or actively oppose, in exchange for increased profits, then perhaps you weren't watching during Pride month.
rusrsdude
Or during the blm movement either, lol.
warriorofdiscord
It's so interesting how everyone goes "corporations and governments," but it's never a specific corporation or a specific government. Responsibility for the planet is diffused amongst all. And so when you have countries that don't play ball, the only acceptable action is to do the best you and your countrymen can, care for what YOU'RE responsible for, and brace for impact.
Nalianna
Are you high?
PectorialMuscles
He's referencing the list of less than 20 corporations that contribute something like 80% of pollutants. :) Maybe you're the uninformed here. Also, China and America house most of those corporations, so governments are responsible for letting them exist.
PectorialMuscles
57, actually. I was way under. 57 corporations. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/since-2016-80-percent-of-global-co2-emissions-come-from-just-57-companies-report-shows-180984118/
PectorialMuscles
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/majority-recent-co2-emissions-linked-just-57-producers-report-says-2024-04-04/
PectorialMuscles
https://webstories.theguardian.com/stories/uk/2024/apr/4/just-57-companies-linked-to-80-of-greenhouse-gas-emissions-since-2016/
warriorofdiscord
And if every one of our corporations stopped releasing 100% of pollution into the atmosphere, you wanna know what would happen?
Climate change would continue. Because we don't control India. We don't control China. We don't control any other country but our own.
Nalianna
So, because of "thing you can't prove", don't even try? Interesting.
PectorialMuscles
What a disingenuous series of letters. "We shouldn't make it better because other people won't follow suit." My brother in Christ, I was alive during the Ozone depletion crisis. We all worked together, globally. If America set an example, not only would it economically impact other corporations, it would force them into similar practices because of OUR rules. Let me rephrase what you said: "we shouldn't pull this splinter because he has another splinter elsewhere."
PectorialMuscles
I'll also point out that the original statement was a complaint that we blame corporations and governments. Yes. My point is that that's EXACTLY who we need to put on the chopping block to survive because that's exactly who's committing 80 fucking percent of climate changing acts.