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Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRNVc3-XGFg
Credit : WSJ’s Joanna Stern She is phenomenal, she did a great research on iPhone thefts leading to people losing their bank accounts that led to an iPhone update.
She does great work
Other stuff
Conan Norm MacDonald https://imgur.com/gallery/eFWDAGBhttps://imgur.com/gallery/QFl0JtF
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discostewsm
And all that energy just to tell me to eat rocks.
DukePhelan
There are so many of these god damned things going in or already operating here in northern Virginia. I can't wait for the resources of the world to be poured into something whose only purpose is to allow the wealthy to remove even more of the cost of labor from the balance sheets.
The future fucking suck!
TooSoonOldTooLateSmart
Data centers were a bad guy a few years ago for bitcoin mining. AI has made us forget that. Hmm.
Computer servers make huge amounts of waste heat. We should be able to use that heat.
Hypothesist
I live and do work at those datacenters in northern Virginia.... there is so many datacenters here its kinda crazy the square milage of datacenters
kewakl
( /gallery/consumers-are-subsidized-data-center-energy-usage-kEADTuG )
StonesTwice
Since AI is so great, let's start talk about replacing congress with it, and see how far that goes
davebarton315101
That’s the next step in the plan.
SpoonOfDoom
One thing that never gets explained in these is what happens to the water? I know it's used for cooling, but I would have assumed it to be a closed system where water doesn't just gtfo and gets reused, which would be very different than irretrievably consuming x amount of water in some way.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Depends on the system. None of it is "irretrievably consumed," of course, because water doesn't work that way. Most recirculate the water through cooling towers, letting some evaporate into the air before reusing it for another round of cooling, which continues until the mineral content of the water becomes too high. Others have active cooling systems that they circulate the water through. "Once through" cooling that just dumps it back into the environment is pretty rare these days.
gorgeousninja
In an ideal world, groups of people would target the data centres, put them out of action and help save the planet, however we now have a world where US government kidnaps people off the street to put into concentration camps and noone lifts a finger.
TheFastpaws
We are doomed and I hate it here.
shepahrdjhon
part of it is not even our fault, Google and Bing by default show an "AI summary" which also has the negative effect of not giving the needed clicks to the sources where the summaries are generated from. Even Duck Duck Go is not safe but at least they don't do it by default.
SomeKindOfEye
can it run crysis?
Sledeverest
I do a thing and this happens. What if make a movie for 5 years and I have to drive and feed myself?
Degarafarat
At some point we will arrive at those human farms to produce power to run the AI as in the Matrix.
laserfork
Wave hello children of the future, this is going to be your teacher from grade school until college!
OmnesMundiLardum
So ppl who cook their steaks well done on electric grills are to blame. Got it. s/ https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bjR1cWdzZXplZThzazFiMXFsNGZnZDY1eTNxa3c2aGt5NHpuajA1ZSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/xT5LMFVzo2WAmG8qNq/200w.webp
SunscreenOnLeith
Way back in the before times I was a SysOp in a machine room running 15 DECVax 7000 minicomputers. The environment was monitored for temp & humidity and the techs could never figure out why humidity was spiking on Thursday evenings, between about 7:30 and 10. It was because my shift mate Gary did his washing before starting his shift at 7, and he hung it up behind the exhaust ports to dry.
tombeithemist
Classic Gary.
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Thazzract
Yes the planet would be better off with no humans and just AI. Let's start with you.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
Lol nice try
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Oh right, the "AI uses less energy than human writers or artists" argument. Yes, the AI industry actually went there. Because humans will just stop eating and heating and showering after being replaced by AI. Everyone knows when people are laid off, they go sit in a corner somewhere and starve themselves to death. Idiot.
kiomadoushi
Americans and using any unit but metric... "How much energy does one search use?" About a medium rare steak.
KingKrabvoldIV
This will breed a nation of idiots and spread misinformation like no one has imagined, and all at the expense of the same people it’s hurting. Fuck carbon emissions or increased energy use, just the dystopian world that Zuckerberg and every parasite tech bro envisioned.
TheGriffin
Thats their goal. Idiots who can be ruled over
KipperFillets
Plus, if no one reads books or whole articles to get context, they won't remember any facts.
It will be easy for AI to do a Trump and spew any old crap out and they'll remember that though, and will be harder to spot.
CaptSchmidtGaming
how so then how much steak does 1 hour of helldivers on a 3080 consume?
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Vastly more than any number of AI queries that you could generate in an hour. For all the noise about AI power usage, a ChatGPT query eats about 0.3 watt-hours of electricity. That means that if you're reading this on a laptop, you're burning roughly the equivalent of 4.5 ChatGPT queries every single minute just to run your laptop. A high-end desktop? Easily 50 queries a minute.
Five minutes of Googling burns way more power than simply asking ChatGPT. Perspective is important.
PalaverQuader
why does the user device matter? the AI isn't running on that.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Because it's still consuming energy. People freak out about the electrical usage without realizing it's only one tiny amount in a vast chain of devices that consume electricity in order to connect you to the internet. I mean, this isn't even getting into the many OTHER data centers that sit between you and the server, all of which have to be burning 24/7 just to keep the internet up and running, which have nothing particularly to do with AI.
PalaverQuader
yes the device would be on and running regardless if used for AI query or a regular search and as u correctly stated all the devices in the chain need to be running aswell. so that part of power consumption wont change. at that point we are arguing whether or not to use the internet; not about what difference using AI or not will do to the power consumption. only those parts in the chain that actually change when using AI compared to other tools are interesting for the comparison, right?
CaptSchmidtGaming
you may be right about the words... but the images and video's have extremely higher costs... and thats what the content was about.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Not that much. Even the WSJ's highest possible estimate runs about 1 kilowatt-hour for an elaborate 60 second high quality video. That sounds like a lot, but again, it's what a high end desktop burns in an hour; and you would spend a LOT more than an hour manually creating CGI and visual effects for a 60 second clip. This is a sticker-shock thing because people don't really understand the electrical "cost" of everyday activities.
EternallyIgnorant
Yeah. I like that there is a comparison to SOMETHING in the video, although steak is really fucking abstract. I would rather see things like gaming, or AI in a self driving car, or lights in a stadium, or and average home's air conditioning system, and would rather see like five separate things each compared. Because number of steaks grilled means next to nothing to me. Its like the least intuitive example I could think of lol.
CaptSchmidtGaming
6-8 hours of helldiving is 1 steak. Not too bad
Alozar
I think the more important question you need to ask is how many football fields will those cooked steaks cover?
dudbdjf
How many large boulders the size of small boulders does it weigh?
CaptSchmidtGaming
asking the real questions
usingYourMomAsAHat
Atleast 3 half-full waching machines
echonite
Nowncompare that to the costs of the servers you make use of for general social media. It's not much different.
Trelis
And Trump made deal with EU, for them to buy energy, which likely will increase prices too.
Europe have been working hard to find new sources since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Guess Europeans will be managing to keep energy prices down, at the cost of increasing US domestic energy prices.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
How much energy did this video creation use?
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
The energy demand of filming and editing digital video is negligible in comparison to, say, rendering 3D video content (aka CGI). Producing a mere 5 minutes of CGI on an average home PC can take anywhere from several hours to multiple days depending on the complexity of the scene and the required quality. And AI video requires even more computing power. Hence these giant data centers with multiple parallel GPUs per server. Video editing on your home PC is a tiny drop in the bucket in comparison.
Grogu007
so let me add a point. The "video creation" and "video distribution" part is same for AI and non AI videos. AI consume additional power that is much much higher
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
I'm talking about the dancing steak.
JohnThatcher
They answered that in the video. Didn't you watch it?
faro2000
+ sending it to hundreds of thousands of homes and playback energy consumption, of course.
Grogu007
so let me add a point. The "video creation" and "video distribution" part is same for AI and non AI videos. AI consume additional power that is much much higher
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
No, it actually isn't. AI video generation requires only the computer. Filming something requires a great deal of equipment.
Rendova
Machines taking over just like Archie Bunker said.
Sledeverest
lazy
somethingsomethingmcbob
And I don't even Want this shit! It's being shoved down our throats against our will. Google won't let me opt out.
UDontKnowMeSoUDontKnowJack
Get an app/add-on that can block parts of pages to block the A.I. slop.
JohnThatcher
The solution is to opt out of Google. Jump through the required hoops to clean as much of the crap out of your phone as you can and install Google free alternatives.
DukePhelan
They are pouring money into this in the hopes of replacing an ever increasing part of the labor costs with Ai, who won't complain works all day and won't unionize.
jb10101
Just add “-ai” to whatever you google
UDontKnowMeSoUDontKnowJack
Imagine when the A.I. fad quickly dies and these data centers crash hard. Better sell your stocks in the companies that run them soon.
sleepinggreenidea
Imagine knowing so little about AI and how long these technologies have been around that you think it's a fad that's about to crash.
blaghart
Now do one about the NSA data centers that hoard everything that is done on any US based website. Funny how journalists rarely cover that, almost like there's some kind of...incentive...not to draw attention to it. I wonder why
Quebeker
Incentive or fear of retaliation?
hannibalhague
Useless fucking shit. Stealing our shit. Killing us all.
coughingintensifies
fern on Youtube did one about the NY one the other day. Nothing about power consumption though, but interesting anyway.
ourari
You only know about the NSA data centers because journalists covered it...
MakeItBackAlright
That's a real old story. While i agree it's not known about widely enough, it's not exactly surprising news to anyone who knows about the NSA-a government branch specifically created to observe law abiding citizens- might be doing that ON THE INTERNET.
BrickSprickly
Umm because this uses significantly more power, which is the issue covered in the video
blaghart
it doesn't though. AI uses more power than not doing AI, but hoarding EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF DATA ON THE ENTIRE PLANET takes more power than the AI used by one private company does. The NSA has THREE data centers that are larger than about a third of all US cities.
TypicallyVigo
That size comparison is horrible. If you take out the huge outliers like L.A. and New York the average population of cities in the US is less than 5000. With half of those having a population of a few hundred. My rurel high school was probably bigger than a third of the cities in the US.
cultor1
This size comparison makes no sense
BrickSprickly
Nonsense
gumol
NSA has three data centers? That’s basically nothing.
Blud4BludGod
I just did an eight day drive through the continental US, about 65 hours total driving a lazy loop from CA to MO back to CA, passing through like 10 states. You would not BELIEVE how many "cities" there are out there between major cities that have populations of like 20-50 people. I'm not sure if you meant that statistic to sound impressive, but with the recency of that experience it does not.
normalizebeingalone
Someone on my local radio station (Joss, Tucson MixFM) said on radio that she used chatgpt to convert US$ to Yen. The sheer stupidity was just wild to me. There are probably thousands of applications or websites that could have done this without wasting as much resources as she did converting 3000$ to yen.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Actually no, using any website or app would have at least as much energy usage as ChatGPT. Your laptop is going to burn more power in the time it takes you to find a website than it takes to make the query.
normalizebeingalone
https://news.mit.edu/2025/explained-generative-ai-environmental-impact-0117
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Yes, AI servers use electricity. So do conventional server farms, which consume about ten times as much. So, for that matter, does literally every other industry. At my job there is a single fan on one of our larger pieces of equipment that burns as much electricity in one 8 hour shift as an average home does in an entire month. But that's part of how condensed milk is made. You can take anything out of context to make it sound scary.
normalizebeingalone
The water consumption, considering i live in a desert and am currently fighting against a data center they are trying to build right now in my desert, is my biggest concern right now. The electricity is shit but the water is insane.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Bear in mind it's not like data centers suck up drinking water, use it once, then dump it in the trash never to be used again. They recirculate cooling water, running it through cooling towers or active refrigeration systems to reuse it, only replacing it with fresh water when evaporation results in the mineral content of the water getting too high. Also, newer data center designs lose about 1/20th as much water as older ones do. Many also use non-drinkable or recycled water.
Zetor
Sorry Texans, my goth Angorian maid fanfiction isn't going to create itself.
Grogu007
made that post a few weeks ago /gallery/just-like-paper-straws-us-private-jets-rich-MhDAjVx some were defending AI companies lol
Zetor
Sorry, Texans
UnsolicitedRichardPicture
Is that one of those lusty argonian maids I hear so much about?
IEatYourSombrero
I want scales and green on everything, do it again.
Zetor
But the showers!