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https://gizmodo.com/trumps-new-plan-for-acquiring-greenland-is-ubi-for-its-residents-on-americans-dime-report-2000588507
Apr 15, 2025 2:19 PM
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https://gizmodo.com/trumps-new-plan-for-acquiring-greenland-is-ubi-for-its-residents-on-americans-dime-report-2000588507
InfocalypseRising
His plan is to promise them UBI but then stiff them when they actually take the deal*
AnythingMuchShorter
I can't believe enough of America is putting up with all this stupid and illegal shit for it to keep going on. They tried to remove Bill Clinton for one indirect lie about one blowjob.
hotaru251
"america first"
we killed economy but greenlanders? we giving em UBI using american taxpayer dolalrs."
taez555
Ha! Ha!! HAAA!!!!!!
SomeDetroitGuy
"We'll steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from you each year and give you $10,000 in exchange" is not a bargain anyone is going to willingly take, particularly with a guy who will never give up the $10,000 a year.
LazyUsername99
Anyone else think "Freedom Cities" sounds literall the same as every cyber-punk dystopian corpo nightmare like Night City?
lapinox
There is a great french sci-fi author: Alain Damasio. One of his last book is "les furtifs" is exactly about that. Another great book from him "la zone du dehors" (1999) about a city/colony, in which the political order is frightening by how everything is controlled statistically...
lapinox
There is a great french sci-fi author: Alain Damasio. One of his last book is "les furtifs" is exactly about that. Another great book from him "la zone du dehors" (1999) about a city/colony, in which the political order is frightening by how everything is controlled statistically...
Valharroth
I was thinking Rapture from bioshock, but yes. Absolutely.
briham86
Haven't these "libertarian cities" been tried numerous times by various groups? And haven't they always quickly and predictably collapsed? And haven't a number of them just been a scam?
KittyDish
yes
Gogoglovitch
The whole 'network city' idea explicitly gets rid of democracy. They're fiefdoms where the CEO is king. The right to a say in governance is replaced by a 'right to leave' -- but of course they're aware that leaving your home for a new place is hard, and it's even harder when your personal wealth is tied up in one city-state's scrip and property laws that the next city might not honor. It's serfdom with extra steps, and that's just the way they want it.
TheCunningLinguists
A return to City-States. I look forward to the inevitable wars between Bezos, Thiel, Musk, and Zuck.
Gogoglovitch
Or when a country that *didn't* fall for the network state idea, like, say, Russia or China, rolls up to one of them and says, 'hey, we're now several hundred times your size and have a military proportionately even bigger. You're either our client state or our new province now.' Repeat as necessary until they've conquered the former United States piecemeal. 'We shall all hang separately' indeed.
dynamojoe
Short version, they’re going to try to build Rapture in Greenland and just like sports stadiums they want the US Taxpayer to pay for it all.
yalczero
I'd rather they built it the traditional way underwater so all the billionaires could get crushed like an empty soda can.
Subtilico
So they want to steal trillions, and play generous by giving back a few millions...
Freestila
I mean at least the idea to ship maga idiots to a city in a cold country does sound promising. North or south pole are also free....
QuitLookinAtMineAim
He can guarantee you anything you want...
keillrandor
But got fired from Alice's Restaurant...
Johnsky
He'll never actually do it.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
Right
CaptCrobar
If you believe trump, I have a bridge to sell you
ParaspriteHugger
Only a complete moron would believe anything he promises.
Or guarantees per contract.
SillyZombie
so solidly 45% of america
MeeseOnABeam
trump didn't pay his bills before the supreme court was stacked in his favor, surely he will now that no legal power on this planet will even try and punish him
Sunflier
We can't even get UBI today for regular Americans. So, they'll offer UBI so long as it is in the administration's interest. But, once they have what they want, no more UBI. Hell, with the jackass's history, he probably promised a UBI that he has no intention of carrying out.
Amomani
Look at how well we've honored the treaties we've struck with our own native populations....
CookieMonstersCrumbs
Just gets fucking nuttier by the day.
Subsound
He's absolutely lying.
TwoBitGreaser
CelestialSea
It doesn't matter what kind of deal he offers them. He thinks Greenlanders are as stupid as Americans and will actually believe he's an honest dealer. Every one of them knows he'll renege on the deal as soon as it's no longer convenient, which in this case probably means about an hour after the ink's dry on the agreement to cede Greenland to the US.
zechor
I suspect they want a crypto mining hub by parking nuclear subs nearby to provide electricity until micro nuclear reactors can be brought online.
DanOrtega
There is a so-called city of these, in Central or South America, can't remember exactly where... and the place is riddled with problems, the main one being rampant disobedience by the "citizens", bunch of rich fucks that won't abide even the basic tenets of social contracts. Also, the former president that authorized this project went to jail for corruption.
TheCunningLinguists
Libertarianism means doing whatever I want; and doing it to you before you do it to me.
paddenstoel
"for people living tens of thousands of miles away" how big do they think the earth is?
Hured
Sorry, but the article suggests there’s ‘tens of thousands of miles’ between USA and Greenland. Am I the only one seeing that?
Zange0
Nah, you're right, that's some bad measurement.
Munchman347
Yeah, the Earth isn't even 8,000 miles around...
TinFoilHatReview
I predict that this offer will be honored as meticulously as those made with Native Americans!
BuckRavers
You know - I just realized there's nobody touting a REAL full-blown iron fist communist push. Just saying, as a forced participant of the capitalist system, there must be an unfulfilled need & opportunity there.
Gargwill
Does he think Greenland is as big as it looks on a map?
TheCunningLinguists
He absolutely does. The putain has no understanding of the Mercator projection.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
The standard of living for Greenlanders is vastly higher than that of Americans. They're not going to give it up just for chump change. It's an unprecedented windfall to Americans to whom poverty is the norm, but not to a people in a Nordic country.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
The amount they're saying they'd give is roughly equivalent to the $600 mil that Denmark is currently giving. But the big problem is, even if Trump did give the first payment in order to convince them, how many follow-up payments would there be? As soon as Trump got what he wanted, the flow of money would stop. Whereas Denmark has shown they'll continue it.
Pishposhbingbong
True. He doesn't have a reputation for sticking to deals and due to his ignoring of the rule of law, he has demonstrated clearly that his whims cannot be controlled by legal obligations.
freshthrowaway1138
No, the standard of living for Greenlanders is most definitely not higher than Americans. Where did you get that ridiculous notion? There have been tons of documentaries filmed in Greenland that talks about their desperate conditions and the end of their way of life.
Now this doesn't mean they should let the US take them over; but c'mon. Let's at least deal in reality.
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Ah, so technically on paper the US does have a high standard of living. But I meant literally, in practice. The standard of living you're referring to is economic. So simply by virtue of being so wealthy, economists rank the US as having one of the highest standards of living in the world.
But it doesn't account for the wealth gap, racism, misogyny, homophobia and so on. Or lack of access to healthcare, education, how many Americans are living in poverty. 1/2
DefinitelyaHumanNotanAlien
Once you account for equality and quality of life, it becomes pretty clear that Americans have a very poor standard of living. Few would be willing to trade their house, free education and free healthcare for a trailer, three jobs, expensive health insurance and an early grave. 2/2
freshthrowaway1138
I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's really wrong. And no, I'm not going off of simple economics. Granted, I've only watched the docs and read a few articles; but no, they do not have better access to edu, housing, and food. They do have sortof better healthcare, but that's only by personal cost since many of the more advanced procedures involve flying back to the EU.
It is an incredibly rural territory. It isn't some utopian nordic country. This isn't Denmark./
freshthrowaway1138
/It is not a wealthy EU country. It is isolated with a very limited access to resources, jobs, and quality housing. It survives on aid packages and has 17% poverty rate. They lack proper roads and sanitation. And it is a very rural area, so if you think that they don't have all the social issues of racism, homophobia, and the rest, then you're living in a dreamland.
And this isn't even getting into the absolute disaster that comes from Climate Change impacts. It's going to get worse for them.
freshthrowaway1138
//Just to add context, I grew up in Alaska. Those people who lived above the Arctic Circle lived tough lives. Sometimes it would look like they had what they needed, but when groups would look closer, it would become quite apparent that life was much worse. This is what it looks like watching Greenland documentaries and reading their statistics.
Are you from Greenland or ever looked into Arctic living standards?
badgerZ505
No but that doesn't mean we can make it better. I thought that the whole MAGGOT agenda was America first.
jeejeejerrycotton
Yeah but he wouldn't actually pay them anything. His modus operandi has always been to bever honour any deals or agreements with anyone.
livingonagiantfireball
Why cant greenland expropriate american military base from its soil, like build a concrete wall around the military base and put mines underwater near the base.
Pishposhbingbong
even if they actually paid it, why would they want 10k yearly if one of the things they'd have to give up is universal healthcare?
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
Just like Musk, overpromise and never deliver
ToSisPoS
And attack his critics when called on it. Like any abusive relationship.
Solkin
It is as simple as the president dosn't have control of the government's money. All those buyout deals they offered federal employees didn't get paid out because Trump literally can't, Congress controls the purse any offer of money from trump is a scam or a grift
jeejeejerrycotton
I was not talking about his political career.
Solkin
Oh lord yeah that too, fucker hates paying people and weasles out whenever possible
Subtilico
For a moment there I wondered what 'bever honour' was. :þ
ToSisPoS
Contrary to popular belief, a beaver will not bite off his nuts to distract a predator.
barfpony