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#OrlandoStrong
pulse
never_forget
orlando_strong
orlandostrong
yourboyjake
Tldr?
FarQuad
The detective recounting the scene of hearing nothing but cellphones going off with text messaage of "are you ok" still haunts me.
inquirerofquantumstuff
That was already 5 years ago!?!? Damn, it feels like it was only like a year or two ago
HazyKitten
I remember the story of a Mom that had beaten cancer and was there and ended up saving her son’s life but losing hers. Hurts my heart.
AMatureTwink
Victims. Not angels.
Betterbecauseofthem
They were people at a bar bumping and grinding while drunk. Come on
skapanda616
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/06/03/desantis-criticized-for-lgbtq-vetoes/
practicaljester
Y’all, I get it. Kinda rolling my eyes at ‘angels’ too. But, they’re dead and we’re not. I think we can cut some slack for those grieving.
eyesbetterblknd
I grew up in Orlando. Been there many times w/ my bff. I thought he went there that night. I tried all night to find him. He didn't go. But
My friend's sister did. One of the worst nights of my life. I still have no words. Only tears.
HaplotypeX
Idk guys. I would cry out loud if i saw a poster calling my dead child "angel".
gohomebaby
Ok just because you die you become an angel? Some people are assholes!
Spidermattman
Walking thru the memorial they currently have set up broke me into tiny pieces. What a horrible tragedy.
neeners
There are infinite uses of the term “angel” in our culture, all of which are complimentary. Get over yourself.
TheFeralDog
None of which fit this use. Get over it you're wrong
what a hill to die on
I mean you're the one going against the normal opinion... So not sure you aren't looking in the mirror
farfie
When grammar and semantics is more important than having a heart.
There’s no down side to being nice to people, even if it’s not delivered perfectly. It’s a sentiment.
sysaphiswaits
Whelp, now I’m gonna be sad all day.
WeShareTheSameSpace
"So what you're saying is that I need to cut funds to mental health and ban trans kids from athletics by checking their genitals?" Desantis
VitaminJay
"If you're not a cash-carrying tourist who's white and Republican, if you could go ahead and die, that'd be great." --Desantis
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Lark2370
@Sarah
LrrrRulerofThePlanetOmicronPerseiVIII
Try “report comment” instead
WarlockWithNoPatron
Hormones do though. And emotions, like many other factors do change hormones.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Since we're pretending to care about empiricism, cite me data showing trans people are causing harassment issues on bathrooms and
Winning disproportionate amounts of sports. Until you can download do so fuck off pretending to care about facts.
alsoAzrael
We ALL know that you don't actually know anything about this subject. You can stop pretending to be an expert.
Araknifobia
My friend doesn't know what PULSE is....
Bestiarium
The name of a nightclub where a shooter murdered a group of people several years ago
Ohhh yeah I remember that story. That was a very sad day indeed
sauceonthesideplease
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting
Renza0
What happened on that date?
Saric92
Omar Mateen ran into Pulse Night Club and shot and killed 49 people, noted above in the OP.
ty for the answer, and fuck that guy in particular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting
fluffy4000
The people in the twin towers on 9/11 weren't patriots. These people weren't angels. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
xyxyxyxy31
erischilde
Why is this such a popular talking point? Seen a few of this posted. Dead = angel (for believers fine). Reminds me of people mis-/1
Construing George Floyd's name being used as "making a criminal into a hero/idol!" bad faith bs. /2
Norua
For believers, humans don't become angels in heaven. Angels and humans are different creations. Not to mention, not every dead go to heaven.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
I think they meant that they've gone beyond, to whatever afterlife may await them, aka "angels".
That's not what angels are. I don't think any religion believes that
joot
Ah, I see the problem. You’re using the word to mean something it doesn’t.
You.... what? Where... what??
Jumbudge
To you? Like I personally don't use the word angel to describe someone passed on but it's not terribly uncommon, right?
Boksha
Can't say I've ever heard it used that way before, but it's listed in the dictionary, so you're probably right. Still weird IMO.
ILikeQuiteHeavyMetal
Kinda a jerk move to say that if the individuals who died didn't believe it though?
Do you know that none of them did?
;-)
Burden of proof is on the protagonist
I'm not the one making a well meaning post into an argument about Atheism. You claimed they didn't. Prove it.
dontmakemeanoptimist
So pardon my ignorance, a lot of the surnames are Latino. Is that typical of Orlando, or just the club? Just a curious Aussie…
Ubache
The club was hosting a latin night, so most of the people there were of Hispanic background.
lovethatfame
It was Latino Night at the club
V1K1NGFVNERAL
It's typical in the United States.
kittenchow
It was Latino night
thatsbadmmkay
Florida has a big Hispanic population from cuba and South and central america.
BeardsAreMySpiritAnimal
Central Florida has a huge Latino populace. White guy from central Florida who has a love for the Latino women.
NeteaPolyDruidMom
Typical of Orlando and Florida area in general. Our population is actually more Hispanic than most people want to admit
TerraAlexstrasza
It was the specific night. Different clubs have themed nights regularly.
bigkingdingaling
Typical of the state
rowdypup
Typical for everything but the panhandle. You won’t see that collection of names in Panama City, or Pensacola.
True. But does FL claim the panhandle and vice versa?
Seriously, Florida could be two states. The dynamic of the Panhandle is so different than the big cities.
DYLANLEE79
As a gay man, "Angels" really? They were people like the rest of us and that should be enough.
insomniac24x7
DeSantis doesn’t remember
nyarlathotep777
“Martyrs” would be a good word here, too - they didn’t intend to die for their beliefs, but they did.
DVSBSTrD
Well if they weren't before the shooting, they're angels now.
sha13
It's that a religious objection?
Someshithead241
Is it my fault I want to be more like Puri Puri?
PoppySiddal
Maybe OP believes that they’re angels up in Heaven now? That doesn’t mean they weren’t human beings who died.
JohnMillswantstoupvote
Yea I was gonna say they were at a night club not volunteering at a homeless shelter. Terrible loss but not going to say angels
SelfconsciouslyConfident
Well I think Fruity just didn’t have the same ring to it
Orcussy
Y'all get upset over everything
AFistfulOfDollHairs
Yeah, angels would be hella terrifying with all their rings, eyes and wings.
NaranjaSopa
That's only one type of angel, tho. Most are more normal-wimged-human looking, but there is a type with four heads and eight wings>
Of course, those four heads are one each of human, ox, eagle, and lion. Those are the seraphim, the ones you mentioned are ophanim.
Zyiadem
Face it, they all look like lovecraftian nightmares unless they are being really kind to your frail human consiousness.
Draig1
And one like several rings all mixed up.
oldpotatoes
Angels are just gyrotourbillons
?1
sturmhauke
bdog123455
I'd pick the top left one if I get to choose what I'm looking like
CthulhuLemon
Ugh, “Why do we eulogize people who weren’t always good.” People memorialize and grieve in their own ways. “Angels” is a word some use.
FiveShiftOne
Why is this getting downvoted? Responding to a memorial with sneering is a dick move for ANY reason.
Sadly, it’s one of Imgur’s let’s be assholes days. Overall user opinion vacillates wildly depending on who is online.
hotroddadbod
When tots die they become angels
OverthoughtUnderedited
And Jerry Orbach's eyes only go to deserving organ transplant recipients
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
Tater or Scott's?
dergage
Guys this is from a John Mulaney bit about the new York post.
idklolwut12
Who tf says tots except Nancy Grace
hardlyfatal
The New York Post, according to John Mulaney.
venomlash
There are no children, only angels who haven't died yet.
PlagueRoot
Nowhere in the bible does it say when people die they become angels. It says 'The dead are conscious of nothing at all.' Ecc 9:5
melveys
I’m not up to date on my bible studies but Ecclesiastes is Old Testament right? Heaven only opened up in the New Testament right?
Ludwigofthepotatoppl
Nah, heaven & hell are still closed. The dead are in storage foe judgement day.
Ugh for*
williamrichards
It's a John Mulaney reference
That guy's a bozo!
Allow me to clarify. In some religions they believe when people die, they become angels in heaven. Especially regular people. Its comforting
Ozzy98
There's no abrahamic religion I know of where this is supposed to happen, but people think it does for them.The dead live with angels is all
NewtonWren
Actually something similar is mentioned in the bible, at least in the damnable protestant ones.
ScaryTransgenderPersonInTheRestroom
It’s comforting to some, annoying to others.
But why
MylundTheMad
Have you read the authentic old-testament descriptions of angels? They’re terrifying. Renaissance guys decided new way was easier to paint
They think theyre calling them 7 winged eyeball monsters?
Because not everyone has the same belief systems.
But why get upset if someone calls someone an angel?
BonesMaloneAndTheSpookyBoys
They're dead now, so maybe that's what OP meant. Angel's in heaven, etc
LicensedAdHominem
Pretty obviously, yeah
icantheicanoclast
Just my own perspective, if I was one of those names, I'd be pretty passed if someone called me an angel. I'm a human being, thats it.
Youre kinda saying youd be pissed if people weren't atheistic about your death. Let it go.
Please do not assume how others believe in life and death based on your own experiences. Let it go.
I'm not entirely sure who this directed at, but if it is too me, again, im an atheist. I would like that respected.
No, fuck you, people don't get to decide what to call just because. Im an atheist and I would like to have that respected. 1/
If someone wants to be called an angel, hood for them, thats their right. I dont want to be called that.
You dont want to be able to fly around and haunt whoever you want? I think they have superhuman strength and can reanimate too.
DeliciousMeatCurtains
I’d sure as fuck haunt Ron DeSantis
darinmagnet
You mean ghosts?!
applesforjuice
Angels aren't dead humans
I'm religious.
UncleCeiling
I dunno, when I die I wouldn't mind being a flaming wheel surrounded by floating eyes or whatever. Sounds chill.
DetectiveGaff
Nor are they real, period. Personally I'd like to become Angimon but I'm not holding my breath
It's a figure of speech now
ordomalleus61337
He's right it is
That's something people skip over. That and thinking Satan is supposed to rule hell are kinda major oppsies.
Kakakarrakeek
Is Satan more like Hades or what?
MoiraBaird
From what I understand he's supposed to just be the most infamous prisoner who is trying to gather as many inmates as he can.
hoshanabanana
You can't apply logical rules to human attempts to reconcile terror and death.
Skizzlesnap
Or more broadly, you can’t apply logical rules to religion in general.
Oteneo
that sentence is two words too long
TyRo012
Angels humans
What are they?
They are a separate race that serves God. Common theory is that they worshipped Him but could see his works and power so he created humans 1
Because humans can't see His power, and aren't cowed into believing in Him or only believe because they've seen His power. 2
JokeDestroyer
This is the internet, you're either a Nazi or a Saint, there is no in between.
Algebraicrhombus
There's between the sheets, and some people are demons.
That being said, people who die innocently, doing nothing but living their best lives deserve to be remembered positively.
asm80dfa8sdfj
Don't forget about the battle between Saint Nazi and the Nazi saints.
TheSpectrumRabbit
Whatever, Nazi. (jk)
ToastedVanilla
It is the points which dictate our righteousness.
Ladris
reload2456
Oh fuck. I'm pretty sure I'm not a saint and I'm gonna look fucking ridiculous in klan robes and I can't afford Hugo Boss.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
What about the guy who killed Hitler, which is he?
ProphetofEntropy
he was a literal hitler! major Dbag, was nice to dogs though...
On the one hand, Mass murdering megalomaniac. On the other, vegetarian....
people are complex, and flavorful - Jeff D
HellMutt
I love that guy! The guy that killed Hitler is my hero!
Markuspsyches
Equal to Mother Teresa, a saint yet still an evil vile human being.
TeddyBearHeaven
A nazi
Yep. You'd think more people would have got that
yourboyjake
Tldr?
FarQuad
The detective recounting the scene of hearing nothing but cellphones going off with text messaage of "are you ok" still haunts me.
inquirerofquantumstuff
That was already 5 years ago!?!? Damn, it feels like it was only like a year or two ago
HazyKitten
I remember the story of a Mom that had beaten cancer and was there and ended up saving her son’s life but losing hers. Hurts my heart.
AMatureTwink
Victims. Not angels.
Betterbecauseofthem
They were people at a bar bumping and grinding while drunk. Come on
skapanda616
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/06/03/desantis-criticized-for-lgbtq-vetoes/
practicaljester
Y’all, I get it. Kinda rolling my eyes at ‘angels’ too. But, they’re dead and we’re not. I think we can cut some slack for those grieving.
eyesbetterblknd
I grew up in Orlando. Been there many times w/ my bff. I thought he went there that night. I tried all night to find him. He didn't go. But
eyesbetterblknd
My friend's sister did. One of the worst nights of my life. I still have no words. Only tears.
HaplotypeX
Idk guys. I would cry out loud if i saw a poster calling my dead child "angel".
gohomebaby
Ok just because you die you become an angel? Some people are assholes!
Spidermattman
Walking thru the memorial they currently have set up broke me into tiny pieces. What a horrible tragedy.
neeners
There are infinite uses of the term “angel” in our culture, all of which are complimentary. Get over yourself.
TheFeralDog
None of which fit this use. Get over it you're wrong
neeners
what a hill to die on
TheFeralDog
I mean you're the one going against the normal opinion... So not sure you aren't looking in the mirror
farfie
When grammar and semantics is more important than having a heart.
neeners
There’s no down side to being nice to people, even if it’s not delivered perfectly. It’s a sentiment.
sysaphiswaits
Whelp, now I’m gonna be sad all day.
WeShareTheSameSpace
"So what you're saying is that I need to cut funds to mental health and ban trans kids from athletics by checking their genitals?" Desantis
VitaminJay
"If you're not a cash-carrying tourist who's white and Republican, if you could go ahead and die, that'd be great." --Desantis
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[deleted]
Lark2370
@Sarah
LrrrRulerofThePlanetOmicronPerseiVIII
Try “report comment” instead
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[deleted]
WarlockWithNoPatron
Hormones do though. And emotions, like many other factors do change hormones.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Since we're pretending to care about empiricism, cite me data showing trans people are causing harassment issues on bathrooms and
HolyCringeLordBatman
Winning disproportionate amounts of sports. Until you can download do so fuck off pretending to care about facts.
alsoAzrael
We ALL know that you don't actually know anything about this subject. You can stop pretending to be an expert.
Araknifobia
My friend doesn't know what PULSE is....
Bestiarium
The name of a nightclub where a shooter murdered a group of people several years ago
Araknifobia
Ohhh yeah I remember that story. That was a very sad day indeed
sauceonthesideplease
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting
Renza0
What happened on that date?
Saric92
Omar Mateen ran into Pulse Night Club and shot and killed 49 people, noted above in the OP.
Renza0
ty for the answer, and fuck that guy in particular.
Saric92
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting
fluffy4000
The people in the twin towers on 9/11 weren't patriots. These people weren't angels. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
xyxyxyxy31
erischilde
Why is this such a popular talking point? Seen a few of this posted. Dead = angel (for believers fine). Reminds me of people mis-/1
erischilde
Construing George Floyd's name being used as "making a criminal into a hero/idol!" bad faith bs. /2
Norua
For believers, humans don't become angels in heaven. Angels and humans are different creations. Not to mention, not every dead go to heaven.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
I think they meant that they've gone beyond, to whatever afterlife may await them, aka "angels".
TheFeralDog
That's not what angels are. I don't think any religion believes that
joot
Ah, I see the problem. You’re using the word to mean something it doesn’t.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
You.... what? Where... what??
Jumbudge
To you? Like I personally don't use the word angel to describe someone passed on but it's not terribly uncommon, right?
Boksha
Can't say I've ever heard it used that way before, but it's listed in the dictionary, so you're probably right. Still weird IMO.
ILikeQuiteHeavyMetal
Kinda a jerk move to say that if the individuals who died didn't believe it though?
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Do you know that none of them did?
ILikeQuiteHeavyMetal
;-)
ILikeQuiteHeavyMetal
Burden of proof is on the protagonist
Ikwilstroopwaffels
I'm not the one making a well meaning post into an argument about Atheism. You claimed they didn't. Prove it.
dontmakemeanoptimist
So pardon my ignorance, a lot of the surnames are Latino. Is that typical of Orlando, or just the club? Just a curious Aussie…
Ubache
The club was hosting a latin night, so most of the people there were of Hispanic background.
lovethatfame
It was Latino Night at the club
V1K1NGFVNERAL
It's typical in the United States.
kittenchow
It was Latino night
thatsbadmmkay
Florida has a big Hispanic population from cuba and South and central america.
BeardsAreMySpiritAnimal
Central Florida has a huge Latino populace. White guy from central Florida who has a love for the Latino women.
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[deleted]
NeteaPolyDruidMom
Typical of Orlando and Florida area in general. Our population is actually more Hispanic than most people want to admit
TerraAlexstrasza
It was the specific night. Different clubs have themed nights regularly.
bigkingdingaling
Typical of the state
rowdypup
Typical for everything but the panhandle. You won’t see that collection of names in Panama City, or Pensacola.
bigkingdingaling
True. But does FL claim the panhandle and vice versa?
rowdypup
Seriously, Florida could be two states. The dynamic of the Panhandle is so different than the big cities.
DYLANLEE79
As a gay man, "Angels" really? They were people like the rest of us and that should be enough.
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insomniac24x7
DeSantis doesn’t remember
nyarlathotep777
“Martyrs” would be a good word here, too - they didn’t intend to die for their beliefs, but they did.
DVSBSTrD
Well if they weren't before the shooting, they're angels now.
sha13
It's that a religious objection?
Someshithead241
Is it my fault I want to be more like Puri Puri?
PoppySiddal
Maybe OP believes that they’re angels up in Heaven now? That doesn’t mean they weren’t human beings who died.
JohnMillswantstoupvote
Yea I was gonna say they were at a night club not volunteering at a homeless shelter. Terrible loss but not going to say angels
SelfconsciouslyConfident
Well I think Fruity just didn’t have the same ring to it
Orcussy
Y'all get upset over everything
AFistfulOfDollHairs
Yeah, angels would be hella terrifying with all their rings, eyes and wings.
NaranjaSopa
That's only one type of angel, tho. Most are more normal-wimged-human looking, but there is a type with four heads and eight wings>
NaranjaSopa
Of course, those four heads are one each of human, ox, eagle, and lion. Those are the seraphim, the ones you mentioned are ophanim.
Zyiadem
Face it, they all look like lovecraftian nightmares unless they are being really kind to your frail human consiousness.
Draig1
And one like several rings all mixed up.
oldpotatoes
Angels are just gyrotourbillons
DVSBSTrD
sturmhauke
bdog123455
I'd pick the top left one if I get to choose what I'm looking like
CthulhuLemon
Ugh, “Why do we eulogize people who weren’t always good.” People memorialize and grieve in their own ways. “Angels” is a word some use.
FiveShiftOne
Why is this getting downvoted? Responding to a memorial with sneering is a dick move for ANY reason.
CthulhuLemon
Sadly, it’s one of Imgur’s let’s be assholes days. Overall user opinion vacillates wildly depending on who is online.
hotroddadbod
When tots die they become angels
OverthoughtUnderedited
And Jerry Orbach's eyes only go to deserving organ transplant recipients
VidiVeniThenSheLeft
Tater or Scott's?
dergage
Guys this is from a John Mulaney bit about the new York post.
idklolwut12
Who tf says tots except Nancy Grace
hardlyfatal
The New York Post, according to John Mulaney.
venomlash
There are no children, only angels who haven't died yet.
PlagueRoot
Nowhere in the bible does it say when people die they become angels. It says 'The dead are conscious of nothing at all.' Ecc 9:5
melveys
I’m not up to date on my bible studies but Ecclesiastes is Old Testament right? Heaven only opened up in the New Testament right?
Ludwigofthepotatoppl
Nah, heaven & hell are still closed. The dead are in storage foe judgement day.
Ludwigofthepotatoppl
Ugh for*
williamrichards
It's a John Mulaney reference
venomlash
That guy's a bozo!
thatsbadmmkay
Allow me to clarify. In some religions they believe when people die, they become angels in heaven. Especially regular people. Its comforting
Ozzy98
There's no abrahamic religion I know of where this is supposed to happen, but people think it does for them.The dead live with angels is all
NewtonWren
Actually something similar is mentioned in the bible, at least in the damnable protestant ones.
ScaryTransgenderPersonInTheRestroom
It’s comforting to some, annoying to others.
thatsbadmmkay
But why
MylundTheMad
Have you read the authentic old-testament descriptions of angels? They’re terrifying. Renaissance guys decided new way was easier to paint
thatsbadmmkay
They think theyre calling them 7 winged eyeball monsters?
ScaryTransgenderPersonInTheRestroom
Because not everyone has the same belief systems.
thatsbadmmkay
But why get upset if someone calls someone an angel?
BonesMaloneAndTheSpookyBoys
They're dead now, so maybe that's what OP meant. Angel's in heaven, etc
LicensedAdHominem
Pretty obviously, yeah
icantheicanoclast
Just my own perspective, if I was one of those names, I'd be pretty passed if someone called me an angel. I'm a human being, thats it.
thatsbadmmkay
Youre kinda saying youd be pissed if people weren't atheistic about your death. Let it go.
ScaryTransgenderPersonInTheRestroom
Please do not assume how others believe in life and death based on your own experiences. Let it go.
icantheicanoclast
I'm not entirely sure who this directed at, but if it is too me, again, im an atheist. I would like that respected.
icantheicanoclast
No, fuck you, people don't get to decide what to call just because. Im an atheist and I would like to have that respected. 1/
icantheicanoclast
If someone wants to be called an angel, hood for them, thats their right. I dont want to be called that.
oldpotatoes
You dont want to be able to fly around and haunt whoever you want? I think they have superhuman strength and can reanimate too.
DeliciousMeatCurtains
I’d sure as fuck haunt Ron DeSantis
darinmagnet
You mean ghosts?!
applesforjuice
Angels aren't dead humans
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[deleted]
applesforjuice
I'm religious.
UncleCeiling
I dunno, when I die I wouldn't mind being a flaming wheel surrounded by floating eyes or whatever. Sounds chill.
DetectiveGaff
Nor are they real, period. Personally I'd like to become Angimon but I'm not holding my breath
oldpotatoes
It's a figure of speech now
ordomalleus61337
He's right it is
Ozzy98
That's something people skip over. That and thinking Satan is supposed to rule hell are kinda major oppsies.
Kakakarrakeek
Is Satan more like Hades or what?
MoiraBaird
From what I understand he's supposed to just be the most infamous prisoner who is trying to gather as many inmates as he can.
hoshanabanana
You can't apply logical rules to human attempts to reconcile terror and death.
Skizzlesnap
Or more broadly, you can’t apply logical rules to religion in general.
Oteneo
that sentence is two words too long
TyRo012
Angels humans
sha13
What are they?
applesforjuice
They are a separate race that serves God. Common theory is that they worshipped Him but could see his works and power so he created humans 1
applesforjuice
Because humans can't see His power, and aren't cowed into believing in Him or only believe because they've seen His power. 2
JokeDestroyer
This is the internet, you're either a Nazi or a Saint, there is no in between.
Algebraicrhombus
There's between the sheets, and some people are demons.
Algebraicrhombus
That being said, people who die innocently, doing nothing but living their best lives deserve to be remembered positively.
asm80dfa8sdfj
Don't forget about the battle between Saint Nazi and the Nazi saints.
TheSpectrumRabbit
Whatever, Nazi. (jk)
ToastedVanilla
It is the points which dictate our righteousness.
Ladris
reload2456
Oh fuck. I'm pretty sure I'm not a saint and I'm gonna look fucking ridiculous in klan robes and I can't afford Hugo Boss.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
What about the guy who killed Hitler, which is he?
ProphetofEntropy
he was a literal hitler! major Dbag, was nice to dogs though...
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
On the one hand, Mass murdering megalomaniac. On the other, vegetarian....
ProphetofEntropy
people are complex, and flavorful - Jeff D
HellMutt
I love that guy! The guy that killed Hitler is my hero!
Markuspsyches
Equal to Mother Teresa, a saint yet still an evil vile human being.
TeddyBearHeaven
A nazi
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Yep. You'd think more people would have got that