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Not my OC.
(originally posted by @tomascco on 2023-03-27 23:09:28)
Mar 27, 2024 2:00 AM
ThisTimeLastYear
72600
1276
46
Not my OC.
(originally posted by @tomascco on 2023-03-27 23:09:28)
JamesTDG
Is there one with more pixels?
chaosundivided
C110PR
dixxienormus
Yes, dead kids.
Iwasoutedbyatroll
So thoughts and prayers do penetrate heaven! Thanks for clarifying
LespritDeLescalier22
PPAYERS
demosteness
I thought it was about Gaza before noticing the writing in the bag
Exyr
Did the bot start to add "not my oc"? Or was that just in the post?
HeresYourSauce
It was in the post. /gallery/5A7kdLX "Original" is here
Exyr
Oh that sucks...I thought the bot was calling its stuff out now. That would be nice.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Given it always says "originally posted by x" and gives the link to the original in the comments. It already acknowledges it's not OC.
kriswinters
Frakk me. I thought that there was another shooting. Burn in Hell, @thistimelastyear.
Targe0
Sadly there normally is in the US now, at least one a week if not more, most of the time. So much so they are not really getting as much news coverage anymore, because it's just normal now there.
HeresYourSauce
There was. It's rare we go a day without a mass shooting.
KittyKlimt6
I'll say it again: a gun itself doesn't shoot noone without a person pulling the trigger. These persons are too often male. Don't get me wrong, I'm from Europe and strict gun laws work very well. But violence against women also happens with knifes & fists, verbally, digital, economic. It will not end until we start working on unconscious biases and gender stereotypes. Btw this will also stop fathers beating sons or each other. We all suffer from this.
Fedotia
Dude, whataboutism was already stale in 2016.
DeDutchDudeDatDoes
A gun that 'does not shoot no one' actually shoots someone.
Jinxer13
The disposition for violence is present across all civilizations at all times. The difference is that one person has the firepower to maximize damage. We can say "let's fix humanity and then no one will pull the trigger" but that's a nirvana fallacy akin to the republicans saying "it's not a gun issue , it's a mental health issue". Well you cannot immediately fix angry men or ban mental illness, you can immediately ban guns to minimize damage. One solution is pragmatic and immediate, saves kids
KittyKlimt6
I am with you. As I said gun laws work pretty well. I also am fully aware of the difference of short- and longterm timing. I think you're right about the disposition, but I want to highlight the comprehensive data on physical violence segregated by gender. This IS a gender issue and it is underlying not only school shootings, but also domestic violence, rapes, femicide etc. It is a root cause and it can be changed quite easily, if all would agree on it. Alas many don't.
ConfederacyOfDunces
It's true that a gun by itself is inert, and requires a person to pull the trigger. It's also true that a person without a gun can't shoot people else. Controlling access to guns makes more sense than ... what? ... banning people?
If we regulate access to guns now, mass shootings become less frequent. THEN we can start trying to fix the mental health crisis that's going so largely untreated today.
Problem is saying "don't regulate guns," then doing nothing at all. That's us today.
lightfantasticem172
The way the bearded guy is showing nothing but indifference is both gross and somehow so relevant. Gross because it doesn't seem like they care, and relevant because that's how people in politics seem to react when this happens.
FanOfSmaug
Then again... i think he saw some pretty fucked up shit, back in the day. As history has proven. So, he might think they go it good with just guns.
textilelover
They seemed sad and baffled by it, to me.
FanOfSmaug
Raised eyebrows, hand at mouth, seems pretty shocked to me. But the quality is shit, so i might be wrong.
johnvictor
Also it's a political cartoon usually made within hours of an event happening of significance. It's not like the artist had a week to work on it so somethings might not look right or come off the wrong way.
LiterallyAWizard
It took me a moment to realize he was not, in fact, drawing from a cigarette. Seemed appropriate to me that the situation would be so out of control it would drive an angel to smoke.
davefleming19903
Nah, that's a cigarette and you're correct.
davefleming19903
*That correct punctuation on the internet was to say "theirs nothing left to say"
MrChadH
The Pro-Life Party
HeresYourSauce
Pro-birth, but only sometimes.
JamesTDG
Pro-birth-but-only-for-others
paynoattentiontousernames
That's the one
Targe0
Pro-Birth-For-The-Poor-Pro-Choice-For-The-Rich
paynoattentiontousernames
Pro-whatever-that-allows-us-to-control-the-ones-we-dont-like
testzero
This is how well Thoughts and Prayers stop bullets
lurkertron5000
That's some clean glass. Also, if you need to fear bullets everywhere you go, you're either doing something very wrong, or something very right. Some popes are better than others, but even then, the Catholic Church is doing the former
ricpaul
Given the guys on the back seem to wrap their hands around the tubes, Im wondering if there IS glas in it... So I'll add this one too:
HP440MAG
he obviously wasn't in America in the first picture. /s
evolution4407
It's sad that despite this being posted by @ThisTimeLastYear, I have no idea which school shooting this was actually in reference to. We have so many in this country that the date 2023-03-26 is meaningless.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
Support groups for victims of school shootings get new members almost daily.
Targe0
I also think it might be older than the post they are linking as the original.
TheFastpaws
My mental health already has issues. Due to some of my conditions which literally result in higher friggin empathy. I wish I didn't have it. I hate caring. It only makes you sad.
Brainzaps
Sincere question: What is it, that is so bad for students that they are motivated to end their live in a school shooting? What horrible things must have happened for them? And how can it be so often and „everywhere“ in the US? Yes gun control! But also yes school improvement I guess?! I know of mobbing as a factor, this can’t be the main reason… I was mobbed, and I also hated specific others.. but to end everything at that age? I can’t grasp how bad US schools have to be for such extrem actions
QueLinda1205
I legitimately believe that a huge contributing factor is all the media coverage we've given every school shooting since Columbine. It's only very recently that there's been a shift in how they're reported, but kids have been growing up with this reality for 25 years now. Combine that with the growing inaccessibility of mental healthcare and easier access to guns, it's not hard to see how a troubled kid could come to the conclusion that a school shooting is just "what you do" in their situation.
Cebrail
A friend of mine lives in the US in Texas, has a 13 year old daughter. She wants to get her some mental health counselling, not for anything as severe as these kids goes through, just dealing with bullying and teenage life really. It would cost her 2500$ for a few months worth + 680$ even after insurance takes over.
And people wonder why troubled teens in the US have an easier time getting a gun than getting help
Brainzaps
Sure the type of weapon matters, and the ease of accessibility. But even though I had a screwdriver in my pocket as a self-defense, I didn’t stab this fucking bully… the accessibility of a weapon is an enabler, the weapon type is a impact factor of functionality to fulfill „the plan“, BUT the motivation to do it is the only critical factor! Everyone can build bombs for example and yet such attacks are very rarely..
ThrowAwayAcct0000
A gun is cheaper and easier to get access to than a therapist.
HeresYourSauce
It's not just school shootings. It's everywhere. Guns are the leading cause of death for children and some people think the solution is more guns.
drowninginthesouth
Thinking is not strong with that crowd.
EdmundandHarald365
*in the US.
BeaverOnFire
Ya! Shot the guns, and they can't kill anyone. It's the only solution!
kittyanya
I worked at a gun counter. I got aimed at (Flagging) all the time by people who had NO idea how to handle a gun. But they could buy them.
doobiedoobop
I told a gun nut friend his 2a rants remind me of far left communists who insist that communism works they're just not doing it hard enough
Idontneedrealfacts
I mean, less children would help too, harder to hit if they were more spread out. Have we tried making kids illegal? Dont downvote me when I am right.
pareidoliaperson
CAUGH*What ya mean everywhere? Not in Europe bud*COUGH*
HeresYourSauce
Yes. It's strongly implied. I thought about adding it, found it clunky and figured "nah people will get it" the US *is* the only county we could be talking about here.
daromander
Does that have to do with the success of modern medicine more than the increase of gun deaths? Children in the US aren't dying from preventable diseases very often
HeresYourSauce
No. It's guns increasing. They did take the lead sooner because cars have become safer. Medicine has been getting much better, but for a child 1-19 death by illness was already a small risk, so even cutting the risk in half would be hard to see in comparison.
HeresYourSauce
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10042524/
Shaodyn
To hear them tell it, taking even one gun away from one person would be such horrible socialism and/or abuse of authority that nothing would ever get done ever again. We'd be so sad at the loss of freedom that we'd just sit in our houses crying all day.
Shaodyn
"I can't own 500 guns! WWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!" - everyone, all the time
trialrunner1520
Maybe not more guns is the answer, but maybe more education on gun handling and safety.
HeresYourSauce
I believe (and I'm not looking this up right now it's nearly 1am, I should be asleep) Switzerland has more guns per capita than us. Safely locking away the guns when not in use is a good start. I'd also suggest keeping ammo and guns in separate locations. From there guided training for anyone who wants to be around them. License their use like cars.
beaubrent
…in the UsA, not “everywhere”
16bitStarbuck
No fucking shit.
HeresYourSauce
that's implied. Like I was thinking of adding it, but figured "nah, people will know"
Shmick
Yeah tbh you guys are having a bit of a bad time
demosteness
Palestina takes the lead, 16.000+ kids in just a few months. And counting.
Toqom
My brother married a cult member in a Lutheran church. He now has a ton of guns, 9 kids and sexist as hell. He's no longer my brother, just a drone of insanity trying to sell me a gun because, "how else will you kill someone if you don't have a gun?" He believes he has to outbreed the Muslims and arm himself for a holy war coming. Religion is literally building an army armed nutjobs
PlausibleLies
tFor a legitimate source of this horrifying statistic, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10042524/ has data up to 2020, at which point firearms overtook vehicular collisions as the leading cause.
MisterLemons
"Well if more good guys had guns..."
News flash: a good guy doesn't shoot first. The police in Uvalde were "good guys with guns" that accomplished nothing at all because they remembered that bullets fly both ways but somehow removing the bullets as a common factor makes YOU the idiot...
SoManyWhales2
There's no such thing as a good guy with a gun, same as there's no such thing as a good guy driving drunk. Doing either one automatically makes you a bad guy endangering peoples' lives needlessly.
Fedotia
The "good guy with a gun" argument was already down after Parkland School's armed security ran away at the sound of gunshots. Uvalde was the last nail in its coffin.
CaptainKipup
You’re only a good guy with a gun until you’re the bad guy with a gun. That dude that shot up a concert with his various rifles a while back was a licensed, law abiding gun owner… until his very last day of being a gun owner.
hellfirerains
The police? Good guys? Come on now
NothingPrince
they used to say Arm the teacher. now I heard a politician say arm the students.
kayakninjas
Since I have a Concealed Carry permit, I can legally carry a firearm on my college campus. They're already arming the students.
SirenBrick
Statistically children under 12 are the most common shooters already, with 16-19 being the second highest age group. The children ARE already armed.
NothingPrince
Under 12 WTF
LicensedAdHominem
Go combat a bad children with guns, we need more good children with guns
LicensedAdHominem
*To combat bad children 💀
OliverOtter
That's not accurate. The leading cause of death for children is old age. VERY few of them die of anything as children. But of those who do, the leading cause of death is birth defects. To generate the fake statistic "guns are the leading cause of death for children" they re-define children as older than 1, to eliminate most of the birth defects without saying what they're doing is specifically eliminating the main cause of childhood mortality to make guns seem like a bigger deal. (1/n)
HeresYourSauce
It's the international standard for these measurements, and has been for years. It's not getting redefined, and no other country has near the problems we have.
OliverOtter
Then, they aggregate everyone else ages 1-18 like there's no difference between a man who can vote and a toddler who can't control his bowels or bladder yet. Real statistic: childhood mortality among school-aged children is TINY, and the main cause varies. Below age 5, drowning is #1. Ages 5-14, cancer. Ages 15-18, finally, guns. But almost entirely among gang members. Out of the very few children who die of anything but birth defects, gang wars among older teens are the main cause. (2/2)
LoudBirb
Ages 15-18 is still children, and them dying of gun fire in gang wars is still a huge problem that's mostly fueled by permissive gun laws that allow fuckheads to buy guns, get them stolen out of their car, then go and buy more guns that they then keep leaving unsecured. If the problem is teens shooting each other, the source of that problem is mostly irresponsible gun owners: https://everytownresearch.org/gun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns/
OliverOtter
Are you blind or just illiterate? Yes, if you overdefine the problem (...the largest source of *stolen* guns...) then obviously you're going to find stolen guns come from theft. Aside from the glaring methodological problems with the article, the source of the problem is restrictions on concealed carry. Why are guns in cars to be stolen? Which gun owner do you think protects him/herself by leaving the gun in an unattended car? Wouldn't it be better if the gun accompanied its lawful owner?
LoudBirb
Ooooo, spicy! Apologies if I hit a nerve, but you seemed thick skinned and informed, so I figured you could take a counterargument without losing your shit. And those guns aren't much protection if they get left into the car, are they? If you're not going to carry it with you, leave it at home. And your logic about the source of the problem doesn't jive with the fact that gun thefts and violence are highest in states with the loosest gun restrictions.
hellfirerains
Jeez, people really hate the truth when it doesn't support their views
DocWats
And when they don't provide any sources to their claim. There fixed that for you. As for their birth defect point, these deaths are not preventable. Firearm deaths are. It's ignorant, at best, to compare them equally.
hellfirerains
Okie dokie buddy. You're right, good job
OliverOtter
You mean like the sources OP didn't cite for the false statistic of guns being #1. Or is it only the facts you don't like that have to cite sources? Look at their sources. You can see straight off the bat that THEIR sources are the ones that define children as 1 and up; you don't even need to see my sources to see I'm telling the truth. (Mine are just the CDC and FBI anyway; look them up yourself.)
NotSomoneElse68
There are twice as many suicides than homicides by gun each year. If you own a gun - if you're male the person most likely to kill you is yourself, if you're female it's your partner. Even if you have a gun and your opponent doesn't, you're still more likely to be shot (always at least one gun in the fight). Just owning a gun makes you more likely to be shot, even by yourself - on accident. And just your general death rate goes up.
SirenBrick
They also classify toddlers shooting themselves with guns as suicides rather than as accidental firearm deaths for some reason. And the concerning thing is the average age of a shooter in the USA is under 12 years old thanks to self inflicted gun injuries and unattended minors shooting someone else (Usually a gun owning parent or sibling). The second largest group is under 19 year old shooting up schools.
EmptyHouseBurglar
What? I work with my states violent death registry as an epidemiologist with a PhD. Can I get a citation for "toddlers shooting themselves is classified as suicide" please? Cuz.... I mean I can go open every firearm in death in my state right now and I don't think that's CDC or vital records guidance at all.
EmptyHouseBurglar
I mean, I always appreciate more attention to him violence, so thanks for your comment, but that part is super confusing to me. Example, of dozens I could give: https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-015-0057-0
UsuallySpecial
“For some reason” indeed. That’s good people trying to get the deaths into the stats when they’re not allowed to classify them correctly due to politics.
HappinessOnTap
I was ready to call bullshit in that statistic, but I looked it up. Holy shit… you’re right, and that’s a bit shocking. Like… I know guns are a huge problem here. But THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN?! This is fucking insanity.
Targe0
Hate to tell you it's also been like that for a number of years now. And it's only gotten worse since it first took number one.
DrKleiner007
Luckily, that's just in the US. And they don't seem to care, otherwise, they would have voted for change a looooong time ago... /s
Zamm005
Money money money (ah-ha) must be funny (ah-ha) in a rich man's world!
HeresYourSauce
I wish you would. I want to be wrong.
shakefu
Won’t someone think of the poor gun manufacturer’s profit margins?
Mithi
I do. 7.62mm at a time.
AyZeeeeeeee
wast majority of that is gang related
number one cause of death for children sounds horrible because it is
but the statistics involves the youth 15-20 yo who deal drugs, commit crime and shoot each other in gang wars
street crime, gangs and drugs are the root cause here
it is not about uncle random joe has 50 guns and goes on a street shooting school kids randomly now and then
ratfaceddog
Isn’t Random Joe that guy who calls himself a patriot while always threatening to go to war against the US?
Agreement2agree
Not an issue for kids in my country. I wonder what the difference is?
AyZeeeeeeee
Less gang activity in your country?
Agreement2agree
Gun control. It's gun control. It's gun control in every civilized country. It's obvious to everyone everywhere except a select group of idiots in one failed nation. Kind of like the healthcare thing.
ballsoutflyer
It's still guns, asshole.
jamiedBreaker
Got any sources on that? I couldn't find any. Gun-related accidents, drive-bys, and suicide are also things that take children frequently. I could find that. But I couldn't find the "wast majority" being used in gang activity.
Agreement2agree
He means the kids are black, so it doesn't matte
Doonesman
Oh, well if the children are involved in gangs...
AyZeeeeeeee
When somebody got drunk and hit somebody else with a shovel. It is a problem of alcohol, not shovel.
Doonesman
Okay, fine. Even if I concede those are comparable, which they're not, and if alcohol abuse leading to violence was comparable with gang culture, which it isn't, if you had literally hundreds of mass shovellings a year, in the only major country where shovels are so freely available, I'd STILL be in favour of some kind of shovel-control law to stop kids getting shovelled to death.