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darthstormer
What? Fox News getting down on their knees in front of the media conglomerates, opening their mouth and crying "yes daddy please!" Fucking shocking.
ElusiveThing
Bummed about this. Maybe I had read something wrong, but I liked Drew Barrymore. Well, for now that is on pause to say the least.
BlackCats4ever
You cross a Union picket line, you’re a scab. She did.
Rodenbeard
Cancel culture includes strikes now? Weird how the goalposts just don't seem to stop moving for the conservative pants pissing contest, huh?
MoonMoon89
It's Fox News, who'da thunk they would be on the side of big business and rich people against workers and strikers?
Override9636
After the press destroyed Regan, they knew that they needed a puppet in their corner.
redwolf2k
So. Fran Drescher has said that SOME actors are still working and have permission to make productions because it allows journeymen stage hands to still work and higher rates of pay because of the shortage. It's a strategic move to show they're willing to work with the studios, and still are aware of those their strike affects.
AthosUnderPressure
I served her in michigan when they were filming some rollerskate waitress movie that flopped. She didnt look well. That giant pink pig was in our town forever.
AthosUnderPressure
Another note from that filming is i smoked weed with cousin maybe frim arrested development. Aliyah shawkat i think?
Freeflare
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/drew-barrymore-posts-tearful-video-resuming-show-strike-says-nothing-c-rcna105344
HollerinAtTheVoid
So shouldn't we be treating all directors as scabs like this since they profiteer off these people's work and signed a "no strike" clause after they got their guaranteed money?
Leonon
I'd find it acceptable if she did a REALLY bad job as long as the strike continued. Like "Oops, my shoe fell into the machine and now the whole factory is on fire" bad job.
JumpinJoe
Another way to look at this is if they have to or want to scab it means the union efforts are working. Look at Bill Maher. This will take time and the unions will win. A few more months and they won't have anything to put on TV
Ikwilstroopwaffels
Fucking scab. In my hometown that's a brick to the forehead.
KamikazeGerbil101
How did she think this was going to go ?
HuskyPirate
Poor woman's down to her last $125 mil, she needs to pay the rent.
PastureofMuppets
Doesn't matter who
denimdaddy
Always disliked drew and her 'acting'
msdss
How to get everyone to hate you in 1 easy step.
Imalwaysready
Defying Hollywood cancel culture?
OneMoreLime
I’ve seen a bit of her talk show and I’m not convinced writers are involved…
jtdusk
Nepo baby says 'Nah, f*** all those people who have helped make my family famous for the last 100 years.'
illmx
Never really liked her. Then I got married and my sister-in-law reminds me of her. Like her even less now.
barstr7
Oh Fox News, she hasn’t been canceled. YET.
UncleMeaty
If she's not using writers, how is she a scab? How is this different than any other unscripted show?
kuriosly
Now she's the writer, ad-libbing rather than paying someone to tell her what to say like a proper actor!
HonestCommentFarmer
For one, SAG/AFTRA is also striking. Reasonably sure she's a member. For two, she's crossing a picket line to go to work. Assuming she's not a Hollywood Exec (she's not), that makes her, by definition, a scab.
Purresteddevelopment
SAG-AFTRA has said her show is not part of the strike. WGA is though.
sfbiker
Wasn't she forced into it by her own contract with the studio? Her show isn't covered under the SAG strike, but I'm sure her contract with her studio requires her to perform - even SAG agreed that she's not breaking the strike by going on with the show as long as they don't promote struck movies and don't use WGA writers.
Purresteddevelopment
But then what will people freak out about if they don't have the whole story
ZenithQuasar
The controversy is that she's violating WGA strike rules by taking a struck show back into production. https://twitter.com/WGAEast/status/1701005239338549686?s=19
sfbiker
She’s not using writers, the show will be unscripted
ZenithQuasar
No writers? Come on. Even in a pure talk format with no bits, she'll be creating the content. In the announcement of the shows return last week, she literally said "I want to be there to provide what writers do well, which is a way to bring us together or help us make sense of the human experience."
sfbiker
Here's what they said: Noting that the daytime talker has been largely unscripted from the start, the spokesperson added that “no one on our staff will fill a writing position.”
veritas1980
1: she had a grand total of 3 WGA writing staff. It's a talk show, it doesn't really need writers tbh. 2: she's not acting, she's hosting. these are very different things. 3: she is not violating any rules of the strike. 4: she has a ton of crew that have not been paid since April who need to support their families.
ZenithQuasar
She's violating WGA strike rules and crossing a picket line. https://twitter.com/WGAEast/status/1701005239338549686?s=19
veritas1980
that's on the assumption that there is any writing, when there seems to not be. It's a talk show. you just talk and ask questions, get answers. you don't need writers for that. so basically you say fuck all those hundreds of non union people that haven't gotten paid since april because she's not using WGA writers? that's incredibly callous.
Hulser
So, if your business model was once based on writers and you decide to change that businesses model to something that does not require writers, you’re a scab? She’s not hiring non-union writers; she’s trying out, albeit probably temporarily, a different way of doing her show.
wadatahmydamie
She’s a scab because she’s an actress and a writer.
Ikwilstroopwaffels
STFU scab
dontrike
And how will they no longer require writers? You know an AI has to be fed more information, right? Else all it does is copy things and doesn't create anything new.
Hulser
Rich people talking to each other about how fun it is to be rich doesn’t necessarily require writers.
dontrike
And while I agree some are stupid enough to watch shit like that, it will lose general audiences eventually. She will fall on her face just like anyone else trying this.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
So she's getting rid of her union writers to keep the show going? That's a bad look
Hulser
Be that as it may, this doesn't address the question of how, if you change your show to not rely on writing covered by the writer's guild guideline, you quality as a "scab". It may be a bad look and even not good for your Hollywood career, but I'm asking a very narrowly defined question regarding the usage of the term "scab".
Meowsma
Hiring non-union writers is also a way of changing your show to not rely on writing covered by the writers' guild guidelines. The issue is with changing the show to not use union work, not how you do it. You wanna experiment with other ways to produce your show? Do that when there's not an ongoing strike and you won't be labeled a scab.
Hulser
But is that what she's doing, hiring non-union writers to replace union writers? If that's what she's doing, I'd say that's textbook "scab", but I've done some searching, but can't find anything to confirm that. It's been conjecture. I took her statement at face value that she was not going to have any scripted material. If this is not the case, I think it would have been much more productive if people had presented evidence to the contrary rather than things like "STFU scab".
Meowsma
My point was that the means are irrelevant; the ends are where the problem lies. It doesn't matter if she's hiring monkeys to sit at typewriters or completely ad libbing each episode; she's circumventing union writers to produce her show. Again, this is all going on *during a strike*, so she really doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
OddlyPacific
Something is being written and performed and the union is not involved. It is happening because the strike is an opportunity for has-beens to try and make money again. Keep in mind, she is only famous because she made lead males look tall 25 years ago.
Lulabel73
Like her or not she’s been famous since ET. And she was famous for having a crazy mother who would take a child to Club 54 but you might be too young to remember Drew as a child. Also she’s a Barrymore!
OddlyPacific
Nepotism is a powerful tool.
Lulabel73
So now it’s nepotism not only famous for making people look tall? Make up your mind
OddlyPacific
One can be why she’s famous, the other is why she got the gigs.
Hulser
Sentence 1: Incorrect. Nothing is being written. If you disagree, respond with an example. Sentence 2 and 3: Emotional responses to how you feel about DB which is irrelevant to my question.
wadatahmydamie
“I hereby demand examples of a scripted show being written.” Why do trolls always act like they’re entitled to good faith debate when they’ve made no effort to debate in good faith themselves?
thechelonianshelmet
? There's always a degree of scripting with shows, even if it's just a timeline of events, such as opening music/visuals, initial verbiage by host, intro of guest/s, topic/questions, any skit/singer/comedian, etc, & so on, right through to closing up music, etc. Reasons such as staying within time parameters for show, guest slots, etc.
Hulser
Finally! Someone who is actually responding to my question with a logical argument rather than attacks or reflexive downvotes. Anyway, about your response. Taking the "timeline of events" as an example...come on. Really? Is that what people think of when they think "writer"? Is that really covered by the writer's guild? Let's take that to the logical extreme. In corporate America, millions of even timelines where "written" today that were not covered by the writer's guild.
thechelonianshelmet
No, timelines aren't the only thing that people think of re writers, but it is very imporrtant when producing shows, etc, with your corporate timelines comment, it seems that you're looking for ways to undercut writers here, rather than give them their due, I could say something as silly such as, "well 100s of fires wre put out across the world today without the aid of firefighters, so why bother paying for firefighters?" We can all take things to extremes, it's such a petty dodge.
Hulser
What is being written? At least in Bill Maher’s case, there is no opening monolog of pre-written content, just Maher and guests talking.
Hulser
Ah, nice to see people still reflexively downvoting based on an emotional response rather than engaging the actual topic on an intelligent level. Good stuff.
LlamaLlama0
Sometimes, it's just easier to downvote the troll and move on with your day than to engage with someone who obviously has no idea what they are talking about and apparently has zero interest in learning.
Hulser
My original question wasn't a troll and was meant to engage an actual logical conversation. You and others have responded, not with evidence-based counterarguments, but insults, evasions, and downvotes. I can't help it if you are so jaded by the wasteland of online communities, that you don't recognize when someone is actually trying to have an intelligent conversation about a topic that you disagree on.
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Hulser
Have you considered the possibility that we may just have a different perspective one this topic or that I may actually not know something you do? Rather than jumping to the conclusion that I'm being disingenuous, why not approach your response with the assumption that I'm asking honest questions? Sometimes, people are actually not trolling. As for my point about reflexive downvoting, maybe a total of two of all the responses to my comments have proffered an actual counterargument.
ChaosSound
Welcome to the mob mentality, the SJW caste is rife with it, not a unique brain between them, one brain all shared, like a bunch of lemmings. "this person is angry so I am too"
Hulser
I don't think this phenomenon is specific to any political ideology. I've seen comments from many different viewpoints do the same thing, namely respond to an honest question about a narrow question of semantics with irrelevant topics. I asked if a word applied in a particular scenario. The response was basically, "I don't like the person in your scenario!" Sigh.
wadatahmydamie
Wow, I didn’t know you people still used “SJW.” Gonna talk about Gamergate now?
InfocalypseRising
This is me finding out that Drew Barrymore has a talk show.
Unclescam
Samesies
anunexpectedgourney
Lmao same bruh. She's got funny enough movies but a talk show? Is Adam Sandler gonna on every night?
epicurusaquinas
That's exactly why she's doing it. Some people believe "any press is good press" and they don't actually have any ethical or moral values. Even if you develop some unique values, then at least they exist and there's a line you've decided you won't cross. Then you have SOME chance of character. Some people have no fixed values or "compass" to making decisions and that's really sad. What do I plan to do? I refuse to even look up her Wikipedia or Google this fucker. She won't get clicks from me!
SirJamesMonster42
You didn't miss anything. I've had to endure a few episodes and...just don't bother. Spend your time better...like picking your nose would be more rewarding.
Someshithead241
Almost like it makes good publicity.
asm80dfa8sdfj
It regularly plays in my area. It's not great.
CatEyebrows
And it’s as insipid and dumb as you might imagine. I sat through 20 minutes of it then realized how stupid America has become
Elonth
yes lets generalize an entire nation based on one persons vapid podcast. This clearly is the intellectual thing to do.
epicurusaquinas
Wow. Seriously all 360 million of us must defend every 1 of us? Although I will defend America (the concept), I do not defend each individual American and every action they do. Now THAT would be insipid and dumb!!
CatEyebrows
CheezitBaron
I can't say I know the difference between Drew, Candace Cameron, and Kelly Clarkson's talk shows from what I've seen.
TheM1ck
This is me finding out Candace Cameron has a talk show.
flirtychic75
I'm proud of you. Keep up the good work.
nonickname23
It picked up steam when Ellen 'retired.'
bardman135
Mmmm...steamy scab...
DeadeicPrints
Oh man, you mean "don't look me in the fucking eyes and I'm gonna throw a script I hate at you" Ellen?
nonickname23
Sounds right.
InfocalypseRising
Jeez. Is that something she allegedly did? I saw the reports that she was a monster but I didn’t read into details
Godryc
This is me finding out that Drew Barrymore is a conservative.
jayman0123
i mean, some conservatives jack off their boyfriends in a playhouse watching beetlejuice, and some conservatives dance on a desk and flash a talk show host their tits. to each their own i guess...
leperoutcastunclean
After her very liberal childhood, I can understand why she might be.
kyro
Being rich converts most.
FiftyShadesOfBroccoli
Studies suggest that increasing wealth lowers empathy and compassion, so you're probably right. People love to pull up that ladder behind themselves. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/ See also:
TheRealLouzander
That chart is interesting, but it doesn’t demonstrate that wealth diminishes empathy; it indicates a correlation which may or may not reflect causation. (Which you probably already knew but…I’ve gotta practice using my critical capacities or they’ll rot.
TheRealLouzander
Actually, the studies (at least as they were described in the article) really didn’t establish a causal relationship. Some of those experiments seemed to make a lot of unwarranted assumptions. (I still think there’s something there it just needs more research)
Davidnfilms
Well to be fair, shes not acting or writing so shows like that can come back. Conan did this, he grew a beard and played rockband.
BurlRavenscroft
allll the talk shows came back. it felt like more of a corporate mandate and everyone on the air supported the strikers. Everyone on staff was gonna get fired if they didn't come back. I don't know why this situation now is different. Maybe it's because they're non-instituational shows for homebodies and not a group coming back?
randomwalrus
Aye, but she is an actor (maybe writer) so in at least one of the unions striking. And is choosing to not strike, but go against the strike.
zerovanity59
The talk show contract is not being struck. It is a different contract and not currently under dispute.
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Conan accepted all of the demands and used his show to support the strike.
ELKronos
No, he didn't. He lacked the ability to accept the demands. During the last writers strike Letterman owned his own production company which also produced Ferguson's show. He gave writers online residuals and they gave his studio an exemption to resume production. All the other late night hosts (Leno, Stewart, Colbert, and yes even Conan) were scabs. Conan made pleas to give the writers more. He even paid salaries for 75 people out of his pocket. Still a scab though.
Imalwaysready
Except that he wasn't *technically* a scab as a scab is an outsider who is recruited to REPLACE a striking worker. It's not just any other tangential worker who keeps working. You can say he was disloyal or that he undercut their efforts (though, I think most agree showing what a show WITHOUT writers looked like did more FOR their message than against). You can say he's a scumbag or asshole. But he wasn't, in the strictest of senses, a scab.
justworkdamnyou
ELKronos
I understand you like Conan so you're looking to incorrectly change the definition of scab to suit your needs, but the reality is a scab is: "a term for a strikebreaker, a person who works despite strike action or against the will of other employees"
coderay
Union striking = cancel culture? Huh?
cbale2000
Look, Fox News is Boomer conservatism, just ignore them.
putcleverusernamehere
Wrong. Every one of these red voters thinks Fox is the bomb:
cbale2000
The MEDIAN age of the Fox News viewer is 65. Conservatives under 50 are largely not watching them, opting instead for online media like Daily Wire and such.
Munchman347
Rep-Con fascists, 'Anything that threatens the profits of our "Donors" (prounounced Duh-Owners), is "Woke, socialist, grooming or cancel culture!' not /s
CampbellsChunkyCyst
'Cancel culture' is a blinking red light that lets you know that there's a bad faith argument at play.
wadatahmydamie
They may as well call it “critical race theory.”
TheWombatStrikesAgain
cancel culture = consequences
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
Fox uses any fear mongering trigger word available to make their insecure followers click and get angry and then click more and watch more. “Hollywood” “cancel culture” “woke” “immigrant” “Hunter Biden” “Hillary” “liberal” “far left” “democrat”….scroll down their site and it’s comical. The comments sections for articles are worse than you can imagine too.
IOftenDeleteCommentsCauseISuckAtTyping
Oops! All dog whistles
putcleverusernamehere
Yes, because fascists don't like unions
InfocalypseRising
First rule of being a right wing shitbag: words don’t have to mean stuff, they just have to make the right people angry
anotherdickat
https://imgur.com/WMPkZkU.png Correct!
Ankylosaur
It was either that or "woke"
elicansmile
Fox
Rodenbeard
I heard it was also COMMUNISM and WOKE, not to mention (insert meaningless buzzword here)
waspentalive
They use 'woke' correctly. It basically means to care for those less fortunate than yourself. To them, that is a sign of weakness. And forcing them to do it is Socailizem (a code word for Communism)
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
Once you've attained power dependent on the labor of your staff, I imagine that's how it starts to look to you.
PinkyTheUnicorn2
They’re running out of runway for “class war”
TooRexyForMyShirt
That's the neat part - "cancel culture" can mean whatever idiots want it to mean, as long as it's not the actual definition.
olivertheoctopus
Don’t be so woke! (/s for the kids in the back)
Rodenbeard
Just like "woke", "socialist", "communist" etc. It's just a manchurian candidate trigger phrase to tell the viewers that something is bad and they should be angry about it
johndoejersey05
nclu
Told a MAGA today that having first-past-the-post voting is a huge barrier to supporting a true multi-party system and drives a lot of the 2 party system. MAGA response: "I think with the huge tech leap of the past 20 years and what is to come that it is much harder to brainwash people, which is probably the reason the left is so focused on kids now." like, yo. wft?
youcouldbedrinkingwholeifyouwantedto
...said the brainwashed person
casualgenderquestion2718
that makes total sense if you follow these instructions:
1) lobotomy
2) ???
3) profit
SleepyKitten
Just like religion!
d3jake
They've devolved into keywords they've taught their followers to understand is scary so they can throw them out.
AnalFistingPornstarLegendWolverine
Newspeak progressing along nicely.
seannikiforuk
Pfft...so woke
Shaodyn
For a lot of people, "cancel culture" means "anyone telling me what to do".
Shaodyn
Problem is, sometimes people tell you what to do for a reason. If someone says "Don't touch this hot stove," they're not saying it because hot stoves are secretly awesome.
J3lek
Take for example how some people replied to "wear a mask over your nose and mouth and avoid crowds to slow the spread of COVID"
Shaodyn
Exactly. Anti-maskers acted like the evil government wanted to outlaw fun.
Shaodyn
This is what happens when a society values individual freedom over personal responsibility.