Reminds me of a story that happened to me. Once I removed a poisonous bush in my garden although it was not allowed. Then I got a tremendous bill. End of story.
If it was the city then it's likely they are having to enforce a rule because a neighbor complained. In my experience, public sector employees DGAF about this kinda stuff unless a resident (usually an annoying neighbor) calls them out to take action on something...and at that point they are required to do their job by the book.
Same, policies regarding exterior maintenance where I live are enforced by the city directly and we have gotten notices threatening possible fines from the city over lawn mowing. I fucking hate lawns.
Every couple of years some asshole tries to form an HOA in my neighborhood... I am always happy to elaborate in great detail the many and varied ways in which they can go fuck themselves.
I've never heard of a city sending a letter for something like that, for an obviously not abandoned in good shape vehicle I mean. That's more up an HOAs alley. Also, fuck HOAs, never buy a house in one.
Apparently that is getting harder to do. Developers are getting preferred permission to build from local authorities due to the inclusion of HOAs for all newly built residences. This means the local government doesn't have to pay for stuff like rubbish removal and public space maintenance.
City I used to live in did, I let the plates expire on a vehicle that had no rust, looked better than half the vehicles on the block, was by the house.. away from the street, got a letter and fine from the city for an abandoned vehicle on my lot
My City Council wants so badly to be the HOA for all of us. I totally see them doing that. Passed a law saying cars without valid registration had to be trapped or I get a ticket. They claimed it was for junkers looking unsightly. Started ticketing anyone whose plates lapsed a day or two. They don't have the authority for ticketing for no registration so they ticket for no tarp.
I think my city has some kind of "no boats in driveway" rule or something (grain of salt). Personally I don't care if you have a boat on your property as long as it doesn't extend out into the street and block it. Otherwise I don't care.
Good work. To anyone thinking about it - don't buy a boat, unless you want to continually throw money at something to rarely use and will never increase in value. Absolute moneypits.
Depends. I have a pontoon boat that goes in the lake in spring, comes out in fall. Annual costs are maybe a couple hundred for gas and about $50 for oil and filter that I change myself. Store under a tarp in my camp driveway for the winter. And it’s great fun for tubing and hanging on the water.
Yeah, not owning my dock and choosing to store indoors are pretty much all I spend money on for mine, outside of minor maintenance and a couple dozen gallons of fuel
I assume this is for this style of boat. I've always wanted one of those bass boats that are just an aluminum tub and a motor. Or a nice canoe. Something to enable water access, but not so much as to be a maintenance nightmare.
I’ve got a 24’ pontoon boat at a dock on a local lake, which we get out on 12-15 weekends between Memorial Day and Columbus Day. We tow tubes and cruise, but spend most of the time on the water at anchor so the engine hours stay low, meaning maintenance (already significantly lower than an inboard v-hull) and fuel costs are relatively about as low as they get. Other family members (father, brother) are also boat-licensed and take the boat out a few times a year, and…
Even with this pretty much being a best case scenario for low costs and good usage, averaging out our virtual ‘cost per trip’ once you include storage and dock fees still ends in hundreds per outing.
But my kids learned to swim off the boat at a sand bar, will spend hours doing cannonballs or exploring shoreline then napping in the sun, and there’s nothing quite like a cocktail with the mirror of sunset turning the whole world crimson violet and orange, so hell if I don’t gladly pay it.
Nah man, that’s the surfing boats dragging feet of wake close to shore, or the cigarette boats burning gallons a minute that you can hear from miles away. If you think a pontoon spending 95% of its time at anchor is ‘ruining a lake’ you probably are mistaking true lakes for ponds, legitimately oppose all ICE’s, or you are a troll with a huge dump in their pants. In any case,
you sound like you have a thing against families, are you sure you arent the cranky old coot that yells at everyone from his boat cause you think you are better than everyone else and they should be keeping their"damn savage lil brats on a leash" and everyone hates you when you show up cause your such a nosey asshole and hates everyone on the lake having their fun
Oh, an I wouldn't use a boat on a lake, because that's a real cunty thing to do for the wildlife. But you know, you do you. Have fun at the expense of everything else. Makes you a real class act.
love the malicious compliance. what i just cant seem to understand is why they would insist on a fence to block the view of a boat. that makes no sense to me
You are thinking about the black ball thing. Clubs used to have anonymous ball votes for allowing new members. All it took was one single black ball vote to stop an unwanted person getting in the club/organization.
There’s a whole cottage industry that has popped up to manage HOAs. As most HOA boards are elected job holders, most HOAs contract out companies for facility management and compliance. These management groups usually have an enforcement notification quota and also get a piece of every fine paid. So, like everything else bad in America, your answer is greed.
People leave boats that haven't run for years in their driveways, imo it's you're driveway do what you want but it can make a neighborhood look like a trailer park. My neighbor runs his extremely loud boat in his driveway for a couple hours every week or so and it sounds like 45 lawn mowers in my house. I work from home and it's beyond obnoxious finding somewhere I can hear my meetings. It's his house I honestly have never complained, do what you want on your property.
Dont get me wrong, running the boat on land is obnoxious; those are made for water and the way that water dampens sound. But idk, to me seeing boats(even kinda run down ones) is a sign of wealth. Like "Oh look what I can spend money on". I could see an argument about it being tawdry, but as I have learned in the last 5 years, outwardly flaunting wealth like a french noble in 1788 is "socially inspiring" for we commoners.
I think it depends on the boat and how close to waterways the place is. Like a small fishing boat in a fishing town doesn't show wealth to me, like a forklift in a factory. Neither does a little old tin boat in a small wilderness town. But a hobby fishing boat in a town with no lake? Or a speedboat anywhere is definately flaunting wealth.
I think the wealth part comes from the maintenance, access to water/travel expenses for leisure activities. Buying a speedboat might not be that expensive but storing it in or out of the water, traveling to the water, taking it in and out of the water and maintenance really adds up. I have family members with boats like that and all consider then a hole in which they throw thier money.
Boats are floating rooms of various sizes, so owning a boat is like owning an apartment that you can drive around but only on water. It’s a tiny second home that you may or may not be able to live in. So yeah, I agree with the wealth thing. Also, whenever I drive past lake side mansions I for sure feel socially inspired to redistribute the wealth to the masses.
Should you be able to store broken down cars on your front lawn? Should you have to maintain sheds so they aren't falling apart? Can you store open feed corn in your driveway that attracts rats to the neighborhood? Cities have ordinances to make sure your property isn't causing a nuisance. You want to store your boat in your driveway? Move to a city that doesn't have such an ordinance. Most rural areas let you do whatever you want on your property. This isn't an "America" rule; it's his city.
"You are making me get a COVID SHOT? MUHHHHHH FREEEDOMS, Americans really have 0 rights left". That's what you sound like.
It is NOT the end of personal freedom to have ordinances surrounding a citizen's property, and not unique to Americans. If you allow people to store boats on their property, you can't really regulate their condition. And you have to allow other personal recreational vehicles, like campers and RVs. Certain cities, especially urban areas, want to regulate that.
And states or the federal government could ban the overstep in regulating personal properties, especially when the justification is "eyesore".
But the states and federal government DO NOT prevent citizens from having their rights stripped away from them, BECAUSE fuckheads with zero braincells think that "Move to your ideal feudal territory" is a rational defense to "Americans don't seem to have much liberty."
It depends where you live, in places with high boat ownership it's considered trashy to store your boat in a driveway and city codes reflect this, it's easier to ban all boats than monitor the derelict rust buckets that become an eyesore. You're supposed to have enough land to store it out of sight, a big garage to store it in, pay for storage at a boatyard, or keep in the boat house of your summer mansion. https://www.neighbor.com/storage-blog/can-i-park-my-boat-in-my-driveway-state-by-state/
It's all part of the suburban zoning trap too. Not allowed to build, buy, live in an apartment or condo to pool resources for land. Nope. You are required to consume a larger area, and furthermore, you are not allowed to utilize that space for anything other than presenting an aesthetic facade to your neighbors who need constant reassurance that they made it into a nice neighborhood
This can easily happen in places without a HOA. I've been ticketed for having my RV in my driveway longer than 48 hours. Not by the HOA, who has nothing against it, but by the city, who have an ordinance against it.
Yes - or people like me who would love to let out of town guests crash in my camper in my driveway for a weekend, but can't. They have a separate ordinance specifically saying people can't spend the night in an RV parked in a driveway.
CrashDummy1963
That! is fuckin AWESOME!
Schism666
Reminds me of a story that happened to me. Once I removed a poisonous bush in my garden although it was not allowed. Then I got a tremendous bill. End of story.
nunyabidness99
One of mankind most malicious and petty entities is a low level bureaucrat.
owowowcrampcrampcramp
You just gotta keep your boat/trailer/RV, etc behind a 6’ gate, that’s all.. it’s really not a big deal…
Gryphonosiris
I like the cut of your jib!
RummageSaleBubbler
I'd walk right into that, like Wile E. Coyote.
wambu
I like the cut of his jib.
toolzgalore2
Fantastic, I love it! Fuck HOAs
GhostBear3067
Not even an HOA, the city appearantly.
MoonPieTown
If it was the city then it's likely they are having to enforce a rule because a neighbor complained. In my experience, public sector employees DGAF about this kinda stuff unless a resident (usually an annoying neighbor) calls them out to take action on something...and at that point they are required to do their job by the book.
GhostBear3067
Same, policies regarding exterior maintenance where I live are enforced by the city directly and we have gotten notices threatening possible fines from the city over lawn mowing. I fucking hate lawns.
SterlingArcherSecretAgent
This is he level of petty I strive to some day achieve, at least when it comes to hateful arrogant stuff like HOAs etc.
SirSmurfalot
Every couple of years some asshole tries to form an HOA in my neighborhood... I am always happy to elaborate in great detail the many and varied ways in which they can go fuck themselves.
HighMagosSquidward
Honestly the hand painting is pretty impressive
AnsysGuru
Without rules chaos reigns supreme.
DeadWhiteMale
Why is it that a boat has to be blocked from view but not a house?
Ximinipot
I've never heard of a city sending a letter for something like that, for an obviously not abandoned in good shape vehicle I mean. That's more up an HOAs alley. Also, fuck HOAs, never buy a house in one.
Emuc64
Didn't want a HOA. Had to buy an expensive, older, fixer-upper, but hey, no HOA.
SirBarnabusMontesforteWinsomTheThird
Apparently that is getting harder to do. Developers are getting preferred permission to build from local authorities due to the inclusion of HOAs for all newly built residences. This means the local government doesn't have to pay for stuff like rubbish removal and public space maintenance.
evenlessoriginalthanthat
City I used to live in did, I let the plates expire on a vehicle that had no rust, looked better than half the vehicles on the block, was by the house.. away from the street, got a letter and fine from the city for an abandoned vehicle on my lot
Itslukus
Hoa are for people that don't get shit better to do in their lives and so they ruin everyone else's.
SkamanSam
In my hometown, you would get a letter from the city if anyone complained about your yard. If you got more than 3 complaints, they fined you.
AawesomeAardvaark
Not possible some places. Something like 85% of new homes being built are in HOAs so it's going to get very difficult to avoid.
MoistOwlette23
My City Council wants so badly to be the HOA for all of us. I totally see them doing that. Passed a law saying cars without valid registration had to be trapped or I get a ticket. They claimed it was for junkers looking unsightly. Started ticketing anyone whose plates lapsed a day or two. They don't have the authority for ticketing for no registration so they ticket for no tarp.
yrypics
I live in a city that has rules about where you can park things like boats. Definitely not just an HOA thing.
nachosyndicate
Ok. Thats freakin awesome 😎
EVILtheKAT
Didn’t I just see this 2 posts ago?
Mumalot
yes, fences DO require several posts to erect properly.
ImgurNeedsMoreSmartass
I'm sure someone will take a fence at that
prosper020
ChloeRed
This is a comment on a solid post.
guitarfourtysix
I didn't get the joke, until I searched a couple links
ChloeRed
Is it turning into a bit of a chain?
DarwinsWeasel
Make the offender sit uncomfortably on the fence because "fuck em"!
TwiceK
Rosenaa
Me like a lot !
vote4mclovin
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CoachMcgurl
I think my city has some kind of "no boats in driveway" rule or something (grain of salt). Personally I don't care if you have a boat on your property as long as it doesn't extend out into the street and block it. Otherwise I don't care.
SomeUser2
If there is no ruling against painting the fence this is a definite win in my book.
cosonfused
outstanding move
BrokenAnimal
This is brilliant!
VodkaReindeer
Nice job, Tom.
MRDOne
Oh, you two are so nautical.
austinwizardforhire
This makes zero fence.
georgejimmydoodle
Malicious compliance is best compliance.
EdmundandHarald365
Good work. To anyone thinking about it - don't buy a boat, unless you want to continually throw money at something to rarely use and will never increase in value. Absolute moneypits.
stevencloser
Sounds like most things.
knoxgaWrecker
My boat hasn't cost me anything in 3 years... anyone want to purchase a boat? Runs great in the driveway, not so much under load. Hahahaa
Wolfschwarzmond
BOAT= Bust Out Another Thousand.
bingotown
Depends. I have a pontoon boat that goes in the lake in spring, comes out in fall. Annual costs are maybe a couple hundred for gas and about $50 for oil and filter that I change myself. Store under a tarp in my camp driveway for the winter. And it’s great fun for tubing and hanging on the water.
malooooone
Yeah, not owning my dock and choosing to store indoors are pretty much all I spend money on for mine, outside of minor maintenance and a couple dozen gallons of fuel
tesseract4d2
I assume this is for this style of boat. I've always wanted one of those bass boats that are just an aluminum tub and a motor. Or a nice canoe. Something to enable water access, but not so much as to be a maintenance nightmare.
ChloeRed
Boat: hole in the water into which you throw money. House: hole in the ground into which you through money, etc...
EdmundandHarald365
Houses increase in value. Boats rot and drop in value.
ChloeRed
Houses increase in value if you throw money into their maintenance/upgrades. they are still a hole you throw money into.
EdmundandHarald365
Nope, they will increase in value with no input as well. It's one reason why there's a housing crisis.
ChloeRed
Notice I never mentioned value, just what you need to them.
SpotlightStealer
Maybe if you manage to use it constantly and live near enough the water
ilasid
A boat is a hole in the water that you throw money into!
hipifreq
Entirely depends on the boat. I love sailing mine and it doesn't cost much on a trailer and only a tiny outboard
ThrowAwayAcct0000
A boat is just a hole in the water you throw money into.
guitarfourtysix
They say the two happiest days in a boat owner's life are the day he buys the boat, and the day he sells it.
TankTrain
The two best days of having a boat is the day you buy it, and the day you sell it.
FuzzyX
And what about the day you catch some nice fish?
JCBalance
Third best
TA2019
And what about the day you take it out with the lady friend to have sex in the middle of the ocean?
TankTrain
Best episode of Baywatch ever.
JCBalance
...fourth best
malooooone
I’ve got a 24’ pontoon boat at a dock on a local lake, which we get out on 12-15 weekends between Memorial Day and Columbus Day. We tow tubes and cruise, but spend most of the time on the water at anchor so the engine hours stay low, meaning maintenance (already significantly lower than an inboard v-hull) and fuel costs are relatively about as low as they get. Other family members (father, brother) are also boat-licensed and take the boat out a few times a year, and…
malooooone
Even with this pretty much being a best case scenario for low costs and good usage, averaging out our virtual ‘cost per trip’ once you include storage and dock fees still ends in hundreds per outing.
But my kids learned to swim off the boat at a sand bar, will spend hours doing cannonballs or exploring shoreline then napping in the sun, and there’s nothing quite like a cocktail with the mirror of sunset turning the whole world crimson violet and orange, so hell if I don’t gladly pay it.
EdmundandHarald365
You sound like the sort of boat owner that everyone hates and ruins the lake.
malooooone
Nah man, that’s the surfing boats dragging feet of wake close to shore, or the cigarette boats burning gallons a minute that you can hear from miles away. If you think a pontoon spending 95% of its time at anchor is ‘ruining a lake’ you probably are mistaking true lakes for ponds, legitimately oppose all ICE’s, or you are a troll with a huge dump in their pants. In any case,
psugab
Because they use their boat?
bingotown
What?
LumpPump
you sound like you have a thing against families, are you sure you arent the cranky old coot that yells at everyone from his boat cause you think you are better than everyone else and they should be keeping their"damn savage lil brats on a leash" and everyone hates you when you show up cause your such a nosey asshole and hates everyone on the lake having their fun
EdmundandHarald365
Oh, an I wouldn't use a boat on a lake, because that's a real cunty thing to do for the wildlife. But you know, you do you. Have fun at the expense of everything else. Makes you a real class act.
malooooone
Nah, dingbat just wants to pot stir and is confusing the <25 acre puddle next to all of his ‘appreciating investments’ with a lake
EdmundandHarald365
No, and I wouldn't own a boat, as previously mentioned. Please learn to read.
Redyls
love the malicious compliance. what i just cant seem to understand is why they would insist on a fence to block the view of a boat. that makes no sense to me
SpaceHaggis
Some debbie downer neighbor complaing no doubt
jasperin
- first time hearing 'malicious compliance' - I like and thanks!
BryanTenn
It's all about the rules of the HOA/Community (meant to protect the all important property values).
lljkstonefish
Indirectly, yes. More directly, they were invented to keep the negroes out. Just in case anyone's forgotten.
BryanTenn
You are thinking about the black ball thing. Clubs used to have anonymous ball votes for allowing new members. All it took was one single black ball vote to stop an unwanted person getting in the club/organization.
lljkstonefish
Why would I be thinking about that?
BryanTenn
Ok then... how would a racist HOA be able to keep a black family out? As long as they sign the HOA agreement and pay the dues, what can the HOA do?
Tumescentpie
Fascists gonna fascist
Kingloki6
There’s a whole cottage industry that has popped up to manage HOAs. As most HOA boards are elected job holders, most HOAs contract out companies for facility management and compliance. These management groups usually have an enforcement notification quota and also get a piece of every fine paid. So, like everything else bad in America, your answer is greed.
applesforjuice
People leave boats that haven't run for years in their driveways, imo it's you're driveway do what you want but it can make a neighborhood look like a trailer park. My neighbor runs his extremely loud boat in his driveway for a couple hours every week or so and it sounds like 45 lawn mowers in my house. I work from home and it's beyond obnoxious finding somewhere I can hear my meetings. It's his house I honestly have never complained, do what you want on your property.
NachoIskerka
Dont get me wrong, running the boat on land is obnoxious; those are made for water and the way that water dampens sound. But idk, to me seeing boats(even kinda run down ones) is a sign of wealth. Like "Oh look what I can spend money on". I could see an argument about it being tawdry, but as I have learned in the last 5 years, outwardly flaunting wealth like a french noble in 1788 is "socially inspiring" for we commoners.
Spidermonkey969696
I think it depends on the boat and how close to waterways the place is. Like a small fishing boat in a fishing town doesn't show wealth to me, like a forklift in a factory. Neither does a little old tin boat in a small wilderness town. But a hobby fishing boat in a town with no lake? Or a speedboat anywhere is definately flaunting wealth.
rudejohn
You can buy a speedboat (skiing/fishing) for under $4,000. That's cheaper than a used Ford Focus. It is NOT necessarily a sign of wealth at all.
Spidermonkey969696
I think the wealth part comes from the maintenance, access to water/travel expenses for leisure activities. Buying a speedboat might not be that expensive but storing it in or out of the water, traveling to the water, taking it in and out of the water and maintenance really adds up. I have family members with boats like that and all consider then a hole in which they throw thier money.
prosper020
Boats are floating rooms of various sizes, so owning a boat is like owning an apartment that you can drive around but only on water. It’s a tiny second home that you may or may not be able to live in. So yeah, I agree with the wealth thing. Also, whenever I drive past lake side mansions I for sure feel socially inspired to redistribute the wealth to the masses.
catsandbuttslol
I like the way you think.
WilliamHuskerAdama
Americans really have 0 rights left. Cant even store your own boat on your own property without being forced to erect a fence?
NineByNine
hurhurhuhr.. you said erect =w=
Gayforbae
Yeah that really makes us no different than north Korea...
rudejohn
Should you be able to store broken down cars on your front lawn? Should you have to maintain sheds so they aren't falling apart? Can you store open feed corn in your driveway that attracts rats to the neighborhood? Cities have ordinances to make sure your property isn't causing a nuisance. You want to store your boat in your driveway? Move to a city that doesn't have such an ordinance. Most rural areas let you do whatever you want on your property. This isn't an "America" rule; it's his city.
WilliamHuskerAdama
"I think abortion should be legal." "Oh yeah? You think shooting toddlers is fine?"
That's what you sound like.
rudejohn
"You are making me get a COVID SHOT? MUHHHHHH FREEEDOMS, Americans really have 0 rights left". That's what you sound like.
It is NOT the end of personal freedom to have ordinances surrounding a citizen's property, and not unique to Americans. If you allow people to store boats on their property, you can't really regulate their condition. And you have to allow other personal recreational vehicles, like campers and RVs. Certain cities, especially urban areas, want to regulate that.
WilliamHuskerAdama
How is the fence regulating the condition of the boat?
TheGek0h
And states or the federal government could ban the overstep in regulating personal properties, especially when the justification is "eyesore".
But the states and federal government DO NOT prevent citizens from having their rights stripped away from them, BECAUSE fuckheads with zero braincells think that "Move to your ideal feudal territory" is a rational defense to "Americans don't seem to have much liberty."
marthafarquar
It depends where you live, in places with high boat ownership it's considered trashy to store your boat in a driveway and city codes reflect this, it's easier to ban all boats than monitor the derelict rust buckets that become an eyesore. You're supposed to have enough land to store it out of sight, a big garage to store it in, pay for storage at a boatyard, or keep in the boat house of your summer mansion. https://www.neighbor.com/storage-blog/can-i-park-my-boat-in-my-driveway-state-by-state/
Malinut
Ah yes, "Land of the Free'.
irrelevantcriticism
HOA says 'no way!'
hashbaz
I get it but I also don't give a shit, it's my property, if I want an eyesore on it I should be able to have one.
RedFlameGamer
It's considered trashy to store a vehicle on your own property, on a driveway that was built to accomodate vehicles?
America is the land of the loonies I swear to it.
nclu
It's all part of the suburban zoning trap too. Not allowed to build, buy, live in an apartment or condo to pool resources for land. Nope. You are required to consume a larger area, and furthermore, you are not allowed to utilize that space for anything other than presenting an aesthetic facade to your neighbors who need constant reassurance that they made it into a nice neighborhood
stoutde
HOA gonna HOA. Most of what mine does makes no sense...
rudejohn
This can easily happen in places without a HOA. I've been ticketed for having my RV in my driveway longer than 48 hours. Not by the HOA, who has nothing against it, but by the city, who have an ordinance against it.
StellarJay77
I guarantee it's an ordinance meant to punish homeless people.
rudejohn
Yes - or people like me who would love to let out of town guests crash in my camper in my driveway for a weekend, but can't. They have a separate ordinance specifically saying people can't spend the night in an RV parked in a driveway.