CountryGuyMike
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Okay, So I have a question about Ram. It's been a while since I've looked up and messed with my computer since I've built it like 15 years ago lol.
I'm currently running (Corsair, Vengeance, DDR3, 12GB (3x4GB), CMZ12GX3M3A1600C9, 9-9-9-24, 1.5V) But the Version is 5.12
Now I've found the same (Corsair, Vengeance, DDR3, 12GB (3x4GB), CMZ12GX3M3A1600C9, 9-9-9-24, 1.5V) below on Ebay but the Version is 2.12..
My Motherboard is a old EVGA X-58 Classified 3 which can hold up to a total of 24GB. My goal is it add another 12GB to give me more headroom in my memory since A lot of programs and games I'm using tend to cap my memory usage at 80%+ which from my understanding isn't good.
I really don't have the cash to buy anything atm. But It's a purchase I'm going to need to do sooner or later when I find the cash. I'm trying to use my PC to find work online.
My Question is will I have an issue using 2 different Version numbers 5.12 and 2.12 in tandom or will I need to make sure they are the same version?
:) Thanks for the help.
CacheRAM
Either your board will slow the new RAM to match the old, or not, but it will be fine.
DUAL CHANNEL: If possible, put the fastest RAM in channel 0, and keep the same types together. The system uses lower RAM first, faster is better.
DammitCarlYouCantEvenSee
CountryGuyMike
2010-11 xD , I furture proofed this rig when I 1st built it 15 years ago. It's just now showing it's age. I'm just trying to patchwork it to survive till my life turns around. Things aren't going well financially. it's all I can do for now.
weedeewee
To answer your question: No. It is unlikely that you will have problems running two different versions which have all the same specs.
lastmanonearthbutidroppedmyglasses
My guess is it will probably be fine, unless you’re doing some very extreme computing (not gaming). If anything, you’ll have a problem because of the old version, not necessarily because of the version mismatch.
Maybe check with Corsair and see if there’s a firmware update utility that you can use.
CountryGuyMike
Thanks, I'll do that! :) Ram is always so tricky!
Ilikestyx
Only something like RGB RAM would have firmware. According to Corsair the version numbers just relate to the brand or memory chips they use. Version 5.xx is Hynix
CountryGuyMike
This is my DIMM Slots on my Motherboard btw.. I'm using 12GB 3 sticks in Slot 1,3,5 currently.
SqueezitTheClown
Skulltrail. That’s a throwback for sure.
Ilikestyx
Put the one set in red and the other set in black.
Ilikestyx
It should be fine, the version number relates to the ICs (RAM chips) they use. The model is identical, timings are identical, the speeds are identical.. it's "the same" and should work fine. Enable XMP and you should be all set.
CountryGuyMike
lol, Ram is so tricky, I can put a CPU in . np, Pull in a full custom waterloop, np. RAM Scares the heck out of my! Guess the only way to know is to bite the bullet and try. I'll have to find the cash 1st. Thanks!
crapybarra
Not the ans to your question (it looks like it's been answered pretty well) but at this point I'd just buy 4x8GB. They'll be quad channel and you'll get better performance. You'll also need to confirm your cpu can run 8 sticks of RAM. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/memory/cmw32gx4m4c3200c16/vengeancea-rgb-pro-32gb-4-x-8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-a-black-cmw32gx4m4c3200c16?srsltid=AfmBOor6Fsz9ZwVzZ1IP5orsQq_LaUaL2MMGSdW1Yab6Z1uliH_XOLb2
CountryGuyMike
I can't use 8GB sticks, my Motherboard only allows 4 GB cap per slot. :(
crapybarra
Ah you're at 3 sticks right now & want to run another 3 sticks? Ok i thought you wanred a 4+4. I'd still recommend a 4x32GB & go that route if able. Otherwise two 2x4GB is ok so long as you pair versions. Whats your CPU anyway? & what are you running that's eating up so much RAM? I went from 32GB to 64GB only bc i started running vnet sims, otherwise even with my video editing and gamings rarely pop over 16GB. Are you actually maxing out RAM or is your comp just slow? What kind of drive?
ILikePrettyColours
different versions have different ICs - so whether they play nice depends on the chips/the board/timings/voltage/even cpu and so on. As unhelpful as it is - during my time I've had most mismatches be either perfectly fine or have no noticeable issues, some that required some timing or voltage bumps and a few that flat out refused to play along. Mixing versions is officially down as 'not recommended'. So I'm afraid it's a bit of a gamble
CountryGuyMike
That seems to be the overall thought on the subject. Either I get lucky and they work or they don't lol. I was wondering if mebbe if I could find a nother 3 sicks of the same version 5.12 I'm currently using if that would mebbe mitigate some of the risk. But finding that exact version in a 12GB (3x4GB) form is proving tough. I looked up trying to find a full package of 24GB (6x4GB) Pack ensuring they were the same but its so pricey! :(
ILikePrettyColours
Yup. I know it's not much help unfortunately. Also to add to the issue, as far as I can tell your kit isn't even on the QVL for the x58 boards. Which muddies things even more. While the qvl isn't exhaustive it does help to know its been tested and found to work properly with the board, especially when you need to oc to get the 1600 anyway and you want to populate all slots.
CountryGuyMike
Well my X-58 Classified 3 was at the time one of the worlds best overclocking boards in the world. lol KingPin over at EVGA broke a world record with it. I've got my timings for the 12GB in the bios already set to ..Memory Frequency - 1600Mhz/2:12
+CL 9
+RCD 9
+RP 9
+RAS 24
+RFC 88
Command Rate 2T
Voltage Control
CPU VTT +100
DIMM Voltage 1.5
CountryGuyMike
I've never had issues with this board over all these years I've had it, I'm sure the old girl can take it! lol Just need to find the cash.
ILikePrettyColours
Well the board does have evgas auto oc stuff. Usually frowned upon because they're not as efficient but the sloppiness can be useful if you're pushing the boards ram handling. Plus i had a msi board auto oc an extra 30% on the cpu full time for 8 years, never skipped a beat. Though you should also really consider whether it's worth it. tech that old is really falling behind now, might be better putting it toward a new machine (unless its super cheap)
Corrodias
As long as you're not trying to use two different modules like that as a pair in dual-channel mode, generally it will work just fine. And since these are so similar, it is practically inconceivable that you'll encounter any problems. You just need the voltage and timings set to values compatible with both types of modules, which in this case should be identical values, so just let XMP/EXPO do its thing.
Clockworkdancerobot
Destktop ram is best using 2 sticks. 4 sticks get complicated. VERY complicated. You need to follow the QVL and mixing? Yeah nah. That's a BIG mess.
Clockworkdancerobot
Source: Years of desktop and server work, and experience on the 1366 platform. I've dealt with machines and trying to get near the max ram. You have to match the QVL because not all ram will be accepted. I have examined the VERY same issue you're talking about.
CountryGuyMike
I have 6 DIMM slots lol, on my EVGA X-58 Classified 3 Motherboard
Clockworkdancerobot
It is the same on both the old 1366 socket as others with only four.
Clockworkdancerobot
Again, I've met this same issue. SOmetimes you get function, but stability is off. sometimes it won't post at all.
travishawkins2199
This seems like a more recent issue, maybe with the high speed of ram now, but it never used to be a problem. His older MB will probably handle 6 sticks fine
Clockworkdancerobot
Yes it CAN. but in order to do so, you MUST follow the QVL. Which in my OWN case of this, was a couple models hard to find if gone altogether. I have more than one socket 1366 motherboards and have dealt with this problem before.
Ilikestyx
I've built thousands of computers and rarely run into memory compatibility issues so while following the QVL is not a bad idea, it is not a 'MUST'.... OP got the identical model of RAM - the version number should mean little to nothing. Same speed, same timings.. likely different brand of RAM chips on the sticks.. that's not too terrible.
Clockworkdancerobot
Again, I've dealt with the VERY same issues with corsair ram, same model, same timings, different version numbers. The memory controller sometimes can handle it, sometimes can't.
ssakm
Version should never matter, nor should manufacturer really- only that the timings (and voltage) all match. That said, you're running pretty old hardware and a triple channel kit? You're going to degrade memory performance somewhat if you don't put another three modules in so check the manual for advice. Whatever you do, don't sink any more money into this - you could replace the CPU, RAM and MOBO for about $250 and almost assuredly double or triple the performance of this old system.
ssakm
For comparison I just built a brand new system with 128GB of memory for ~$360 and I'm pretty sure the R5 5600 I put in it is more than quadruple the power of any CPU that fits in that slot. At some point you start throwing good money after bad, especially when they stop making old parts and the prices start going up.
Corrodias
Paying a crackhead to steal RAM for you doesn't count.
CountryGuyMike
Thanks, But I just don't have the money. Wouldn't be trying to patchwork this old system if I had money to throw around lol.
ssakm
As long as you're getting your RAM for free from somewhere, sure, just don't stretch yourself out on this old system paying a little at a time.
NLOVNI
Keep pairs with the same version and you should be fine. Your MB manual will say which RAM slots are paired but it’s commonly 1-3, 2-4, etc.
NLOVNI
CountryGuyMike
Ya, I'm running tripple channel with my current 12GB of 3 sticks in 1,3,5 ... So, If i was to get another set of 3 sticks with different versions, i can run those in 2,4,6? and be okay?
NLOVNI
I’d say yes
CountryGuyMike
hereforthebewbs
We had consistent issues with X58 boards not being able to run XMP profiles when all slots were filled. Many boards will actually say this in the manual.
If your system has XMP enabled (running at 1600), I would suggest turning that off when adding the additional ram. You can then try enabling XMP to 1600 again if you want, but you may only get it to run at 1333.
I see no issues with putting that kit in slots 2,4,6. The fact they have the same timings at 1.5V is more important in my experience.
CountryGuyMike
To be compeltely honest I'm not even sure I hvae XMP enabled at all in the bios. I think I just set the timings and voltages maunally.. I'll have to check to see if its on or not im using this currently. Memory Frequency - 1600Mhz/2:12
+CL 9
+RCD 9
+RP 9
+RAS 24
+RFC 88
Command Rate 2T
Voltage Control
CPU VTT +100
DIMM Voltage 1.5
hereforthebewbs
You can leave it as is if you want, if it won't post with all 6 sticks, you can guess that is the likely problem.
I would set it ram config to Auto, then confirrm the new ram is posting properly. Run a short memtest for 10-15 min. Then you can change whatever settings you like after you know it works at stock.
XMP is just a factory 'overclock' setting that allows the ram to run at 1600 without you having to manually set anything. It scales your CPU settings with the higher RAM settings.
CountryGuyMike
I'll keep that in mind when it comes time. 1st I gotta find the cash. Thanks for the help! Means a lot!